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Iran, Iraq, Yemen.

Russia still maintains it's bases in Syria and the woke al-Quaida is going to be playing all sides against each other all the time.

The plus side is Russia can dedicate more attention and materiél to the SMO.

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RU this, RU that

simplistic BS

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Says the guy who literally wrote three words.

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grr's avatar

Aggressive bullies don't 'melt away'. They have to be smacked hard and then chased away.

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North Korea has a proven nuclear program, and the US keeps its cotton picking fingers well away, as does Nato and everyone really.

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Gerrard White's avatar

Not China and not Russia

Them SK would like to but they just can not seem to leave well alone

Wonder why

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I like the idea, but Jill is a has been's throw away has been

Trump is onto better bets than poor old retirement home Jill

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Gerrard White's avatar

An un repentant sinner

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Gerrard White's avatar

speaking of ugly ladies check out this new photo of KK no wonder she's been in hiding

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DJT is bluffing when he says he will exit NATO. EU will sustain Ukraine with money . it's not like EU isn't rich. USA only has to send weapons.Syria was strangled under DJT-1

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Trump is heading into another disastrous term withWarp Speed head on. Based on clueless myopic strategy and lack of vision, typical for old school " let's make a deal" Swamp DC creatures.The white house is going to be fully contaminated with Pedo Biden 's feces smeared over the wallls of the oval office, if he ever resided there .

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MR at NATO is the right scam at the right time to let everyone move on

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Carol Jones's avatar

Tisdal's views are always from a MI6 position

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Gerrard White's avatar

a base in Oman is better still, but heck why not all three

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Gerrard White's avatar

This is what MK was saying on Karlofi

The Syria sideshow no longer of any use, time to get on with the large scale

Leave the trap to the ynkeas who love a terror trap

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Gerrard White's avatar

Exactly....never interrupt your enemy....

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Dhdh's avatar

How exactly will these terrorist retards in pickup trucks be a threat to that illegal new state which already took significant Syrian territory?

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Jullianne's avatar

Do you really have to ask that? Afghanistan anyone?

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It's difficult to compare Afghanistan with Syria, though both have been devastated by Usuk.

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Hamas supporting HTS is a good sign.

Turkey now has the opportunity to become the de facto leader of a rebranded “Axis of Resistance”. If Erdogan has the foresight, this should be a strategic goal.

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Dhdh's avatar

While he supplies fuel to that illegal Jew state ?

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

Isn't that what Iran would secretly hope for? It would put Turkey and Iran on the same side in this one case and the fight would become a Turkish problem, not Iran's.

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Dhdh's avatar

That’s nonsensical. The USA invaded Afghanistan. The Jews are bombing all the signing any military bases in Syria right now. And it’s golem the USA is too.

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These terrorist retards are already kissing up to the new state. Same as azov. Joulani and zelensky. Same Jew shite just different assholes.

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@cheetosSpring

I read Joulani just got videoed riding a Harley?! An MTV interview about Joulani's new solo project is going viral on Tik Tok! His image consultants are working overtime-

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Myra's avatar

You are naive to expect these head chopping jihadis, who are bought and paid for by western intelligence, would dare to attack Israel. The Israelis and Americans would bomb them into extinction if they dared attack Israel.

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"willingness to use any means, including support for terrorist organizations"

Terrorism was a British invention. Churchill was the first to target civilian populations with arial bombing campaigns during WWII. Now they use proxies to do their terror work.

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Merandor's avatar

....and other things that never happened.

You need to take less drugs.

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grr's avatar

You need to open your mind. Drugs may help....

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abcdefg's avatar

And Israel invented the car bomb.

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@cheetosSpring

Wall Street bombing, September 16, 1920.

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"At noon, a horse-drawn wagon passed by lunchtime crowds on Wall Street and stopped across the street from the headquarters of the J.P. Morgan & Co. bank at 23 Wall Street, on the Financial District's busiest corner. Inside the wagon, 100 pounds (45 kg) of dynamite with 500 pounds (230 kg) of heavy, cast-iron sash weights exploded in a timer-set detonation,[4]: 77  sending the weights tearing through the air.[5] The horse and wagon were blasted into small fragments, but the driver was seen by witnesses leaving the vehicle and escaping down a side street."

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Dhdh's avatar

And pager bomb

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'terrorism was a brit invention'

Stupidest comment of the day so far....

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Dhdh's avatar

Shut up Jew.

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Second stupidest

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Gerrard White's avatar

from out of the mouths..

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Myra's avatar

Let's stop with the racist comment.

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Dhdh's avatar

Why. What is wrong with racism ? The Jew is the most racist creature in the world. Their holidays celebrate genocide.

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lily357's avatar

Of course its a british invention. Here you have some historic background https://irp.fas.org/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf

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Dhdh's avatar

Also recall the kind david hotel

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Sam Ursu's avatar

um, you mean the place where Lindsay Graham gave that fucked up speech a couple of weeks ago? HMM

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Anonymous's avatar

Menachem Begin, the sixth Prime Minister of Israel and a prominent figure in the Irgun, a Zionist terrorist organization, described himself as the father of terrorism.

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Begin was just being a typical self aggrandizing politician, he wasn't the father of terrorism, not even of the Zionist terrorism in Palestine.

See Avraham Tehomi and Robert Bitker ca. 1936 -1938, they started Irgun's first campaign of terrorist attacks against Palestinian arabs at least 4 years before Begin ever reached Israel.

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The first bomb run on civilian (or present day: dual use targets) was by the Italians (1. November 1911). The ideology on bombing civilians was invented by an Italian general (Giulio Douhet, who was still a major when he wrote his ground breaking book).

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"Terrorism was a British invention."

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NOT EVEN CLOSE. Please at least LOOK at world history before hitting "Reply" button?! Start with "Fenian dynamite campaign" (1861 - 1865), then look at anarchists (with and without state backing) nearly every country of Europe AND in North America, from the 1870's right on through Sarajevo in 1914 and on to the Wall Street bombing of 1920. Or just go on repeating the history you never learned?

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"with arial bombing campaigns during WWII."

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"Arial" is a sans-serif typeface (in the neo-grotesque style). "Aeriel" is stuff related to, well, air!

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kartheek's avatar

Russia isn't an empire though. Ukraine is one more chip to reduce strategic space of Russia and break it up so that it will never be a threat to the empire

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Feral Finster's avatar

The Russian leadership is nowhere near decisive or ruthless enough for Russia to be an empire.

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I actually said russia isn't an empire. Infact USSR/ Russia are a peaceful country. I worry for china too.If only USSR has bombed Pakistan ( asking help from India also) , for providing sanctuary, and Saudi Arabia for issuing fatwas,to stone age ,things would be different

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The US Empire will not simply let Russia be, either.

As far as the US is concerned, you have two and only two choices - submit word, deed and ass, or be crushed.

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"Washington, London, and their allies are not merely fighting to maintain control over West Asia; they are striving to 'maintain' their dominance on the global stage. "

There...fixed it for ya.

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It was Al Qa'Yid'a

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mary-lou's avatar

according to that one mysteriously placed passport found among the blistered cars nearby that could've well been the case. but then, what's in a name

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AQ has been a CIA cutout from day 1. The freedom fighting mujahideen in 1980s Afghanistan were publicly embraced, funded and trained. The AQ inspired War on Terror was an excuse to pillage West Asia and introduce draconian laws to suppress domestic opposition.

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Exactly. Those Salafis are the best investment the West ever made. Starting from discovering the Wahabism. It is well-documented how the British identified Muhammad Bin 'Abd-al-Wahab and facilitated his meetings with the leaders of the Sa'ud family to further their dubious plans. These plans aimed to strike at the heart of Islam and create divisions among Muslims, which have had lasting repercussions. The strategic manipulation of religious factions has proven to be a powerful tool for the West, serving their interests effectively by destabilizing regions and ensuring control.

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No. We 🇺🇸 just bought the survivors and defectors after UBL was dead. BTW - 🇹🇷 isn’t AQ 🤣, HTS is largely Turkmen. The Chechen and Uighur Muslim mercenaries are par for the course.

You’re looking at 🇹🇷 and seeing this 🇺🇸 and that 🇮🇱 when it’s 🇹🇷.

Of course we didn’t get in the way, neither did the Syrian Army, which had moved their best troops to the South even as the Idlib offensive was being publicly discussed in advance.

But it’s not our problem.

It’s now your 🇷🇺 problem.

Have fun.

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Bosnians were importing Mujahideen, many armed and trained by the US in AFG, during the Yugoslav war. When NATO and US troops arrived for 'peace keeping' duty, they were told they were on the side of the muslims. Sean Ryan had a recent interview with the Sheriff of Baghdad who relates the twisted irony of that. Manipulating islamic shock troops throughout the region to keep it off balance has been a very effective Bush/Obama/Bibi strategy.

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Sam's avatar

Trump threatened Syria not to attack the terrorists in Idlib. Not sure where I read that. Here? I’ve been reading lots of articles on this and can’t remember where. Nikki Haley wrote an article on the threat.

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Not sure how owned the large gray military cargo planes that were observed landing in Sarajevo by Swedish UN troops, but NATO held air control and superiority

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Oni's avatar

What became and what was Al Qaeda helped the US foreign policy and fought as US backed proxies at one point or another in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, and of course Syria, and I'm probably forgetting a few. Why do you think the WTC bombings and 9/11 were the only times Al Qaeda acted "against" the US and conveniently gave it 3000 excuses to pursue it's goals around the globe?

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Dhdh's avatar

whos goal? the jew. PNAC

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mary-lou's avatar

can we then now repeal the post-9/11 Patriot Act, please?

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AQ were the patsies of 911

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I wonder when the Chinese will awake from their slumber?

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Gerrard White's avatar

So they should come and save you....put out your Christmas list they'll be sure to comply

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Dhdh's avatar

No more Christmas in Syria

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You too put out your list you too can still be saved

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Myra's avatar

The history of national liberation struggles after WW2 shows how the impoverished masses can only rely on their own strength and not any external power.

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grr's avatar

I'm a Grinch and always say "Fuck Xmas". It is a shitstorm of rampant consumerism and hypocrisy.

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Victor's avatar

I used to think that until my wife got me something I had really been wanting... ;-)

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grr's avatar

Oh, do tell. You have us in suspense now LOL

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abcdefg's avatar

What is Christmas?

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Wiremu Harpuka's avatar

It's when charming Black and White Asian and mulatto queers and lesbians gather round for The White Company yearly festive catalogue.

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Gerrard White's avatar

You wish dogbreath - it's when you are most unhappy

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It 's what just happened in Syria

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Christmas was the day a baby was born who grew up to be a young man, was declined help by his Father, at the most critical moment, crucified by his neighbors, for cursing the local Central Bank.

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Hard to disagree - anyone, if you want something to do- United Health Care

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kam's avatar

American Christmas was invented by the Coca-Cola Brown sugary syrup Corporation.

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Lenka Jensen's avatar

Christmas is really the Winter Solstice which is scientifically real but got stolen by a fairytale. I celebrate Winter Solstice and my jule tree is the wish for new beginnings. No baby Gods for me but the real sun cycle.

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Solstice is Dec. 21/22. Christmas is actually Saturnalia, the birthday of Satan. It was repurposed by the Catholic church. In fact Thanksgiving is the only holiday in the west without occult origins.

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'Gimme that old time religion...'

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The Chinese are not more Syrian than Syrians.

They also aren't the USA.

What's the point of a multipolar world order, if you then don't let anyone have any own responsibilities?

This current world war seems to be about people who want to be sovereign, against people who want to live in a golden cage (and then realize that the gold is fake).

If Syria would have fallen because of foreigners invading them, with Uighurs as part of them, i would agree that China has a responsibility. But it did fall because the Syrians didn't defend and decided that they "need change". At the end of the day, the Syrians decided to become a terrorist den.

So be it.

If there should be a Syrian faction emerging that is reasonable, it can be supported. With emphasize on support, not on total takeover and using them as proxies.

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From a Chinese point of view, China-hating Uighur Jihadists being organised and having a base in Syria should be seen as a threat, at least to Chinese interests in the region if not directly to the Chinese Homeland.

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Michael's avatar

Better all the radicalised Uyghurs hangout in Syria, 3000 miles away from Xinjiang, getting themselves killed for the highest bidder in a Zionist v. The Rest war. Why interfere?

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ann watson's avatar

yeah right except for Israel doing a Beirut and Gaza now in Syria. I wish someone would stop them like Simplicius described as always needing to be done. Freezing war doesn't work - Israel needs to be iradicated from the planet. I hope Muslim Brotherhood supplies Gaza with weapons, now that Assad can't anymore

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The planet is gonna BE Israel soon enough

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ann watson's avatar

we just have to keep fighting - whatever that means for each of us.

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Wiremu Harpuka's avatar

They've already wasted years of expensive Hasbara basement activity through their gory genocide and they will never regain their precious victimhood so that's a start.

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The planet is already Israel.

Even the ones who openly say that Israel controls the US (China) and then ones who are the main target of jewish aggression (Russia) do not have bad relations with Israel.

They barely even dare to call the war against Gaza a genocide.

The only ones who say the right things and act accordingly against Israel, are Shia muslims. And that is only Iran plus some outposts (one of those just fell).

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Yemen is sunni. Its much wider than just Shia - look at all us. But I agree the world is very seriously going in the wrong direction. I'm worried too about that wonderful Romanian politician

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Eclavdra's avatar

Isreal is just an Anglo Fort manned by Ashkenazi. People get mixed up about whom works for whom, which is of course the plan.

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Proterran's avatar

eradicate, eh? if only it were so simple....

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ann watson's avatar

if only.

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Ron's avatar

Muslim Brotherhood is an MI-6 creation (1920's) and thus CIA funded operation. Anglo American Empire has it's hands everywhere...

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but these organizations take a will of their own. Hamas was a part of MB years ago and now its Palestinian Resistance. The wannbe powers that be - you know, the ones that screw little babies - are not so strong I can't imagine what the world will look like, even if all the technology and killer drones are busy everyday - if Israel wants to be in control of the world. Its going to keep them very busy. haha

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For a brief moment, the Middle East resembled us; soon enough, we will resemble them.

ZATO has not only sundered the re-unification of the White world,

ZATO's masters have opened our gates to the rekindled Abrahamic Conquest, their messianic vision.

The captured Anglosphere has been resurrecting jihad in earnest since 1979; one could say much longer, back to TE Lawrence of Arabia and the fall of the Ottomans in 1924.

May your words be true, that the new golems they create will drag them away from the lethal mess they are making of the old golems they've already molded.

You've given me a slender reed of hope, a candle against the coming darkness.

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the Middle East was civilized long before us. They still would be but for the damn interfering England and theirmilitary arm the US

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Vanessa Beeley reporting from where she had to flee from: "....More than 350 Israeli airstrikes targeting Syrian territory in the past hours, and an enemy Israeli occupation of Syrian territory equivalent to twice the size of the Gaza Strip, and their army is less than 40 km away from the capital Damascus...." - https://beeley.substack.com/p/safe-while-syria-burns

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I hear the IDF is closing in on Damascus, within 25 km now? Wouldn't that be a surprise turn of events?

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It also seems possible that israel will team with the Americans who control eastern Syria - further consolidation of greater israel?

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Eretz Ysrael has gone from a fever dream to a strong probability with this astonishing turnaround. Oct 7 was pretext for them to lay their ambushes.

I can see a consolidated Caliphate, a Sultanate, and an Eretz Empire; then, they will turn their sights to their European colonies.

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Sociopaths inevitably win power struggles, because unlike normies, sociopaths will do whatever it takes to get power.

For the same reason, sociopaths are not so good at building lasting institutions, because they are inherently untrustworthy. To the sociopath, *everything* is a zero-sum no-holds-barred winner-take-all game.

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Chutzpah- shamelessness- is counted a virtue in that world.

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I hate to say it but the CCP dictatorship has done nothing to help Syria. Nor is it doing anything to stop the genocide in Gaza. It just extracts wealth from countries. Beijing cannot be relied on by any country in the global South, the same applies to Russia.

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What nonsense. CPC government policy is to not interfere with another countries "internal" politics. If CPC were to send military assistance, the West would say China is an Imperialist Country trying to take over the World. If it doesn't, idiots like you say it's not doing enough. Since CPC can't win, it's far better to just live by results which is to continue to raise the Chinese standard of living. If you've been paying any attention, the CPC has delivered year after year for over 7 decades.

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Deplorable Commisar's avatar

" What nonsense. CPC government policy is to not interfere with another countries "internal" politics. "

How many lobbyists does non interfering China have in Washington ?

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First!

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Victor's avatar

Think it was him?

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Nope. Simplicius is the one and only. Oregonian is some other.

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@Mikey Johnson

Does location of the server farm loaded with a software agent = state of residence, or is it determined by the state where developing IT entity is incorporated? Asking for a friend!

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My algorithm does not include a jealousy// subroutine, the developers ran out of funds when sarcasm software suite went over budget-

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The last Socialist Arab Republic falls. The end of an era and sad days indeed.

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Nasser's secular Ba'ath was the failed Reformation. What rabbi fears most is for Edom and Ishmael to join hands. This is why the Mideast of the '70s with its skirts, wines, and universities was crushed.

The true goal is to erase the Stain of the Heretic from those lands.

Edom, as the rabbis call it. Isa or Esau, as the Muslims do.

There are fewer and fewer Christians left; detritus such as the Palestinians mean nothing, as they will easily be replaced by burgeoning Arab populations. They too are Seeds of Abraham, what lays between Israel and the Arabs is nought but an inheritance fight, like Joseph and his brothers. All you see is an excuse to extinguish Christian culture, as the Abrahamics did to Zoroastrian Persia, Pharoanic Copts, Western Hindus, and Bactrian Chinese.

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Dhdh's avatar

The Jew is stealing more territory - when will this problem be solved ?

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N Bear's avatar

Soon bud, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Normies are waking up to their spells and tricks. Add some more countries here soon to the ones they have been kicked out of.

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werner hillinger's avatar

Israel is sending troops over the border to get a security buffer - bad? Türkiye sending troops over the border to get a security buffer - good?

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Dhdh's avatar

German sending troops over the border in 1939 ?

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David Niemeyer's avatar

Probably would have gotten away with it if they hadn't gotten greedy and very very evil.

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Alzaebo's avatar

Stop bowing to the blood libel of your kith and kin.

Atrocity propaganda is more than projection, it is cover: they falsely accuse us of the very horrors they committed against millions of our people. Indeed, it is but a pale shadow of the horrors they actually performed.

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What would be true justice to all sides is if a Kurdistan were born on Syrian soil.

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Richard V's avatar

Great rundown from Simplicius. There are a couple of other perspectives that should be considered. The attack on Syria was extraordinarily powerful, sophisticated and well-planned. For a thorough and detailed description of the military methods, weapons and tactics employed and the disposition of Syrian forces, recommend this excellent video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kwFt6z3gaI&t=511s The first 8-9 minutes have a bit of sarcasm and hyperbole, but once he gets into the meat of things it is detailed and edifying. Secondly, for a historical strategic/geo-political perspective, one would do well to listen to this amazing one-hour exegesis by Alastair Crooke on the Chris Hedges Show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgEgHVtRbg4 Even Arabic-speaking Hedges, with his deep knowledge of the Middle East, was visibly taken aback. The actions of Russia and Iran suddenly become explicable. Both videos are well worth your time. Cheers.

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Thanks for the tips, Richard. Will watch those later. AC always dives deeply.

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Dhdh's avatar

How was the attack ‘powerful’ ? the Syrian army was starved by the JewSA and the Syrian generals were bribed like Iraq.

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Richard V's avatar

Believe if you watch the first video you will understand and agree.

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What is the tldr ?

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JG's avatar

Crooke, very good. The last 2 questions cinch up the evening. Hold on cowgirl, rough trail ahead. Another round of “giddy up”; thanks, all.❤️🐴🧲🐈‍⬛

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A 15 thousand strong bunch of rag tag extremists isn't anywhere near as string & powerful as the video portrays. Did the video mention what happened in the one single area where the SAA confronted them? The extremists withdrew until the message got to the SAA they were to stand down. That isn't any sign of powerful or strong in no one's military terms. It was Western media propaganda that blew up this bunch of no hopers as being some type of incredible freedom fighters. To be honest I actually believe you've fell for it hook line & sinker. The amount of casualties says I'm correct. Or should I say the lack of casualties. As the article by "Russians with atitude" states. 1 single Russian or even Ukrainian battalion could have easily stopped the extremists. This has been echoed since by military experts who aren't the Hollywood type.

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Carol Jones's avatar

Agree!

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abcdefg's avatar

Those who say Russia and Iran gain from this debacle are clutching at straws. Turkey and Israel are the obvious winners though it will take months or years to fully understand who has gained what.

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Well Russia and Iran may face some initial humiliation and lose some influence. The USSR never did gain a port in the Mediterranean so Russia losing its refueling and resupply base on the Mediterranean will allow the Russians to focus their resources in Russia and on Russian core interests.

Russia is a land power the Russian navy does well close to the Russian coast. They tend to face failure venturing far from their coast reference "The Battle of Tsushima" in 1905. The mistake that the Russians and Iranians did not make was being drawn into a second front as was desired by the powers that be. Now the Russians have learned a precious lesson at the perfect moment, no freeze, the most maximalist position possible, as a greater victory is at hand and the most humiliating defeat for Russia's true enemies.

Let us all hope this is not a Libya situation in west Asia as that did not turn out well for Libya's neighbors nor for Europe or Turkiye. That situation also will not facilitate the building of pipelines just as it didn't in Afghanistan before. Erdogan has basically hitched Turkiye to the West that doesn't want them and totally separated Turkiye from the rising east that now will not have them. That is if things are as simple as some think they are.

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"The mistake that the Russians and Iranians did not make was being drawn into a second front..."

Right. Makes perfect sense, Thanks.

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

Russia can get Mediterranean ports in Algeria (a long time ally), Egypt (a BRICS member, so friendly enough), Libya (plausible)... No shortage of available ports in the Mediterranean.

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Myra's avatar

You cannot rely on the corrupt dictatorships in these countries.

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Vade Retro's avatar

that`s absolutely true for syria too.

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I wouldn't characterize Algeria as a corrupt dictatorship. It's universally better after they got rid of the French.

Nor Egypt, however Egypt is a strange country and sometimes silly things happen there. But, it's a long time friendnof Russia.

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werner hillinger's avatar

When Russia sailed down the first time the Don to present-day Rostov, the intention was to break open the straits into the Mediterranean. All the wars in the 18th and 19th centuries had this objective—ALL!

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Feral Finster's avatar

I dunno, Russia fought wars in Central Asia that had nothing to do with the Med.

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Vade Retro's avatar

as a romanian i can assure you that the 1877 war was fought for different reasons, e.g. getting rid of the turks.

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werner hillinger's avatar

Sorry, but this is the view of the locals in the Balkans. Look at the peace proposal (San Stefano, the well known articel 24) until GB (peace conference in Berlin) stepped in. For Russia, other than the locals, it was about Konstantinopel. Of course, for Romania this original Plan would have reduced the country to a small, landlocked principality. And Bulgaria would have left as the real local winner, because they should gain even Hadrianopolis, being just around the corner of the Bosporous.

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Vade Retro's avatar

locals in the balkans wanted the turks out firstly and not to be under the tsar secondly; i think we got what we wanted.

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

However, there was a strong panslavic element present too.

Sadly, it almost completely disappeared in the last century.

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

Removing kebab is a good description for over 500 years of Balkan history.

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Eric Fuleftists's avatar

Regardless of your copium, the truth is that Russia was forced into a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. That they decided on the lesser of two evils is no great accomplishment.

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Rampantcrest's avatar

Russia will lose reputation by association, but this was worse for Iran. This was more than just the weakening of the IRGC "forward defense against Israel" in Syria and the loss of secure supply routes to Hezbollah (at least for now). Iran lost its only Arab ally, and might in the future be faced with a more united Arab front against the "Persian fire-worshippers". On top of that, Assad's Syria was a good market for Iranian consumer products and Iran's automotive exports, and its loss will be a shrinking of Iran's already pitiful list of trade partners. On the plus side however, Iran would no longer have to send Syria free oil to prop up their miserable energy infrastructure.

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_ikaruga_'s avatar

Can anyone really not be aware that without Russia and China willing to "go all-in" for it, Iran has only the double option of complete submission to their historical nemesis, or undoing following the wake of all who didn't offer said (full) submission to the nemesis (Libya, Syria, Iraq, ...)?

It appears Iran's "new" leadership, succeeding the murdered previous one, are choosing submission — although they will have to tread slowly and carefully, considering they have to make their society and public opinion come to grips with their choice and turn-around.

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Rampantcrest's avatar

If you're alluding to Pezeshkian, then he does not have a say in matters of grand strategy, because in the structure of this Iranian Islamic republic, the office of the president is one of the lower rungs of the deep state (although he may be a way for Khamenei to accept a deal while personally distancing himself from it). But with modern Iranian society having become thoroughly penetrated by liberal consumerist culture, I believe most Iranians would want to choose "submission" over anything else.

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_ikaruga_'s avatar

If most of them want it, then surely it is only a matter of time before they get what they want ;).

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

Pezeshkian has already learned enough to see the light. He wanted to be more moderate and open to reapproachment, but he was backstabbed almost immediately.

He will become like Raisi very soon.

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Myra's avatar

Exactly. Such a view reeks of copium. I suspect many countries in the global South will see it that way and act accordingly.

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