Ukraine is fundamentally an anti-Russia and can be nothing else, because if it is not an anti-Russia, then very quickly it will be reabsorbed into Russia, as there is nothing there other than hatred for Russia to build a state around.
So the options are either a single Russian state and no Ukraine, or constant war and …
Ukraine is fundamentally an anti-Russia and can be nothing else, because if it is not an anti-Russia, then very quickly it will be reabsorbed into Russia, as there is nothing there other than hatred for Russia to build a state around.
So the options are either a single Russian state and no Ukraine, or constant war and hatred.
The West is effectively trying to create the same situation as between India and Pakistan.
Pakistan is an artificial entity that was put together originally and still exists primarily to keep India in check. It was given/allowed to develop nukes once India became a nuclear power for that same reason. And it works -- India is not really a great power.
Same strategy here. Which is why you see this ratcheting up rhetoric about Ukraine getting nukes. It is portrayed as the narco-fuhrer going into full Scarface-final-scene mode, but that, for some weird reason, assumes Zelensky is in fact acting independently here. Why anyone would just assume that, I don't understand....
Your logic fails and you have not all facts about Ukraine.
1. If the hate is so fundamental, why on earth would you incorporate it to Russia?
2. Ukraine is divided by many ethnics some of them leaning to Russia. The ”hate” was created and could be traced to the western part of Ukraine.
3. Strategy of tension is well known - so is US modus operandi.
Still, sane people should have spoken about the possibility to divide Ukraine or simply let loose Luhansk and Donetsk early on. This ”solution” only ended with loosers on both sides. What good do you think Russian and Ukrainian mothers think off in the graveyards?
Georgia has rejected the "west". It formerly worked with bribes of worthless thieves.... but you fucking know this, don't you? What's your angle? British or nato troll? Angry communist? Something else?
Hardly. If I were a troll sent by some nameless intelligence agency, there would be thousands like me, flooding the comment section and otherwise drowning out the conversation. Not a feral cat who posts three days after the article dropped because he cannot be bothered. Fact is, nobody of influence and authority cares about this place or the conversations people here have.
But tell yourself otherwise, if it makes you feel better.
No. With the exception of a tiny sliver of territory in the far West "Ukraine" was always deeply Russian. The US's project since 2004 has been to fund extremist nationalist fakery, to put control over Ukraine into the hands of a highly unrepresentative nazi minority and to spend whatever it cost to try to break the Russianness of Ukraine. They've been at that project for 20 years and, after the nazi takeover in 2014, have managed to really pick up the pace. Killing 15,000 Ukrainians who opposed them helped a lot, and then marinating youth in schools (if you're a teacher and you oppose them you got arrested and killed) with nationalist propaganda also helped a lot.
Today's "Ukraine" is a broken society. The only good news is that as Russia takes over territories the people in those territories have ceased pretending they are anti-Russian (which they had to do to survive, much as Jews in the Third Reich had to pretend to be gentiles) and have gone back to feeling they are Russian.
Not possible, sadly.
Ukraine is fundamentally an anti-Russia and can be nothing else, because if it is not an anti-Russia, then very quickly it will be reabsorbed into Russia, as there is nothing there other than hatred for Russia to build a state around.
So the options are either a single Russian state and no Ukraine, or constant war and hatred.
The West is effectively trying to create the same situation as between India and Pakistan.
Pakistan is an artificial entity that was put together originally and still exists primarily to keep India in check. It was given/allowed to develop nukes once India became a nuclear power for that same reason. And it works -- India is not really a great power.
Same strategy here. Which is why you see this ratcheting up rhetoric about Ukraine getting nukes. It is portrayed as the narco-fuhrer going into full Scarface-final-scene mode, but that, for some weird reason, assumes Zelensky is in fact acting independently here. Why anyone would just assume that, I don't understand....
Your logic fails and you have not all facts about Ukraine.
1. If the hate is so fundamental, why on earth would you incorporate it to Russia?
2. Ukraine is divided by many ethnics some of them leaning to Russia. The ”hate” was created and could be traced to the western part of Ukraine.
3. Strategy of tension is well known - so is US modus operandi.
Still, sane people should have spoken about the possibility to divide Ukraine or simply let loose Luhansk and Donetsk early on. This ”solution” only ended with loosers on both sides. What good do you think Russian and Ukrainian mothers think off in the graveyards?
"1. If the hate is so fundamental, why on earth would you incorporate it to Russia?
2. Ukraine is divided by many ethnics some of them leaning to Russia. The ”hate” was created and could be traced to the western part of Ukraine."
How did this work in the Caucasus?
Georgia has rejected the "west". It formerly worked with bribes of worthless thieves.... but you fucking know this, don't you? What's your angle? British or nato troll? Angry communist? Something else?
I was thinking of Chechnya and how it eventually was pacified, but you appear off you meds.
Aw geez. Feral Dumpster is back. I read about you yesterday at moon of alabama. You're a joke over there. You realize that, don't you?
So the best you can come up with is that fanbois and cheerleaders don't like me.
O noes! Whatever shall I do? Go on living my best life, I guess.
It's just an indication that you've got some angle but you don't have the guts to disclose what or who you are. A coward.
Hardly. If I were a troll sent by some nameless intelligence agency, there would be thousands like me, flooding the comment section and otherwise drowning out the conversation. Not a feral cat who posts three days after the article dropped because he cannot be bothered. Fact is, nobody of influence and authority cares about this place or the conversations people here have.
But tell yourself otherwise, if it makes you feel better.
I'm 100 percent sure that you are wrong.
Well, that proves....something, I guess.
Whatever. Carry on.
Thank you - interesting thoughts !
"Ukraine is fundamentally an anti-Russia"
No. With the exception of a tiny sliver of territory in the far West "Ukraine" was always deeply Russian. The US's project since 2004 has been to fund extremist nationalist fakery, to put control over Ukraine into the hands of a highly unrepresentative nazi minority and to spend whatever it cost to try to break the Russianness of Ukraine. They've been at that project for 20 years and, after the nazi takeover in 2014, have managed to really pick up the pace. Killing 15,000 Ukrainians who opposed them helped a lot, and then marinating youth in schools (if you're a teacher and you oppose them you got arrested and killed) with nationalist propaganda also helped a lot.
Today's "Ukraine" is a broken society. The only good news is that as Russia takes over territories the people in those territories have ceased pretending they are anti-Russian (which they had to do to survive, much as Jews in the Third Reich had to pretend to be gentiles) and have gone back to feeling they are Russian.
I think you and GM are saying the same thing in different ways.