Following Ukraine’s 29 October attack on the Chechen special forces training university in Gudermes, Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic, claimed that multiple Ukrainian POWs were killed in the drone strikes. “Up to 10 Ukrainian prisoners are held at each strategic facility in [Chechnya], including on the university’s ground…
Following Ukraine’s 29 October attack on the Chechen special forces training university in Gudermes, Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic, claimed that multiple Ukrainian POWs were killed in the drone strikes. “Up to 10 Ukrainian prisoners are held at each strategic facility in [Chechnya], including on the university’s grounds. In trying to harm us, Kiev has ended up killing its own soldiers,” Kadyrov wrote, promising “harsh retaliation.”
Well, retaliation came swiftly on 30 October.
Kadyrov said that a Russian drone strike against the Ukrainian military’s UAV control center in Kiev was in response to the Ukrainian attack. Kadyrov claimed that intercepted Ukrainian communications indicate that the Geran strike, sent in two waves of the kamikaze drones, killed 9 Ukrainians and injured 17 people. He also shared a photograph circulating on Telegram purportedly showing damage to the Ukrainian General Staff building.
Additionally, Kadyrov exhorted his troops to fight w/ renewed purpose & intensity—and “to take no prisoners.”
By Saturday, 2 November, he rescinded this last directive, however, explaining that he had received 2000 email messages & social media posts from Ukrainian family members, who pleaded w/ him to permit their fighting men to surrender to his troops, to wave the white flag, because “surrendering is the only way those who are sent to the trenches against their will can save themselves.”
In rescinding his directive, Kadyrov acknowledged that Ukrainians “are victims of Western cowardice and they are being ordered by Europeans and U.S. politicians to fight while Ukraine’s leadership is full of corrupt puppets and fascists.”
Maybe we'll see a new movement form: Ukrainian Lives Matter
Assuming that the dead POWs part of the story isn't bullshit, I dread to think why prisoners are being held in the attic of Ramzan Kadyrov's special forces training facility.
Can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation that isn't also God-awful?
Can't you "come up with a reasonable explanation that isn't also God-awful?" Perhaps you, Jack, have the smarts and creativity of a Gitmo guard/pretend warrior.
I really don't know what that means, except that it's phrased as some sort of sarcastic back-hand.
But I will try to explain my point more clearly.
What possible reason is there to hold prisoners in a special forces training facility? Let alone " “Up to 10 Ukrainian prisoners are held at each strategic facility in [Chechnya]"? The only explanations I can come up with are either human shield hostages against airstrikes or experimental subjects for weapons and interrogation techniques, both of which are God-awful.
However I am tending toward the explanation that the whole POW part of the story is bullshit. Why would you make accurate information about the losses you suffered in an attack public knowledge? That just gives useful information to the enemy.
I apologize. An explanation could be that these particular POWs are simply deemed high value to be isolated and/or protected and/or "softly" interrogated over an extended time - but why inform, unless you want your favourable public to know, for whatever reason, and don't care if your adversary knows or figure they know/surmise already. I agree that it has a decent probability of being BS. It does appear to be the human-shield angle, but that is useless and a tactic of weakness.
Akhmat special forces were the first of the regular army units to be redeployed to the Kursk region when Ukraine began its incursion. And at first they formed the basis of the defense in this area. Accordingly, they managed to capture a certain number of POWs. Just as the AFU managed to capture a certain number of Akhmat fighters. Most likely, these prisoners were sent to Chechnya in order to later try to exchange them for Akhmat fighters. It is unlikely that these prisoners are being held at the Special Forces Academy; this part of the story is most likely a fake. It seems to me that Kadyrov simply ordered the killing of several prisoners in response to the attack on the special forces academy.
Ukrainian lives matter only so much as a weapon against their brothers. LIVING Ukrainians don’t matter to US/NATO. If they can kill a Russian, and it takes 3-5 Ukrainian dead to do it; “best money spent” according to Lindsay Graham.
Here’s his sick quote: "The Russians are dying... it's the best money we've ever spent."
He does not care AT ALL about Ukrainian lives… the quicker the Ukrainians come to realize it — the better (for them and for us)!
Following Ukraine’s 29 October attack on the Chechen special forces training university in Gudermes, Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic, claimed that multiple Ukrainian POWs were killed in the drone strikes. “Up to 10 Ukrainian prisoners are held at each strategic facility in [Chechnya], including on the university’s grounds. In trying to harm us, Kiev has ended up killing its own soldiers,” Kadyrov wrote, promising “harsh retaliation.”
Well, retaliation came swiftly on 30 October.
Kadyrov said that a Russian drone strike against the Ukrainian military’s UAV control center in Kiev was in response to the Ukrainian attack. Kadyrov claimed that intercepted Ukrainian communications indicate that the Geran strike, sent in two waves of the kamikaze drones, killed 9 Ukrainians and injured 17 people. He also shared a photograph circulating on Telegram purportedly showing damage to the Ukrainian General Staff building.
Additionally, Kadyrov exhorted his troops to fight w/ renewed purpose & intensity—and “to take no prisoners.”
By Saturday, 2 November, he rescinded this last directive, however, explaining that he had received 2000 email messages & social media posts from Ukrainian family members, who pleaded w/ him to permit their fighting men to surrender to his troops, to wave the white flag, because “surrendering is the only way those who are sent to the trenches against their will can save themselves.”
In rescinding his directive, Kadyrov acknowledged that Ukrainians “are victims of Western cowardice and they are being ordered by Europeans and U.S. politicians to fight while Ukraine’s leadership is full of corrupt puppets and fascists.”
Maybe we'll see a new movement form: Ukrainian Lives Matter
Cue pompous Westerners... "ALL Lives Matter!!!. Now keep conscripting and sending the meat to die for Blackrock profits and "democracy"".
BTW - Ukrainian Lives Matter - good call, that one. <3 :thumbsup:
The no prisoners point is interesting as the UAF is likely to collapse via mass surrenders not mass graves.
Assuming that the dead POWs part of the story isn't bullshit, I dread to think why prisoners are being held in the attic of Ramzan Kadyrov's special forces training facility.
Can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation that isn't also God-awful?
Can't you "come up with a reasonable explanation that isn't also God-awful?" Perhaps you, Jack, have the smarts and creativity of a Gitmo guard/pretend warrior.
I really don't know what that means, except that it's phrased as some sort of sarcastic back-hand.
But I will try to explain my point more clearly.
What possible reason is there to hold prisoners in a special forces training facility? Let alone " “Up to 10 Ukrainian prisoners are held at each strategic facility in [Chechnya]"? The only explanations I can come up with are either human shield hostages against airstrikes or experimental subjects for weapons and interrogation techniques, both of which are God-awful.
However I am tending toward the explanation that the whole POW part of the story is bullshit. Why would you make accurate information about the losses you suffered in an attack public knowledge? That just gives useful information to the enemy.
I apologize. An explanation could be that these particular POWs are simply deemed high value to be isolated and/or protected and/or "softly" interrogated over an extended time - but why inform, unless you want your favourable public to know, for whatever reason, and don't care if your adversary knows or figure they know/surmise already. I agree that it has a decent probability of being BS. It does appear to be the human-shield angle, but that is useless and a tactic of weakness.
Akhmat special forces were the first of the regular army units to be redeployed to the Kursk region when Ukraine began its incursion. And at first they formed the basis of the defense in this area. Accordingly, they managed to capture a certain number of POWs. Just as the AFU managed to capture a certain number of Akhmat fighters. Most likely, these prisoners were sent to Chechnya in order to later try to exchange them for Akhmat fighters. It is unlikely that these prisoners are being held at the Special Forces Academy; this part of the story is most likely a fake. It seems to me that Kadyrov simply ordered the killing of several prisoners in response to the attack on the special forces academy.
Ukrainian lives matter only so much as a weapon against their brothers. LIVING Ukrainians don’t matter to US/NATO. If they can kill a Russian, and it takes 3-5 Ukrainian dead to do it; “best money spent” according to Lindsay Graham.
Here’s his sick quote: "The Russians are dying... it's the best money we've ever spent."
He does not care AT ALL about Ukrainian lives… the quicker the Ukrainians come to realize it — the better (for them and for us)!
This should be apparent to far more, though I think I underestimate its current recognition in "The Garden".