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Hard to believe NATO mercs would take part in a suicide mission like this. They are there to make money, not to die.

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I watched a video of these scum approaching houses. Many were Yanks. Can you imagine the lack of critical thinking when told they were going to invade Russia without air cover and arty, no chance of resupply, no chance of rescue and little chance of survival? Yes sir, sign me up LOL Fucking morons. The world is better off without them.

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Interesting that there have been hardly any merc POWs. Is that because they don't surrender, or the Russians don't let them? There was a French drone operator, and those dimwits from The UK at Mariupol. One who turned up again doing selfies in Adviika.

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I read reports way back that Russians no longer take mercs as POWs, and summary execution isn't against Geneva Convention.

Aiden Aslan is the selfie twat's name. I hope he is captured again...

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Gerrard White's avatar

This is right, from way back, I think Medvedev confirmed this, or least someone High Ranking speaking on behalf of the RF army

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Gerrard White's avatar

Right, this is a tactic sure to be employed across Asia

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August is 'P R Month psyop' in ukroland: 2022 Kharkov, 2023 'big failed counter offensive' 165.000 kia/wia + mia, 2024 Kursk 'invasion' , please MI6 try to be more original for 2025, thanks coop.

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Jerm's avatar

I somewhat agree. Dude has been saying for over a year that ukraine is weak and ready to collapse yet it looks to be the other way around. Russia are the ones getting embarrassed on a weekly basis

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Cheap used car salesman from shithole dallas.... Hahaha. I've seen it all, now.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

The US has failed its people. The UK has failed its people. The EU has failed its people. Russia has elevated its people. You have to be a goddamn retard! I'm so fucking sick of mother fucking idiots like you. Go shoot yourself. You're wasting my oxygen.

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To them, Putin should be all-gloves off and nuke the place to glasses. They don't think in terms of this Nato proxy just being a piece to roll-in their Great Reset. They need wars to renege on all Western debts and reset the econ onto their all-surveillance econ based on CBDC. Elections would be gone and ppl would be locked up forever in their zero-carbon 15-min city.

Yup. Putin should take the bait. Lol...

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grr's avatar

A secure border? As in the USA's secure border?

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What does a secure border even mean in the context of modern military technology ? A 1500 km trillion dollar Maginot line ? Anything less isn't going to cut it. Because a tank park and a warehouse full of ATGMs right on the border is just asking for all your equipment to be taken out instantly in a surprise drone-spotted precision artillery strike. The only rational thing to do is what the Russians appear to have done - accept that it makes no military or economic sense to even attempt to secure the border of a country with almost limitless strategic depth and instead respond to incursions with reserve forces that are positioned beyond the range of artillery & drone surveillance.

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Wanna bet they'll be no civil war in EU for at least another 4 years?

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groddlo's avatar

Hmm, I'm not taking the opposite of *that* bet. :)

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Never untill people have food in the fridge, yellow vests tried during two years, they have been destroyed by the Macron junta who like zelensky stays in power whatever elections results are, he lost two elections in two months but will stay even by force.

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There will be no civil war in Europe as long as police and army will still shoot when ordered.

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If you believe that war is the extension of politics by other means, then it makes sense. What is underappreciated here is how many Russian civilians are becoming hostage to the genocidal Ukrainians. Several villages taken. It must be in the hundreds if not thousands. It has the potential to undermine Putin's leadership severely.

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I would say that Monday morning quarterbacking leads to the conclusion that Ukraine/the West may have outflanked and outsmarted Russia severely. And it's all the Russians own fault. What led them to believe that the Ukrainians would somehow gentlemanly leave the lightly defended Kursk region alone? Now it all depends on Russian forces that had been arrayed for an incursion into the Sumy region will be able to throw them back. If not, then see my other post about using nukes.

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groddlo's avatar

> It's difficult to comprehend the strategy here once the surprise wears off.

Agree. Are they going to sit there in Kursk Oblast and wait, in the worst case for Russians, for the killing machine of Donbas to relocate to Kursk, anihilate AFU and the relocate back to Donbas to finish the job?

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Feral Finster's avatar

The Ukrainian attack already has achieved exactly what it was intended to achieve, which is to change the narrative from Ukrainian defeat to Russian incompetence.

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Andy Dean's avatar

It also effectively deleted China's shuttle diplomacy efforts that were about to turn into groundwork for the most probable peace plan, should negotiations start. Now it's all back to clear slate.

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I think the answer to "why kursk" is mainly the Kurchatov NPP. Who the f knows what these creeps have up their sleeves with over 2 yrs to scheme away?

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The villages were evacuated on the first day.

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Not surprised here about reference to scumbag Harding by R Lee. Why? Because the friggin US and UK (and French and Poles and Georgians) have definitely collaborated on this op. Satellite input alone is huge. They're in on it. Harding is British intelligence - that's what mainstream "journalist" means in the US and UK. It means spook. Enjoyed your comment.

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Of course the US and UK and Poland and whoever else did. They also planned the Crocus terrorist attack, various assassinations, and God knows what else.

What does Russia propose to do about it?

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Agree.

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Every now and then, we see some western MSM article, some photo of Zelenskii being ignored at a NATO conference, whatever, and we tell ourselves that the tide in the West is turning.

It is not. Some functionary at State snaps his fingers and the minions in the West return to form like Pavlov's dogs.

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groddlo's avatar

Hmmm....

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Denis's avatar

Greetings, citizens.

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Simpliticus has managed to draw an international audience of citizens from various parts of the world. Let us not judge one another based on what our governments do but by the words we write which reflect the content within our hearts. The assault on humanity is on a global level and not isolated to any region on the globe. The Overlords lead us to conflict so that we can be easily manipulated and controlled by dividing us into opposing sides. Divide and conquer, right? The problem is not the battle between global citizens but between us and the governments and overlords that rule above us. Peace, goodwill and best wishes to the global citizenship.

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it's a class war on a global scale, always was basically. Identity politics is the latest iteration of divide and rule/ distraction. Congrats on being first. Edit; found the youtube vid I was look'n for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWkCybdOy7k

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Lol, and thanks, Billy. There's a hidden message in there for someone in particular to smarten up. lol Later, man.

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Denis's avatar

Thanks, Marcy. I am privy to the matter.

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Steel's avatar

People talk of class wars and religious wars and ideological wars and tribal wars. I'm starting to think they are all the same really. It's 'us superior ones' vs 'those awful, useless other ones'.

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Gerrard White's avatar

I think you should address class war in more serious terms of the structures, state and economic

This will improve insight into how not only is the external war a necessity, but that the internal is the more crucial

And hence to do something about it

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While I am left, I will judge our enemies to be enemies. Sure, not every American or German is the enemy of a Russian. But the states are. And there will be no more "International" in this age.

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groddlo's avatar

Posting "First" would have been more sensible.

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John Galtsky's avatar

Proving once again that the default sort order setting for the Comments section of this substack should be either "Top first" or "Newest first" but not "Oldest first".

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Steel's avatar

That's a matter of opinion. I like reading chronologically.

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773H0+06's avatar

They gotta hurry…November is fast ap.proaching

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GM's avatar

Thirs year into the not-war that was launched in order to prevent a NATO invasion of Russia we get what?

A NATO invasion of Russia.

And a tactical nuke strike on Russia too (in Morozovsk).

The Kremlin doesn't know what to do about the former, while the latter it is pretending it did not happen.

As usual.

Which means that yet more is to come.

Remarkable success for Putinism...

But hey, as long as the oligarchs are in still in power, and the communists have not come back, the important objectives have been achieved I guess...

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PFC Billy's avatar

@GM

"And a tactical nuke strike on Russia too (in Morozovsk)."

Do provide any evidence of a nuclear weapon having been used.

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GM's avatar

The video of the explosion and the footage of the consequences.

Two huge explosions were seen. Really, really huge. With no secondaries.

Then the whole ammunition storage was evaporated, and what was left was piles of destroyed bombs with their casings largely intact. Which is impossible if the bombs detonated, but very much consistent with an airburst.

So it was likely ATACMS with small nukes on them.

The drones were for distriaction of air defense.

What happened in Lipetsk hours ago is of keen interest now.

Because NATO in Europe was not glassed immediately after what they did in Morozovks, they may have repeated the exercise in Lipetsk.

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Watching too many science fiction movies.

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Honestly people please remember

1. NATO is trying to provoke Russia into a full on attack which will horrify the rest of the world and break the links with BRICS and others. That is why they constantly cross red lines. Russia knows this and is holding back. The idiots here who call for more aggression here are playing into the hands of NATO if in fact they are not already trolls. Within Russia many especially in the military do not see this. Military types rarely see these thing in ANY nation.

2. Many military types in NATO actually want to provoke Russia into using tactical nukes. Presumably they think this would give them the excuse to launch attacks on Russia. Presumably also they calculate that NATO would come out the winner of the nuclear exchange that would surely follow.

3. I will repeat this because I got zero response which means either people did not read it or are trolls. Russia CANNOT protect its entire border with significant force numbers or air defence or air superiority or anything. It has HUGE border. The task is next to impossible. Already struggling in the Soviet days, Russian power collapsed in the 1990s. It has been rebuilding as swiftly as possible but there can almost never be enough. So what Russia MUST do is leave minimal troops/defences in lower priority areas. Cut the bloody CRAP about traitors etc. Military make judgement calls. Sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they have no choice.

4. The Kursk region is at present for Russia relatively low on the priorities based on risk. St Petersburg is Russia's most vulnerable city along with Kalingrad. That along with the Sea of Azov region including Crimea are vital to protect. Moscow comes next but it is a good deal further inland. I am no military strategist but I would assume that the sensible way for Russia to manage its huge border with enemy states Finland and Ukraine, is that is areas where there is NOT intense fighting they would hod back some reserves/fire power at points along the border but at a distance so they could use a "whack a mole" approach. They would work on the assumption that if there is an enemy breakthrough that these reserves could get there quickly enough to prevent major damage. Risky yes but less risky than depleting strength in the Donbass or Sea of Azov or keeping a watchful eye along other borders which includes even the USA in Siberia.

Comment 227 on MOA

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/08/ukraine-open-thread-2024-188/comments/page/3/#comments

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GM's avatar

Yeah, and Hitler was merely trying to provoke Stalin on June 22 1941.

And destroying Russian airfields, including using tactical nukes, is also merely trying to provoke Russia to use tactical nukes. Absolutely

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Just thinking loosely. Even if @GM is probably false about nukes having been used by Ukraine/NATO, now could be the time for Russia to use them. With the Ukrainians deep inside Russian territory, Russia can use nukes on it's own territory to cut them off from their supplies and reinforcements. Using nukes on one's own territory removes the objection of NATO maybe exploiting the use of nukes as an excuse to enter the war openly. This argument always hinges on Russia using nukes on Ukrainian territory. It does not apply if Russia uses nukes on its own territory. The situation in the Kursk region maybe so foobar, Russia may have no other choice. Consider how difficult it was to dislodge the Ukrainians from Krinky (sp?). This time they have much larger forces, supply lines over land, Russian fortifications they have taken over, and Russian civilians as hostages to boot. Dislodging them within any appreciable time window them may be really difficult if next to impossible using conventional means. Small nukes could be used along the border to contaminate the land and cover it with loose earth. That would minimize civilian casualties while cutting off the Ukrainians forces and probably making their situation untenable. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are viable places to live in nowadays, so the long-term effects are manageable. Better to accept that than to risk what could turn into a major disaster for Russia. It would bring the added benefit of the Russian leadership, primarily Putin, leaving its measured, predictable script, which has led the West to believe that there are no Russian red lines.

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No, you don't nuke your own territory. It is the same reason, but amplified even more, why Ukraine must not be nuked -- Ukraine is Russian territory.

You nuke Poland, Romania, Finland, Germany, etc. Block NATO logistics, then you deal with Ukraine.

The US will not dare retaliate. Russia's SMO bluff was called, now it's time to call NATO's Article 5 bluff.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Surprisingly informative, well-arranged and wise comment from you. Different from the usual personal attacks and nit-picking.

Agree with what you write. Especially points 3 and 4 were spot-on.

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Gerrard White's avatar

Good summary of the real situation

The trolls will try and object - they've been very excited recently

Patience

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rgarnett's avatar

Russia doesn't have to protect it's entire border at all. What it needs to do is protect its critical military assets, large cities and civilian infrastructure. 80% of Russia is empty space, what's to defend?

It needs to defend only those borders that are close to assets and close to enemies. That simplifies the problem considerably. The reason it is fighting the Ukrainians is because Ukraine is within spitting distance of Moscow. That is where defense counts.

To say that the Kursk region is low risk when it has a nuclear power plant and is within reach of Ukraine is an odd statement as events are demonstrating. If Ukraine could get control of the Kursk plant Russia would be in deep shit.

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Sam's avatar

Tactical Nukes 😂 put down what you are smoking

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Luvnish's avatar

What we seeing _are_ the secondary explosions. Some shells did not explode the way the others did because they were subjected to a supersonic shock wave from the secondary explosion making its way through the storage. Hence the casings lying around.

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Scipio's avatar

Garbage

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Michael's avatar

There are no tactical nukes for ATACMS. The only tactical nukes that US have is gravity bombs.

But your fantasies is very funny to read, keep it going)

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No Rus airfields were destroyed. No nukes, tactical or otherwise, were used. A simple internet search proves this. The attack was on the ordinance depot, not the entire airfield. Here is a write up with video and pictures of the aftermath.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-has-lost-a-large-number-of-aviation-ordnance-at-the-morozovsk-air-base/

This attack took place on August 3rd, so this news is six days old. If you watch the video of the explosions, you will see that this was just a regular run of the mill missile strike (ATACMS?) with several secondary explosions, none of which are very large. There is an aftermath picture at the link. The fence around the aviation ordinance depot which was hit is still intact.

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If you weren't so hyperbolic and generally dishonest someone might take you seriously which would help you achieve whatever it is you are trying to achieve.

That was no tactical nuke strike, anyone with half a brain could tell you that.

You've heard of Rayleigh–Taylor instability, yes? Related to the laws of thermodynamics and the physics of heat exchange.

Any sufficiently large explosion will make a mushroom cloud. Ammo depots and jet fuel depots make particularly spectacular ones due to the high temperature of the explosion.

If ou are interested I will explain in further detail why that wasn't a nuclear explosion. Consider it a favor, a contribution to your further education. Knowledge that will make you a more effective troll! Huzzah!

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GM's avatar

Please explain why there were only two huge explosions of equal size but no secondaries and why the bombs that supposedly exploded are all there with their casings intact?

How does that happen with an ammo depot explosion?

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Please explain why there were only two huge explosions of equal size but no secondaries and why the bombs that supposedly exploded are all there with their casings intact?

How does that happen with an ammo depot explosion?

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GM's avatar

Please explain why there were only two huge explosions of equal size but no secondaries and why the bombs that supposedly exploded are all there with their casings intact?

How does that happen with an ammo depot explosion?

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What we seeing _are_ the secondary explosions. Some shells did not explode the way the others did because they were subjected to a supersonic shock wave from the secondary explosion making its way through the storage. Hence the casings lying around.

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What we seeing _are_ the secondary explosions. Some shells did not explode the way the others did because they were subjected to a supersonic shock wave from the secondary explosion making its way through the storage. Hence the casings lying around.

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grr's avatar

General Moron, just fuck off. You are a fool. Do you live in the same trailer park as little Mikey?

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Yoni Reinón's avatar

Sure you can do better... When the Russian flag flies in Kiev you will still claim a "Putinist" defeat. You are just pathetic laughable propaganda.

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GM's avatar

How is it going fly in Kiev when that is clearly not the objective set by Putin, exactly the opposite in fact. There is a stubborn refusal to mobilize the resources needed to achieve that.

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redwinddD's avatar

ahahahah lol

heal your brains clown

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Battle of the Bulge and Kursk, remixed and rebooted? Ukrainian soldiers should watch videos of Biden glitching out, Kamala cackling, and stolen valor Walz marching in pride parades. That is what they are fighting for.

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Natoistan2's avatar

+ jew oligarchs + blackrock, soros and all. Ukraine is bankrupted for generations, they don't own anything now and the 15 millions who left will never come back. In 2040, Ukraine will have a 10/12 millions population paying debts forever, working for 100 usd per month.

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Yoni Reinón's avatar

I heard Blackrock and Vanguard belong to the Rothchilds.

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kam's avatar

BlackRock and Vanguard, like most of the "Hedgefunds" are just skimming operations for other people's money (OPM). They rarely put up their nickel when they can get OPM, then collect the skim.

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Takuto's avatar

Black = Luciferian, Rock = Rockefeller. But it is said that Rockefellers are just one of the arms of the Rothchilds. Anyway, we know our rulers well enough.

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JimG's avatar

They are the real enemy, not the Ukrainian people. The problem is, they have enough money to buy people's souls.

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redwinddD's avatar

Dont forget their fertility now is about 0.5.

Self-genocided retards who wanted to kill as much Russian people as they can. LOL

Deranged serfs for jews. What a circus.

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Andy Dean's avatar

So far they're too preoccupied with stealing home appliances from occupied homes. That's what they're fighting for. Hopefully, that guy with the microwave in hands gets buried with it.

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Gerrard White's avatar

Still waiting.....

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Davy Ro's avatar

You mean dying for

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Nakayama's avatar

Battle of the Bulge I see, but Kursk ? 1943 Russians prepared a hard nut they expected Germans would bite. Germans did bite and harder than expected. Russians reserve wrote the conclusion. So far it does not seem the breached area has solid defense. It is possible but unlikely, so far, that Russians have prepared a fire sack and invited AFU to come in. The clamp action to cut the bulge at the base so far is done by artillery and stand-off munitions (probablly just as effective as two armored pincers.)

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kam's avatar

Only a few days in. This is the Battle of the (Zelenski) Little Bulge, not even remotely the Ardennes operation or Kursk I.

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"Battle of the Bulge and Kursk, remixed and rebooted?" No, not at all. Kiev wants to achieve unlimited support from the US, to cause a direct war between superpowers.

Kiev's objective is to bait Russia into escalations that will bring the US and NATO more directly into the war. They (and their more rabid backers, like MI6) know that indiscriminate killings of civilians by nazis on Russian territory and a direct attack in force on a Russian nuclear power station will lead to escalations by Russia.

If Kiev achieves a direct conflict between *any* NATO member and Russia it doesn't matter to them how many of their attackers get killed, and it won't matter if the rest of the front collapses. Any escalation by Russia that involves direct strikes by Russia on NATO assets, such as killing US or NATO AWACS aircraft or any direct fighting between any NATO nation and Russia will guarantee Kiev with unlimited US and NATO money, arms, and other military support. Kiev believes that before Russia will be able to exploit even a general collapse of Kiev's forces across the entire front, it will be distracted by direct conflicts with NATO and the US.

That's why what looks like what will be, sooner or later, a suicidal, pointless attack is a gambit worth trying for Kiev.

I noted in another post in the Comments section: The gambit is also exploiting a key Russian weakness, which is a strategic thinking weakness in that Russia at the highest levels still has not internalized either the total dishonesty of the West or the fundamentally psychotic willingness of the West to believe its own propaganda for morons and to follow the lies of that propaganda into actions that are self-destructive.

A good example is Kiev's attack on Kursk. The region in Kursk was relatively lightly defended because it was clear that Kiev attacking Kursk oblast has only terrorist value and at that only if the attacker is willing to commit suicide in committing the terror act. Russia did not believe the West would go for such a self-destructive and obviously terroristic ploy. Russia has enough resources in the region to protect the Kursk nuclear power plant, and it has enough resources that, on an emergency basis, it can apply to stopping Kiev's thrust, but beyond that it made no sense for Russia to pull military resources from elsewhere to defend something that, ultimately, was defended by the deterrent of far hotter war in response to a terrorist action.

That Kiev undertook this attack is a statement by the West "we're not scared by your deterrents" - we'll see how far Russia will take its response. I think if Russia cannot find a response that causes direct and severe pain to the West while falling short of total war, the West is going to keep pulling such stunts until Russia has no choice but to engage in general war with the West. But if Russia can find the balance point between general war and a response that teaches the West poking Russia is stupid, this attack by Kiev will have some consequences:

One result of this action is a guarantee that Russia will not under any circumstances negotiate with the West or its puppets on any basis other than the total elimination of "Ukraine" as a state. If the West doesn't like that, they'll have to defeat Russia in a war that will cause massive damage to the countries which have allied in a coalition to defeat Russia, and that includes damage to the US.

One other result of this action is that Russia is likely to take far harsher measures in both its prosecution of the war in Ukraine and also in the context of what assistance Russia provides to countries already at war with the US, such as Syria and Yemen.

Finally, I think a consequence of this action is that the West has managed to wake a sleeping giant. They've been believing their own propaganda about Russia being stressed fighting this war, but now they will discover that in truth Russia has been fighting a highly limited conflict. They'll discover that as Russia moves from "special military operation" mode to "war" mode.

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kam's avatar

Let's see what this looks like in a month.

The West is bleeding itself out, with help from Russia and China- often by standing back and watching.

The Bank of Japan raises interest rates from ZERO to 1/4 of 1% and their stock market collapses 5,000 points, this weeks 10 year and 30 year U.S. Debt sales backdoor backup by the Fed's Foreign Buyer surrogates.

The Garden of Weeds grown by planting the seeds of "Diversity is our Strength" eating Europe, Britain and Ireland alive. Not all Cultures are equal, no matter how many times you shout it.

Ukraine foolishly picked Perfidious Albion and Fickle Uncle Sam to be their bed partners and wonder why their butt is so sore.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Meanwhile, the stock markets have gained back most of their losses. Settle down.

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Gerrard White's avatar

FF off

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Feral Finster's avatar

NATO and the US will intervene if they want to. No bait is needed.

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John Galtsky's avatar

Respectfully disagree. NATO and the US think they can kick back without directly fighting Russia and keep their attacks on Russia to the level of their proxies being cannon fodder while causing whatever damage to Russia those proxies can manage.

They're not looking for a direct fight with Russia. But all that will change if, say, Russia flattens the huge US military airport in Romania (now hosting a few B52 nuclear bombers), or if Russia downs some AWACS aircraft, or if Russia strikes key logistical supply bases in Poland. Heck, it might even change if Russia flattens US and EU embassies in Kiev. That's when they'll start hyperventilating about Article 5 and launch some direct attacks on Russia in Kaliningrad, on Russian navy assets somewhere or whatever.

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Feral Finster's avatar

*If* they want to.

Right now, they don't have to do even that.

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Gerrard White's avatar

you take their advice do nothing why not -

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Dave's avatar

The article today said what they're doing. They're handing out weapons to the enemies of NATO and US. One proxy armed tit-for-tat.

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Respectfully, writing "*if*" as if they free choice in the matter is giving the US and NATO far too much credit.

They had free choice in the matter back in the 90's when they had no opponents who could really fight them. So yes, at that time an "*if*" was spot on: when they chose to gin up fake pretexts for attacking Yugoslavia that's what they did and then proceeded straightaway to viciously bombing civilians, killing over 33,000 Yugoslavian civilians. For style points, just to show they didn't have to give a hoot what anybody else thought, they even deliberately bombed journalists and news media. Russia couldn't do a thing about that short of initiating nuclear war against the US and NATO, which it was unwilling to do to save Yugoslavia. A nuclear power that is a large country without massive conventional arms and a healthy economy is no longer a superpower.

But now the world is completely different. The US is no longer the sole superpower. Both China and Russia have broken out as genuine superpowers, large, self-sufficient (in China's case by teaming with Russia) countries that cannot be broken economically or with conventional weapons, which have large nuclear arsenals to boot. Both have the key superpower characteristic of being so strong economically and conventional militarily that they have a sufficient surplus of money and combat capability to project force into their near abroad and to influence conflicts around the world.

NATO without the US has never been a superpower, but now it is even more obviously not a superpower by virtue of insufficient economies and woefully insufficient military capacity to wage conventional war. Despite their extreme delusion they know they are deeply unready to face Russia in general war.

The US is a question mark, because of the extreme level of self-delusion that dominates the US. Unlike Western Europe, which has had nearly a century of decline and military humiliation to gradually accept it is no longer a colonial empire, the US still thinks it is the world's hegemon, despite depending on China for over 40% of the key components in the advanced weapons systems upon which the US depends to project force. Despite losing every war it has fought in recent decades, losing to tribesmen in deserts in non-peer conflicts, the US still thinks it may have a chance against either Russia or China or, even more astonishingly, against both at the same time in a conventional war. The US has done such an exceptionally good job of telling lies about the utterly terrible performance of weapons systems like Patriot in Iraq or Javelin anywhere or Abrams tanks and similar wonder weapons in Ukraine that obviously many of the US's elites believe those lies.

So yes, maybe the US still thinks there's an "*if*" in there that is solely the US's choice to make. But even in the US there are enough people, usually military people, who have enough contact with reality to understand the US is in no shape to fight a war with a determined peer adversary like Russia or China. Those people seem to be injecting just enough awareness of reality into US fantasy sessions on strategy that even the US realizes it does not have free choice of action.

Instead, both the US and NATO are holding back in fear of what would happen to them in general war with Russia, albeit holding back on the fairly fragile basis of fact-based realism that has no strength against the tsunami of self-delusion pushing for war with Russia. The advocates of war are eager to see Russia strike NATO or US assets directly, because they know that will be the straw that breaks the reality-based camel's back and that will allow the war party to have their way and commence hostilities. Until that happens, there is no "*if*" about it.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Seems like a lot of wishful thinking. As I said, right now the US doesn't even have to directly and openly intervene.

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Grape Soda's avatar

“the West is going to keep pulling such stunts until Russia has no choice but to engage in general war with the West” agree that western leaders want a general war… I believe that it’s partially cover for a financial reset aka debt default… I know nothing special just trying to read the tea leaves… I’m sad because western elites seem willing to sacrifice civilization itself to retain power… it seems inconceivable now but a new dark age may be upon us… I hope I’m wrong…

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B. E. Gordon's avatar

The Battle of Gettysburg too.

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HBI's avatar

I'd just let the Ukrainians move as far into Russia as they can against desultory opposition.

Then cut the whole mess off at the root.

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KonstantinovRR's avatar

It is still a bad look. And if they did move into our territory in a stupid place, we probably would let them take a bigger salient. But make no mistake, they are not stupid. Kurchatov is really nearby and giving Ukrainians a modern working nuclear station is not a good idea through any lens.

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kam's avatar

Nearly the equivalent of leaving $8 billion of military equipment in Afghanistan.

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TMTO's avatar

NATO forces leading a NATO style assault into an unprepared part of Russia and this is all they can do?

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kikodg's avatar

This whole incursion has been gamed-AI and gave the highest probability of success.

It's time for Putin's generals to initiate plan K.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Doom is not the same as being realist. Wake up.

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kam's avatar

A.I. is a Marketing gimmick. Just like Kamala's "cloud".

Written by human programmers, even so-called A.I. programming is founded in human coders. You can't get around it, unless A.I. creates own base code.

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Andy Dean's avatar

What were you expecting? It's effective for what it was intended to do. Very effective, even. 12*40 km from today's official assessment, this is a result NATO should be proud of.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

oh my it's all so exciting... I think I'm done with all of this shit. I'm certainly done making comments at this nervous little high dramafest. I'll quietly follow this gigantic, totally unnecessary human shitfest elsewhere.

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Natoistan2's avatar

There is no Iranian attack for now as US + Egypt + Qatar forced bibi to meet next week or in Egypt or in Qatar for negociations about Gaza. Don't forget that what is the most important for Dem's potus election is the pricing of gasoline, if Iran attack, Israel retaliates then Iran can block Suez canal and oooups WTI BRENT will reach 150 usd, Trump in KH out.

This is why they calm down bibi. They should also calm down ZE as natgaz in Europe took 5 % in 24h and electricity + oil are linked with gaz price due to an idiotic EU law (aren)wanted by Germany. Which means inflation and later rates will go up, EU elites should better support a RU victory and asap.

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Take a look at map and see where Iran is located in relation to the Suez Canal. So I think you mean Iran may hinder shipping through the Straits of Hormuz. Well they could arm the Yemenis even more to interdict Red Sea shipping thus affecting shipping through the Suez. Any which way the Russians will be very happy with that situation becoming the major supplier of energy with oil going to the prices you mentioned.

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GM's avatar

Looks like the airbase in Lipetsk was destroyed too...

So much for ATACMS not being a game changer.

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PFC Billy's avatar

@GM

Do provide your source.

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TMTO's avatar

It's his ass, like always. He was the one claiming Russia got nuked

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Natoistan2's avatar

osint= cia

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GM's avatar

So the pictures and the video are fake?

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Natoistan2's avatar

Yes they are.

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TMTO's avatar

If a westoid msm prostitute or one of their hohol groupies told me the sky was blue I would go outside to check for myself

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Eclavdra's avatar

No, you are just a dummy.

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Luvnish's avatar

It looks like a steady camera take looking at the mushroom cloud forming. This means the camera was probably already filming immediately prior to the mushroom cloud forming. Hence it should also have captured a nuclear fireball. A fireball is unavoidable in any nuclear explosion (as long as it's above ground). But it's not there. Why edit out the fireball? Even if it that was done for the first mushroom cloud - Would it even have been possible for the second one that rises moments later? Difficult to imagine.

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

The camera sensor would be dead if that was a nuke. Most people have no idea how bright the stuff is when it goes off. They think it's just some mushroom thing.

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Gnuneo's avatar

WW2 British vets being experimented on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y__dxTaGEp0&

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Eclavdra's avatar

It looks like an ammo depot was hit.

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Robert Smith's avatar

Those explosions are too tiny to be from nukes. You have no idea how big even the smallest nuclear explosions are. Besides, nukes don't go off twice like we see in the video. That's a video of conventional explosions tearing through an ammo dump.

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GM's avatar

No, you have no idea.

The smallest nukes are just 20t yield.

These were probably one kiloton airbursts. Maybe even half that.

It went off twice because there were two ATACMS missiles used.

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Robert Smith's avatar

Where is the bright flash of light? It's possible to gauge from the video roughly how close the camera is to the explosions - you expect me to believe someone can be standing that close even to a tactical nuke, and record it on their camera phone with no ill effects? Those explosions are visibly smaller than the Tianjin ones, and those were not nuclear either.

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Desmondo's avatar

It just isn't. Get over yourself.

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Rashmi's avatar

These images can be from anywhere. Why are bits of a blue-yellow flag scattered there? And that satellite image of a facility looks too similar to that shown in Simplicius article with pics of eliminated commanders.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Not Lipetsk.

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Takuto's avatar

Definitely the aftermath of a (or more) conventional explosion(s). The explosion itself can be everything, we do not even know for sure where it took place. But most probably an ammo depo explosion.

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Any even small pacific island , place which is nuked even by tactical nuke is instantly seen by all major countries of the World(nuclear powers) including China and India :

https://rumble.com/v2ngj1y-rare-full-911-the-third-truth-dimitri-khalezov-full-version-2017.html?playlist_id=watch-history

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Another troll..

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GM's avatar

You're on the internet -- how hard is it for you to search for it?

The governor has declared emergency in the surrounding area to "eliminate the consequences of the detonation". So it looks like they hit the ammo depot in that airbase too. What with is the key question -- some sources say it was 30+ drones, others that it was drones plus missiles -- as well as how many planes got destroyed on the ground.

Also, remember when some of us were mentioning that Ukraine is gaining superiority in long-range strikes with drones? And we were laughed at. Well, this is two airfields gone now within a week. Whatever was used to hit them.

In Morozovsk everything points to two ATACMS with around 1-kt small nuclear warheads each. But even if it wasn't that, the fact is that the whole ammunition storage area, which is a square of 200 meters on each side, was vaporized. Again, highly doubtful that drones did that, but whatever the technical means, the result is there. So the base is now out of action and hundreds of bombs and missiles were lost.

Now Lipetsk too.

Meanwhile I don't see all that much flying the othere way. In fact, precisely zero is flying to where it really has to fly, which is beyond Ukraine.

Where does that end if NATO in Europe is not nuked, now?

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Feral Finster's avatar

With all due respect, for two years we also have heard that Ukraine is on the brink of collapse.

This is clearly wishful thinking.

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Gerrard White's avatar

You have heard nothing learned nothing know nothing - back to your basement

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Natoistan2's avatar

Your fake psyop is clear: russia must nuke europe lol ...try to at least hide your stupidity.

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Luvnish's avatar

Posting the same thing again, it looks like a steady camera take looking at the mushroom cloud forming. This means the camera was probably already filming immediately prior to the mushroom cloud forming. Hence it should also have captured a nuclear fireball. A fireball is unavoidable in any nuclear explosion (as long as it's above ground). But it's not there. Why edit out the fireball? Even if it that was done for the first mushroom cloud - Would it even have been possible for the second one that rises moments later? Difficult to imagine.

Adding to the previous post, the person sitting in the car looking through the windshield directly at the explosion should have been at least temporarily blinded by the fireball. No indications of that.

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kam's avatar

FX.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Plz. Count the seconds for the sound to reach the microphone. It is not that big explosion. The Russian attack on Khmelnitsky was bigger. No nukes to be seen here.

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Yoni Reinón's avatar

So, what you want is a nuclear Russian attack on London, Paris, Berlin... That will certainly finish the EU as a commercial competitor to the anglosaxons. Good try. But I guess the Russians can see that too and prefer its Washington who nuke Berlin to create a radioactive buffer zone. Procastinating a direct response has prooved effective for Russia. Look at the riots in the UK and the American political growing mess. The risk of an American civil war is real. Why would Russia divert its course. But you probably know more than the whole Russian intelligence community.

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GM's avatar

Why should I care about the EU as a commercial competitor to the anglosaxons and not about Russian cities that are being bombed daily with increasingly heavy weaponry?

The Euros are full blown Nazi that have revealed their true colors -- they never got over WWII. As Zhukov said, "We have liberated them from fascism, and they will never forgive us for it"

Burn in hell.

Putin has a duty to protect Russia.

If he is placing the well-being of Europeans over that of Russians, and he clearly is currently, he must go. Now. And have someone who places Russian well-being over that of Europeans take over.

>Procastinating a direct response has prooved effective for Russia.

Yeah, so effective that NATO missiles are destroying Russian airfields 350 km inside Russia...

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PFC Billy's avatar

@GM

Full metal retard.

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groddlo's avatar

What is your opinion on rabbits?

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kam's avatar

Good Grief !.

The Internet is a Cesspool. Ask Gooble and Gates how easy it is to mold sheet into any form they want.

Perhaps you should check with massaged Wiki to get some SeaHighHay "facts".

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Natoistan2's avatar

Moscow has just been nuked you forgot.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Good balanced article, Simplicius!

Never underestimate the enemy. This is not good for Russia. If Russia cant contain and repel the advancing AFU, they will create chaos and then cement their presence in Russia heartland. It is amazing stuff happening right now. Desperate move, yes, but effective optics and a morale boost for Ukraine. In the same time embarrasing for Putin/Kreml. And a blatant provocation of Russians feelings with a new battle of the Kursk. Russia cant ignore this and Ukraine knows it.

Questions:

If Ukraine can create an environment for speedy advances - why cant Russia?

And did Ukraine blast away a lot of FAB:s stored in the airfield on Mohrovets?

When will Ukraine raid Crimea (or was it disinformation)?

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

War is suicide for the soldiers. What do you expect? Instead of your trolling -leave a comment with some content.

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grr's avatar

So says the uber troll, the trailer park Mikey.

And this pearl of wisdom from him "If Ukraine can create an environment for speedy advances - why cant Russia?"

The answer is obvious to those that pay attention, speedy advances end in mass casualties. Just ask the Ukies. Jeezuz, you are thick.

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Oni's avatar

Because Russia's goal is to defeat Ukraine's military. You do not defeat a military by storming strategically unimportant land mass just because you can, there is no enemy to destroy there and it just thins out your supply and contact line and exposes your assault force to bombing. All of Russia's assaults have been in areas with very obvious concentrations of enemy units, or for strategic areas where nearby troops will be pressured, drawn in, or fixed in place. It makes no sense for Russia to find some similar place in Ukraine where the nearest large city is 90km away, with no military presence, and take ground for no other reason than coloring a map. That's how wars are lost.

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Natoistan2's avatar

They did not get it yet in nato, this is not about territory...

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kam's avatar

Mines cleared for Russian mop up job into Sumy. Ukraine creating huge demand for grave diggers.

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