There’s not any one particular big update today, but things continue heating up everywhere, on every global front. Israel steams ahead but still tiptoes around Gaza City without entering its heart. Expert commentators have noted how Israel sticks to their armored vehicles and has very few patrolling foot soldiers to guard them—the exact ‘amateurish mistake’ that Russian mechanized forces were accused of making in the early part of the war.
You forget to mention that Israel is constantly on a war footing and has been since 1948.
The country is an armed camp.
That means the country and it's economy has long ago adapted to that specific situation and it has a far smaller effect than shortsighted, memoryless, blabbering "experts" think.
Don't believe me?
Have a look at Israel's 2014 war with Hamas in Gaza.
Did it affect tourism?
Yes.
For a few months.
Did it have a major and lasting effect on Israel's economy?
No.
Israel's economy just keeps on powering ahead despite what nay yappers say or think.
Before the war in 2014 Israel's economy had a GDP of about 314 billion USD.
In 2022 it was about 522 billion USD.
That's over 7.5% annual growth p/a.
Even if this war costs Israel 50 billion USD - and it will probably be closer to 20, Israel has the reserves to afford it even if it does reduce GDP somewhat temporarily.
Israel's economy is/going to "buckle"?
I think not.
So Russia also faced tunnels in Ukraine?
Yes, and it cost the lives of thousands of Russian soldiers - even with careful preparation and heavy weaponry support.
That was slow, hard and bloody work.
Remember Azovstal and the rest of Mariupol?
Easy and quick wasn't it?
Remember the underground mine galleries of Bakhmut?
Russia had to resort to closing off some of those galleries and gassing the Ukrainian defenders inside because sending its own people in there was just plain suicide.
And this despite the defenders having such a deficit in weaponry and manpower that they knew they were facing certain defeat.
So, Israel must just ignore those lessons and rush in against another drugged out, indoctrinated, fanatical enemy that's had 16 years to dig themselves into ratholes?
You're completely insane.
That's a recipe for disaster.
Israel is doing what must be done if it wants to keep its own casualties to a minimum.
Taking it slowly and carefully.
Areas are occupied, then cleared to prevent Ham-Ass scum from sneaking in and attacking from behind and beneath.
Only then can the Army move on to occupy the next area.
As a result your barefoot "freedom fighters" are being squeezed to death in smaller and smaller areas.
That excludes Hamas' top leadership, of course.
They're not in Gaza dying with the barefoot plebs and the rest of the poor idiots that actually had faith in them.
They're living it up off the money they stole in five star hotels in Qatar and playing with expensive prostitutes.
PS:
You're relying on the same crowd of "experts" that were completely wrong about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
If there's one thing this lot has proven it's that they're completely useless at forecasting.
All these people are good at is blowing gas and making clouds of irrelevant paper.
You tell me how you get that growth after a war if you haven't got sufficient reserves and without constant massive inflows of foreign aid.
You'll see a drop in Israel's GDP after the war in 2015.
That's probably because of the war.
But by 2016 Israel's economy was over 322 billion USD.
That's even bigger than before the war.
Like I said, any hiatus in GDP as a result of war is temporary.
Israel has already adapted its economy to take account of most of the effects of constant war.
2. Yeah, I'm sure the Russians just strolled in and took a heavily defended Azovstal and Bakhmut. They were strolling very slowly. That's why it took months. Easy man, walk in the park. Dream on.
Offensively occupying heavily fortified positions always entails large loss of life and equipment - unless you've got some embedded traitors to ease your way or your enemy just upped sticks and left.
An example is Russia's current Avdiika offensive in Ukraine. Russia's winning. But man, is it costing big time in blood and treasure.
Fortunately Russia's got the manpower and reserves to finish the job.
On the bright side, once Avdiika is in Russian hands, Donetsk City will probably be free of constant shelling by Kiev's forces just across from them and people can get on with their lives.
3. Have a look at the latest ISW (Institute for the Study of War) Iran update Israeli Ground Operation In Gaza map .
Their latest update is for November 10 2023
You'll notice some dark grey and some blue areas. The grey areas have already been occupied by Israel's Army and the blue areas have been cleared of mines, booby traps Hamas hiding in tunnels or in destroyed buildings etc.
Even if you don't agree with their analysis, their maps are good. You can verify them against excellent Russian sources like Rybar.
Experience has shown a completely different outcome.
How exactly do you get that growth?
And why won't Israel continue its growth when it has done so before - even including periods of war?
2. I have answered your question.
You won't get any accurate and up to date battlefield data from an army involved in combat on that battlefield.
That is obvious.
I said use your brain instead - deduce.
I say again:
Any large scale offensive against a heavily entrenched and heavily armed enemy will entail large losses unless you have embedded traitors or the enemy has upped sticks and left.
3. Who cares who's on ISW's board and who cares who funds it?
All that matters is the accuracy of the maps they provide.
Those maps can easily be verified against alternative sources like Rybar.
If you can point to errors on those maps then please do so.
1. Rus sat and waited for a month (out of cca two months) for azovstali cybrog supersoldiers to rot from gangrene in the Azovstal basement and crawl out on their own.
2. Everything ukies had was thrown at Bakhmut, that was liberated by Wagner and local militias mostly, not many regular Rus army there.
And stop comparing fighting Hamas with Ukie army, ffs.
And since you seem very pedantic re stat info, give us some for Rus loses aroudn Avdeevka.
If you have an accuracy problem with ISW maps then point it out.
If you can.
They are just as good as Rybar or anyone else's.
And it doesn't matter whether you like Kagan, Clarke or anyone there's commentary.
Please, plenty of Ukraine’s Azov Battalion did not leave Azovstal and Russian troops had to go get them and the hostages they were using as shields. (Hamas anyone?)
That cost bigly in blood and treasure.
So, what exactly is your point about Bakhmut?
If Russian losses at Avdiika are so important to you then find the exact numbers yourself if you can
Why must I do your leg work for you.
If you read my comment again it might penetrate that launching a large offensive against large heavily entrenched and armed positions results in heavy losses - even if you succeed.
That's exactly what Russia’s doing right now against Kiev’s positions at Avdeeka.
Any would do as you have none that doesn't include huge dollops of US dollars fresh off the printing press that pauperises the rest of us with every one printed.
Actually, if you really look this up in government records, Israel gets a measly $3 billion every year from the US. Now, compare that to the last two years with Ukraine.
LOL….So, Medicare for All? You mean like following government medical dictates that insisted you get a dangerous vax? Or perhaps you should contact some vets to see how they like their VA hospital experiences. Or actually talk to someone who lives in a country with socialized medicine.
What they don't tell you is that the money Israel gets isn't spent in Israel.
It's spent in the US largely on US arms.
What they also don't tell you is that Israel is a cheap test laboratory for the US Military.
Testing weapons in battle conditions is immensely expensive and very time consuming.
It therefore makes sense that plenty of US arms and/or their components are first tested in Israel in battlefield conditions before being used by the US itself.
Some examples:
Israel's Arrow 3 and 4 is the latest versions of the US's Patriot anti ballistic missile defense system - even though they seem to be different. The older Patriots could only shoot down ballistic missiles up to 30 km high. Arrow 3 and now Patriot can reach 100km high.
That differentiation seems to be being put aside as Arrow 4 is a openly joint effort between Israel and the US.
Iron Dome has been proven to be effective in battlefield conditions. The US Army has adopted 2 Iron Dome systems for themselves.
Both systems have been developed through joint efforts of both the US Military and IDF.
Another example is Iron Beam. On the surface it seems to be a purely Israeli effort. But that's misleading. A lot of Iron Beam's research is based on research done on high powered lasers by the US Military over decades.
The relationship between the US and Israel goes much deeper and has done so for much longer than meets the eye it would seem.
"It therefore makes sense that plenty of US arms and/or their components are first tested in Israel in battlefield conditions before being used by the US itself."
If the US actually had any of those arms left to use...
Hmm , i think was a bad ideea to test them against sandal wearers without any air defence and industry . A bit like relying on money printing for wealth looks great for a while but is bad investment into the future .
You REALLY think USA gonna let Israel crumble? Big daddy comming with the $$$$. Shit I thught we were gonna get some good action outa this but Hezb have not no balls and so far NO suicide bombers. BIG thumbs down from Billy boy!
Once they drain out bigg daddy's wallet they can always stand ove the krauts for some ca$h. Naz 'no balls rah rah' is just all talk about help'n the Palestinans. a few rockets just ain't gonna do it.. rest of Arab world? Iranians? Looks like a now show. Once they have genocided enough ( nerver enough ) Palestinians they's crawl outs there tanks but they place'll be a sand pit. Once month in and not ONE fucking suicide bomber? That's just poor fuck'n play on Hamas' watch-should be comming outa the ground like angry aints. It's all look'n like a disappointment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMzdHYEGHdE
Cause they ( Nas to be specific ) has VERY strongly alluded to this and raised expectations in his most recent speach for one https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/3/all-scenarios-are-open-hezbollah-leader-in-first-speech-since-gaza-war for two Israeli bombing of Hezb facilities over the past month ( several -use google) . For three , good chance to reclaim Leb territory claimed by Israel. Hama's has over reached itself. Arab / muslim world not united. No economic blow back, no threats to turn off oil and gas, nothing. Civil society in west useless-no break in UK Labour Party ect, Hamas fight back hopless-big disappointment-repeat -suicide bombers should be coming outa the ground like ants. Amoured bulldozers and extreme violence will finish them just like Jenin in the 90's, Jenin now is just a colonial policing issue for Israel. Also Hez have a liberationist strain of ideolgy often obsurred by western orientalist perceptions of them as crazy muslim- Ali Shariati influence should not be discounted. Plus some one should step in to help the Gazans.
The economic burden will be considerable on such a small nation however the Israelis built a substantial capital base to support their nation longer term and if need be the populace will certainly be willing to sacrifice economically short term to destroy the hateful and barbaric organization which obviously can't be tolerated on their border. They really have no choice but to pay the bill.
Except they are in Gaza City and squashing your scummy Ham-Ass bros a-hole.
Your scuzz bucket buddies are dying like flies.
You'd better go hold their hands before the Jews blot them in the ratholes they dug for themselves with the money they stole from their human "shields".
You know, the holes the Jews are blowing up without even having to get out their vehicles?
But they are in Gaza and they are achieving their objectives.
And quite quickly with low losses.
Look at some maps if you want to see how fast.
And why should they get out if they can just lounge about and kill your scummy useless bros who're sitting in holes in their own excrement and hiding their coward asses behind civilians?
The Jews have never been "after" your dumb bros in Hamas.
If that was the case Hamas would be dead and gone.
Becoming worm food like they're doing now.
All they've done is blow Ham-Ass's pathetic little rockets out the sky.
When Israel did lose patience and went into Gaza - like in 2014 - Ham-Ass quickly begged for a ceasefire before they got obliterated.
Some people are so embedded in their Jew hate opinions, that they will throw up any excuse not to listen to anything else. Considering most of your responses, this apparently describes you. When someone’s opinions are so concretized, even in the wake of opposing ideas, there is really no reason to attempt to have any kind of discussion with them. You will throw up any excuse, regardless of how absurd or far fetched, in order to support your opinion.
If not obvious before it is certainly perfectly clear now. You can't appease or make peace with mind numbingly hateful, vicious religious fanatics like Hamas. They must be killed or caged if everyone else is to enjoy peace and prosperity, including peaceful Palestinians who are also victimized by Hamas if they aren't compliant.
Irgun existed and was murdering Palestinians and British troops 20 years before the PLO was even created. Just who are the mind numbingly hateful religious fanatics again? The problem with reality is it always comes back to bite you. Irgun hate has begat hate on a scale they could never have even begun to imagine. And that hate is just about to gobble them up. Shoulda listened to that messiah guy 2,000 years ago that preached they should love those that hate them but all rather too late for that now the deed is done.
They bragged and promoted their massacre at Deir Yassin.
And it's no secret to those who care to look that Team Bibi have been supporting Hamas' control of Gaza for years - to prevent a unified Palestinian administration and avoid what they deludedly thought was a worst-case scenario: a real peace deal with the Pals:
Now, that and other bad karma has come back to bite them in the ass and show them what a real worst-case scenario might involve.
As Col. MacGregor, Scott Ritter and others have pointed out, Hamas has already achieved their strategic aim of uniting the Islamic world and most of the rest of it in opposition to Israel and the US. And, despite Israeli and US neocon bluster, will likely live on in some form or other to fight another day unless a real peace deal is somehow secured (or everything goes up in WWIII).
I have a feeling in my bones that the tables are about to be overturned and if I had treated people as badly as the Palestinians have been treated by these ethno-terrorists these last 80 odd years I wouldn't be within a million miles of that place when they are overturned. They say pattern never repeats but it does tend to rhyme.
"If not obvious before it is certainly perfectly clear now. You can't appease or make peace with mind numbingly hateful, vicious religious fanatics like ashkeNAZI sub human filth. They must be killed or caged if everyone else is to enjoy peace and prosperity, including peaceful Palestinians who are also victimized by the ZioNAZIs if they aren't compliant."
Funny, that. Human psychology is weird. You show up in someone else's country, steal all the good property, destroy what they own, drive them out, and kill everyone who resists. Then you pen up the survivors in huge open-air concentration camps.
And that tends to make them "hateful" and "vicious". What vile perverted creatures they must be.
Mind you, treat a dog like that and he will bite you - or rip your throat out if he can.
The old French witticism-"Cet animal est tres mechant; quand on l'attaque, il se defend" ("This animal is very wicked; when you attack it, it defends itself")
Problem is, we all know it, Hamas was funded, trained and supported by the US and Israel as a counterweight against the PLO. Even in 2019 a Israeli Minister went to Egypt to give them further money. The Egyptians didn't like that at all of course, the connections from Hamas to the Muslim Brotherhood are well known.
So we can argue, of course we can, that agreeing to a two state solution was a nonstarter from the beginning, nobody wants a new state with a regular army and security apparatus directly on their own borders which hates the other state. But agreeing to it in contracts and then never trying to implement it, further more basically stealing constantly land from those Palestinians, is also a nonstarter.
Israel made a lot of mistakes in the last 60 years in that region, the West also. I think the rest of the World has just enough of it. If you sign a contract, endless contracts of the Israel state with Palestine Organizations and the UN, and never try to at least hold the basics of that contract, then nobody believes you anymore.
You really think Israel can survive when all the surrounding nations now don't want to collaborate with you anymore? Before the war a lot of surrounding states had at least a working relationship with Israel, even sometimes almost friendly connections. How long will that last?
I think Israel will win, but the situation is not like 10, 20 or 40 years ago. Israel will pay a hefty price for it, you think those Hamas fighters are all moronic extremists who can't fight? We will see. I think Israel should just watch out, nobody likes lunatic extremists, and the attacks from Hamas 6 weeks ago, were unacceptable, but the attacks of Israel, the indiscriminate bombing is also unacceptable, killing thousands of children just because maybe some Hamas fighters are 1-2km next to them.
But we will see, I think you are far to positive for the outcome of this war for Israel. I was a soldier, house fighting is not a joke, its cm for cm, tunnels, mines, trap mines, trap bombs, indoctrinated and extremist fighters, that will bring a lot of problems for the Israeli fighters.
The Israelis never tried to negotiate in any form of real way with Hamas. (Not that Hamas actually wants negotiation either) it's shy Israel wanted Hamas to be the 'face of Palestine'
To obliterate Hamas by pure military means will effectively mean the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians - minimum, Israel do that they lose either way.
You can't kill a movement by military means, history shows this.
The only problem is Hamas used those ceasefires to regroup and re-arm to attack Israel again.
So Israel learned:
No more ceasefires with Hamas.
Obliterating Hamas militarily will not mean hundreds of thousands of civilian/human shield deaths.
Not if those shields get away from Hamas.
That is exactly what Israel is facilitating right now.
Hamas is not a "movement".
It is a very bad choice.
The PA/Fatah/PLO in the West Bank offers exactly the same options without violently antagonizing Israel to such an extent that it goes to war against it.
Hamas knows this, that's why it murdered Fatah's representatives and installed its own tyranny in Gaza in 2007.
"Of course, the U.S. will do its best to bolster its ‘greatest ally’ with unlimited funding, as usual—but thus far, major funding continues to be held up in U.S. Congressional deadlock."
The 3.8 billion isn't the total. That's direct payments from the cucked US govt, but fund raisers, and other mechanisms are estimated to earn the ashkeNAZI filth 9 -10 billion a year.
It has never had a viable economy. Take out the 10 billion and it will be at the economic level of Somalia.
Anyway Che when it comes to cucked zioNAZI fanboys such as Cruising (isn't that what fags do?) Economist and his fuckwit twin Yeah Sure Twatever you're wasting your time. They are so far up the ashkeNAZI arses they can smell the shekels.
Hamas is evil? Barbaric? Well, perhaps that is what one must expect of people who have lived under brutal military occupation, apartheid policies, rationed food/medicines/energy/fuel, checkpoints, midnight raids on their homes brutalizing whole families and taking their men into custody for years at a time, bulldozing homes and driving families off their lands, shooting children playing on the beaches for sport, shooting children for throwing stones - the only weapons they can manage - 70 years of ethnic cleansing and being treated like subhuman animals. If that were me living under such conditions, I would surely come to desire the death of every last fucking one of those who persecute my people. So yes, Hamas is brutal.
Their terrorist acts over the years were among the prime reasons the British backed out of the Mandate.
The zionist entity was conceived as a cancerous terrorist cell that quickly developed into a malignant tumour that spread across the Middle East and has been the source of much of the world's tensions since.
No. It was up to Britain as to when it would end the mandate. The mandate was given to Britain with the provision that it be ended when the territory could stand on its own. Britain wanted to leave because of economics (they were totally broke from the war) and because they were exhausted from the war, riots among Arabs and zionists and terrorist actions. They never actually handed the region over to the UN but decided to leave the decision as to when the mandate would end with the UN which, as a part of the Partition Plan "recommendations", the end date was suggested to be "no later than 1 August 1948". As the Brits had no more stomach for the issue, and also because the UN could not under its charter create a new state without the consent of both parties (Arabs and zionists), a civil war war broke out immediately after the Partition Plan vote. The Brits basically stepped aside and let it happen. The Brits formally left the mandate on midnight of 14 May 1948. On 15 May 1948 the zionists, without the approval of anyone outside fo the USA, unilaterally declared the creation of the state of israel, immediately triggering the First Arab-Israeli War of 1948 and of course, the Nakba.
So in the end, it is complicated. I didn't say all this before because I thought you might not be able to handle it.
Gaza was part of Egypt until 1967. The West Bank was part of Jordan until 1967. There was no issue about ‘Palestinians’ when these people lived in those countries. Why not? Because this issue has nothing to do with. ‘Palestine’ and everything to do with eliminating Israel.
No, it’s because ‘Palestinians’ were considered Egyptian, Jordanian, etc. The idea of ‘Palestinian’ arose in 1967, when Israel took over these areas. I wonder why. I also wonder why no Arab country comes to the ‘aid’ of this cause. What do they know that you don’t???
Egypt legally annexed Gaza during the first Arab-zionist war in 1948 as a hedge against the zionists taking it from Arab control and shoving the Palestinians off their land as they did with the rest of Palestine. Jordan did the same with the West Bank and made Palestinians living in the West Bank full citizens of Jordan. Both annexations were internationally recognised. In 1967 the zionist entity conquered both Gaza and the West Bank, illegally seizing them from Egypt and Jordan and implementing a forced occupation. In 1988 (I believe) Jordan released the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority whilst under occupation by the zionists. The zionists began authorising illegal settlements on West Bank territory, adding significantly to the regional tensions, and continuing this policy to the present day at which time the zionists have, through these illegal settlements, gradually absorbed most of the West Bank, completely obliterating any hope of a two-state solution - which they have never intended in the first place,a s they consider all this land to be theirs anyway. The intent is the complete removal of Palestinians from what the zionists consider their God-given land, pushing them out to the surrounding nations - or killing them - as they are doing in Gaza at present.
The bottom line is that the zionist entity stole all its claimed land, forcefully removing Palestinians from their homes in 1948 (or outright killing them) and refusing to allow them to return. The children of those Palestinians continue to fight for their right to return to their ancestral homes.
Your very first sentence indicates your personal bias. ‘As a hedge against Zionists’…Britain actually gave Egypt governance of Gaza after the partition of the Ottoman Empire after WW1, and continued to occupy it until 1967. Considering the inaccuracy of your first sentence, I didn’t read the rest. Just more internet BS.
Wrong again. Britain's Palestinian Mandate ended in 1947. The Arab-zionist War followed. After the armistice signed in 1949 Egypt entered and annexed the Gaza Strip.
As for bias, you should talk.
Too bad you didn't read the rest. You might actually have learned something, but I suspect it would have upset your narrative, so I forgive you.
Figures were revised by the Israeli government down to 1200 - not sure where you got that 1600 figure unless it was out of your arse. Those killed were either IDF, police or civilians, most of whom were killed by friendly fire according to witnesses on the scene. Those horribly burned were most likely the victims of helicopter hellfire missiles which were fired indiscriminately at civilians running/driving away at the scene thinking they were Hamas, or of Israeli tanks who were ordered to fire into buildings that knowingly contained Hamas and captive civilians (standard Israeli policy in such cases). If Hamas raped or murdered anyone, it was at an individual militant level as battle often brings out the worst in some people - certainly it was not general Hamas policy to do that - indeed, they were ordered not to harm any civilians, esp captives.
According to Reuters, "JERUSALEM, Nov 10 (Reuters) - A spokesperson for Israel's foreign ministry said on Friday that the death toll from the Oct. 7 Hamas attack in southern Israel had been revised to around 1,200 from a previous government estimate of 1,400.
"Around 1,200 is the official number of victims of the October 7 massacre," spokesperson Lior Haiat said in a written statement.".
And that 1200 includes the IDF deaths along with any foreigners caught up in it.
Unless you have a more recent quote from an zionist government source, I suggest you admit your error and move on.
They were in civilian towns to take hostages, one of their prime goals. It is well documented now that the IDF and the air force came in with cannons blazing and in a panic wiped out many of their own plus civilians caught up in the fire.
However, from the same Reuters article on 10 Nov (If it is the same article):
"The death count, which includes foreigners, "is not a final number. It (is) an updated estimate. It might change when (they) identify all the bodies," Haiat said."
Why the 1200 deaths and thousands of injuries if they were only there to take about 240 hostages?
Surely that's overkill - to put it mildly?
Have you any evidence of the orders and intention to only take hostages?
It and other articles also doesn't seem to mention IDF deaths or any deaths caused by IDF and IAF fire either.
"Well some Jew in tacticool gear with pink eye said it so it must be true!"
The rapes? Again. I have yet to see any proof of any actual rapes. I do keep seeing interviews from Israelis around the Kipputz who note that Hamas were quite courteous and polite as far as "bloodthirsty attackers" go
You forget to mention that the released hostages still have family members being held hostage. Maybe that has something to do with why they describe Ham-Ass in glowing terms?
Where exactly in your evidence does it say that a helicopter or IDF soldiers definitely gunned down anyone?
All I see is the opinion of someone that saw some dead people lying on the ground that might have been killed in a firefight.
Why do Zionists promote genocide in Gaza, for there is no doubt that this is where this is going?
Israel has made up stories of beheaded babies, mass torture, mass rape - now all debunked. It is also well-established that many of the Israeli casualties that day were the result of Israeli action, in some cases knowing that this would be the case.
Nor is resistance illegitimate to an occupying power, for it is undeniable that this is what Israel is.
I think that you want to enrage yourself, want to create a belief that the enemy are barbaric and sub-human, worthy only of extermination. This is what you want and it makes you a monster.
The more laws they bring in to stop people boycotting the terrorist regime occupying Palestine for the last 80 years or so the more people will boycott it. The more tourists that are spat on for just going there the more the truth comes out about just what genocidal evil has taken hold there 80 years ago.
And yet Ukraine is competing with Israel for the biggest welfare recipient recently, that's quite a similarity. I'd love to see your state function while being sanctioned by US instead of the current pampering. As for tunnels, it's only fair for you to get a taste of the medicine the russian armed forces endured in regards to propaganda. Mockery of your forces that would rather kill civilians a hundrefold over losing 1 soldier while hiding behind armor, all the while being known for employing Hannibal Directive (striking your own forces to avoid kidnaping) is not insanity, it's par for the course.
Actually, having a comment area full of spammy crap deters people from supporting or even coming back. There's an economic argument for ending this posthaste.
Nice words. It will be funny to see you eat them when the state called Israel is under oil sanctions by neighbouring states. When the state called Israel is treated as Gaza has been treated.
The state called Israel is NOT Israel. It is an abomination, a heresy. A stain, that will soon come out in the wash.
But the bloodstain of what was done to Gaza will be Judaism's Lady MacBeth's hands for generations to come.
And your arrogance is entirely misplaced. The state called Israel is a flea-bite of a country, propped up entirely by Western Imperialism and colonialism.
Take a good look at what has happened to Ukraine, for how much that is worth.
Zionists act as if Jews haven't lived among Muslim Empires for centuries with few if any problems.
I can't speak for all, but for many, myself included, the vision of Palestine is one of inclusiveness between Muslims, Christians and Jews as existed for hundreds of years after the Crusades
Well, why be so defensive, man? Israel is a great little country but without U.S. funding of billions a year for military supplies, it would be very vulnerable no matter how well trained its soldiers would be. War costs money, a lot of money. So it only makes sense that Israel's economy will suffer to finance its conflict. I favor global peace but the globalists create the conditions of dividing and conquering, we, the global citizenship.
Without the U.S. Israel would not exist. It's that simple, man. I don't know how it happened that the U.S. became Israel's big bitch but it is. That's why the tin can U.S. fleets are nearby to bail out Israel if they need it. Nothing new here, dude.
Without the US Irael wouldn't exist and the US is Israel's bitch?
I wouldn't be too sure of that.
If that were the case then US troops should be fighting in the existential war Israel is in right now in Gaza and on its borders with Lebanon and Syria.
Israel is not facing an existential threat right now. I suspect that the Hamas incursion with those lawnmower engined parachutes (lol) barely making it over the fences may very well have been a false flag event like 9/11 to give Bibi a political boost just enough to wipe out Gaza and make way for the theft of more oil reserves offshore etc. The IDF has the situation under control but I can guarantee you that any encroachment by an enemy with real force on Israeli soil sufficient to threaten the state, the US will mobilize and engage combat. I suspect the US military is slightly reluctant to be agressive right now because they're spread out thinly with limited ammo. lol What a shitshow divide and conquer maneuvre from the puppeteer controllers. It's all become a deadly farce with ww3 implications and the take-down of western civilization as we know it. You will have nothing and be happy, right? lol
A decent answer will require much more space than is available to me.
I don't agree that Israel isn't facing an existential threat.
Hamas states in its charter that the destruction of Israel is its main objective.
It has now tried to turn that into practice.
A suicidal attempt, but an attempt nevertheless.
And for that it's being obliterated.
You might be right about the false flag.
The whole show seems too pat and an excuse to use the IDF to anihilate Hamas in Gaza and install the PA/PLO/Fatah - the West Bank crowd that got kicked out of Gaza by Hamas in 2007.
I'm not sure how this is going to turn out for Bibi though.
So far it doesn't look too good for him.
He's getting blamed for this debacle.
For years he's been fostering Hamas and letting it establish itself in Gaza as well as the West Bank and Lebanon.
That's like keeping a scorpion in your pocket.
Now the scorpion stung him and he's realizing he's made a big mistake.
But, if anything, he's a survivor.
He'll probably survive this too.
I'm pretty sure Israel's military will handle this problem without the US needing to step in.
To my mind US forces in the region will only step in if Iran or its proxies try to be funny and overwhelm Israel and I don't think that suits Iran's slowly slowly catchee monkey approach.
I wouldn't sell the US military short too much.
I remember the serious ass-kicking Wagner and its Syrian bros got at Deir Ez Zor in Syria a few years ago.
And as far as I remember that was only using about 50 troops while hundreds of enemies got killed and without using much ammo.
The above original poster must be Dreizin or one of his sheeple.
The above economic analysis is crap for several reasons:
1) Analyzing GDP growth for a nation with a massive currency account deficit is pretty dumb. In 2022, Israel had a trade deficit of $34 billion vs. a GDP of $522 billion, or about 6.5% deficit. This more than offsets the ~$3 billion of US aid each year.
2) On top of the existing $34 billion in trade deficit, Israel had a $6 billion deficit just in October 2023. Some of this is the usual trade deficit but most of it isn't.
3) Israel is also certainly consuming a lot more things that it must import like oil for armored vehicle/airplane fuel during this offensive - so even the outright commodity trade deficit is going to expand.
4) The above author focused on tourism being a short term hit - this is highly suspect analysis since the presumption is that everything will be over quickly.
5) The above author also completely ignores the impact of 300K reservists pulled out of Israel's work force, plus the literal evacuation of both North and South Israel. Israel's work force in 2022 was 4.1 million people; 300K is 7.3% of Israel's workforce no longer on the job, plus some unspecified number thrown out of work from evacuated kibbutzim, absent tourism, etc etc. Consider this a direct impact on GDP of at least 7.3% of Israel GDP which would be $38 billion.
But then again, Dreizin is such a numbskull that he would never admit that he doesn't know jack about economics much as the above author does not.
Even when the $14 billion subsidy from the US finally arrives - the fact is that it is not clear how much of the ongoing economic drain on Israel will be offset i.e. how many months of Israel economic shortfall can be bought up with printed American dollars. Let's not forget that the bombing and early stage assault costs money too.
Ukraine's GDP in 2021 was ~$200 billion, and the outright cash subsidy replacement of much of its internal economic activity plus its war spending is supposedly costing $60 billion a year. Israel's GDP is 2.6 times bigger than Ukraine 2021 meaning a comparable economic replacement would cost $156 billion a year - meaning a comparable Israel war deficit and economic hit as Ukraine's would eat up $14 billion in about a month. Impossible to say without a much more detailed dive as to whether Israel's commitment in Gaza is significantly greater than Ukraine's in the SMO, but it isn't 10x more or 1/10th as much. It likely isn't even 3x more or 1/3 as much - meaning the drain on Israel's economy is extremely significant.
Not to mention that regardless of the outcome of this particular campaign, genocide is very bad brand management that will have a long term impact. RoW (including much of the non-elite westerners) will likely boycott or least resist Israeli goods (including diamonds and pharmaceuticals) for years to come. The tourist trade will dip from greater awareness of the Zionist injustices and legitimate fears of violence. The arms trade will dry up as the weapons are shown to be as crap as all the NATO weaponry.
And if Iran/Iraq/Syria/?Turkey-Azeri? can force a full Arab blockade of oil/food sales for more than a few months, then Israel turns into Lebanon with far worse brand image.
1) diamond trade - the European boycott of Russian diamonds probably helps Israel, if Israel is at "peace".
2) tourism - I think most of the tourism, certainly from an absolute dollar amount, is from the West anyway. I don't see a lot of Arabs visiting Israel but could well be wrong (Al Aqsa). I was seeing A LOT of ads to be a tourist in Israel prior to 10/7...
3) Arms trade: Israel's primary arms trade export is cyber security. I don't see that changing.
4) Oil embargo: this is the one area which Israel is extremely vulnerable, but India's ongoing support means the most likely outcome of an embargo is Russian oil bought by India then resold to Israel. The Arab nations certainly would not be able to make a physical embargo stick unless the US stops supporting Israel (not bloody likely). Food - the US and EU could easily support Israel.
I would imagine Israel being conquered/civil warred into Lebanon much more easily than Israel becoming Lebanon due to pure economic sanctions.
I take your point about the West and the Arab world, but RoW also encompasses Russia, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Latin America, etc. Diamond engagement rings is a must have for affluent Chinese urbanites. I imagine many may now consider rubies, sapphires, and jadeite mined in SE Asia instead. I could see a similar trend elsewhere as wearing luxury items associated with Israel become declasse.
For tourism, again I think there are lots of non-Arab tourists who may rethink Israel now. There are a lot of people who were on the borderline before (queasy about Israel but "it's so interesting" and "both sides are to blame") and may now resist because it would be so tasteless. Israel is not a beach vacation to relax to, it's a luxury signifier for a certain upper middle class people to show their sophistication. Brand tarnish can really hurt the trade. The other component is that older westerners have warm fuzzies over the old Labourite Israel whereas younger Westerners are much more anti-Zionist, so Israel's customer base is dying off.
I am aware of the various Israeli spyware companies, but doesn't the purported massive intelligence failure of October 7 put a lie to their purported effectiveness? Unless they openly admit that it was a false flag from the start, I imagine it compromises the value of these products. I believe Israel also does a lot of business in crowd suppression tech...we'll see about that.
I admit that I'm speculating and it all depends on people's memory being bett
There is some demand in the World Majority but I think it is pretty small compared to the relatively much more wealthy per capita West. This report says the US alone is half the world diamond market: https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/diamond-market
I'm sure there is significant purchasing in China, but it isn't clear to me how big a market it is in absolute terms vs. the US and Europe (West overall) right now.
On the travel side: As I said, my impression is that Israel wants rich Western tourists - not poor 2nd and 3rd world ones but I haven't looked deeply into the subject. In the former case, it isn't clear that "tarnish" is possible for the evangelical or overseas Zionist types.
These companies raise literally billions every year in funding. In addition, Check Point is basically an Israeli company while many of the other existing big companies have bought or are otherwise significantly staffed by Israelis (ex unit 8200 types).
Don't confuse border security with cyber security.
Thanks, I will read the articles you linked to. I agree that RoW is still fairly small in the luxury travel and diamond jewelry consumer base, but then again I have also seen Chinese tourists crowd European cities in their thousands. And while RoW seemed to be finally growing economically, the Western customer base is in decline due to high energy costs, high housing costs, and medical/education costs in the US. This is even hitting the upper end of the middle class (I am friends with a couple who are well known in our circle as adventurous world travelers, but they had to completely curtail all travels to pay full tuition and room/board at an expensive private college for their only child.)
There are some wealthy rapture ready Christian Zionists around, but that population is not growing. Seeing genocide on TV and Internet will also push the borderline cases.
I wasn't thinking of failure of Israeli border security but Israeli signal intelligence. If we take what they claim to be true, then it wasn't very good because they missed a massive operation that Egyptians and Americans picked up on. But I suppose spying on employees and customers is the low hanging fruit for these companies so you're right on this point. Israeli companies have a advantage because they have plenty of practice and don't need to sweat any ethical considerations.
Indian shipments would have to go through the Suez Canal and Russia seems to be more decisively tilting towards Palestinians. So India may not be allowed to resell Russian oil the way it's done with the EU. Also, while Modi and thirsty Indian Tweeters are strongly pro-Zionists because they like genociding Muslims, I believe the Indian populace is more ambivalent, thus the labor unions' (including BJP aligned ones) to not supply Indian laborers to Israel.
And as for the EU, they don't really have oil to spare and the governments are very shaky as is.
We shall see. I am just speculating as I definitely don't think I have particular insight into the future.
It would be awfully difficult for Russia to tell India to obey Russian sanctions (assuming this is even possible which I doubt) but to not obey European ones.
India is also conspicuously not with the rest of the World Majority in the Israel/Gaza issue.
As for the EU - the size of Israel is so small that it really doesn't matter one way or the other to the EU. Small enough that there's no problem for the EU to hurt its population more in order to support Israel.
Even if Egypt were to close the Suez canal to oil shipments to Israel (another thing which I mightily doubt), there is no issue with oil tankers going the way through the Straits of Gibraltar much as Russian oil has at least partly avoided European transit zones.
So no, I can't say that I see a seller's embargo being very likely to hurt Israel in the short run.
Now that Russia's finances are anchored up and as it's moving closer to China and Iran, it may have very good reasons to be less generous to India. I believe India is still playing games with giving Russia the ability to use the "payments" it received for selling Indians discounted Russian oil.
Yes, EU can starve it's citizenry to pamper Israel, but the cost of shipping oil from a long distance and under hostile conditions, will be different from getting cheap Azeri oil and gas from nearby. Particularly as oil refinery is a major Israeli industry.
Okay, I am probably exaggerating by saying Israel will become Lebanon immediately, but I think brand erosion plus partial sanctions will hurt it a lot in the longer term, even if the US continues to bail it out in the short run. The US and the EU have their own economic crises and rebellious populaces to deal with. At some point, they may even have to give up their Zionist linchpin in West Asia.
According to Trading Economics, Israel ran a surplus of 4.163 billion USD on its current account in the 2nd quarter of 2023 and has been in surplus since about 2003.
Trade deficits don't seem too important when that is considered.
The reason Israel has a positive currency account is mostly because of the US aid transfers, both direct from the US government and indirect from various sources like dual citizenship Israelis. Nor is the US the only giver of aid to Israel - various European countries also give a lot of aid, just less than the US. Here's a link on annual aid amounts up until 2014: https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/questions/how-much-international-aid-does-israel-receive/
Note the enormous numbers. Israel GDP in 2014 was only $314B meaning the foreign aid received was literally 1% of GDP that year.
It is actually extremely unusual to have a large trade deficit *and* a significant positive currency account balance but all is possible when multiple billions in cash is given for free every year.
As for sources: just google. This isn't super secret squirrel data.
Yes I do understand the difference Oh One-Clever-In-His-Own-Mind.
I also understand that currency account movements are meaningless minor annoying accounting distractions when compared to the current account and are pretty irrelevant economically.
I also don't see you backing up the statements you make with much evidence.
I do however see you twisting yourself into pretzels making weird assumptions to suit your narrative.
Israeli knuckle-draggers like Bibi are drawing all reasoned Israelis into the inferno. Without the U.S. and less-so Europe, Israel cannot survive long term.
I’m a student who has recently come back from a solo trip to front line Ukraine. I’ve just published a new piece on my experiences and thought readers here may appreciate it. Please do see what you think. https://irongoose.substack.com/
Why does Simplicius say 70-80k in the initial invasion? Were the rest Donbas units, Rosgvardia, etc? I thought the consensus was around 120-190k in the initial invasion?
70 - 90k in the initial offensive is about right. We need to keep in mind that while the original SMO was done 'on the cheap' and miscalculated, its original intent was to knock out the Kiev regime, not occupy all of Ukraine. The actual composition (and number) of the original force was in complete contrast to the western narrative, and blatant lie, that the intention was to roll over the whole country.
It was to force or give incentive to negotiate. When that seemed to succeed, Russia responded, showing the intent was in-fact negotiated settlement - backed by a will to use force if necessary. Russia miscalculated in thinking there was a negotiating partner in Ukraine. NATO miscalculated in thinking Russia was bluffing and that Russia was not the failed country and glorified gas station it told itself Russia was. Russia adjusted. So far the West hasn't.
Lol. We get it. You hate Jews. But “screaming” your little cut and pastes is boring. You look like a fool with nothing real to say. In fact, you’re totally predictable. I expect nothing more than unsophisticated blather about me sucking Hebe cock all in CAPS as a response. Grow the fuck up and do please try to move out of your mommy’s basement.
That is probably a more accurate way of putting it, actually. The attitudes have hardened since though. While there is merit in the argument that Zelensky is probably the best asset the Kremlin has, Moscow definitely wants the whole Kiev regime obliterated now. That hardening of attitude also appears to have filtered down through the ranks as even Russians in the field are becoming sickened at the way Kiev is pushing its own citizens into the meat grinder.
The Israelis will come out of this richer and stronger than before. They will milk the US treasury for all that its worth and politicians from both the senate and the house will literally fall over themselves to see who can prostrate themselves the most. They play the US-lobby game better than anyone else.
Whats your timeline on Avdeevka? I think by end Feb at the latest it should be done and dusted. On the other hand, the stuff coming out of Kiev appears more and more unhinged. When I saw that "actually the counter offensive was a psy op" video I was 100% sure it was a meme video made by Pro-Ru accounts... till it actually turned out to be a real Ukr video. I still can't believe it.
Israel will certainly try, but the problem is that a comparable financial support as is being given to Ukraine would be a truly enormous number. Israel's GDP is 2.6 times bigger than Ukraine's meaning comparable support would require 2.6 times more money. Note this is despite Israel being a far smaller population (1/5th the size of Ukraine).
If the US Congress and Biden are having problems passing $60 billion for Ukraine - would they really be able to easily pass $156 billion for Israel? Especially after so much has already been appropriated for Ukraine?
Election coming up for 100% of the House and 33% of the Senate. And that pesky Presidential one. People will care - the Fed is already twitchy on interest rates. Inject another trillion of inflated currency into the world and that would provoke more hikes, almost as a matter of course.
I do have enormous doubts about passing $1 trillion.
The US economy is already in the midst of a major inflation shock. Another $1 trillion printed to support foreigners would not exceed the massive Biden spending but would very visibly increase it.
To put these numbers in perspective: the entire budget of these departments are under $100B per year:
(Note USAGM is the new name of the Broadcast Board of Governors, the media arm of the US regime change deep state. USAID is here as well. Dept. of Interior includes nukes under the Department of Energy which itself is part of DOI)
Department of the Interior (DOI)
$93,947,237,825
Department of State (DOS)
$84,030,814,474
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
$84,030,467,898
Corps of Engineers - Civil Works (USACE)
$81,515,865,448
Department of Labor (DOL)
$78,274,008,385
Department of Justice (DOJ)
$70,658,701,950
General Services Administration (GSA)
$58,949,313,880
Agency for International Development (USAID)
$49,766,278,370
Small Business Administration (SBA)
$42,065,679,353
National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
$33,087,140,706
Railroad Retirement Board (RRB)
$17,606,603,359
Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
$13,132,568,821
National Science Foundation (NSF)
$11,100,328,682
U.S. International Development Finance Corporation (DFC)
$8,369,434,092
Farm Credit System Insurance Corporation (FCSIC)
$7,380,700,919
Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC)
$4,323,595,213
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB)
$3,570,960,643
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
$3,306,808,101
Corporation for National and Community Service (CNCS)
$3,260,074,949
Executive Office of the President (EOP)
$1,511,792,057
Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)
$1,166,838,685
Government Accountability Office (GAO)
$1,053,336,708
Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Trust Fund (PCORTF)
$1,012,189,599
U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM)
$1,011,190,622
National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
$941,829,801
Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC)
$736,005,787
Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)
$686,096,157
Gulf Coast Ecosystem Restoration Council (GCERC)
$668,161,539
Presidio Trust (PRESIDIO)
$642,750,275
Export-Import Bank of the United States (EXIM)
$594,623,144
Peace Corps (PC)
$547,444,088
Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
$494,262,805
District of Columbia Courts (DC COURTS)
$423,784,883
Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency (CSOSA)
$382,226,703
Federal Permitting Improvement Steering Council (FPISC)
Re Israel-Gaza, I think Syria is the one to watch in all of this. Most people (who paid any attention) understood Iran's influence on the Iraq War. That said, most were unaware of Syria's influence, and it has a serious list of scores to settle with Israel. Portraying Assad as a one-dimensional, comic book villain, in the same way Putin is caricatured, would be foolish but he may well take the opportunity for a reglement de compte.
Isn’t socialist Zionism a Jewish branch of national socialism?
“The kibbutzim themselves, held up as ‘the essence of the socialist-Zionist ideal of collectivism and egalitarianism,’ are fast falling victim ‘to the pursuit of individual fulfillment’.”
The US Army deploys women into theater as part of support units. While none are 11B infantry, they can be 25-series comms and computer people, and thereby end up fairly close to the front lines.
Women are always a minority of those deployed. The term is "queen for a year", meaning that while in the US they were say a 5, in theater they are a 7 or 8. The women tend to like the attention. A lot end up pregnant and are rotated back early for this reason.
Extrapolate this to the Uke situation, the woman may not have been pregnant when she was inducted into their forces. Extrapolating further from their obvious incapacity or unwillingness to evacuate severely wounded people, perhaps they decided not to evacuate her, which resulted in her capture.
funny how quick the hasbara flood the internet forum and websites with their usual 1) low level insulter / smear jobs 2) concern troll spreading FUD hidden beneath pretend concern 3) high level polite hasbara who tried to skew the discussion based on made up facts 4) the 'poison the well' hasbara who pretend to be anti israeli but constantly post hilarious anti jew conspicary nonsense
There is nothing like a little FullSpectrumDominance when it comes to trying to hoodwink goyim
I suppose every tribe, culture and society has its fair share of rotten apples. My only request as an American citizen it’s to not allow them in our government and please can we stop sending money and weapons
Yes, an FPV drone can hunt and kill an enemy drone OPERATOR (not the drone itself). This is actually a huge problem for Ukraine right now because Russia has figured out how to home in on the controller's signal, so they're losing a lot of their most experienced FPV drone guys.
I'd be willing to bet operational pacing by the Israelis is by design. They've got Hamas in N Gaza cut off and largely immobilized which means the Israelis enjoy all substantive initiative. It will be interesting to see what they choose to do next. Flood the tunnels perhaps?
Given that Hamas isn't stupid and understands that its only advantages are fighting in its own territory (an urban hellscape), it is not at all clear what you are trying to say.
Hamas was never going to engage in a battle of maneuver. What you are describing is the equivalent of saying that hyenas surrounding a badger lair have the advantage.
I disagree with your fundamental premise. All evidence indicates Hamas is composed of mind numbingly vicious imbeciles. I served as a professional soldier and readily recognize their utter lack of competence, which should be obvious to all I would think.
Hamas is like some vicious little nitwit with the foresight of a puppy dog that sucker punches somebody much more capable and then, predictably, gets pounded into the ground. Operationally this situation is not hard to evaluate, at all. However you are obviously hopelessly prejudiced so just believe whatever it is you want to believe. I won't be responding again.
You still didn't answer my question: If Hamas is "some vicious little nitwit with the foresight of a puppy dog that sucker punches somebody much more capable" - this is contradictory with the notion of capability. It isn't like Israel has not been shooting Palestinians continuously for the last 2 generations.
Nor am I very impressed with your attempt to portray me as "hopelessly prejudiced" when it is you that is refusing to answer reasonable questions.
It seems more that you are more projecting than discussing.
I think you answered a question I have. It looks to me like the Muslim world will let Israel kill all the remaining Palestinians without taking any effective military action against Israel. But perhaps they're giving Israel more rope to hang themselves. For the entirety of the occupation the Muslim world has shamelessly used the Palestinians without providing significant assistance. So I am skeptical that the Muslim world will take direct action to save the Palestinians.
"For the entirety of the occupation the Muslim world has shamelessly used the Palestinians without providing significant assistance."
That is bullshit. The entirety? What about Hizbollah? What about Syria? What about Iraq under the Barth Party? And much more that has been subtle and not on the surface.
What the situation looks like to me is that the Muslim world, plus the rest of the World Majority, are letting Israel destroy any and all good will remaining towards it along with destroying the US'.
Once that is accomplished, any number of actions are possible ranging from direct intervention a la Russia in Syria, to an oil embargo, to who knows what else.
As one of the articles points out the Israeli economy wasn't doing very well before the genocide. The insane Israeli behavior isn't going to help it now. You don't pull 300k reservists out of the work force and expect it to be a positive result. Tourism, forget it. Boycotts of Israeli products, everywhere. If the Arabian call for a embargo on Israeli goods coming and going takes hold, it's bye-bye.
Israel's economy:
Reuters: Israel economy: Gaza war sends economy into the unknown
It's even worse than that because Israel relies on a LOT of imported labor from abroad, and a lot of those folks have left and gone back home. Money's good, but nobody wants to risk getting killed just for a housekeeping job.
Interesting interview from Michael Hudson. He believes the US wanted war with Iran for a long time and will use this opportunity to attack them. Hence the military build-up, and the support for Israel's escalation is bait for Iran.
Zionist provocateur
"Israeli economy buckles"
Right.
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Israel is not Ukraine pal.
The comparison is a bit....
Wobbly.
To say the least.
You forget to mention that Israel is constantly on a war footing and has been since 1948.
The country is an armed camp.
That means the country and it's economy has long ago adapted to that specific situation and it has a far smaller effect than shortsighted, memoryless, blabbering "experts" think.
Don't believe me?
Have a look at Israel's 2014 war with Hamas in Gaza.
Did it affect tourism?
Yes.
For a few months.
Did it have a major and lasting effect on Israel's economy?
No.
Israel's economy just keeps on powering ahead despite what nay yappers say or think.
Before the war in 2014 Israel's economy had a GDP of about 314 billion USD.
In 2022 it was about 522 billion USD.
That's over 7.5% annual growth p/a.
Even if this war costs Israel 50 billion USD - and it will probably be closer to 20, Israel has the reserves to afford it even if it does reduce GDP somewhat temporarily.
Israel's economy is/going to "buckle"?
I think not.
So Russia also faced tunnels in Ukraine?
Yes, and it cost the lives of thousands of Russian soldiers - even with careful preparation and heavy weaponry support.
That was slow, hard and bloody work.
Remember Azovstal and the rest of Mariupol?
Easy and quick wasn't it?
Remember the underground mine galleries of Bakhmut?
Russia had to resort to closing off some of those galleries and gassing the Ukrainian defenders inside because sending its own people in there was just plain suicide.
And this despite the defenders having such a deficit in weaponry and manpower that they knew they were facing certain defeat.
So, Israel must just ignore those lessons and rush in against another drugged out, indoctrinated, fanatical enemy that's had 16 years to dig themselves into ratholes?
You're completely insane.
That's a recipe for disaster.
Israel is doing what must be done if it wants to keep its own casualties to a minimum.
Taking it slowly and carefully.
Areas are occupied, then cleared to prevent Ham-Ass scum from sneaking in and attacking from behind and beneath.
Only then can the Army move on to occupy the next area.
As a result your barefoot "freedom fighters" are being squeezed to death in smaller and smaller areas.
That excludes Hamas' top leadership, of course.
They're not in Gaza dying with the barefoot plebs and the rest of the poor idiots that actually had faith in them.
They're living it up off the money they stole in five star hotels in Qatar and playing with expensive prostitutes.
PS:
You're relying on the same crowd of "experts" that were completely wrong about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
If there's one thing this lot has proven it's that they're completely useless at forecasting.
All these people are good at is blowing gas and making clouds of irrelevant paper.
Ok.
1. According to the World Bank:
Israel GDP 2014: $ 314330061977.3
Israel GDP 2022: $ 522033446211.6
https://databank.worldbank.org/source/world-development-indicators#
You tell me how you get that growth after a war if you haven't got sufficient reserves and without constant massive inflows of foreign aid.
You'll see a drop in Israel's GDP after the war in 2015.
That's probably because of the war.
But by 2016 Israel's economy was over 322 billion USD.
That's even bigger than before the war.
Like I said, any hiatus in GDP as a result of war is temporary.
Israel has already adapted its economy to take account of most of the effects of constant war.
2. Yeah, I'm sure the Russians just strolled in and took a heavily defended Azovstal and Bakhmut. They were strolling very slowly. That's why it took months. Easy man, walk in the park. Dream on.
Offensively occupying heavily fortified positions always entails large loss of life and equipment - unless you've got some embedded traitors to ease your way or your enemy just upped sticks and left.
An example is Russia's current Avdiika offensive in Ukraine. Russia's winning. But man, is it costing big time in blood and treasure.
Fortunately Russia's got the manpower and reserves to finish the job.
On the bright side, once Avdiika is in Russian hands, Donetsk City will probably be free of constant shelling by Kiev's forces just across from them and people can get on with their lives.
3. Have a look at the latest ISW (Institute for the Study of War) Iran update Israeli Ground Operation In Gaza map .
Their latest update is for November 10 2023
You'll notice some dark grey and some blue areas. The grey areas have already been occupied by Israel's Army and the blue areas have been cleared of mines, booby traps Hamas hiding in tunnels or in destroyed buildings etc.
Even if you don't agree with their analysis, their maps are good. You can verify them against excellent Russian sources like Rybar.
This is the ISW web address
https://www.understandingwar.org/publications
F-off pedo.
1. I am asking a simple question.
You haven't answered me.
You're dodging.
Whatever anybody forecasts is irrelevant.
Experience has shown a completely different outcome.
How exactly do you get that growth?
And why won't Israel continue its growth when it has done so before - even including periods of war?
2. I have answered your question.
You won't get any accurate and up to date battlefield data from an army involved in combat on that battlefield.
That is obvious.
I said use your brain instead - deduce.
I say again:
Any large scale offensive against a heavily entrenched and heavily armed enemy will entail large losses unless you have embedded traitors or the enemy has upped sticks and left.
3. Who cares who's on ISW's board and who cares who funds it?
All that matters is the accuracy of the maps they provide.
Those maps can easily be verified against alternative sources like Rybar.
If you can point to errors on those maps then please do so.
GDP growth doesn't come from reserves?
Really?
So where does it come from then according to you?
I did answer your question.
Take it or leave it.
Your choice.
No, ISW reports mean squat compared to their maps.
Maps are easily verified and virtually impossible to falsify in any believable way.
You won't go on a wild goose chase?
Verifying an ISW map against a Rybar map is a wild goose chase?
Really?
Methinks you've been drinking too much Grey Goose.
I have provided you proof.
If you won't accept it that's your choice and your problem.
Kagan clan ISW? for real, dude?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1kjvOsXwAA1tVk?format=jpg&name=large
1. Rus sat and waited for a month (out of cca two months) for azovstali cybrog supersoldiers to rot from gangrene in the Azovstal basement and crawl out on their own.
2. Everything ukies had was thrown at Bakhmut, that was liberated by Wagner and local militias mostly, not many regular Rus army there.
And stop comparing fighting Hamas with Ukie army, ffs.
And since you seem very pedantic re stat info, give us some for Rus loses aroudn Avdeevka.
Bat-Dude
If you have an accuracy problem with ISW maps then point it out.
If you can.
They are just as good as Rybar or anyone else's.
And it doesn't matter whether you like Kagan, Clarke or anyone there's commentary.
Please, plenty of Ukraine’s Azov Battalion did not leave Azovstal and Russian troops had to go get them and the hostages they were using as shields. (Hamas anyone?)
That cost bigly in blood and treasure.
So, what exactly is your point about Bakhmut?
If Russian losses at Avdiika are so important to you then find the exact numbers yourself if you can
Why must I do your leg work for you.
If you read my comment again it might penetrate that launching a large offensive against large heavily entrenched and armed positions results in heavy losses - even if you succeed.
That's exactly what Russia’s doing right now against Kiev’s positions at Avdeeka.
Use your brain.
You do have one don't you Bat-Dude?
Ah, dont have them Avdeevka loses info, just shuffling some slogans. Is it ISW slogan or sth - 'heavy rus loses at avdeeveka?
I follow attentively and i cant find the info, so I turn to you, since it seemed you had the info.
ISW have been coping hard non stop since the beginning of the SMO.
Getting better though, reality catches up eventually, i guess.
When Rus properly commit they sort out these urban combats in two-three months. Imagin the speed if they were genocidal maniacs like Zionists are..
Hamas is incomparable to NATO proxy army.
Ok, "Pal".
What specific evidence would you like?
Any would do as you have none that doesn't include huge dollops of US dollars fresh off the printing press that pauperises the rest of us with every one printed.
Keep the generalized hearsay bullshit.
You got any evidence of your "huge dollops of US Dollars"?
If you want evidence then be specific and ask for it.
Ok.
Thanks for the irrelevant bullshit Mr Little Boy Banger.
Now:
Any evidence of the "Huge Dollops" of Dollars?
To be an anti-Zionist, does that mean kill all the Jews?
Actually, if you really look this up in government records, Israel gets a measly $3 billion every year from the US. Now, compare that to the last two years with Ukraine.
LOL….So, Medicare for All? You mean like following government medical dictates that insisted you get a dangerous vax? Or perhaps you should contact some vets to see how they like their VA hospital experiences. Or actually talk to someone who lives in a country with socialized medicine.
What they don't tell you is that the money Israel gets isn't spent in Israel.
It's spent in the US largely on US arms.
What they also don't tell you is that Israel is a cheap test laboratory for the US Military.
Testing weapons in battle conditions is immensely expensive and very time consuming.
It therefore makes sense that plenty of US arms and/or their components are first tested in Israel in battlefield conditions before being used by the US itself.
Some examples:
Israel's Arrow 3 and 4 is the latest versions of the US's Patriot anti ballistic missile defense system - even though they seem to be different. The older Patriots could only shoot down ballistic missiles up to 30 km high. Arrow 3 and now Patriot can reach 100km high.
That differentiation seems to be being put aside as Arrow 4 is a openly joint effort between Israel and the US.
Iron Dome has been proven to be effective in battlefield conditions. The US Army has adopted 2 Iron Dome systems for themselves.
Both systems have been developed through joint efforts of both the US Military and IDF.
Another example is Iron Beam. On the surface it seems to be a purely Israeli effort. But that's misleading. A lot of Iron Beam's research is based on research done on high powered lasers by the US Military over decades.
The relationship between the US and Israel goes much deeper and has done so for much longer than meets the eye it would seem.
"It therefore makes sense that plenty of US arms and/or their components are first tested in Israel in battlefield conditions before being used by the US itself."
If the US actually had any of those arms left to use...
All that incredible Defensive Technology and Hamas in motorized gliders defeats it all?
Hmm , i think was a bad ideea to test them against sandal wearers without any air defence and industry . A bit like relying on money printing for wealth looks great for a while but is bad investment into the future .
You REALLY think USA gonna let Israel crumble? Big daddy comming with the $$$$. Shit I thught we were gonna get some good action outa this but Hezb have not no balls and so far NO suicide bombers. BIG thumbs down from Billy boy!
NO MORE SPANGLE = NO MORE PEDO
Once they drain out bigg daddy's wallet they can always stand ove the krauts for some ca$h. Naz 'no balls rah rah' is just all talk about help'n the Palestinans. a few rockets just ain't gonna do it.. rest of Arab world? Iranians? Looks like a now show. Once they have genocided enough ( nerver enough ) Palestinians they's crawl outs there tanks but they place'll be a sand pit. Once month in and not ONE fucking suicide bomber? That's just poor fuck'n play on Hamas' watch-should be comming outa the ground like angry aints. It's all look'n like a disappointment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMzdHYEGHdE
Cause they ( Nas to be specific ) has VERY strongly alluded to this and raised expectations in his most recent speach for one https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/3/all-scenarios-are-open-hezbollah-leader-in-first-speech-since-gaza-war for two Israeli bombing of Hezb facilities over the past month ( several -use google) . For three , good chance to reclaim Leb territory claimed by Israel. Hama's has over reached itself. Arab / muslim world not united. No economic blow back, no threats to turn off oil and gas, nothing. Civil society in west useless-no break in UK Labour Party ect, Hamas fight back hopless-big disappointment-repeat -suicide bombers should be coming outa the ground like ants. Amoured bulldozers and extreme violence will finish them just like Jenin in the 90's, Jenin now is just a colonial policing issue for Israel. Also Hez have a liberationist strain of ideolgy often obsurred by western orientalist perceptions of them as crazy muslim- Ali Shariati influence should not be discounted. Plus some one should step in to help the Gazans.
The economic burden will be considerable on such a small nation however the Israelis built a substantial capital base to support their nation longer term and if need be the populace will certainly be willing to sacrifice economically short term to destroy the hateful and barbaric organization which obviously can't be tolerated on their border. They really have no choice but to pay the bill.
No, there is no choice.
Dealing with Hamas as a negotiating partner is a failed experiment.
Time to rectify it and obliterate Hamas.
Except they are in Gaza City and squashing your scummy Ham-Ass bros a-hole.
Your scuzz bucket buddies are dying like flies.
You'd better go hold their hands before the Jews blot them in the ratholes they dug for themselves with the money they stole from their human "shields".
You know, the holes the Jews are blowing up without even having to get out their vehicles?
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But they are in Gaza and they are achieving their objectives.
And quite quickly with low losses.
Look at some maps if you want to see how fast.
And why should they get out if they can just lounge about and kill your scummy useless bros who're sitting in holes in their own excrement and hiding their coward asses behind civilians?
The Jews have never been "after" your dumb bros in Hamas.
If that was the case Hamas would be dead and gone.
Becoming worm food like they're doing now.
All they've done is blow Ham-Ass's pathetic little rockets out the sky.
When Israel did lose patience and went into Gaza - like in 2014 - Ham-Ass quickly begged for a ceasefire before they got obliterated.
So I denigrate Russia?
Really?
Where, you pathetic clown?
Dreizin, is that you?
Why don’t you watch this, so you can prove to people that you know what you’re talking about: https://youtu.be/LoWViuG5VYs?si=a04iA9LsEtYqYfwJ
Some people are so embedded in their Jew hate opinions, that they will throw up any excuse not to listen to anything else. Considering most of your responses, this apparently describes you. When someone’s opinions are so concretized, even in the wake of opposing ideas, there is really no reason to attempt to have any kind of discussion with them. You will throw up any excuse, regardless of how absurd or far fetched, in order to support your opinion.
If not obvious before it is certainly perfectly clear now. You can't appease or make peace with mind numbingly hateful, vicious religious fanatics like Hamas. They must be killed or caged if everyone else is to enjoy peace and prosperity, including peaceful Palestinians who are also victimized by Hamas if they aren't compliant.
Who advocates their enemy must be 'killed or caged' except "mind numbingly hateful, vicious religious fanatics"?
Jews, Democrats and Communists all have a policy of muddying the waters by accusing their enemies of their own crimes.
Irgun existed and was murdering Palestinians and British troops 20 years before the PLO was even created. Just who are the mind numbingly hateful religious fanatics again? The problem with reality is it always comes back to bite you. Irgun hate has begat hate on a scale they could never have even begun to imagine. And that hate is just about to gobble them up. Shoulda listened to that messiah guy 2,000 years ago that preached they should love those that hate them but all rather too late for that now the deed is done.
They bragged and promoted their massacre at Deir Yassin.
And it's no secret to those who care to look that Team Bibi have been supporting Hamas' control of Gaza for years - to prevent a unified Palestinian administration and avoid what they deludedly thought was a worst-case scenario: a real peace deal with the Pals:
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-right-hamas-gaza-palestinians/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
They were also providing material support to ISIS in Syria:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-isis/5492807
Now, that and other bad karma has come back to bite them in the ass and show them what a real worst-case scenario might involve.
As Col. MacGregor, Scott Ritter and others have pointed out, Hamas has already achieved their strategic aim of uniting the Islamic world and most of the rest of it in opposition to Israel and the US. And, despite Israeli and US neocon bluster, will likely live on in some form or other to fight another day unless a real peace deal is somehow secured (or everything goes up in WWIII).
I have a feeling in my bones that the tables are about to be overturned and if I had treated people as badly as the Palestinians have been treated by these ethno-terrorists these last 80 odd years I wouldn't be within a million miles of that place when they are overturned. They say pattern never repeats but it does tend to rhyme.
No one thought the lunatics might escape. Talk about blowback.
"If not obvious before it is certainly perfectly clear now. You can't appease or make peace with mind numbingly hateful, vicious religious fanatics like ashkeNAZI sub human filth. They must be killed or caged if everyone else is to enjoy peace and prosperity, including peaceful Palestinians who are also victimized by the ZioNAZIs if they aren't compliant."
There ya' go you cunt. Fixed it for ya'
Did you fall on hear head asshole?
Or you always been just a stupid asshole?
In English it is spelled arsehole. You're welcome. You ashkeNAZI arse licking cunt.
Don't mind him, he's our pet schizopatriot
Funny, that. Human psychology is weird. You show up in someone else's country, steal all the good property, destroy what they own, drive them out, and kill everyone who resists. Then you pen up the survivors in huge open-air concentration camps.
And that tends to make them "hateful" and "vicious". What vile perverted creatures they must be.
Mind you, treat a dog like that and he will bite you - or rip your throat out if he can.
"Cet animal est tres mechant;
Quand on l'attaque, il se defend".
They stole it huh?
Really?
You don't say.
Any evidence of that?
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/image.jpeg
I'd recommend (Israeli author) Tom Segev's 'One Palestine, Complete' history of the Mandate Period to fill in your apparent knowledge gaps.
If there were any evidence you'd pick up a book.
Do you have any evidence that they didn't?
The best write-up on what happened to the UN Partition Plan is here:
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel/view-all/
The Arabs rejected the Partition Plan so the terrorist zionists took matters into their own hands and forced the Palestinians off the land.
Thank you, I have learned something new :)
The old French witticism-"Cet animal est tres mechant; quand on l'attaque, il se defend" ("This animal is very wicked; when you attack it, it defends itself")
Problem is, we all know it, Hamas was funded, trained and supported by the US and Israel as a counterweight against the PLO. Even in 2019 a Israeli Minister went to Egypt to give them further money. The Egyptians didn't like that at all of course, the connections from Hamas to the Muslim Brotherhood are well known.
So we can argue, of course we can, that agreeing to a two state solution was a nonstarter from the beginning, nobody wants a new state with a regular army and security apparatus directly on their own borders which hates the other state. But agreeing to it in contracts and then never trying to implement it, further more basically stealing constantly land from those Palestinians, is also a nonstarter.
Israel made a lot of mistakes in the last 60 years in that region, the West also. I think the rest of the World has just enough of it. If you sign a contract, endless contracts of the Israel state with Palestine Organizations and the UN, and never try to at least hold the basics of that contract, then nobody believes you anymore.
You really think Israel can survive when all the surrounding nations now don't want to collaborate with you anymore? Before the war a lot of surrounding states had at least a working relationship with Israel, even sometimes almost friendly connections. How long will that last?
I think Israel will win, but the situation is not like 10, 20 or 40 years ago. Israel will pay a hefty price for it, you think those Hamas fighters are all moronic extremists who can't fight? We will see. I think Israel should just watch out, nobody likes lunatic extremists, and the attacks from Hamas 6 weeks ago, were unacceptable, but the attacks of Israel, the indiscriminate bombing is also unacceptable, killing thousands of children just because maybe some Hamas fighters are 1-2km next to them.
But we will see, I think you are far to positive for the outcome of this war for Israel. I was a soldier, house fighting is not a joke, its cm for cm, tunnels, mines, trap mines, trap bombs, indoctrinated and extremist fighters, that will bring a lot of problems for the Israeli fighters.
The Israelis never tried to negotiate in any form of real way with Hamas. (Not that Hamas actually wants negotiation either) it's shy Israel wanted Hamas to be the 'face of Palestine'
To obliterate Hamas by pure military means will effectively mean the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians - minimum, Israel do that they lose either way.
You can't kill a movement by military means, history shows this.
Israel did negotiate with Hamas.
What do you think a ceasefire is?
That's a negotiation isn't it?
The only problem is Hamas used those ceasefires to regroup and re-arm to attack Israel again.
So Israel learned:
No more ceasefires with Hamas.
Obliterating Hamas militarily will not mean hundreds of thousands of civilian/human shield deaths.
Not if those shields get away from Hamas.
That is exactly what Israel is facilitating right now.
Hamas is not a "movement".
It is a very bad choice.
The PA/Fatah/PLO in the West Bank offers exactly the same options without violently antagonizing Israel to such an extent that it goes to war against it.
Hamas knows this, that's why it murdered Fatah's representatives and installed its own tyranny in Gaza in 2007.
I think he addressed your point:
"Of course, the U.S. will do its best to bolster its ‘greatest ally’ with unlimited funding, as usual—but thus far, major funding continues to be held up in U.S. Congressional deadlock."
Ok, so provide evidence of the " usual unlimited funding" then.
If you can of course.
The 3.8 billion isn't the total. That's direct payments from the cucked US govt, but fund raisers, and other mechanisms are estimated to earn the ashkeNAZI filth 9 -10 billion a year.
It has never had a viable economy. Take out the 10 billion and it will be at the economic level of Somalia.
Anyway Che when it comes to cucked zioNAZI fanboys such as Cruising (isn't that what fags do?) Economist and his fuckwit twin Yeah Sure Twatever you're wasting your time. They are so far up the ashkeNAZI arses they can smell the shekels.
You're yapping complete evidence free crap again asshole.
Been sniffing your own farts again?
"blowing gas and making clouds of irrelevant paper."
Hamas is evil? Barbaric? Well, perhaps that is what one must expect of people who have lived under brutal military occupation, apartheid policies, rationed food/medicines/energy/fuel, checkpoints, midnight raids on their homes brutalizing whole families and taking their men into custody for years at a time, bulldozing homes and driving families off their lands, shooting children playing on the beaches for sport, shooting children for throwing stones - the only weapons they can manage - 70 years of ethnic cleansing and being treated like subhuman animals. If that were me living under such conditions, I would surely come to desire the death of every last fucking one of those who persecute my people. So yes, Hamas is brutal.
Over 80 years. Irgun terrorists like Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin were murdering Palestinians and British peace keeping troops well before 1948.
Their terrorist acts over the years were among the prime reasons the British backed out of the Mandate.
The zionist entity was conceived as a cancerous terrorist cell that quickly developed into a malignant tumour that spread across the Middle East and has been the source of much of the world's tensions since.
The Zionists made the Brits leave?
And here I thought their mandate ended so they handed the region over the UN.
Incredible what you learn every day huh?
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No. It was up to Britain as to when it would end the mandate. The mandate was given to Britain with the provision that it be ended when the territory could stand on its own. Britain wanted to leave because of economics (they were totally broke from the war) and because they were exhausted from the war, riots among Arabs and zionists and terrorist actions. They never actually handed the region over to the UN but decided to leave the decision as to when the mandate would end with the UN which, as a part of the Partition Plan "recommendations", the end date was suggested to be "no later than 1 August 1948". As the Brits had no more stomach for the issue, and also because the UN could not under its charter create a new state without the consent of both parties (Arabs and zionists), a civil war war broke out immediately after the Partition Plan vote. The Brits basically stepped aside and let it happen. The Brits formally left the mandate on midnight of 14 May 1948. On 15 May 1948 the zionists, without the approval of anyone outside fo the USA, unilaterally declared the creation of the state of israel, immediately triggering the First Arab-Israeli War of 1948 and of course, the Nakba.
So in the end, it is complicated. I didn't say all this before because I thought you might not be able to handle it.
Gaza was part of Egypt until 1967. The West Bank was part of Jordan until 1967. There was no issue about ‘Palestinians’ when these people lived in those countries. Why not? Because this issue has nothing to do with. ‘Palestine’ and everything to do with eliminating Israel.
No, it’s because ‘Palestinians’ were considered Egyptian, Jordanian, etc. The idea of ‘Palestinian’ arose in 1967, when Israel took over these areas. I wonder why. I also wonder why no Arab country comes to the ‘aid’ of this cause. What do they know that you don’t???
The spoils of war. You can start there in order to understand the history of this area.
Egypt legally annexed Gaza during the first Arab-zionist war in 1948 as a hedge against the zionists taking it from Arab control and shoving the Palestinians off their land as they did with the rest of Palestine. Jordan did the same with the West Bank and made Palestinians living in the West Bank full citizens of Jordan. Both annexations were internationally recognised. In 1967 the zionist entity conquered both Gaza and the West Bank, illegally seizing them from Egypt and Jordan and implementing a forced occupation. In 1988 (I believe) Jordan released the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority whilst under occupation by the zionists. The zionists began authorising illegal settlements on West Bank territory, adding significantly to the regional tensions, and continuing this policy to the present day at which time the zionists have, through these illegal settlements, gradually absorbed most of the West Bank, completely obliterating any hope of a two-state solution - which they have never intended in the first place,a s they consider all this land to be theirs anyway. The intent is the complete removal of Palestinians from what the zionists consider their God-given land, pushing them out to the surrounding nations - or killing them - as they are doing in Gaza at present.
The bottom line is that the zionist entity stole all its claimed land, forcefully removing Palestinians from their homes in 1948 (or outright killing them) and refusing to allow them to return. The children of those Palestinians continue to fight for their right to return to their ancestral homes.
Your very first sentence indicates your personal bias. ‘As a hedge against Zionists’…Britain actually gave Egypt governance of Gaza after the partition of the Ottoman Empire after WW1, and continued to occupy it until 1967. Considering the inaccuracy of your first sentence, I didn’t read the rest. Just more internet BS.
Wrong again. Britain's Palestinian Mandate ended in 1947. The Arab-zionist War followed. After the armistice signed in 1949 Egypt entered and annexed the Gaza Strip.
As for bias, you should talk.
Too bad you didn't read the rest. You might actually have learned something, but I suspect it would have upset your narrative, so I forgive you.
You can blow as much gas and make as many slogans as you want.
That is your right.
But if you blabber yourself into crossing the line into using violence against a much bigger and stronger opponent...
Then you'll get pounded into the dirt.
See how that works?
Ok Hamas is brutal.
How frightening.
That justifies nothing.
Hamas robs and murders their own people, and tries to hide their coward asses behind and underneath them.
Hamas likes to use violence to get its way.
But it crossed a blood red line on 7 October 2023.
It committed suicide when it invaded Israel and tortured, murdered, raped and kidnapped more than 1600 Israelis.
That is not forgivable and no argument under the sun can even begin to justify it.
Now greater violence that it has ever seen is being used against it and it is crapping itself and hiding in holes.
Hamas is going to die.
It deserves to die.
And good riddance to bad rubbish.
Figures were revised by the Israeli government down to 1200 - not sure where you got that 1600 figure unless it was out of your arse. Those killed were either IDF, police or civilians, most of whom were killed by friendly fire according to witnesses on the scene. Those horribly burned were most likely the victims of helicopter hellfire missiles which were fired indiscriminately at civilians running/driving away at the scene thinking they were Hamas, or of Israeli tanks who were ordered to fire into buildings that knowingly contained Hamas and captive civilians (standard Israeli policy in such cases). If Hamas raped or murdered anyone, it was at an individual militant level as battle often brings out the worst in some people - certainly it was not general Hamas policy to do that - indeed, they were ordered not to harm any civilians, esp captives.
It's more now:
According to Israel's Prime Minister's ofice as reported by ABC:
1400 initial deaths and about 3400 injuries. Add to that about 350 IDF deaths and you end up with 1750 casualties and 239 hostages.
Figures were revised to 1200?
And killed by friendly fire?
Etc.
Really?
Any proof of that?
Other than a NYT article?
The NYT has lost quite a bit of credibility after its hospital-bombing fiasco.
So, forgive me if I ask for more evidence.
Or you pulled that out your dark and stinky hole?
Hamas were ordered not to harm civilians?
Really?
So what were they doing in civilian towns and living areas?
Sightseeing?
According to Reuters, "JERUSALEM, Nov 10 (Reuters) - A spokesperson for Israel's foreign ministry said on Friday that the death toll from the Oct. 7 Hamas attack in southern Israel had been revised to around 1,200 from a previous government estimate of 1,400.
"Around 1,200 is the official number of victims of the October 7 massacre," spokesperson Lior Haiat said in a written statement.".
And that 1200 includes the IDF deaths along with any foreigners caught up in it.
Unless you have a more recent quote from an zionist government source, I suggest you admit your error and move on.
They were in civilian towns to take hostages, one of their prime goals. It is well documented now that the IDF and the air force came in with cannons blazing and in a panic wiped out many of their own plus civilians caught up in the fire.
Ok, I accept your revised estimate of 1200.
However, from the same Reuters article on 10 Nov (If it is the same article):
"The death count, which includes foreigners, "is not a final number. It (is) an updated estimate. It might change when (they) identify all the bodies," Haiat said."
Why the 1200 deaths and thousands of injuries if they were only there to take about 240 hostages?
Surely that's overkill - to put it mildly?
Have you any evidence of the orders and intention to only take hostages?
It and other articles also doesn't seem to mention IDF deaths or any deaths caused by IDF and IAF fire either.
Any evidence of that too?
You know, I keep hearing "tortured and raped" and blah blah blah
But you Jews still have not provided ANY evidence of any rapes, tortures or massacres by Hamas.
In fact, it seems like most of the people who died were either IDF soldiers or people gunned down by an IDF attack helicopter.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b111niukzt
https://youtu.be/rTQcjyhPOIk?si=qLc5LVmAUgjVfKbl
Uh oh lmao
The "beheaded babies"? Yeah turns out that was some Pissraeli land thief who's proof was "trust me bro"
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/?s=03
"Well some Jew in tacticool gear with pink eye said it so it must be true!"
The rapes? Again. I have yet to see any proof of any actual rapes. I do keep seeing interviews from Israelis around the Kipputz who note that Hamas were quite courteous and polite as far as "bloodthirsty attackers" go
https://youtu.be/rD7NI0tGbp8?si=pg-mx4NKJvfSsgjo
Released hostages have even said Hamas treated them well.
https://youtu.be/GxI_C5S6dvw?si=hjcot3ywS6yfNZ0B
Hmm
It's almost as if you're talking completely out of your ass. At this point, it seems like the IDF has killed more Israelis than Hamas lmao
No evidence of torture and rape and beheadings huh?
So, what's this then?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forensic-teams-describe-signs-torture-abuse-2023-10-15/
You forget to mention that the released hostages still have family members being held hostage. Maybe that has something to do with why they describe Ham-Ass in glowing terms?
Where exactly in your evidence does it say that a helicopter or IDF soldiers definitely gunned down anyone?
All I see is the opinion of someone that saw some dead people lying on the ground that might have been killed in a firefight.
Why do Zionists promote genocide in Gaza, for there is no doubt that this is where this is going?
Israel has made up stories of beheaded babies, mass torture, mass rape - now all debunked. It is also well-established that many of the Israeli casualties that day were the result of Israeli action, in some cases knowing that this would be the case.
Nor is resistance illegitimate to an occupying power, for it is undeniable that this is what Israel is.
I think that you want to enrage yourself, want to create a belief that the enemy are barbaric and sub-human, worthy only of extermination. This is what you want and it makes you a monster.
Have you any evidence of anything you say?
Other than your own worthless opinions of course.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b111niukzt
https://youtu.be/rTQcjyhPOIk?si=qLc5LVmAUgjVfKbl
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10
https://youtu.be/rD7NI0tGbp8?si=pg-mx4NKJvfSsgjo
:)
That is evidence?
Right.
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Looks like your Ham-Ass bros got thrown out of their Fuhrer bunkers:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-proclaims-it-has-captured-hamas-parliament-government-seat-and-police-hq/
And this sure looks like winning bro:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10yJK9qROqKa-_KevJmw-SNCUfu6pBvwJ/view?usp=drivesdk
(This is from Intel Slava Z's Telegram channel by the way)
Here's one from the ISW:
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AlE1z78l4QtMm0Fq6gTx6r3LqrX1
Maybe you should go help Hamas.
Looks like they're running out of human shields and the tunnels they built with stolen money and materials aren't working too well to stop the IDF.
The more laws they bring in to stop people boycotting the terrorist regime occupying Palestine for the last 80 years or so the more people will boycott it. The more tourists that are spat on for just going there the more the truth comes out about just what genocidal evil has taken hold there 80 years ago.
So how come more and more people have been going to Israel as tourists from across the globe despite what you say?
A huge jumble of words to describe cope. Bullshit and sub-human animal ashkeNAZI fandom isn't reality pal.
Really asshole?
Huge jumble for a half-illiterate asshole like you, you mean.
Prove anything I've said wrong.
If you can asshole.
Why are you so angry Jew boy?
For "being on constant war footing", their performance is pathetic. You just make them look even worse.
LOL good point. Thick cunts such as yeah sure he's a twat for ever aren't too sharp.
Looks like his Unit 8200 posting commission will be reduced for that slip up.
Says the poor fool with a brain as small and flat as a hockey puck.
Change your moniker to "I-Am-A-Complete-Idiot" Dimwit.
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You'd better do a lot better than that you pathetic ass-clown.
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"U R THOOPIDTH!"
- most sophisticated AshkeNAZI response
You mean that's the best response the clown in your mirror has huh?
Pathetic huh?
So why then are your Ham-Ass bros getting their stinky holes ripped out?
You think they should take more drugs to make them feel better about crying and crapping themselves when the Israelis bust a cap in their asses?
You'll have to do a lot better than that you pathetic ass-clown.
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Fuck you pedo.
And yet Ukraine is competing with Israel for the biggest welfare recipient recently, that's quite a similarity. I'd love to see your state function while being sanctioned by US instead of the current pampering. As for tunnels, it's only fair for you to get a taste of the medicine the russian armed forces endured in regards to propaganda. Mockery of your forces that would rather kill civilians a hundrefold over losing 1 soldier while hiding behind armor, all the while being known for employing Hannibal Directive (striking your own forces to avoid kidnaping) is not insanity, it's par for the course.
The rudeness in the comments isn’t very helpful.
Actually, having a comment area full of spammy crap deters people from supporting or even coming back. There's an economic argument for ending this posthaste.
Nice words. It will be funny to see you eat them when the state called Israel is under oil sanctions by neighbouring states. When the state called Israel is treated as Gaza has been treated.
The state called Israel is NOT Israel. It is an abomination, a heresy. A stain, that will soon come out in the wash.
But the bloodstain of what was done to Gaza will be Judaism's Lady MacBeth's hands for generations to come.
Make your noises about GDP. You impress nobody.
Oh, FUCK OFF with your fucking anti-Semitism, you racist shitbag scum.
You are not Nordic, not Pagan, and not a Soldier.
The rest of your commentary is as valuable as your false advertising.
You'd better look at Israel's energy economy.
It exports gas to countries like Egypt.
It imports almost no oil from "neighboring countries" and can easily do without that oil or get it elsewhere if it has to.
Those countries can and have had sanctions for decades on Israel.
It means absolutely squat.
Stain huh?
Fools have been trying to remove that "stain" for 75 years now, and they keep on losing and they will keep on losing.
Your scummy bros in Ham-Ass crossed a blood red line when they invaded Israel and murdered, kidnapped and raped Israelis.
For that they are gonna die like the cowardly rats they are.
I don't have to impress anyone.
Least of all you.
I'm stating facts.
Take it or leave it.
If you cannot prove me wrong then...
So sad.
Too bad.
Listen up shitstain, my Kibbutz knows EXACTLY what went down on Oct 7th.
Lets review:
1000 dead Israelis, just under half caused by IDF atrocities.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESqmADgbEJI
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/11/03/the-left-as-israels-sacrificial-lamb/
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This was a long-planned genocide and ethnic-cleansing, envisaged even in the 1880s: https://www.amazon.com/Gun-Olive-Branch-Violence-Middle/dp/1560254831
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The Zionazis - just like yourself - left the Gazans with no other choice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcIypi7yBdI
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And your arrogance is entirely misplaced. The state called Israel is a flea-bite of a country, propped up entirely by Western Imperialism and colonialism.
Take a good look at what has happened to Ukraine, for how much that is worth.
You are on the wrong side of History, pal.
This is NAZISM: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/orthodox-jews-assaulted-by-israeli-police-officers-in-jerusalem/ar-AA1jewH2
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10152181845836104
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/11/01/endangered-and-dangerous-israel-endangering-jews/
You have already lost. You believe you can permanently sit on the tip of a sword, but the diaspora Rabbis are wiser than you Zionazis will ever be.
F-Off pedo
So, Asswipe-Butthole-Brain
Which Kibbutz is that?
Zionists act as if Jews haven't lived among Muslim Empires for centuries with few if any problems.
I can't speak for all, but for many, myself included, the vision of Palestine is one of inclusiveness between Muslims, Christians and Jews as existed for hundreds of years after the Crusades
Well, why be so defensive, man? Israel is a great little country but without U.S. funding of billions a year for military supplies, it would be very vulnerable no matter how well trained its soldiers would be. War costs money, a lot of money. So it only makes sense that Israel's economy will suffer to finance its conflict. I favor global peace but the globalists create the conditions of dividing and conquering, we, the global citizenship.
NO MORE IDIOTS = NO MORE STUPID COMMENTS.
So, when you jumping out a high window Mr Moloch worshipping Little Boy Banger?
NO MORE IDIOTS = NO MORE STUPID COMMENTS.
So, when you jumping out a high window Mr Moloch worshipping Little Boy Banger?
Ah...
Israel spends +- $24 billion per annum on its military.
You're telling me if the US suddenly decides not to spend $3.8 billion per annum on Israel, Israel would suddenly cease to exist?
Maybe not.
Fuck you little boy banger
Fuck you pedo.
Israel would be so vulnerable without US military supplies....
Right.
Is that the 3.8 billion out of an annual Israeli Military budget of 23.6 billion?
Or did you have something else in mind "Man"?
Mr Spangle: You don't advance your narrative by being so repetitive. It's counter productive. Can't you just be reasonable?
I already know the protocols of Elders of Zion. I guess you have gone mad. They fucked you up real good. lol
You're wasting your time with this idiot.
Just block the dumb numbskull.
Lol, he's a one track mind on repeat like the dog on a bone. It reminds me of the fragility of the human mind.
Without the U.S. Israel would not exist. It's that simple, man. I don't know how it happened that the U.S. became Israel's big bitch but it is. That's why the tin can U.S. fleets are nearby to bail out Israel if they need it. Nothing new here, dude.
F-off pedo.
Without the US Irael wouldn't exist and the US is Israel's bitch?
I wouldn't be too sure of that.
If that were the case then US troops should be fighting in the existential war Israel is in right now in Gaza and on its borders with Lebanon and Syria.
So where are those US troops?
Why are there only Israelis there?
Israel is not facing an existential threat right now. I suspect that the Hamas incursion with those lawnmower engined parachutes (lol) barely making it over the fences may very well have been a false flag event like 9/11 to give Bibi a political boost just enough to wipe out Gaza and make way for the theft of more oil reserves offshore etc. The IDF has the situation under control but I can guarantee you that any encroachment by an enemy with real force on Israeli soil sufficient to threaten the state, the US will mobilize and engage combat. I suspect the US military is slightly reluctant to be agressive right now because they're spread out thinly with limited ammo. lol What a shitshow divide and conquer maneuvre from the puppeteer controllers. It's all become a deadly farce with ww3 implications and the take-down of western civilization as we know it. You will have nothing and be happy, right? lol
I'll only address a few points.
A decent answer will require much more space than is available to me.
I don't agree that Israel isn't facing an existential threat.
Hamas states in its charter that the destruction of Israel is its main objective.
It has now tried to turn that into practice.
A suicidal attempt, but an attempt nevertheless.
And for that it's being obliterated.
You might be right about the false flag.
The whole show seems too pat and an excuse to use the IDF to anihilate Hamas in Gaza and install the PA/PLO/Fatah - the West Bank crowd that got kicked out of Gaza by Hamas in 2007.
I'm not sure how this is going to turn out for Bibi though.
So far it doesn't look too good for him.
He's getting blamed for this debacle.
For years he's been fostering Hamas and letting it establish itself in Gaza as well as the West Bank and Lebanon.
That's like keeping a scorpion in your pocket.
Now the scorpion stung him and he's realizing he's made a big mistake.
But, if anything, he's a survivor.
He'll probably survive this too.
I'm pretty sure Israel's military will handle this problem without the US needing to step in.
To my mind US forces in the region will only step in if Iran or its proxies try to be funny and overwhelm Israel and I don't think that suits Iran's slowly slowly catchee monkey approach.
I wouldn't sell the US military short too much.
I remember the serious ass-kicking Wagner and its Syrian bros got at Deir Ez Zor in Syria a few years ago.
And as far as I remember that was only using about 50 troops while hundreds of enemies got killed and without using much ammo.
The above original poster must be Dreizin or one of his sheeple.
The above economic analysis is crap for several reasons:
1) Analyzing GDP growth for a nation with a massive currency account deficit is pretty dumb. In 2022, Israel had a trade deficit of $34 billion vs. a GDP of $522 billion, or about 6.5% deficit. This more than offsets the ~$3 billion of US aid each year.
2) On top of the existing $34 billion in trade deficit, Israel had a $6 billion deficit just in October 2023. Some of this is the usual trade deficit but most of it isn't.
3) Israel is also certainly consuming a lot more things that it must import like oil for armored vehicle/airplane fuel during this offensive - so even the outright commodity trade deficit is going to expand.
4) The above author focused on tourism being a short term hit - this is highly suspect analysis since the presumption is that everything will be over quickly.
5) The above author also completely ignores the impact of 300K reservists pulled out of Israel's work force, plus the literal evacuation of both North and South Israel. Israel's work force in 2022 was 4.1 million people; 300K is 7.3% of Israel's workforce no longer on the job, plus some unspecified number thrown out of work from evacuated kibbutzim, absent tourism, etc etc. Consider this a direct impact on GDP of at least 7.3% of Israel GDP which would be $38 billion.
But then again, Dreizin is such a numbskull that he would never admit that he doesn't know jack about economics much as the above author does not.
Even when the $14 billion subsidy from the US finally arrives - the fact is that it is not clear how much of the ongoing economic drain on Israel will be offset i.e. how many months of Israel economic shortfall can be bought up with printed American dollars. Let's not forget that the bombing and early stage assault costs money too.
Ukraine's GDP in 2021 was ~$200 billion, and the outright cash subsidy replacement of much of its internal economic activity plus its war spending is supposedly costing $60 billion a year. Israel's GDP is 2.6 times bigger than Ukraine 2021 meaning a comparable economic replacement would cost $156 billion a year - meaning a comparable Israel war deficit and economic hit as Ukraine's would eat up $14 billion in about a month. Impossible to say without a much more detailed dive as to whether Israel's commitment in Gaza is significantly greater than Ukraine's in the SMO, but it isn't 10x more or 1/10th as much. It likely isn't even 3x more or 1/3 as much - meaning the drain on Israel's economy is extremely significant.
Not to mention that regardless of the outcome of this particular campaign, genocide is very bad brand management that will have a long term impact. RoW (including much of the non-elite westerners) will likely boycott or least resist Israeli goods (including diamonds and pharmaceuticals) for years to come. The tourist trade will dip from greater awareness of the Zionist injustices and legitimate fears of violence. The arms trade will dry up as the weapons are shown to be as crap as all the NATO weaponry.
And if Iran/Iraq/Syria/?Turkey-Azeri? can force a full Arab blockade of oil/food sales for more than a few months, then Israel turns into Lebanon with far worse brand image.
If Israel were to win in Gaza ( a big if ):
1) diamond trade - the European boycott of Russian diamonds probably helps Israel, if Israel is at "peace".
2) tourism - I think most of the tourism, certainly from an absolute dollar amount, is from the West anyway. I don't see a lot of Arabs visiting Israel but could well be wrong (Al Aqsa). I was seeing A LOT of ads to be a tourist in Israel prior to 10/7...
3) Arms trade: Israel's primary arms trade export is cyber security. I don't see that changing.
4) Oil embargo: this is the one area which Israel is extremely vulnerable, but India's ongoing support means the most likely outcome of an embargo is Russian oil bought by India then resold to Israel. The Arab nations certainly would not be able to make a physical embargo stick unless the US stops supporting Israel (not bloody likely). Food - the US and EU could easily support Israel.
I would imagine Israel being conquered/civil warred into Lebanon much more easily than Israel becoming Lebanon due to pure economic sanctions.
I take your point about the West and the Arab world, but RoW also encompasses Russia, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Latin America, etc. Diamond engagement rings is a must have for affluent Chinese urbanites. I imagine many may now consider rubies, sapphires, and jadeite mined in SE Asia instead. I could see a similar trend elsewhere as wearing luxury items associated with Israel become declasse.
For tourism, again I think there are lots of non-Arab tourists who may rethink Israel now. There are a lot of people who were on the borderline before (queasy about Israel but "it's so interesting" and "both sides are to blame") and may now resist because it would be so tasteless. Israel is not a beach vacation to relax to, it's a luxury signifier for a certain upper middle class people to show their sophistication. Brand tarnish can really hurt the trade. The other component is that older westerners have warm fuzzies over the old Labourite Israel whereas younger Westerners are much more anti-Zionist, so Israel's customer base is dying off.
I am aware of the various Israeli spyware companies, but doesn't the purported massive intelligence failure of October 7 put a lie to their purported effectiveness? Unless they openly admit that it was a false flag from the start, I imagine it compromises the value of these products. I believe Israel also does a lot of business in crowd suppression tech...we'll see about that.
I admit that I'm speculating and it all depends on people's memory being bett
There is some demand in the World Majority but I think it is pretty small compared to the relatively much more wealthy per capita West. This report says the US alone is half the world diamond market: https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/diamond-market
I'm sure there is significant purchasing in China, but it isn't clear to me how big a market it is in absolute terms vs. the US and Europe (West overall) right now.
On the travel side: As I said, my impression is that Israel wants rich Western tourists - not poor 2nd and 3rd world ones but I haven't looked deeply into the subject. In the former case, it isn't clear that "tarnish" is possible for the evangelical or overseas Zionist types.
As for cybersecurity: NSO is nothing compared to the big Israeli cybersecurity companies. This article shows the startup company landscape: https://jewishbusinessnews.com/2021/02/07/israeli-superpower-see-map-of-more-than-120-largest-cyber-companies-in-2021/
These companies raise literally billions every year in funding. In addition, Check Point is basically an Israeli company while many of the other existing big companies have bought or are otherwise significantly staffed by Israelis (ex unit 8200 types).
Don't confuse border security with cyber security.
Thanks, I will read the articles you linked to. I agree that RoW is still fairly small in the luxury travel and diamond jewelry consumer base, but then again I have also seen Chinese tourists crowd European cities in their thousands. And while RoW seemed to be finally growing economically, the Western customer base is in decline due to high energy costs, high housing costs, and medical/education costs in the US. This is even hitting the upper end of the middle class (I am friends with a couple who are well known in our circle as adventurous world travelers, but they had to completely curtail all travels to pay full tuition and room/board at an expensive private college for their only child.)
There are some wealthy rapture ready Christian Zionists around, but that population is not growing. Seeing genocide on TV and Internet will also push the borderline cases.
I wasn't thinking of failure of Israeli border security but Israeli signal intelligence. If we take what they claim to be true, then it wasn't very good because they missed a massive operation that Egyptians and Americans picked up on. But I suppose spying on employees and customers is the low hanging fruit for these companies so you're right on this point. Israeli companies have a advantage because they have plenty of practice and don't need to sweat any ethical considerations.
Indian shipments would have to go through the Suez Canal and Russia seems to be more decisively tilting towards Palestinians. So India may not be allowed to resell Russian oil the way it's done with the EU. Also, while Modi and thirsty Indian Tweeters are strongly pro-Zionists because they like genociding Muslims, I believe the Indian populace is more ambivalent, thus the labor unions' (including BJP aligned ones) to not supply Indian laborers to Israel.
And as for the EU, they don't really have oil to spare and the governments are very shaky as is.
We shall see. I am just speculating as I definitely don't think I have particular insight into the future.
It would be awfully difficult for Russia to tell India to obey Russian sanctions (assuming this is even possible which I doubt) but to not obey European ones.
India is also conspicuously not with the rest of the World Majority in the Israel/Gaza issue.
As for the EU - the size of Israel is so small that it really doesn't matter one way or the other to the EU. Small enough that there's no problem for the EU to hurt its population more in order to support Israel.
Even if Egypt were to close the Suez canal to oil shipments to Israel (another thing which I mightily doubt), there is no issue with oil tankers going the way through the Straits of Gibraltar much as Russian oil has at least partly avoided European transit zones.
So no, I can't say that I see a seller's embargo being very likely to hurt Israel in the short run.
Now that Russia's finances are anchored up and as it's moving closer to China and Iran, it may have very good reasons to be less generous to India. I believe India is still playing games with giving Russia the ability to use the "payments" it received for selling Indians discounted Russian oil.
Yes, EU can starve it's citizenry to pamper Israel, but the cost of shipping oil from a long distance and under hostile conditions, will be different from getting cheap Azeri oil and gas from nearby. Particularly as oil refinery is a major Israeli industry.
Okay, I am probably exaggerating by saying Israel will become Lebanon immediately, but I think brand erosion plus partial sanctions will hurt it a lot in the longer term, even if the US continues to bail it out in the short run. The US and the EU have their own economic crises and rebellious populaces to deal with. At some point, they may even have to give up their Zionist linchpin in West Asia.
Any sources for the numbers you quote?
According to Trading Economics, Israel ran a surplus of 4.163 billion USD on its current account in the 2nd quarter of 2023 and has been in surplus since about 2003.
Trade deficits don't seem too important when that is considered.
https://tradingeconomics.com/israel/current-account#:~:text=Israel%20recorded%20a%20Current%20Account,the%20second%20quarter%20of%201994.
Currency account is not trade account.
You do understand the difference, right?
The reason Israel has a positive currency account is mostly because of the US aid transfers, both direct from the US government and indirect from various sources like dual citizenship Israelis. Nor is the US the only giver of aid to Israel - various European countries also give a lot of aid, just less than the US. Here's a link on annual aid amounts up until 2014: https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/questions/how-much-international-aid-does-israel-receive/
Note the enormous numbers. Israel GDP in 2014 was only $314B meaning the foreign aid received was literally 1% of GDP that year.
It is actually extremely unusual to have a large trade deficit *and* a significant positive currency account balance but all is possible when multiple billions in cash is given for free every year.
As for sources: just google. This isn't super secret squirrel data.
Yes I do understand the difference Oh One-Clever-In-His-Own-Mind.
I also understand that currency account movements are meaningless minor annoying accounting distractions when compared to the current account and are pretty irrelevant economically.
I also don't see you backing up the statements you make with much evidence.
I do however see you twisting yourself into pretzels making weird assumptions to suit your narrative.
Finally, why must I Google?
Why must I do your legwork for you?
You make the statement, you back it up.
See how that works?
LOL nice confusion of trade and currency account yet again.
No Dimwit.
No confusion.
Just pointing out that you're blabbering irrelevant nonsense.
Unit 8200 shows up first, runs it’s mouth yet fails to convince
All in a days work...
Israeli knuckle-draggers like Bibi are drawing all reasoned Israelis into the inferno. Without the U.S. and less-so Europe, Israel cannot survive long term.
Cheerleading notwithstanding.
Have you any evidence of that?
Despite your wishful thinking.
F-off Pedo.
F-Off pedo.
“ If it was any NATO army doing what Russia is currently doing, they would be celebrated and wreathed with glory, ”
- I urge you to read western analyses of NATO aggression 1999. on Yugoslavia and to see how NATO underperforms!
E.g. for 78 days of “air superiority” they manage to destroy 8 of 300 Serbian tanks.
If you wish I can make you a list of western analysis of that war. First one to read is RAND analysis…
For 78 days of “precision” bombardment they kill 1005 soldiers and more than 3000 civilians!
I’m a student who has recently come back from a solo trip to front line Ukraine. I’ve just published a new piece on my experiences and thought readers here may appreciate it. Please do see what you think. https://irongoose.substack.com/
Why does Simplicius say 70-80k in the initial invasion? Were the rest Donbas units, Rosgvardia, etc? I thought the consensus was around 120-190k in the initial invasion?
70 - 90k in the initial offensive is about right. We need to keep in mind that while the original SMO was done 'on the cheap' and miscalculated, its original intent was to knock out the Kiev regime, not occupy all of Ukraine. The actual composition (and number) of the original force was in complete contrast to the western narrative, and blatant lie, that the intention was to roll over the whole country.
It was to force or give incentive to negotiate. When that seemed to succeed, Russia responded, showing the intent was in-fact negotiated settlement - backed by a will to use force if necessary. Russia miscalculated in thinking there was a negotiating partner in Ukraine. NATO miscalculated in thinking Russia was bluffing and that Russia was not the failed country and glorified gas station it told itself Russia was. Russia adjusted. So far the West hasn't.
Lol. We get it. You hate Jews. But “screaming” your little cut and pastes is boring. You look like a fool with nothing real to say. In fact, you’re totally predictable. I expect nothing more than unsophisticated blather about me sucking Hebe cock all in CAPS as a response. Grow the fuck up and do please try to move out of your mommy’s basement.
That is probably a more accurate way of putting it, actually. The attitudes have hardened since though. While there is merit in the argument that Zelensky is probably the best asset the Kremlin has, Moscow definitely wants the whole Kiev regime obliterated now. That hardening of attitude also appears to have filtered down through the ranks as even Russians in the field are becoming sickened at the way Kiev is pushing its own citizens into the meat grinder.
70k-80k were actual Russian army troops - the rest were LDPR and possibly some Rosguardia like the Chechens.
The Israelis will come out of this richer and stronger than before. They will milk the US treasury for all that its worth and politicians from both the senate and the house will literally fall over themselves to see who can prostrate themselves the most. They play the US-lobby game better than anyone else.
Whats your timeline on Avdeevka? I think by end Feb at the latest it should be done and dusted. On the other hand, the stuff coming out of Kiev appears more and more unhinged. When I saw that "actually the counter offensive was a psy op" video I was 100% sure it was a meme video made by Pro-Ru accounts... till it actually turned out to be a real Ukr video. I still can't believe it.
Israel will certainly try, but the problem is that a comparable financial support as is being given to Ukraine would be a truly enormous number. Israel's GDP is 2.6 times bigger than Ukraine's meaning comparable support would require 2.6 times more money. Note this is despite Israel being a far smaller population (1/5th the size of Ukraine).
If the US Congress and Biden are having problems passing $60 billion for Ukraine - would they really be able to easily pass $156 billion for Israel? Especially after so much has already been appropriated for Ukraine?
Not so clear to me.
They would pass $1tr. I have no doubt about that.
No they wouldn't. It would stick a shiv into the US economy, creating that much phony money in one shot.
Like anyone in Israel or in Congress cares.
Election coming up for 100% of the House and 33% of the Senate. And that pesky Presidential one. People will care - the Fed is already twitchy on interest rates. Inject another trillion of inflated currency into the world and that would provoke more hikes, almost as a matter of course.
Yup. Ever seen re-election rates for Congress?
I do have enormous doubts about passing $1 trillion.
The US economy is already in the midst of a major inflation shock. Another $1 trillion printed to support foreigners would not exceed the massive Biden spending but would very visibly increase it.
To put these numbers in perspective: the entire budget of these departments are under $100B per year:
(Note USAGM is the new name of the Broadcast Board of Governors, the media arm of the US regime change deep state. USAID is here as well. Dept. of Interior includes nukes under the Department of Energy which itself is part of DOI)
Department of the Interior (DOI)
$93,947,237,825
Department of State (DOS)
$84,030,814,474
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
$84,030,467,898
Corps of Engineers - Civil Works (USACE)
$81,515,865,448
Department of Labor (DOL)
$78,274,008,385
Department of Justice (DOJ)
$70,658,701,950
General Services Administration (GSA)
$58,949,313,880
Agency for International Development (USAID)
$49,766,278,370
Small Business Administration (SBA)
$42,065,679,353
National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
$33,087,140,706
Railroad Retirement Board (RRB)
$17,606,603,359
Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
$13,132,568,821
National Science Foundation (NSF)
$11,100,328,682
U.S. International Development Finance Corporation (DFC)
$8,369,434,092
Farm Credit System Insurance Corporation (FCSIC)
$7,380,700,919
Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC)
$4,323,595,213
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB)
$3,570,960,643
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
$3,306,808,101
Corporation for National and Community Service (CNCS)
$3,260,074,949
Executive Office of the President (EOP)
$1,511,792,057
Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)
$1,166,838,685
Government Accountability Office (GAO)
$1,053,336,708
Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Trust Fund (PCORTF)
$1,012,189,599
U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM)
$1,011,190,622
National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
$941,829,801
Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC)
$736,005,787
Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)
$686,096,157
Gulf Coast Ecosystem Restoration Council (GCERC)
$668,161,539
Presidio Trust (PRESIDIO)
$642,750,275
Export-Import Bank of the United States (EXIM)
$594,623,144
Peace Corps (PC)
$547,444,088
Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
$494,262,805
District of Columbia Courts (DC COURTS)
$423,784,883
Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency (CSOSA)
$382,226,703
Federal Permitting Improvement Steering Council (FPISC)
$359,377,692
Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS)
$321,447,686
National Labor Relations Board (NLRB)
$310,926,010
Armed Forces Retirement Home (AFRH)
$290,869,821
Northern Border Regional Commission (NBRC)
$274,138,267
National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH)
$254,847,318
National Endowment for the Arts (NEA)
$228,962,193
I didnt say it would be a good idea, I just think the Israelis are that powerful. Happy to be wrong
I don't agree but I could certainly be wrong.
The thing is: if I am wrong - it is time to move out of the US...
Good article, Simply!
Re Israel-Gaza, I think Syria is the one to watch in all of this. Most people (who paid any attention) understood Iran's influence on the Iraq War. That said, most were unaware of Syria's influence, and it has a serious list of scores to settle with Israel. Portraying Assad as a one-dimensional, comic book villain, in the same way Putin is caricatured, would be foolish but he may well take the opportunity for a reglement de compte.
Isn’t socialist Zionism a Jewish branch of national socialism?
“The kibbutzim themselves, held up as ‘the essence of the socialist-Zionist ideal of collectivism and egalitarianism,’ are fast falling victim ‘to the pursuit of individual fulfillment’.”
It's pretty horrifying that a pregnant woman would be on the front lines.
Better scan her belly in case the babbins has a shooter.
The US Army deploys women into theater as part of support units. While none are 11B infantry, they can be 25-series comms and computer people, and thereby end up fairly close to the front lines.
Women are always a minority of those deployed. The term is "queen for a year", meaning that while in the US they were say a 5, in theater they are a 7 or 8. The women tend to like the attention. A lot end up pregnant and are rotated back early for this reason.
Extrapolate this to the Uke situation, the woman may not have been pregnant when she was inducted into their forces. Extrapolating further from their obvious incapacity or unwillingness to evacuate severely wounded people, perhaps they decided not to evacuate her, which resulted in her capture.
yah, horrible. and in Russian the soldier asks her - what did you forgot here??! like WTF
Zelensky is up to some REALLY f-ed up sh-t
funny how quick the hasbara flood the internet forum and websites with their usual 1) low level insulter / smear jobs 2) concern troll spreading FUD hidden beneath pretend concern 3) high level polite hasbara who tried to skew the discussion based on made up facts 4) the 'poison the well' hasbara who pretend to be anti israeli but constantly post hilarious anti jew conspicary nonsense
Can’t fool a smart guy like you though, right?
🤪
There is nothing like a little FullSpectrumDominance when it comes to trying to hoodwink goyim
I suppose every tribe, culture and society has its fair share of rotten apples. My only request as an American citizen it’s to not allow them in our government and please can we stop sending money and weapons
Why are vehicles moving during day on roads?
Instead of during the night?
Of course Iran is in the driver's seat now. It is "driving" with BRICS. The global order that made the US the sole superpower has shifted.
The Israel/Palestine conflict plays into BRICS goals and objectives.
PS: Can a drone hunt and kill enemy drones?
Especially cheap FPV drones?
Are such drones possible and being manufactured?
PS2: Simplicius: I think that "Clarence Wilhelm Spangle" troll should be banned from commenting on this site.
I second this idea. The Spangle troll is an insultato this community here.
Odakle ste Zdenko? Lijepi pozdravi
Yes, an FPV drone can hunt and kill an enemy drone OPERATOR (not the drone itself). This is actually a huge problem for Ukraine right now because Russia has figured out how to home in on the controller's signal, so they're losing a lot of their most experienced FPV drone guys.
Thank you - I missed this angle..
“What's the matter, dawg? You embarrassed?
This guy's a gangster? His real name's Clarence
And Clarence lives at home with both parents
And Clarence's parents have a real good marriage
This guy don't wanna battle, he's shook
'Cause ain't no such things as half-way crooks”
B Rabbit, Unit 4100
I'd be willing to bet operational pacing by the Israelis is by design. They've got Hamas in N Gaza cut off and largely immobilized which means the Israelis enjoy all substantive initiative. It will be interesting to see what they choose to do next. Flood the tunnels perhaps?
"They've got Hamas in N Gaza cut off and largely immobilized"
Bullshit. You conveniently forget about underground. Your hard on for ashkeNAZI sub-human filth is draining the blood from your brain.
Given that Hamas isn't stupid and understands that its only advantages are fighting in its own territory (an urban hellscape), it is not at all clear what you are trying to say.
Hamas was never going to engage in a battle of maneuver. What you are describing is the equivalent of saying that hyenas surrounding a badger lair have the advantage.
Can't say I agree.
I disagree with your fundamental premise. All evidence indicates Hamas is composed of mind numbingly vicious imbeciles. I served as a professional soldier and readily recognize their utter lack of competence, which should be obvious to all I would think.
If Hamas is mind numbing incompetent, what does that make Israel and its literally historic losses on 10/7? Super mind numbing incompetent?
As for your being a professional soldier: was it as a Western troop working under air supremacy and massive advantages in Intel, money, equipment etc?
If so, perhaps your experience is not really informative on the different situation and challenges faced by insurgents.
Hamas is like some vicious little nitwit with the foresight of a puppy dog that sucker punches somebody much more capable and then, predictably, gets pounded into the ground. Operationally this situation is not hard to evaluate, at all. However you are obviously hopelessly prejudiced so just believe whatever it is you want to believe. I won't be responding again.
You still didn't answer my question: If Hamas is "some vicious little nitwit with the foresight of a puppy dog that sucker punches somebody much more capable" - this is contradictory with the notion of capability. It isn't like Israel has not been shooting Palestinians continuously for the last 2 generations.
Nor am I very impressed with your attempt to portray me as "hopelessly prejudiced" when it is you that is refusing to answer reasonable questions.
It seems more that you are more projecting than discussing.
I think you answered a question I have. It looks to me like the Muslim world will let Israel kill all the remaining Palestinians without taking any effective military action against Israel. But perhaps they're giving Israel more rope to hang themselves. For the entirety of the occupation the Muslim world has shamelessly used the Palestinians without providing significant assistance. So I am skeptical that the Muslim world will take direct action to save the Palestinians.
Israel will kill or cage all remaining Hamas in due course, not Palestinians obviously.
"For the entirety of the occupation the Muslim world has shamelessly used the Palestinians without providing significant assistance."
That is bullshit. The entirety? What about Hizbollah? What about Syria? What about Iraq under the Barth Party? And much more that has been subtle and not on the surface.
I suspect that the main role of the septics is to keep Ooh-aah Hezbollah quiet, which seems to be working.
If any move were to be made, i'd expect it to be a prepared one. Logistically, things don't happen in internet timeframes.
I hope not and fear so.
What the situation looks like to me is that the Muslim world, plus the rest of the World Majority, are letting Israel destroy any and all good will remaining towards it along with destroying the US'.
Once that is accomplished, any number of actions are possible ranging from direct intervention a la Russia in Syria, to an oil embargo, to who knows what else.
Most of the leaders of thenMuslim world are trying desperately not to get involved.
Unfortunately for them, they have their populations attitudes to consider.
As one of the articles points out the Israeli economy wasn't doing very well before the genocide. The insane Israeli behavior isn't going to help it now. You don't pull 300k reservists out of the work force and expect it to be a positive result. Tourism, forget it. Boycotts of Israeli products, everywhere. If the Arabian call for a embargo on Israeli goods coming and going takes hold, it's bye-bye.
Israel's economy:
Reuters: Israel economy: Gaza war sends economy into the unknown
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/existential-shock-war-sends-israeli-economy-into-unknown-2023-10-24/
Israel’s war economy is working—for the time being
The longer the conflict lasts, the greater the pressure
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/10/26/israels-war-economy-is-working-for-the-time-being
Israel’s Economy Takes Hit From War, But Shows Signs of Resilience
Tourism and commerce bearing the brunt of the economic effect
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israels-economy-takes-hit-from-war-but-shows-signs-of-resilience-8d8cab20
Indeed. I wrote up the work force impact above and also noted just how much more expensive an Ukraine level support for Israel would be.
It's even worse than that because Israel relies on a LOT of imported labor from abroad, and a lot of those folks have left and gone back home. Money's good, but nobody wants to risk getting killed just for a housekeeping job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AeAfFfTqMk&ab_channel=GeopoliticalEconomyReport
Interesting interview from Michael Hudson. He believes the US wanted war with Iran for a long time and will use this opportunity to attack them. Hence the military build-up, and the support for Israel's escalation is bait for Iran.
Dr. Hudson is a great economist, but he is an awful political or any other type of analyst.