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Not again ! Yet more spam.

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What you appear not to be taking into account is the the AFU has been harnessed by powers outside their nation to do bidding that is not in their interest (to put it mildly) At come point the agit’prop wears off and they are left with the stark reality that they have been used. Add to the undeniablitity of their losing badly.

So yeah RF forces are in a great position top have much better esprit de corps.

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Chevrus's avatar

So hypothetical as to be relatively meaningless, but sure…

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Clearly Zelya and his handlers did not read Mao.

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Anna's avatar

His handlers are full of supremacist lunacy that takes them far and wide, and then "kaboom!" In the future, no more holobiz museums for them. Humanity has learned about the sadistic and supremacist tribe the hard way.

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2nd lot of spam today

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Steghorn21's avatar

You eat my wife's meals too?

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

May the US/NATO cabal burn in hell for ruining peace in our time.

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abcdefg's avatar

Lol, they have been poisoning our food since WWII. It's called modern agriculture

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Globetrotter's avatar

This is yet more spam. Every time they post the same words, always a different name, always a 'like'.

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HBI's avatar

Always clickbait also. I refuse to click anything that is teasing me to do so.

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Dick Minnis's avatar

Please differentiate between Neo-Cons and those Americans who have opposed the insanity of NATO expansion. Yes, US policy is to blame but not all Americans supported that policy.

Dick Minnis removingthecataract.substack.com

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

Sorry Dick, but after 70 years of this shit, 'the Americans who oppose the insanity' are gonna have to do a shit ton more to stop it or they get thrown on the pile.

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John Galtsky's avatar

"Russia is fighting Ukraine, not America/West directly"

No. This is a war the US started against Russia. Over 100,000 US military personnel participate full time in this war.

The US started this war but Russia will finish it on Russia's terms. You can see that in the way Trump talks when he lets slip his full understanding that Russia is holding the cards and the US has failed to dominate Russia, which it must do to win its war on Russia.

It was a really stupid idea for the US to start a war against a nuclear power that will not back down but will fight to the death.

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sandor's avatar

They are losing, and now crying for the money they lost.

Typical Western mentality.

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Maria macha's avatar

Bravo!

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Bash's avatar

Kellogg was right when he said that Russia is not the kind of country you want to be getting into a fight with.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

Some of us who have ACTUALLY STUDIED WORLD HISTORY know this but the militaristic, flag waving, fake plastic morons have been in control of US foreign policy from the Reagan and Clinton administrations to the present totally ignored people who knew better, especially in 2014. The US foreign policy establishment is an echo chamber that has consisted of nothing but the children of the very wealthy, rich nihilistic business types, the children of fascist eastern Europeans and Jews (They conned American elites into thinking that they are Russian and eastern European experts because they speak foreign languages and have funny surnames.), and "Ivy League" and Stanford flag waving morons.

Sorry but I'm so mother fucking angry at US elites.... Back during the 1960s and 1970s, the "hippies" were right about a few things and one of those things was US foreign policy.

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Mr. Immutable's avatar

Nice strawman argument.

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Il faut savoir ~'s avatar

Hubris will continue and egos won't be satisfied until it comes home to the USA, but Americans have had no voices for a long time and now are speaking up, so neo-cons are retreating. This retreat however is not enough, they must be destroyed and the USA back to "no foreign excursions" and mind your own country. Russia was never the foe, it is within the US that the foes reside and from where they've done so much damage to the entire world with their regime change and manipulation. Beware of the wounded dogs now of Europe and UK because a cornered animal might do the unthinkable. Russia, end the war and show us the way to peace, you, who has lost so much to all past wars!

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

Russia will not agree to a quick "peace". She will make peace on her own time. "ukraine" needs to be completely neutered first. That is in process.

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I can tell you, because I am old enough to be able to record it -- I generally was about 5 years ahead of the trend. Meaning I was always out of it. But if you are an analyst, five years is nothing. You see the bones under the skin. Child's play. This is why I so love the most highly rational, calm and fact-based of the podcasters.

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The US government exists for the people by the people. The US government has been preparing the way for this conflict for 80 years.

The US literally partnered with the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalism, the same people who carried out 1/4 of the Holocaust and the US continues to support them to this day.

I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Today, our main enemies are domestic, not foreign. And as a government derived from the people, the people don't have an excuse for the decades of corruption and abuse or abandonment of our founding principles.

Our government is us, whether we like it or not. The deaths in Ukraine, Syria, are on us.

I'm not saying this in the abstract. My wife is Ukrainian. My church is in Ukraine. Much of my family is there. My daughter joined the Air Force and helped train Ukrainian pilots and air controllers that bombed my town and my father-in-law's workplace. My daughter doesn't get an out. The government doesn't get an out. US citizens don't get an out. That's what comes of a government deriving its authority from the people.

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Peter Taylor's avatar

So on point, well stated, fully agree with your sentiments, just this evening I spoke with my wife about just how many former U.S and Western military personnel must exist who realise they were used, used to enhance the wealth and privilege not of the nation, but for a select few.. enriching them, taking the bullet, the shrapnel, the PTSD, for what, certainly wasn’t to advance democracy or democratic values, not of the type most believe that’s for sure… I cannot think of a worse feeling than as a former service member realising you were used, your sacrifice totally meaningless save the faux platitudes… Bon homie, sprayed around with gay.. yep that to nowadays… abandon at events used to mark events of import… all theatre, meaningless tripe, hidden no more, service members now spoken freely of as being “trip wires” why not just say bait… as the reason these greed obsessed retards use to rationalise the next “all in” at least your not so much lied to anymore… what truly astounds is how readily they shaft you, those needing the care promised on return home… yet time and time again, sucked in, off to war, the next them or us, here or there excuse rolled out… it’s tiring, certainly must be getting that way over there… just saying..

But genuinely loved reading your mea culpa… you are so correct, at least you get it, once responsibility is recognised, who is at fault, who the enablers genuinely are… then you will have a shot at changing it… for the better..

Thank you again.

Kia Kaha (stay strong) From New Zealand

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Dhdh's avatar

forced to fight brother wars for the benefit of the jew.... WW1, WW2, etc., etc.,,,

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Il faut savoir ~'s avatar

Well stated and if this wasn't enough, after several deployments backed up by lies, the shot mandate, maiming forces in case you didn't get shot at enough at war! A gov dedicated to eradicate its white population! Pure evil!

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Dhdh's avatar

the holohoax is FAKE. like all wars this too was started by the jew...

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VHMan's avatar

Spare us your stupidity. Very tiresome—must reflect the speaker.

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Anna's avatar

"34 examples of "six million died" prior WWII:" (from 1869!)

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/images/2023-04/Reddit-Holocaust-Hoax-HD-blurred-resized.jpg

Also, why do you think the Red Cross data re German camps have been banned from the 1950s?

You need to check a story of a swindler (and Nazi supplier) Otto Frank and his very profitable use of ballpoint pen that first became available in 1956. And please, keep your adoration of Elie Wiesel for herself.

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Soren's avatar

Detailed analysis of the "Anne Frank diary" canard.

https://www.islam-radio.net/historia/v03p147_Faurisson.html

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Anna's avatar

Nazi monuments in Canada (not a peep from the lobby): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorials_in_Canada_to_Nazis_and_Nazi_collaborators

Nazi monuments in the US (not a peep from the lobby): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monuments_in_the_United_States_to_Nazi_collaborators

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Dhdh's avatar

6million Jews gassed behind a wood door and burned up such that no evidence remains. No orders ever found. Irene zisblat who would eat a diamond and poop it out multiple times. lol. The Jew is greedy but do you actually believe this ? Oh and they magically removed her tatoo such that no scar exists. These are ghetto rat Jews who never had a bath making up stories ….

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Dhdh's avatar

Why would you defend the Jew and their lies? 6million gassed in Showers behind a wood door the. burned such that no evidence exists ? Are you really this stupid to believe these in bread ghetto rat lies ?

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GM's avatar
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>The US government has been preparing the way for this conflict for 80 years.

And by doing that it merely took over from the Germans and Austrians, who had been at it for more than a century already

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JACk's avatar

Operation Paperclip and other similar efforts were acts of assimilation with dire consequences.

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GM's avatar
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Well, it started long before that.

Much of the Anglo-Saxon elites admired and helped the Nazis before the war.

In turn the Nazis got all their bad ideas from American practices towards natives and African slaves and English theories of racial supremacy.

If you analyze events objectively, not clouded by the post-war propaganda geared to justify the winners' victory, Nazis and Anglo-Saxons were one and the same long before the war.

So it was not at all hard to "assimilate". There wasn't all that much assimilation to do.

Which is why the Nazi-American alliance actually started six months before the war had even ended, in order to keep as much of Germany as possible out of Soviet hands, though the need to keep appearances meant fighting continued

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JACk's avatar

That is distinct, not less significant, but different. One is a question of shared values or common culture at various levels. The other is official and deliberate incorporation of policies from a narrow (historically speaking) manifestation of Austrio-German ideology.

The use of Operation Paperclip and similar programs does not negate two centuries of US history where German came one vote of being the preferred language or the largest people group overall. Or US philanthropic connections. Not to mention European monarchies shared that go back farther.

That is significantly different though than establishing official US government policy by actually giving thousands of leaders from a narrow spectrum of German elite and intelligentsia of an already historically acute time period oversight of the government in particular because the government knew what it was doing.

The first preceded the second even enabling it. That doesn't make it the same. And assimilation in this case in particular is quite different because it was assimilation within particular agencies and not in the broader culture.

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Dhdh's avatar

Like what ? Going to the moon. Developing aerospace? As the JewSA turns brown and low iq it can no longer coast on 3d reich technologies.

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RalfB's avatar

Don't forget the UK.

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Maria macha's avatar

The worst!

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Barely_Free's avatar

So you condemn the majority for the wrongful ways of a very small minority. That is pretty evil and very dangerous thinking, the same thinking that breeds hatred between nations and people and starts endless wars. The world has endured enough pain from people with this same thinking.

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JACk's avatar

It is the nature of representative government. Representatives literally act in the name of the citizens they represent. By allowing the government to prosecute evil, the people who do not stop it are guilty. It is in ethics the sin of omission. It is in the legal frame work of the US. I didn't set it up.

And that is not just my thinking. It is in fact part of the frame work of the legal system in the US, what is considered criminal behavior and not. If a person enables the criminal act of another person, they are complicit. Taxes enable. The government spends money in the name of the citizens. Voting or not voting is complicity - more than that actual participation. The social contract of the US makes it crystal clear that the people are responsible for the government, not the other way around.

If corruption endures, it is because the citizens did not - do not exercise their responsibility.

Other countries have different systems, different social contracts. The US government according to all founding document - law and philosophy begins with We the People.

And no it is not the same as the kind of thinking that caused the pain in this world. Indifference is. Accountability is what I am talking about. It applies when the majority hold and individual accountable for a crime and when an individual holds a majority accountable for a crime. And the US government with its existing structure of contractors and private public partnership is not a small minority. Even if so, the majority that stands by and does nothing in the face of a minority acting in evil is more complicit than the minority or individual seeking accountability. The majority has the ability to enact change in ways the individual does not typically have.

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old coyote's avatar

mind control is a real thing. most wars start with waving

the bloody shirt- "babies thrown from cribs" "babies speared on bayonets" etc. the media herds the public like a bunch of pigs to market. americans have been brainwashed forever about our "exceptional" place and people- "nuke their ass and take the gas" is a real result of such. the collapse of our empire and the coming famine and martial law to keep us in line might bring some changing minds.

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Dhdh's avatar

What? The U.S. is a colony of the Jew. It exists to defend the Jew and their illegal genocidal hq state.

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Dhdh's avatar

The United States exists to defend the evil Jew. Any white person who joins the U.S. military is a facilitator of genocide

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Married With Bears's avatar

Collective responsibility is not well defined. It certainly applies in Israel - where more than 95% of Israeli Jews enthusiastically support the genocide of the Palestinian people. Even if support for foreign adventures has dropped in the U.S. from a high of maybe 90% for destroying Damascus, bringing open air slave markets back in Libya, causing the deaths of millions of children in Iraq, and the others - it's still well over half and probably 70% in support of more confrontation with Russia.

There are a few U.S. citizens who oppose NATO expansion. Not as many as Germans who opposed the Nazi party at the start of WWII, but a few. It's still most of everybody.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

I'm very skeptical of your "70 percent support confrontation with Russia" estimate. I suspect the percentage is much lower than that.

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dacoelec's avatar

Take the ignorant baby boomers out of the data and it would drop by 50 percent.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

I AM a baby boomer.

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old coyote's avatar

yeah it has never happened in the past that our ancestors ran off to war to fight our white brothers for bankers. 'let's you and him fight', oy vey. i probably wont pass any ammo for smirking young arsewipes like you. well maybe i would. cuz- believe it or not- many of us are on the same side. signed, vietnam vet (boomer)- who hates most of his dope-smoking generation as much or more.

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

I remember the elation I felt when it appeared that the Cold War was actually over, we hadn't been incinerated in an almost certain nuclear war, and trillions of dollars would be freed up for improving humanity. The the Blue Meanies figured out a new, even shittier narrative to promote their murderous and evil mechanations. Im fuckin choked!!

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Exactly my experience!

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Cunning Stunt's avatar

Me too, I was only 8 years old.

In reality I have come to realise that they just destroyed all the old nukes that were outdated and replaced them with newer more powerful ones, all be it in smaller numbers. Then there is all the biological weapons, glad I moved as far away as I could. I used to live near RAF Fylingdales which was nothing more than a US military base that was an early warning station for anything leaving the East heading for the US. Guess what would have been an early target.

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Scott's avatar

I was born on Loring AFB in the northernmost tip of Maine, just across the ice cap from Russia. Dad would sleep in wooden barracks next to the runway and if the Russians tried to nuke us, he had 15 minutes to get his B-52 (and five others behind it) off the ground and on the way to nuke Moscow.

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Angelina's avatar

I spent a part of my childhood as a military brat on a military base in the Sikhote-Alin Mountains (Russia's Far East, basically,across Japan), I remember how as kids @ school we're constantly going through the safety drills in case of NATO's attack.

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HBI's avatar

The cartography geek kid that I was loves that idea. I remember the misery of constant worry at the edge of perception that it would all end suddenly. But I also remember looking at maps of mountains like the ones you describe near Vladivostok and wondering if i'd ever see such things. Only from the air - I used to fly to Seoul a lot and the Korean Air Lines flights used to go the great circle route from DC, with a short detour around the NKs. Which meant lots of Siberian countryside ...still getting there on the ground would be wonderful someday. And I remember thinking, such a far cry from the KAL 007 days, flying over Russian airspace without fear.

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Thinking back, it was a surreal childhood. I really don't know how we, the military brats, came out of it alive and mostly intact:-) We're roaming free, with a latchkey hanging over our necks, raiding military "garbage places." The goal was to find discarded huge batteries, break them for the coils of foil inside, it was a prized possession to us. All boys I knew, were into mixing some sorts of concoctions. After a neighbor's boy lost an eye to his "creation," my father brought a classified manual for my brother with the words," if you, idiot into this craziness, at least learn the basics!"

Mountains were pretty low, there was a wreckage of a plane that crashed in a fog over one of them. The wild orchids, peony, hazelnuts and wild grapes were growing in the mountains. I don't recall winters being too harsh. The fresh water was from the mountain river, and ever since if I ever have to drink tap water, I gulp it as medicine, once you know what the water should taste, the tap water just hits you as "wrong":-)

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Debsisdead's avatar

My father flew Avenger MkII's in the North Sea onwards as anti-submarine support for the convoys traveling from the east coast of amerika up to Murmansk in WW2/The Great Patriotic War. He wasn't working for the Soviet Union, he was flying for "the west', yet the USSR was the only mob that decorated him and his mates when the war ended. Russians remember who did what where so much better than the nato type mob who treat their fighting men as disposable puppets.

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Chevrus's avatar

GWOT turned out to be even more “effective”…and then there are all the regime change operations that went in to overdrive.

Demonic Rust never sleeps…..

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GM's avatar
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Where do you live?

If you are in the West, the US/NATO cabal is the reason your lifestyle is not that of e.g. Romania in the 1980s or Cuba in the 1990s, but something much more comfortable.

Sure, the elite siphon off most of the imperial loot, but enough of what is extracted from the rest of the world trickles down to the masses to ensure a relatively comfortable lifestyle (even if downward trending).

The people who were (and still are) really screwed by their rulers are Russians. The wealthiest country on the planet, ruled by absolute scoundrels who have been handing over its riches to the mortal, centuries-long enemies of that country, for pennies on the dollar, who refuse to defend its national interests, and who gladly sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its people just so that they themselves face no risk to their personal safety and wealth (the war in Ukraine could have been very quickly over with targeted strikes on the Ukrainian oligarchy and with a few tactical nukes at the border crossings with Poland and Romania, but those actions posed such risks to the Russian oligarchy, so they are still off limits).

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I understand your first point, and it's an analysis of the imperial system. It's mostly correct in a general way.

But then you drop the systems approach and criticize the Russian leadership itself as the source of it's problems.

In the system you describe above, Russia was behind Europe in industrialization and risked becoming one of the exploited countries, and has been in an uneasy balance with Europe since the 19th Century.

Doesn't this explain Russia's loss of wealth as much as the particular characteristics of her rulers?

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Anthony Dunn's avatar

GM, where do you live?

You stated you lived in Russia and another poster writes that you live in San Francisco?

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Henry's avatar

Definitely a Kalifornicator.

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Cunning Stunt's avatar

You need to educate yourself about what Romania is like today. It puts the west to shame, makes the west look like a crumbling rubbish dump. Your thinking is 40 years out of date.

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Anna's avatar

You see, your hatred a la Anne Applebaum makes you mad. Russia has more comfortable and cleaner big cities than the US. For instance, the NYC is infested with stupid grifters on the top, and the illegals and rats everywhere. The same is true about San Fran.

The Old Europe is a wonderful museum of architecture and gardening. But that's all.

Also, Russians are not jews. Russians don't do carpet bombing and nuking.

Let Russians deal with their oligarchs. The Associated Press: "Under Putin, the uber-wealthy Russians known as ‘oligarchs’ are still rich but far less powerful"

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Maria macha's avatar

PEACE!

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Anna's avatar

May the banking cartel (the City of Looters and Fed Reserve) and supranational fascist corporations like BlackRock burn in hell. Let the cartel's servants the CIA & ziocon thugs burn in hell.

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Dhdh's avatar

Not fascist. Just Jew.

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TMTO's avatar

The Ukrainians have a habit of mining bridges they plan to retreat over to cut off pursuit, it seems Russian drones triggered them early, trapping the fleeing forces. It made me laugh for some reason.

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Vlad K's avatar

There is actually a video footage from an FPV drone which was passing exactly under that bridge in Sudzha. Plenty of explosives planted there by Ukrainians! It was such an easy job for an FPV drone.

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Scipio's avatar

That is without a doubt the most stunning special forces operation in recent history, if not in a century or even more.

There is no special forces outfit on earth right now that would be capable of such a daring operation.

Just incredible, and a testament to how lethal the Russian military is in 2025.

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Jullianne's avatar

Might always marries Right in the end, and we are witnessing this hieros gamos in real time.

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

Totally - it reminds us that the tripe narrative that 'General Winter' is what really wins wars for Russia is bullshit - these guys win their wars the Old fashioned way: they earn it.

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Herman's avatar

It's mind-blowing. Nothing for people with claustrophobia, I would think. Hats off to those guys.

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werner hillinger's avatar

The last two tunnels may have been narrower, but the units doing it, like the 114th, are consisting of a lot of miners. This time, there were no miners.

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Maria macha's avatar

Very true e very wellll said!

Bravo...

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rhh's avatar

Any idea how that line was purged prior to human entry? Also, how was the O2/air supplied for the 400 men during this op while in the confined space of a gas line? The one vid from X shows the guys talking loudly and smoking in the pipe....that is no way to infiltrate a position...voices in pipes travel....far.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

That only applies if UkroNazis and Mercs are not all stoned on Captagon and waiting to die anyway.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

It's just amazing what a military can do when they have the support of the people and they know their cause is just and right.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

Persistence, determination, and the knowledge that your cause is just are all underrated.

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Franz Kafka's avatar

Slava Rossiji!

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raz's avatar

Hamas been doing it for years! Using tunnel to go behind enemy lines than attack a stronghold they even have videos of the attacks they are breath taking.

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rhh's avatar

There is a vast difference between a man made tunnel in a desert and a 14 km 56'' carbon steel heavy wall pipeline. LOL.

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raz's avatar

I was talking about the concept is the same using a tunel to move fighters behind enemy line and catch them by suprise! And if you think digging 10km tunel by hand in middle of desert an easy task than you are a fool! LOL

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Frantic's avatar

A very similar operation led to the occupation of some bastion immediately to the South of Avdiivka, in Autumn 2023. That time, it was an old sewer pipe whose existence and where it lead, the Russians came to learn from old Soviet land office maps. Russian engineers went first, and drilled holes for breathing and installed illumination, too. I think these had to be Donbass miners, really.

So this is becoming routine. Most Russian breakthroughs since the Avdiivka campaign have been due either to surprise tunnel attacks, or failed Ukrainian rotations as in Ocheretino

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rhh's avatar

Nothing the same about an old concrete sewer and a heavy wall 56'' gas line that is reported to 14km long.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

Russia shouldn't take any prisoners. I would shoot them all. I would at least shoot every mercenary, regardless of nationality.

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Spercepolnes's avatar

They have been shooting mercenaries in Kursk for a while now, and also taking few prisoners ....

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

It’s finally paying off.

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grr's avatar

SJ, did you see the video last week of ambushed mercs? A Russian soldier enters the frame running, with a silenced pistol and kills two, the second as he begged for his life.

A well deserved outcome.

If me though, in the position of a Russian soldier with all that they have been put through I wouldn't kill them immediately, just pump a few in to them and let them bleed out.

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Shagbark's avatar

So easy to say from your armchair, tough guy.

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grr's avatar

Right back at ya NAZI faggot

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Shagbark's avatar

Your so easy and predictable.

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grr's avatar

You are a little bitch, always yapping and wanting the last word.

And buy a dictionary.

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Dhdh's avatar

find the jew wherever it is: Kushner; soros; kagan, nuland; kagan;

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Maria macha's avatar

No! They're always need and their stories even more!

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Angelina's avatar

Once you start doing it, where do you stop?

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

When you run out of Nazis...

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Angelina's avatar

I guess, I'm not the shoot first, ask questions late, type of person:-)

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Neilo**'s avatar

Getting INTO a gas pipe in a safe area would be simple enough(cut it open) .. but how would they get OUT behind enemy lines. These pipes are airtight, not even a molecule of Methane can escape.. but kitted out soldiers can?

This is a clever Maskirovka.

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Josh Wilson's avatar

Through the soldier removal hatch? Maintenance etc

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Neilo**'s avatar

Well, I know nothing of course, just speculating.

However surely those canny Russians didn’t put an inside-opening maintenance (escape)hatch in underground pipes, just in case they needed one at some point? Anything is Possible I guess.

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Neilo**'s avatar

I have .. I also know methane(potentially residual in the pipe) burns with a blue flame.

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RalfB's avatar

Google LEL. A detector to monitor methane levels costs a couple hundred bucks, and dozens are available at any petro business.

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Morfei's avatar

There was no gas in the pipe. The pipeline stopped working on January 1, when gas supplies through Ukraine stopped.

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Neilo**'s avatar

Yes I get that part .. but you would need to flush it thru end to end pretty thoroughly to ensure there weren’t pockets in humps, bends etc to prevent those guys being asphyxiated. Detectors would alert you for sure .. but then what… Only the Russians would know I guess. I really have no insight into it, the other similar operation at Avdeevka was different in that it was an above ground water pipe that had already been blasted open in several places.

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RalfB's avatar

A single AP artillery hit will open the pipe at the desired spot, some distance ahead of the troops of course. So will a drone with a shaped charge.

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Michael Srite's avatar

Thanks for pursuing this line of questioning, Neil. ChatGPT says there are no confirmed reports of the Kursk pipeline operation.

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Neilo**'s avatar

I never served, know nothing about military matters, however IMHO this operation always just seemed like a deception to spook the Ukrainians.

Seems to have worked!!

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Peter Joy's avatar

It wouldn’t. It is owned by OpenAI of the US. Western tech is fully part of the NATO campaign. Google ‘How many NATO troops are in Ukraine’ and a host of ‘Fact Checking’ (sic) sites will firmly insist there are NO NATO troops in Ukraine, at all, and never have been. And so on.

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werner hillinger's avatar

Very simple. There are robots that drive through these tubes; they are doing inspection work. And every few kilometers, you will find a place where you can put the robot in or out. These robots work when the pipeline is transporting gas. Therefore, the inspection hatches must be complex, but the Russians installed and maintained them, they should know how to open such a thing. When the North-Stream was blown up, one of the theories was that such maintenance robots were used to place the explosives.

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Neilo**'s avatar

Good points 👍

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Angelina's avatar

A long time ago, I read this article about how CIA provided software bugs to explode Siberian gas pipeline in 1982, on Reagan's orders. So, who knows, maybe these maintenance robots were pre-programmed to do the same.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-software-blew-up-russian-gas-pipeline/

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frankly's avatar

War zone lots of explosions, thing has been turned off. I am wondering how much air they pumped in. They could probably make a cart to ride on. With gear that is a hike, stooped over, yikes!

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The Spamdalorian's avatar

Yeah the stooped over part would just be a back killer, you would need to come out somewhere you could have a half hour to recover

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frankly's avatar

stoop would kill your ability to take a breath. Wonder how many breaks they took and their loud voices had me nervous, steel carries sound.

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Victor Scarpia's avatar

The Russians bombed the pipeline in the area where they wanted the soldiers to come out.

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frankly's avatar

Wouldn't even notice an explosion.

Construction paved crawl space, too low to crouch. We had 4 wheeled carts and you lay on your back head first and push with your feet. One of the few jobs you must have your hardhat. Quite fast, of course we had races. All hand made to carry tools and supplies and the driver.

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

James Bond Q Division laser saws, obviously.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

They cut it open and digged themselves out.

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NiggleS's avatar

What makes you think some poor bastard *didn't* make the trek in both directions, to check the far end?

Any military commander worth his commission would order that done first, before committing to the assault..

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Neilo**'s avatar

and if he didn’t come back, you would assume what .. he succumbed to gas, was found out .. or??

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NiggleS's avatar

Exactly.

That's the question a good commander has to be certain of the answer of.

(Note that you don't send one guy in the first place, you send a squad, the designated runner comes back)

Which leads to the trade off: How many MORE men can he send to verify the answer, before he writes the idea off as a non-starter.

Because he CAN"T send a whole Assault Company to die the same way.

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Rashmi's avatar

Russians built these pipelines, they have the exact blueprints and know where the joints and maintenance points are. Not everything is Maskirovka. If there were other ways to reach behind enemy lines, they would have done it earlier without a need to cook up fantasy.

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Kun Bela's avatar

You must have noticed who built this and many other pipelines throughout the Soviet Union ! And everything the Soviet Union built has all the documents in Moscow down to the last scrap of paper, you probably don't know, but the Russians are maniacally meticulous people who love systems, what's not in their document archives doesn't even exist ! You know, in the West they think that the Germans are the ones who organize everything into archives, and so are the Russians ! This pipeline system was not built by the Ukrainian SSK, but by the Soviet Union, that is, Moscow, they know every screw, every cleaning service opening, better than the Ukrainians ! Well, this applies to all industrial infrastructure in Ukraine, because it was all built by the Soviet Union ordered by Moskva and not by Ukrainians ! Can you imagine who knows the plans of a power plant, a nuclear power plant, a bridge, a huge building, the electricity and gas network best, if not those who built it ! And I bet a lot of money that since 1991, when the Ukrainian (?) oligarchs stole the country from the Ukrainians, nothing has been built since then, they only use what the Soviet Union built on the orders of Moscow until 1991 !

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Maria macha's avatar

Learning and special operations, dear!

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Steven's avatar

I don’t see how Ukraine will negotiate with Russia under any circumstances when Ukrainians appear to view Russians as “orcs” and subhumans

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Jeannie's avatar

They might not negotiate, but they will surrender unconditionally if they don't.

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

Once the NGOs stop poisoning the ideological well for a few years, things will improve amongst the Slavic Bros

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Morfei's avatar

Russia wil not negotiate with Ukraine, it is vassal state.

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ItsOyvir's avatar

Hey Simp how long do you think the war will keep going? I hope it ends soon, kind of sick of it to be honest. Glory to Russia!

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Jeannie's avatar

It depends on how long Star Link stays up. Poland is paying for it, at a reduced rate, but I don't know if there's a contract.

It also depends on how hard Russia wants to punch.

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Anna's avatar

"the dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on"

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Henry's avatar

About 55 more months

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Bash's avatar

Are those guys SMOKING in the pipe??? They truly are insane. But I am also humbled to know such men are alive and among us. This war has produced unbelievable acts of heroism and is a testimony to human fortitude. I need to make a trip into Russia and do the WW2 history tour properly

On US intelligence- so, was it really that good? News says Russians are able to take advantage, but kursk looked like it was on its last legs anyway. Sometimes I do think american ISR is even more capable than we realize, and the level of actual assistance is more vast than the $ figure quoted. Blinken alluded to that himself, and for once I believe him

Finally, on negotiations. People need to get their head straight- literally nobody is aligned here. Zelensky and Europe need the war to continue, Trump wants out but he wants it on his terms, and Russia would be insane to accept a western promise of any kind. Forget about Trump leaving in 2029, the guy can change his mind in 20 min!

And now Romania has proven that hoping for governments to be tossed and elections to produce less insane candidates is not viable - Soviet Europe is here to stay. Russia has a real threat to face and it's called the EU

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Spercepolnes's avatar

Soviet Europe. I like that analogy.

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Tedder130's avatar

"A soviet is a workers' council that follows a socialist ideology, particularly in the context of the Russian Revolution"

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Angelina's avatar

The Union of the Soviet Socialist European Republics - USSER

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Tedder130's avatar

'Soviet' has a political meaning, primarily of workers councils. "A soviet is a workers' council that follows a socialist ideology, particularly in the context of the Russian Revolution", so "Soviet Europe" would be much better than the neoliberal oligarchs councils we now see.

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Bash's avatar

The original intent of "Soviet" vs the reality is a superb analogue for the original intent of the EU, vs the current situation

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Takuto's avatar

Official original intent. E.g. so many Nazis took part in that organisation, that many experts say it is a Nazi foundation.

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Seeker's avatar

The US had there last election. Anyone thinking Trump will give up leadership of the US when in his mind he is the only person that can save the US really have some surprises coming. Added to that he won the majority vote so in his mind he has a mandate and Americans love him, their great leader.

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Bash's avatar

This is absurd, TDS of the highest order

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Seeker's avatar

It was once absurd to think the world was not flat. It's just a matter of how time will play out. Let's see if the unthinkable is the same as the improbable. Democracy always faces it's demise to thunderous applause. Not wishful thinking merely possibilities.

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Bash's avatar

On jan 20, 2029, Donald Trump will no longer be president of the US. I would happily place a $100k bet on that, right now. Easiest money I'll ever make

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Seeker's avatar

Ok let's wait and see.

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Takuto's avatar

$100k in 2029 won't be worth much.

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dacoelec's avatar

You give stupid a whole new dimension.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Agree. He is there to stay until he dies in office or assassinated.

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Candis's avatar

🙄

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Maria macha's avatar

Lucky you that DT is back with orange changes?

Hope that he STOPS satanyau et israhellll, dears...

No more sucking taxpayers money...

Soros et the gang are upside down...

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Shagbark's avatar

Fruitcakes will say fruitcake things. Just like they did during the previous Trump administration.

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Seeker's avatar

The strangest thing about people who project, is they never have arguments to back up how they "feel".

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Eoin Clancy's avatar

Smoking is probably what kept them going, never doubt the power of nicotine! As there was no methane flowing in the pipe, having a fag posed no danger.

Truly outstanding bravery.

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Bash's avatar

I would have thought the air would be heavy and acrid. I used to be a pack-a-day and this looked like smoking in a car with the windows closed!

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Eoin Clancy's avatar

I'm sure it was heavy and acrid and definitely not an ideal place to enjoy a fag, but if they didn't have their smokes I'd say things would have been a lot worse for them. From my extensive reading of war autobiographies, the cigarette is as necessary as artillery and a rifle for the foot soldiers.

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werner hillinger's avatar

In WWI the French, Germans, and Austrians used liquid oxygen. Then the air is always good enough for humans. But what about the leftovers from the missing toilet? This is the real deal; a cigarette can help! Read about "La butte de Vauquois".

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Martin's avatar

When I served in the Legion Etrangere in the early eighties, I remember we would be issued one packet of filterless gitaines, also a very small shot of brandy in our ration pack. Smoking was almost a ritual in the army.

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Maria macha's avatar

Filterless gitanes with pieces of leaves in ones mouth, et how U miss it et its amell, dear!

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The Rake's avatar

I smoke in my car with the windows down everyday due to the danger of thugs in mopeds. If you are a smoker it doesn't bother you at all.

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JennyStokes's avatar

EU is no threat. It's crumbling.

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Anna's avatar

The degenerate owners of the EU are a threat.

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Takuto's avatar

They still can assassinate presidents or throw some nukes around, thereby starting WW3.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Who is 'they' Takuto?

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Takuto's avatar

You can ask that EU commissar that threatened the Georgian president with the same fate as Robert Fico.

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Terry Lawrence's avatar

This whole story seems dubious at best. The pipe was in operation until a few months ago and would still be full of highly explosive methane fumes mixed with air just waiting for a spark or flame to set it off. I had trouble believing they could breathe without oxygen or compressed air, but smoking would be impossible unless the pipe was open and vented at both ends for a very long time for all the methane to dissipate. I'll need to see a reasonable explanation of how they could get out at the desired destination - and without attracting attention - before moving this out of the realm of fantasy.

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Bash's avatar

Methane is lighter than air. It would not accumulate like that

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MontyDog's avatar

Couldn't the Russians have cleared it out with a big fan in advance? Pump air through it so it's more or less clear of the gas.

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Anna's avatar

The real threat are the City of London Looters (desperate to save its thoroughly criminal offshore-accounts empire) and supranational fascist corporations like BlackRock, ADM, Cargill, Pharma, Monsanto (Bayer), et al.

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Brian Simpson's avatar

Yes, Russian men smoke and are not emasculated like most are here at home.

I would suggest if you travel to Russia to visit Mameav Kurgan in Volgograd (Stalingrad). And taking a river tour along the Volga to Astrakhan.

Trump pretends that Ukraine is not 100% a US proxy state, he could end the war immediately. Russia must politely ignore him and cut the head off the pit viper of what is left of Ukraine.

I'm disappointed in Trump, he has made no comment denouncing on Romania literally banning a candidate from running for office. The EU is a totalitarian crap hole and failed region.

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pyrrhus's avatar

This daring pipeline raid will be long remembered, along with the amazingly courageous and disciplined men who carried it out...All the more reason for Putin to ignore American diplomacy and carry on with the SMO until it has achieved every goal, and the NATO threat neutralized...

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The Phoenix's avatar

The video of the guys in the pipe is hilarious! Even through the toughest missions they’re cracking jokes 😂

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frankly's avatar

Oh when the officers get way out on a limb, the boys can say and do what they want.

Actually they acted like they were probably gonna die, but we will leave a mark and are up to the task.

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Givenroom's avatar

France has a Macronmania but at the same time a Trump-o-trauma, and for what the big guy is concerned…heaven is waiting.

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abcdefg's avatar

My favourite time of the day, Simplicius o'clock!

It's kinda funny that the trolls seem to have disappeared since USAID got closed down, or am I just imagining it?

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

Hahaha omg now that you mention it, the neo- tards have almost disappeared on YouTube recently, as well. Probably too good to be true.

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Victor's avatar

Even Cheetos seems to have disappeared. Cheetos, tell me it's not true! LOL

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HBI's avatar

Blocked him ages ago

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Steghorn21's avatar

His keyboard has probably melted :)

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Morfei's avatar

GM is still here)

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

Threads like this need GM types for flavour! It's true that his 'nuke them all and let Peter the Great sort them out' approach is rather extreme, but I read every word.

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

Don't be dissing Cheetz man!

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Gerald's avatar

Interesting question

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