2. Remove objections to western Ukraine joining NATO, giving them the "Victory over Russia Man Bad!", while actually removing their proxy from the board and leaving them with the cleanup costs and pain of dealing with the awful brainwashed masses there.
3. In exchange for the NATO "victory" in 2, negotiate to have the US Empire turn over tiny little Odessa to the Russians as a minor concession.
That is not going to be the end result of this. After rebuilding a military during this process, VVP is not going to accept a compromise peace. Russia will have to take the whole thing and then dole out pieces. Establishing land contact with Transnistria is part of the calculus here. Also, Kiev is also a Russian city. I can't see them leaving that to the West.
I believe VVP refuses to telegraph his future decisions. The formulations of 2022 and early 2023 wouldn't have presaged a Kharkov offensive, either. Things have changed, and will change more the longer this continues.
I would accept nothing less than unconditional surrender at this point. It is the only way to secure Russia against this existential threat. I'm not a paranoid and I live in the US, but I wouldn't settle for less, given the circumstances. I always make the Ontario comparison - if some foreign power occupied it and started attacking the US from there, sending drones to DC and such, would you settle for less than occupation and surrender? Fuck no.
About the Nazis in the west of Ukraine, they'll have to deal. I would extract a pound of flesh from the Poles before considering giving them any land at all. I speak of concessions. I have no idea what Russia's concessions might be, but i'd be sure to get them. If they want that land, they should pay for it.
Then we are not in disagreement, though i'm sure Russia will manage the situation to its advantage. I don't know what Russia's goals in regards Poland would be. Perhaps disentangling it with NATO in trade for territory? Who knows. Art of the possible, as always.
Completely agree with this. Excellent assessment. I am an American Citizen, and my government is a lying sack of shit. Worse than Zelinsky and his band of Nazis. "Birds of a feather flock together" kind of thing.
Russia taking all of Ukraine will be welcome by all Ukrainians. Ukrainians west of the Dnipro River will welcome Russian rule. The country can finally be rid of these grifters, moochers, and all this corruption, along with the open and wanton criminality that have plagued Ukraine since before the Soviet Era. Look how Putin deals with the corporate oligarchs inside Russia.
Best for Russia is:
1. Take up to Dnieper.
2. Remove objections to western Ukraine joining NATO, giving them the "Victory over Russia Man Bad!", while actually removing their proxy from the board and leaving them with the cleanup costs and pain of dealing with the awful brainwashed masses there.
3. In exchange for the NATO "victory" in 2, negotiate to have the US Empire turn over tiny little Odessa to the Russians as a minor concession.
That is not going to be the end result of this. After rebuilding a military during this process, VVP is not going to accept a compromise peace. Russia will have to take the whole thing and then dole out pieces. Establishing land contact with Transnistria is part of the calculus here. Also, Kiev is also a Russian city. I can't see them leaving that to the West.
I believe VVP refuses to telegraph his future decisions. The formulations of 2022 and early 2023 wouldn't have presaged a Kharkov offensive, either. Things have changed, and will change more the longer this continues.
I would accept nothing less than unconditional surrender at this point. It is the only way to secure Russia against this existential threat. I'm not a paranoid and I live in the US, but I wouldn't settle for less, given the circumstances. I always make the Ontario comparison - if some foreign power occupied it and started attacking the US from there, sending drones to DC and such, would you settle for less than occupation and surrender? Fuck no.
About the Nazis in the west of Ukraine, they'll have to deal. I would extract a pound of flesh from the Poles before considering giving them any land at all. I speak of concessions. I have no idea what Russia's concessions might be, but i'd be sure to get them. If they want that land, they should pay for it.
Then we are not in disagreement, though i'm sure Russia will manage the situation to its advantage. I don't know what Russia's goals in regards Poland would be. Perhaps disentangling it with NATO in trade for territory? Who knows. Art of the possible, as always.
Completely agree with this. Excellent assessment. I am an American Citizen, and my government is a lying sack of shit. Worse than Zelinsky and his band of Nazis. "Birds of a feather flock together" kind of thing.
Russia taking all of Ukraine will be welcome by all Ukrainians. Ukrainians west of the Dnipro River will welcome Russian rule. The country can finally be rid of these grifters, moochers, and all this corruption, along with the open and wanton criminality that have plagued Ukraine since before the Soviet Era. Look how Putin deals with the corporate oligarchs inside Russia.
The "masses" in western Ukraine (all of Ukraine for that matter), are nowhere near as brainwashed as you may think.