Putin has earned some raised eyebrows amongst the Russian commentariat for his sudden offer to ‘work with the US’ in exploiting Russian rare earth and mineral resources in both Russia and the Donbass.
Kursk did exactly wnat it was intended to do, which was switch the narrative from the inevitability of Ukrainian defeat to that of Russian incompetence.
Ukraine is happy to keep feeding men and materiele into that incursion, as every day that the incursion persists, so does the narrative.
The war in Ukraine began in 2014, when the Kyiv regime decided to obliterate Russian language and culture from the whole of Ukraine, including the parts in the east where most people were of Russian language and culture.
The "ethnic" Kievan Junta is a baby of the US ziocon/CIA/NATO thugs.
The Kagans' clan and its famous member, Nuland-Kagan, who collaborated with the Ukrainian Nazi Party to initiate WWIII against Russia, are possessed by rabid Russophobia. They are mad with their supremacist lunacy, the idea of full-spectrum talmudic dominance, and boundless hatred towards "others:" Iranians, Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, Germans, Spaniards, Poles, Russians, Palestinians... All these nations has a misfortune of being infested by the nomadic jewish tribe that lives by "rules-based order" founded in Kol-Nidre, a permission to lie to and swindle the "others."
The jewish bolshevik revolution in Russia was financed by the German and American jews belonging to the same incestuous family. The westerners are in general blithely unaware about the enormous crimes committed against people of the former Russian empire by jewish revolutionaries. There was the Goloschyokin (Itsikovich) Genocide in Kazakhstan, where 40% of native Kazakhs were "eliminated." There was a mass murder of Russian officer corps (the 50,000 POWs) in Crimea, which was organized by jews Zalkind ("Zemlyachka") and Cohn ("Bela Kun"). The system of concentration camps, GULAG, was led by Naftali Frenkel. The inventor (and practitioner) of the a gas chamber was the NKVD operative Isai Berg. The first soviet government was 85% jewish, and they were set on destroying Russian civilization.
The aipac-occupied US congress has been betraying American citizenry and western civilization. The American patriot Henry Ford's warning, "The International Jew," should have been an obligatory reading for each member of US congress. Instead, US congress stands firm with the Ukrainian Nazis and Israeli genociders, thus bankrupting the USA financially and morally.
The fawning and simpering of Napoleonette with Trump was hilarious. He acted like a teeny-bopper at a boy-band concert or a drunk woman coming on to a guy at a low-life bar. This guy is a national leader? Trump really does have these Europeans buffaloed. Even Trump looked shocked and embarrassed.
Hegseth said plainly that Western troops sent to Ukraine would not have Art5 protection.
So as far as Trump is concerned, it won't "Be a problem". Nor would they live long enough to need "Backstopping". Starmer may rage, but it's hardly like the fucker wasn't directly warned. Macron will smarm, and they both will be removed soon anyway, to go on to lucrative private-sector work, with nary a glance back at the broken bodies and families of the brave troops who followed their orders.
Chimpy McFlightsuit was the full moniker. It's been a while. There was also Jorge W. Busheron, the Caudillo of Crawford; along with the noted Islamic theologian Imam Al-Dubya, Mahdi of West Texas; plus Curious Jorge leading his misunderestimated Mesopotamian misadventure. Typical western clown-leader dancing to the tune of the oligarchs.
Yes, I knew about the 'three days dead' thing and all that. I've been convinced of 'false flag' for a long, long time. I just didn't know that particular detail: the white armbands.
You know generally I'm of the opinion that the soldiers on both sides are mere dupes and, in fact equals. 'Brothers'.
But more and more this Kiev Ukraine lot begin to look really, truly, 'bad'.
There's constant propaganda on russian TG channels about their atrocities and perpetual attacks on civilians and I've generally seen them with a sort of 'ho hum' because I've thought they could probably say the same about the Russian side.
But more and more I tend to believe this is honest and true indignation and shock they're manifesting.
Same with that passenger aircraft that NATO shot down over Donbass, killing all those on board, notably a large contingent of Dutch. And they blamed Russia and forbid Russia from the investigations. Whoever ruled Holland at that time needs to be executed, all of them. They are complicit in the murder of many of their own citizens and others to create the Putin monster mantra. I have never since felt more disgusted with people of my own bloodline. I hope that payback, when it comes, is slow, cold, cruel and very painful.
That's interesting. If you have any supporting links or references I'd be pleased to see them. I try to keep a list of such things ready for me to trot out to the doubters and accusers.
Thanks for that. It is useful. But at the same time he's only summing up the bare facts as he knows them and giving expression to his 'hunch'. We'd really like to see some evidentiary material from perhaps soldiers of the Kiev side at that time or civilian witnesses.
Not to convince 'us'. We are convinced. It seems plain enough. But to convince the accusers and the doubters.
Lavrov stated that Russia repeatedly asked the UN for the list of the names of the people killed in Bucha and never received, even by now. Why the UN never demanded from Ukraine to provide such list? The burden of proof is with Ukraine not with Russia. Lavrov was stating that cars with British numbers were in the area, Ukrainian "karateli" (punishers) were in the area. Ukraine must produce the names of all people killed.
Also, Pentagon was unable to confirm at the time, when everything was "fresh" - look at the dates. I mean, I'm sure the US scans Ukraine non-stop, and what - no images? I'm sure that Pentagon would love to be able to confirm - but nope.
There are videos of Russian Forces shooting at civilians in Bucha. It was during the capture and clearing of Bucha. And these shootings should be investigated (and I hope Russia did) to improve the ROE to minimize civilian deaths.
In my opinion, this footage was used by Ukraine and the West to fabricate their "genocide in Bucha" part of their story. They added some own white-striped bodies after the recaptured it and then sold it as: "see the Ruzzkis did this!".
It was a very good PR move by Ukraine, while hiding their own killings. Zelensky could even use it as the reason he broke off any negotiations with Russia, while Boris was there and told him "YOU can BEAT Russia! We will GIVE you EVERYTHING you want". Nearly three years later it didn't played out that well for Ukraine.
This point makes me angry, the most. They could've had a compromise in April '22. But no, Russia had to be checked. Three years later, there are MILLIONS of death or crippled. And Ukraine did loose MORE ground in the process while wasting these people .
Everything in his body language screamed "I'm lying!" in that clip. He made it clear - anything or anyone "Pro-Russian" is a target. After all, this is the scum that ordered the massacres in Bucha, and other mass murders, such as the terrorist attack on the concert in Moscow.
Human life means very little to him.
Nor does he put Western lives above any others.
He would happily cheer and wave through French and British Army troops onto Ukrainian soil knowing the Russian missiles were already on the way to their position.
Probable the same too of American troops.
In fairness to the POS, the West did the same to the Ukrainian population.
They would happily "conscript" every man, boy and woman to send to the meatgrinder front.
The West likes such people as their lackies. Western leaders would do the same to their own population.
His face is tightly controlled, and he sneers while mentioning him - an odd thing to do if this is the first time he's actually heard of an American journalist who died in his custody. If he hadn't heard of him for all he would know this could be a top corporate US talking head and he would show concern at possible repercussions.
His attitude is all over the place - antagonism, no interest, false sympathy, covert hostility, plus he's supposedly sniffing the white powder. A person one instinctively does not trust.
I haven't been able to bear to hear, watch or even see the POS for over a year. I avoid most of Simp's clips even, but wanted to see that one out of interest.
Final straw came with that broadcast from the Rada ~year or so again, with obvious Nazi symbolism *EVERYWHERE*, obvious Nazi thugs in the chamber, and his 'speech' just sounded like one of Hitler's rants - same phrases too.
It was sickening. Strangely, not a single 'anti-Russian' would watch it at all. Cognitive dissonance too painful, I suppose.
Wow, talk about "body language". Did you see him in the get-together at the White House with Trump and Vance? Arms folded across his chest, wearing a black shirt with quasi-nazi sign on it. Maybe coming down off a cocaine high, too, not too sociable!
Recall how often Zelia screams about the need to shut down Russian intelligence and Russian journalists operating in Ukraine.
Then he refers to Gonzalo Lira as "Russian intelligence" and a "journalist who is half-Russian" but says he knows nothing about the guy and that he couldn't have been a danger.
So Mr Zelensky was prepared to tell the world that he, supposedly the head of the Kiev regime, allowed its executioners to murder a US citizen without his knowledge. That argues incompetence and utter blindness impermissible in a head of state.
How much better to harden his heart than to expose to the world, a snake that sells out their allies for the simplest trinket? As it was said to be an enemy is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal. What better poison but to reinforce that truth?
I am not advocating anything, I am stating possibilities based on statements from Politicians. I would prefer if there were no wars, but my preference does not create reality.
I honestly believe your comment was not directed to me and I responded to you in error. So my apologies, if your comment was directed at me then we can continue the conversation if not let us end here.
Putin must not be fooled by the West and their mercurial promises that become irrelevant with each leadership change. You can only count on the US to serve itself and on the EU to lick their boots. Russia must continue until the SMO's goals are achieved
Anything less would be wasting the sacrifices of countless servicemen as conflict erupts again in the future when the parties behind it think everyone has forgotten their tricks. That would be the continuous war you seem to be railing about.
Offering goods for sale at prices and under conditions to be negotiated is not by any means "being fooled". It is a simple market transaction. As always, the seller has the right not to sell.
The West's leadership hasn't changed for countless generations, the same perverse bloodline Crime Families use any and all resources at their disposal to ensure humanity has to struggle, this to distract them from discovering their true potential and finally ousting the parasites, by sending them to the hell from whence they came.
>That all being said, the argument that Putin’s statements are harmful do have some merit. Imagine yourself as a Russian soldier on the front, your comrades dying left and right around you, only for your leader to timidly offer the adversary mineral rights under the very land now being fertilized with your blood.
Nice to see you finally acknowledging this reality. If only more people did...
>The Russian armed forces have now likely lost somewhere approaching 100,000 dead if not more, the least they deserve in their colossal sacrifice is to know they didn’t die in vain; a stronger message from the commander-in-chief ensuring that objectives will be met would go a long way here.
Russia has loads of real resource wealth. The economic value to it of Ukrainian land is always going to reside in trading what is there (I mean the minerals, not the land itself- I did not realise I had not made that clear. The value of the land is its shield against NATO so Putin is never giving that up). That is all Putin was saying. I have no idea why Simplicius decided to run with the western propaganda that any dexterity in negotiations from the Russians represents weakness. That is how europe is trying to sell this. I do not recognise this as a belief amongst Russians except from the western propaganda arm dug in there always trying to do Putin down by pushing the argument that he is not being tough enough!
There is a Russian wing in Moscow that would be tougher militarily, MUCH tougher, that Putin wheels out routinely for western consumption - namely, remove me and what will replace me will be worse for you. Much worse. That is certainly true.
Any export of non-renewable resources is grand treason, unless you are desperate for critically important technology imports or you are trading non-renewable resources you have for non-renewable resources you simply don't have at all.
However in Russia's case:
1) It has a lot of everything
2) It has the scientific potential to be technologically self-sufficient (a country that builds hypersonic missiles, nuclear reactors and space rockets cannot build its own microchips not because it lacks the scientists and engineers)
3) It is exporting raw resources not to develop its own industrial basis, the way Stalin did in the 1930s, but for the Russian oligarchy to buy itself more megayachts, mansions, limousines and private jets. Which is the very defintion of purely wasteful consumption.
4) It is also importing finished Western high-tech goods, killing off any potential for internal development.
Now why is exporting raw resources grand treason? It should be obvious:
1) They are the only real wealth that there is out there (unlike paper money or symbols on screens)
2) They are non-renewable, thus giving them away means your own future generations are deprived of them
3) Being a raw resource appendage suppresses internal development (as described above)
The best thing that could happen to Russia would be for it to be completely shut down from being able to export raw resources. It will erode the power of the oligarchs and will stimulate internal industrial and technological development.
Which is kind of what has been happening as a result of the sanctions, but only in a mild version.
That the Russian elites and leadership are so eager to go back to being a raw resource appendage is an extremely negative sign.
Indeed. It seems to me that your analysis was correct and the elites are trying to turn back time and get access to the West again, trying to go back to things "as they were before". These overtures are troubling, as knowing Russian elites they will cuckold themselves out for the West and have since Yeltsins time. We are already seeing it with Putins really weak messaging.
I am not convinced by Simplicus' message that Putin is the consummate politician and that the lower echelon is showing us the true thinking of Russian elites - it is Putin who ultimately makes the decisions on further policies and though the lower echelons can gnash their teeth in disagreement, it would all be futile if Putin decides to take a policy of "appeasement". I think that Putin's signalling, is what he indeed is planning. There is no "4D" chess here. It is purely Putin staying true to himself.
With that being said, microchips are incredibly hard to create particularly since Russia fell 30 year behind. It is not the USSR in terms of scientific development, and it doesn't have the budget to match the Chinese in terms of microchip development (the Chinese spent the equivalent of 1 trillion USD last year on microchip developemnt). There is no way Russia can compete at the moment. It is forced to rely on the West for Chips.
Chinese chips are not yet at a level where they are reliable. Plus the Chinese aren't very trustworthy - we can see that by how they have remained "neutral" and continued selling drone parts to the Ukrainians/West and with some Chinese banks even sanctioning Russia and refusing to transact with Russia. In addition, it has not sent any military equipment to Russia either to match the amount of Western weapons sent to Ukraine. China is also taking a conciliatory to the West in many things, but not everything.
You fail to see how China is playing the West and is Russias most important ally. Trump wants to divide Russia away from China as nixon did in the early 1970s.
Russia should be stepping up its economic and military ties with China. It is the only way to protect itself from the American empire which in decline is becoming ever more desperate and aggressive.
Oh, it does have the budget, it just flows out of the country.
And it is not a question of catching up in 4-5 years starting from the current starting point, it is a question of policy going back decades.
Remember that the Chinese were even further behind Russia 30-40 years ago in that area.
With a program of serious investment plus repatriation of all the Russian engineers who are developing chips in the US (you can put them in Sochi, or even negotiate with the Georgians, if they are really addicted to a warm climate) it can be done. It is a matter of priorities.
Less pipelines and LNG export terminals, no megayachts, mansions in France and Italy, private jets, etc., and no more taking money out of the country, raise taxes on the rich (Russia has obsecenly low taxes right now), and the resource will be found.
Sure, China will always have the manpower advantage, but this is a matter of national survival. There isn't really much of a choice. The goal isn't to have the best 1.5 nm processors on the market, the goal is to be self sufficient for survival purposes, which is a lower bar.
How are you going to get back Russian Engineers producing chips for the West though? Many of them don't want to come back, in large part because the Russian Constitution has a "no ideology allowed" clause (don't forget the current Russian constitution was written by the Americans) and that means that many of the Engineers grew up with American movies/cartoons/dreams of living in the West. Many are also very liberal. It is unlikely that they will ever come back. And so that means that new ones must be grown - but when they are they get poached by Microsoft because Russia is part of the "international community" and "Europe" and does nothing to protect its talent. Indeed, it is too legalistic in this regard.
As for money, China is much further ahead now in almost every in Chip development from packaging, to software, to lithography, to DUV, to fabs. Russia has one fab in Zelengorod (I think) and has almost no research in microelectronics. Indeed, Russia has few scientific publications anymore at the level of Iran. I highly doubt it would be able to be competitive with China - even should it find the budget. Not unless, it returns the Soviet education system and reinstates Soviet era research institutes and has a good program for development of Scientific talent.
You know where this goes a few decades down the line -- autonomous drone swarms numbering in the millions stream out of China and exterminate every single Russian, and the hundreds of millions from what will by then be the submerged due to climate change Chinese coastal regions move in to take over the now cleared land.
P.S. Go back to the 1920s and look at the situation Stalin faced. The brain drain was on a similar level, if not worse, because of how concentrated education was in the ranks of those who fled after the revolution. And the technological backwardness was much much worse. But he didn't throw his hands in despair with "there is nothing we can do", he and everyone else rolled their sleeves and got to work.
Putin has a Rada to answer to. He can't simply go rouge. And in case you didn't know this, most countries (even the US and GB) relies on other countries (even presumed enemies) for something or the other. Europe bought heaps of gas and oil from Russia since 22 etc, Europe bought oodles of titanium from Russia since 22, the list goes on and on. Russia also makes it's own chips. You guys keeping making the same mistake with Russia, over and over like knuckle dragging morons would. You keep under estimating them. Or, you simply spew shit and hope it sticks. Thank christ you guys are morons. It makes your pathetic existence so much easier.
Dude, I am Russian and speak the language fluently. I know the situation both in Russia and Ukraine at least on the civilian level.
Countries rely on each other if they have no other alternatives. Take the UK or Japan - they are small islands that have minimal resources and so must import everything to drive their industry. China is much larger and it too lacks some resources, but imports those. Unlike Britain or Japan, its strength is it can produce everything itself.
Now contrast with Russia - the Soviet times have shown us that Russia can be an autarky quite effectively (it needs to just have allowed private enterprise for consumer goods and it would have done fine) as it is in the unique position of having a smart population, large territory and every resource a hungry industry could want.
And what does it do? It destroys one of the powerful industrial machines in the world under the shouts of jubilition of Igor Gaidar stating "why do we need to waste effort to build things ourselves when we can buy it from abroad?". It dismantled its world leading education and scientific system and adopted the Western "Bauccelerate" to better fit "European" and "international" standards (that are atrocious btw). The last frontier is software development - here we (both Russia and Ukraine) still hold our own, but for how much longer? Weapon development relies on the old weapon designers from the Soviet era, very few youth want to go into it as it doesn't pay well and everyone is out for the highest pay they can get. Capitalism! And everyone wants to have an Apartment in Moscow - who wants to live in Ryazan or Novosibirsk anymore or work for little money for "the glory of the motherland" as our parents and grandparents did?
It "relies" on other countries not because it can't be self-reliant, but due to some sense of inferiority as it feels obligated to be part of the "international community" as Russian elites seek to be "international citizens" and spend their capital on hookers in Miami, villas in Monaco and vacations in the Maldives.
Thanks for these perspectives and insights and for your command of written English. This is the way the virus gets to everyone and eventually picks countries and cultures apart, insidiously and bit by bit.
From a British and European perspective you could argue the same; they took on the US economic model and flooded the place with their dreadful market culture and over time it is dumbed down for the mass populations. This started happening under Thatcher in the 1980s ; what you have now is a different and broken country, de industrialised, moronic, banal and run by global financial elites - maybe your oligarchs see this as a model that suits them.
This happened in Europe: I remember an Italian academic friend's response when I mentioned that luckily they had their own language to counter US culture. He soon shot me down by pointing out how awful Italian tv, Berlusconi et al had made Italy and dumbed it down - and let's not even mention what they've now done to Germany.
And to your points about your older generations, I agree. Having spent much time with wonderful people from the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia I noticed straight away the old solidarity, education, critical thinking etc was still prevalent among those now in their 50s and 60s etc. - like UK and Europeans used to be.
This is what is happening all around the globe (look at Asia too) and whether Russia "wins" this war or not the dumb, market-led, mass culture of convenience pioneered in the development of the US is everywhere. This is the Oligarch/Elite wet dream that is sold to them by US led globalists: A small group of elite ghouls acting the way you describe and running things in ways that many dystopian sci fi novels and films have warned us of.
You are going through these things now and I don't know what can be done about it. These psychopaths are relentless and your own oligarchs/elites are going to sell you out just like ours did until now, we have an utterly vacuous avatar like Starmer going to the US on his knees to get his latest orders. Pathetic.
Friend, I know you are entirely right about Russian elites, and I agree that it would be great for Russia if it could be as much of an autarkic economy as possible... but that goal will take many decades if it is even fully achievable at all, and I am very sure that Putin knows better than you or I what is realistic. In some cases it will, in fact, require serious and significant foreign capital investment because I do think you are missing one potential factor, which is that maybe the Russian economic situation is a bit more tenuous than anyone in the government wants to openly admit. A friend who recently went to Russia on a business trip came back from Vladimir and that's the view he got from his colleagues/comtacts and relayed this to me. This friend is not someone who believes in western propaganda or dislikes Russia. There has surely been extensive borrowing/money-printing during the SMO and it is a big part of why Russia also needs to end the conflict on its terms as soon as possible. The fastest way to solve that is to normalise relations and make deals.l in the way he is discussing. Being so rigid as to believe that Russia can't also benefit from economic deals ASAP afterwards is very stupid. You are assuming that just because Russian elites want it to go back to how it was that this means this is what Putin wants, too... concluding that from one interview is bonkers. I recognise that it can easily sound like that especially to people who have sacrificed for the goals of the SMO but Putin is a statesman, and while he may lack some of Stalin's "strengths" you should be very grateful that he also lacks Stalin's "weaknesses".
What Putin is clearly trying to convey is that a new leaf has (potentially) been turned in America (whether it really has or not doesn't matter, let the negotiations discover the reality), let's use this opportunity to cool everything down and back down from the escalatory precipice we were heading towards with the Biden administration. How is that bad, exactly? Do you actually want WW3 with America, just for the chance at enacting revenge? How is any of that part of the stated goals of the SMO? It isn't! The American soldiers you would be fighting against, assuming that it doesn't go nuclear (impossible when the USA doesn't have any escalatory alternative) aren't the people who hate you and want to destroy you. None of the people you want to punish—rightfully—the Nudelmans etc will ever be captured in any battlefield. So, why would you be willing to risk tens of millions of Russia lives for? You are not thinking in the big picture, nothing Putin is doing so far is contradicting the achievement of the stated goals of the SMO. Personally I thought Putin was obviously lying through his teeth during the parts of that interview: you fail to see that this is a game being played, it's not about angrily slamming your fist at the UN General Assembly podium. Putin leaves the hard rhetoric to Medvedev, who surely would have been told to cut it out long ago if Putin had a problem with it. The ideal path is to normalise relations with America and wait for some opportunity for some accident to befall these demons.
It can of course use Chinese tech which is becoming superior to the Western tech. China in many areas is starting to pull away from the West in tech developments. Russia should be looking to follow the Chinese examples of how to develop your technologies domestically. In China even the billionaire oligarchy appears to be in full support of the country becoming self sufficient in all areas. China's technological development in the last decade has been nothing short of miraculous.
It should be a major concern for the Russian people. The billionaire oligarchs who surround Putin live in an immensely privileged universe totally divorced from the reality facing the population. They cannot be trusted.
This is a very good question. Many Jews, irrespective of where they live, are more loyal to Israel than to their country of residence. Consider for example, Bill Ackman and Roman Abramovich. It is in Israel's interest, and therefore the interest of "Israel-first" Jews anywhere in the world for Ukraine to win this war and remain a sovereign state. The motives of any Jewish oligarch in Russia who attempts to influence politics should be questioned.
People read the "headline", but so far what's happened, talks, that's all. A suggestion isn't an offer, it's presenting some positive points, but it's been made clear that dealing with the Dec 21 documents presented are the substance, that's not changed. I read this as Russia pressing on changing the "facts on the ground", there's no slackening. Trump's got much more to deal with, like dismantling a hostile deep state and an illegitimate debt money system. I think I'd rather have Putin's problems. In the meantime keep the US engaged, and the Brits and Eurocrats can just go shit their pants.
The great powers speak often not directly but in gestures of intent. To get to the table of solid negotiations, a few more gestures of intent must be made before.
I thought agreeing to the distribution of mineral wealth would be the easy part in any US-Russian deal. Russian government sells mining rights to US companies.
The hard part will be the role of the USD. Trump is trying to insert the US into the Russia - China relationship, trying to get Russia to dump their SWIFT alternative and stop using local currencies for international trade. Putin spoke to Xi after the US meeting, and I suspect some of Trump's demands were incompatible with the China/Russia relationship. Big decision for VVP - the US who changes policies every 4 years, or China who supported them, despite sanctions and NATO pressure.
Why on earth would Russia sell mining rights to US companies when it has the companies that can do it themselves?? Russia can and will sell the processed material to the highest bidder.
Trump is transient - USPolicy remains the same. It will revert to 'normal' as soon as Trump leaves office. Russia knows that more than anyone. It will milk the US for everything possible before that.
As for the US dollar, Russia will take roubles or renminbi. Not dollars. Russia is not going back to Swift. Not when it's spent the last 10yrs Swift-proofing its economy.
"Simplicius decided to run with the western propaganda that any dexterity in negotiations from the Russians represents weakness."
Not the 1st time. It's just easier to scrape the MSM and tie it together with the right words.
Quotes from:
-Politico (a USAID beneficiary)
-ABC (MSM now at war with Trump)
-Institute for the Study of War (a nuland project)
If you want the other side of the story:
"After his meeting on rare earths and the need to crank up that industry, which the Kremlin only provided Putin’s introductory remarks, Rossiya 1’s always seemingly present Pavel Zarubin asked Putin a series of questions from rare eaths to Ukraine to Trump and more:" -Karlof1’s Substack
Considering we have recently passed the 10th anniversary of the Minsk accords where Putin was hoodwinked by the West then I think you are being the naive one. Putin failed to act after the Maidan coup in 2014 leaving the people of the Donbass alone to face the murderous AFU.
Russia failed to act? Do you have eye, ears, and brains to process the incoming nformation from the frontlines in Ukraine? Have you seen a hysterical Macron and other alarmed European compradors? Do you know why they are alarmed?
You know he deliberately threw you that old, dry bone, and you are chewing on it like the hyena as expected?
If such messaging could save 10-20 THOUSAND Russian lives by sweet-talking the US into agreeing to Russian terms, would you not swallow your pride and do the same?
The Kremlin has always focussed on the aims and results, not on PR. PR is soon forgotten, the 'facts on the ground' are what the future is built upon.
>The Kremlin has always focussed on the aims and results
And the results on the ground are what exactly?
>If such messaging could save 10-20 THOUSAND Russian lives
Putin had the power to take over the whole of Ukraine with 10-20,000 Russian deaths in total since Day 1. All he had to do is give the order to hit the targets that would ensure Ukrainian defeat, and that continue to be off-limits even now.
I'm sick and tired of going round and round over the same ground with you. You are simply incapable of learning new perspectives, and simply repeat the same old tired lines, no matter how many times you are logically and rationally contradicted.
What are the "results on the ground"?
Lemme see, Russia has won, defeated the entire West and NATO, increased its standing in the World, gained the territories that voted to join it, and avoided nuclear war. That's a win.
"Putin had the power to take over the whole of Ukraine with 10-20,000 Russian deaths in total since Day 1. All he had to do is give the order to hit the targets that would ensure Ukrainian defeat, and that continue to be off-limits even now."
Armchair corporals rarely can understand the wider situation. Putin does not think about next week, but next decade+. This is why he has been the Russian President for over 20 years, and you are... not.
You are the kind of idiot that would turn the heat up on the pan rapidly, and then watch as the frog hops away - and then find some reason why that was someone else's fault, little doubt.
Actually the situation in the post-Soviet space has deteroriated quite significantly since 1999 - almost all post-Soviet republics have moved out of Russia's sphere and aligned with the West. Even traditional allies like Armenia, Moldova and Kazakhstan. I think unless Belarus gets integrated soon, and Lukashenko Sr gets replaced by his son, a Belarussian alignment with the West is also quite possible - as Lukashenko Srs position depends heavily on personal friendship with Putin. Once that is gone, the situation is questionable.
In short, Russia's foreign policy in the near abroad has been disastorous.
After 2016, it was evident to me how Ukrainian society was oriented vis-a-vis Russia. I don't know how Russian Intelligence could have missed that - they could have asked any guy who spends time on VK or the internet and figured it out.
GM is what's referred to as a "concern" troll. Always acting concerned about things, such as "Putin's disrespect for life if his own people yada yada" bullshit. To think that MI6 spent billions on hasbarrat troll farms, and this GM shit stain came out the other end 🤣🤣🤣 Its Kommisar should shoot the useless monkey now, imo.
Won what? It is likely that Odessa will be given off - there is a reason the US wants 50-50 on port infrastructure - and that means Ukraine retaining control of Odessa. Indeed, Putin has not made mention of it in his speeches, where he said that Russia demands "only the 4 territories". Which means other territories are off the table.
What other results are there? Small movements within the South, the line near Kharkov has stayed the same for nigh on two years, Kursk cannot be liberated for 9 months and we do not know how much longer it will take and if negotiations hit what Putin will trade to get it back. Thats not mentioning the Istanbul Agreement, where Putin offered to give up the entire South and Potentially Crimea in the future.
Odessa is as important to the West as Crimea is to Russia. Russia would go nuclear if Crimea was seriously threatened - do the logical math yourself.
The loss of Odessa to Russia would mean the whole east-central part of Europe flowing back into Russian arms over time.
Russia TRIED recently to cross towards Odessa, and found a hornets nest like they hadn't met before. They may try again, if this continues long enough. But they'll have to come down through Kiev to get there.
As for lack of movements, of course WW1 came to an end when Allied forces swept across Germany in a 'Big Arrow formation', right?
Kursk is a graveyard for Ukraine's far-right corps, that Zaluzhny so painstakingly kept out of severe combat for the 'Stay behind' the NATO generals knew full well this would come to one day. It's a nowhereland of small villages, and trees. The atrocities against the local population will be paid in blood.
3 months ago 50,000 Nazis had died there, now apparently that number is around 100,000, and still growing, with a cauldron forming to trap ALL of them. It is also an opportunity to live-fire train the new troops and corps, and also to show the new recruits the kind of people they are facing in the NATOfied West. They will not forget the lessons they are learning, and they will form the authority structure of the New Russia once Putin and his generation retires.
Putin will be the last pro-Western leader for generations, and he is making sure of that.
Russia never made a concentrated effort to land in Odessa though. It never even tried. It could have been done in the early days before the Ukrainians had time to mine the port. Also the distance from the tip of the Kinburn Spit to the surrounding areas of Ochakov is not so far as not to be impossible to land. But again they hadn't tried.
I assume they wanted to go through Nikolaev, but when that failed they just gave up and that section of the front hasn't moved in years. So unless there is a campaign against Nikolaev (and if Russian command has some sense there will be), there will be no campaign against Odessa. But at the moment it doesn't look like it will happen.
It is also highly unlikely that the West would go nuclear over Odessa - theres a chance they would throw their own troops at it, start provocations, sabotage, etc but not do direct nuclear war. Also, study WW2 to see how the Soviets took it even in the face of a heavy German Resistance. It is not impossible to take Odessa, there just needs to be a political will but its non-existant it seems.
Yea, you should really offer the Kremlin your expert advice and winning recipe for their success. You clearly have oodles of experience in all of these matters. Trot along now. Too many people dying while you play armchair general with yourself.
My hope as to why is to dream of some 4D rope-a-dope plan by Russia to build up their army and military industry, then draw NATO into Ukraine for a final military defeat. Then, declare along with the BRICS a gold backed currency to kill the US$ and the world starts anew.
When I wake from this delusion...
I am more likely to believe the rich are just using us like the always do with political terms, propaganda and threats to hood-wink the world into another grift where the common man is just a tool to make them richer.
As a kid I always thought the USSR and USA would join forces to explore the solar system. What a friggin letdown the last 50yrs have been in that regard.
I long for a world that reaches out to the stars so that we can find something out there to turn our hatred towards instead of each other.
You are right. In a war, a commander-in-chief should first of all be concerned about his soldiers, who are doing the heavy lifting, and not about giving a good impression to the rest of the world, let alone to the USA, the country that is, after all, the instigator of this war.
Where in this article do you see "mineral rights"?
"Putin has earned some raised eyebrows amongst the Russian commentariat for his sudden offer to ‘work with the US’ in exploiting Russian rare earth and mineral resources in both Russia and the Donbass. "
While I often find myself agreeing with you, this is not one of those times. I think Putin's apparent softness is in this case calculated. This is diplomacy. By extending a vague, conciliatory promise of economic cooperation he makes it very inconvenient for Trump to harden his position, for instance by giving any military aid to Ukraine after all. Thus Trump is railroaded into continuing friendly overtures to Russia, while all that time Ukraine is being attrited without any new injections of money and materiel. While the carrot Putin is dangling is very nebulous indeed, and unlikely to become more solid.
But this is a pattern on this and other discussion boards. People take statements by key players, be it Trump or Putin or Erdogan etc., at face value. These are statesmen, folks. What they say is intended to elicit certain responses, but is not necessarily what they feel in the bottom of their hearts. These are sane and devious adults talking, and you can't get to these levels in the first place by being disarmingly honest with your antagonists.
And notice that lower-level communication, by Patrushev and Lavrov for instance, is immediately pouring cold water on these hopes. Guess what, they are not actually disagreeing with their boss; this is all orchestrated, a classic good-cop, bad-cop routine.
Oh please. Gallup polled him not long ago at 87% approval. 13% felt he's too soft. You're not concerned. You read like a daily mail copy paste. You appeal to stupid people. Dumb people, dumb propaganda. You're not winning hearts and minds. I would rather go with the opinions of real Russians and their choice. Not some pretentious word salad bar. If you're so concerned, lobby the Kremlin. Your troll farm is pathetic. Obviously British.
In WW2, the population of the US was a bit less than what the population of Russia is today. Of course the demographic trends in Russia today are worse than those in the US in 1941.
In WW2, the US lost 450k dead. That was fighting wars 1000's of miles from it's shores and yet Americans accepted that it was an existential struggle on some level.
The 450k dead was certainly painful, but from the level of the society as a whole, it barely left a mark.
Russia is fighting on their own borders. The argument for this being an existential struggle is more than plausible. 100,000 dead are 100,000 lost fathers, sons, husbands. But, is the war about existential consequences for Russia or not? The cynical voice will say, "war is a racket" etc...But a nations beliefs and myths are what make it a nation. By myths I don't mean false - none of the stories we live by are entirely factual and literal but they can still be true. Do Russians have reason to take those stores more seriously today than 3 years ago ? I'd say - without really knowing - that the answer is yes. The storeis the Russian Federation tells about itself and it's history are probably more strongly held today than 3years ago. Perhaps that will turn out to be the most significant outcome in the end.
So, is the war in Ukraine as existential to Russia as the war against Japan and Germany was to the US in WW2? I'd say it's easier to make the argument for Russias situation than for the US position in WW2. Thus if the stakes for the US in WW2 can be argued to be at least similar to the stakes for Russia in Ukraine, 100,000 Russian dead in 3 years of war does not seem monstrously out of balance nor a reason to call it quits.
Let's take the city of Zheleznogorsk in Kursk region, i.e. something close to what would have been NATO without an SMO, and something with a population almost exactly 100,000.
Let's then imagine the US launches a JASSM missile with a 100-kit warhead on Zheleznogorsk and it is fully wiped out.
Would nukes fly back in response or not?
And if they don't, what would the consequences be of them not flying back?
P.S. The damage of the SMO is actually much greater than this example, because for those 100,000 there are also 2x that many permanently crippled, plus the physical destruction is much more widespread. Plus a lot of the victims on the Ukrainian side are ethnic Russians too.
Pure conjecture of course. Can be spun in a dozen ways. Fact is your team is down a million plus. 10:1 in Russia's favour. Thought experiment all you want. It's not winning this one for you. You guys do war as bad as you do propaganda.
I'm thinking your thought experiment is apples vs oranges. 3 years of war 100,000 KIA - I don't dismiss the pain of it for Russia or Ukraine, but thats approx 30,000k per year. Add in wounded of course and some pct are permanently maimed, but most return to the fight or to civilian life. So say 50,000/year as permanent losses to the society. Every year the Russians conscript 125,000 - 135,000 from the 18-20 year old cohort. This does not represent every male in that cohort each year, but is suggestive of the sustainable demographic potential in Russia even with the low birth rates that are symptomatic of not just Russia but the entire west - in fact Russian fertility seems to be a visible bit better than in the west.
These losses are painful, but if the aims of the war are truly existential - and I think you can make that argument in a sense similar to what the US faced in WW2, then Russian losses are not outrageous or even debilitating - again US losses at the same population were 4x higher than Russian losses to date. Again, I have no wish to diminish the pain and sorrow that is attached to each and every one of those lost.
Nukes exist both so that nobody dares nuke you and so that nobody dares ever inflict conventional damage to you on such a scale.
The scale of the damage incurred so far and the active treat still persisting have long exceeded the thresholds for launching at the very least tactical nukes that existed both in the Cold War and according to current official Russian doctrine.
I'm not following you. What does Nuclear war have to do with the current fight in Ukraine and Russia's willingness and ability to continue the fight.
Are you suggesting that the Russians should have resorted to Nuclear weapons if they are serious about the nature of the struggle and the fact that they do not is somehow proof that they are not serious.
I'm sorry, I'm just not following your argument. Feel free to clarify.
That is correct. Nukes should have been used a long time ago, mid-2023 the latest.
Not to destroy cities in Ukraine, as a lot of idiots, even in Russia, suggest. Ukraine is Russian land.
But to isolate it from NATO.
Shut down the border crossings and logistics as a first step.
Then if NATO tries to move in directly, erase the first ring of countries off the map and dare the US to either back down (which will also be the end of NATO) or end the world. They will back down.
Russia shoud have lost less than 1000 if they went in right like with 700,000 instead of 120,000 and got punched in the nose and NATO so involved. We did something similar in Iraq "you go to war with army you have" 200,000 US/UK troops when General Zinni said we needed 700,000 to secure country so it turned into a mess too - lucky for us Iraqis only had AK47s so deaths were minimal. Like 4000. Russia not so lucky so over 100,000 dead for Putin's shitty mistake. Russia will win because they can handle death toll it seems politically unlike us but a very ugly win.
Ukraine spent eight years militarizing itself as much as it could.
Meanwhile Russian defense spending went up a bit in 2015-16, but that was because of the Syrian operation, then went down again to levels even slightly below 2014 levels.
Zero preparation for a war with Ukraine basically. Which is why there were no 700,000 ready to go.
I remember the first days of the SMO watching what is happening and expecting any moment the second and third echelons to enter and mop up the remains of the AFU. Because surely nobody would be such an idiot to launch into such an adventure without having prepared properly (how little we knew at the time...). But there were no second and third echelons, they just didn't exist...
Apparently Putin thought he can bluff his way out of this situation by showing pretty graphics of fancy highly advanced missiles and other doomsday weaponry.
The problem is that if you just have those weapons, but you are not willing to use them, then effectively you don't have them and the enemy can proceed as if you don't have them. Which is precisely how Putin's bluff was called.
To be fair America always has been the enemy of everyone else,they just never noticed it until now. All they do is threaten you until you give them resources. Blow up your cheap gas and then become your new supplier at 5 times the cost. Dont agree to a pipeline, heres 10 years of sanctions until your country dies.
Im royally annoyed by this joint venture talk, whats the point of fighting for that?
It's not so much about a "joint venture" per se it's about interrupting the anti-Russian "we don't talk to them," rabid paranoid "diplomacy" that the West was exhibiting for years
Putin's statement that Russia can cut deals with the US over minerals is no more than taking the wind out of the sails of the argument that if the US has an economic interest in western Ukrainian land it will have to put in troops or at the very least continue to support Ukrainian independence militarily. Z said this himself!
Not so, says Putin. US economic interests will be better protected with Russia in charge than the current horrendously costly instability, making it impossible to exploit those interests, anyway.
It is another way of saying that the only way to end this war is for Ukraine to cease to exist as an independent territory.
>Putin's statement that Russia can cut deals with the US over minerals is no more than taking the wind out of the sails of the argument that if the US has an economic interest in western Ukrainian land
Sigh. Why must we cope just like Ukrainian commentariat. Of course I guess I expected a higher level of discourse from the "counter-culture" but I have been disappointed yet again.
Putin said it himself "our partners"....what "partners" can there be that are hell bent on destroying the country, arresting Putin personally and having killed tens of thousands of fellow countrymen? These are not partners, these are mortal enemies. And calling them "partners" serves only to confuse. Imagine Stalin during WW2, calling the Germans "partners", that would have been impossible and he would have been deposed by Zhukov, or even those around him for such a statement.
Precisely. He has been using the term the same way for 20 years. It means what it has always meant with him - that he is willing to work with the west if only the west would work with him.
In the speech in question he didn't talk about partners in an abstract way, as "our Western partners". He instead talked about joint business activities with partners (in a commercial sense) from the West, as possible outlook for the future.
Calling outright enemies "partners" is unacceptable.
In addition, language influences thought - so if you start calling enemies "partners" you begin to think of them like that and not take necessary measures.
Do you see the Ukrainians calling Russia "partners"? No. They are out to destroy Russia - which is how it should be with Russia when it comes to the West.
Calling outright enemies "partners" is unacceptable.
In addition, language influences thought - so if you start calling enemies "partners" you begin to think of them like that and not take necessary measures.
Do you see the Ukrainians calling Russia "partners"? No. They are out to destroy Russia - which is how it should be with Russia when it comes to the West.
I suppose it to be a good thing to ease tensions with the West. I don’t see Putin “giving away the farm “. Russia is now the 4th largest economy in the world (PPP). He must be doing something right.
Putin has been using “Partners” since “forever “. IMHO he has made some very difficult choices which, so far, have turned out well.
Scipio is certainly allowed to criticize Putin’s choices. I welcome that input. I believe Scipio’s point is that the West should not be trusted. I agree.
Putin’s use of the word “partners”, as it is translated to English, is pretty much meaningless. He could have said “those guys “ and conveyed the same message.
Communication is two-way. I don’t think there is any special meaning in the use of “partner “ in Putin’s statements. It’s just being polite.
Putin also has been falling for the West's okey doke since forever. Note that Western leaders never call Putin a "partner" but are quite open in their wish to subjugate and destroy Russia.
So what? If you want to provide an alternate translation I won’t object. I don’t see Putin “falling “ for anything. As far as I’m concerned this debate over the word “partners “ is silly, proving nothing of substance.
I acknowledge that you and Scipio believe Putin is making a mistake. I don’t agree. So what?
Yes, indeed, and it's not as if this is something new, i.e. a mistake that can be forgiven a chance to repent given.
These are people who have been busy trying to destroy Russia for, depending on the specific country, between more than a century and five centuries.
Why does Germany still exist? OK, the US has nukes, can't nuke them down to zero, but Germany should have been fully wiped out the moment German tanks again entered Kursk. After WWI, then 27M dead in WWII, from which Russia never really recovered, resulting in the Soviet collapse as a delayed consequence, what sort of Russian leader working in the interests of the the country would ever want anything to do with them again? This after Russia subsidized them with cheap enerrgy, at the direct expense of its own people, for half a century, and they still send the tanks again. End it once and for all, with fire.
ok ... you can nitpick.... but have you read the article?
As not to be called lazy i have localized the text for the current times in brackets. I think that it is evident what partnership meant then and what it means now
"Seventy-five years ago, on 23 August 1939, (read few days ago) Hitler's Germany (Trumps USA) and Stalin's Russia (Putins Russia) stunned the world by announcing that they had concluded a non-aggression pact, committing themselves not to aid each other's enemies (or vote against them in UN) or to engage in hostile acts against one another. Stalin (Trump) knew the pact would not be popular. "For many years now," he said, "we have been pouring buckets of shit on each other's heads, and our propaganda boys could not do enough in that direction. And now, all of a sudden, are we to make our peoples believe that all is forgotten and forgiven? Things don't work that fast." Many western European communists (US Republicans), disgusted at this turn of events, left the party at this point (hahahaa ...you would think that... but really?) in what was probably the largest exodus of members before the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956 (cricket sounds....). The front garden of Nazi party headquarters in Munich (DC) was quickly filled with party badges and insignia thrown there by party members appalled at the thought of an alliance with the communist enemy they had spent their lives fighting against."
"The shock would have been all the greater had people been aware of the secret clauses of the pact (not so secret phone calls... despite there actually being a red phone line), with subsequent addenda, in which the two states agreed to partition Poland (Ukraine) between them – Germany (Trump) taking the (mineral resources of the) larger part – while Hitler (Trump) conceded that the independent Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, Finland and parts of Romania (read Putins wargoals) would fall into the Soviet sphere of influence."
"Shockingly, Stalin also handed back a substantial number of German communists who had taken refuge in the Soviet Union after the Nazi seizure of power; some of them, arrested during the purges, were taken directly from the Soviet Gulag to a German concentration camp."
(well here we have a trade of one US teacher vs one Russian cybercriminal and drug money launderer... so not as big of a sin as "communist" but still even there we can draw a parallel
An article that calls the Moltov Ribbentrop pact an "alliance" cannot be taken seriously. Yes, it was questionable. And yes, some "gestures of good will" were made, but this was before the war started. During the war and the crises period there was no calling of the Nazis "partners". There was before hand because there was still hope that things could be resolved peacefully.
Russia is currently at war with the Americans. There is no hope to resolve it peacefully. This means that calling them "partners" is a betrayal. That is my point.
And yes, some "gestures of good will" were made ... you mean some splitting of other nations as war plunder? Like pass me the gravy jar level of gestures?
Of course there was no partnership after the WW2 started because Hitler was a backstabber. Any current resemblance to current situation where longterm allies now have justified cause for concern is also trivial?
"there was still hope that things could be resolved peacefully. " you are likely intentionally missing the point that the alliance was simply to allow them to carve up extra conquests... but as it invariably happens greedy bastards never stop being greedy leading to "friction" and inevitable dick measuring
The funny thing is that America never declared any war... thus they are not formally in war. It is literally the "we have been pouring buckets of shit on each other's heads, and our propaganda boys could not do enough in that direction" phase from WW2 while aiming to carve up other peoples lives
Well there is a way to resolve it peacefully. It is also quite obvious. Trump sells out principles for cash. Putin is appeased. War stops. Lives do get saved.
But as history has shown, either of them will eventually break the word and decide that it was "not enough" and that they need "more"... and then we get the "history repeating" jingle again.
churchill and roosvelt groomed nazi germany for years to use them against ussr and stalin stood at the same table with both of those pos and called them allies.
I'll add my 2c worth here, since the first thread has turned to complete fertiliser (as does any thread featuring the General Moron.)
Bearing in mind that any mineral extraction effort involving Western companies will have a timeline to first export of anything worthwhile measured in years (decades are not uncommon).
The key thing to remember is that possession is nine-tenths of the law, i.e. no matter which Western company gets involved in the extraction of whatever element, be it Titanium, Aluminium or whatever, the mine, the plant associated with it, the mining equipment, etc is IN RUSSIA.
So if, in the fullness of time, a Biden/Obama V3 appears on the scene and tries again, well, that's a mighty fine bit of mining production you've paid for, it's Mother Russia's now.
The offer of minerals partnership by VVP is a VERY clever way of getting the West to pay for rebuilding of parts of the Donbass and Luhansk that otherwise would HAVE to come out of Moscow's pocket. As ever, VVP plays the long game very intelligently.
Agreed. There are multiple perspectives playing in Putin's favour, most though assuming one hard fact on the ground. Russia takes back Ukraine- all of it. It continues the grind as the babble drowns out what is actually happening militarily.
Everyone is talking about minerals and energy. No one is talking about food. Cars and goods are luxuries if you don't have enough to eat. If we reach 2 degrees of warming by 2030-35, and there's no reason to think that we won't, food insecurity in Africa, India, West Asia and South America will become severe. Productivity of wheat in the exporting bread baskets of Russia, Ukraine, the US, Australia and France will decline by about 20%. 2.5 billion people (1.5 billion already in food insecurity) depend on this trade import of wheat surplus to survive.
You have a bit of reading to do about "global warming". I agree with you that not having enough food is bad, but the reason you don't hear about is, is that it is intentional. Read "Plunderers of the Earth" by Julius Ruechel.
my brother in christ, in the roman age the temp was by average with 2. degrees(C) warmer than in the following (half of)millennia; we are more or less back to that; also have a look at how the depopulation of north-american continent and the changes in woods burning pattern etc influenced global weather/temperature.
are you...offering your opinions as proof/source? :))
also i don`t know how to politely formulate this, but if you think you can know temperatures from 7k years ago within single digit degree accuracy you are dumb.
It's not germane to this thread but nor is it bullshit. War's v. bad for emissions reduction. The climate data's horrific and physics is indifferent to you and the WEF.
Access to food is not germane to access to Ukraine's fertile land or co-operation with wheat producing Russia in a time of food insecurity? What planet are you on?
Debating the reality of global warming wasn't the point of this article. Food security is a vital strategic concern. China doesn't bother storing more food than any other nation for fun. It thoroughly understands the politics of food security and the threat of global warming so it's also got massive energy tech and infrastructure now.
Hiya lowly snail, no, debating the reality of global warming wasn’t the point of the article nor of my comment. Highlighting the greater importance of food security over minerals and gas as the planet warms was.
Storing food only goes so far when you can’t produce more and renewable energy doesn’t help if you’re starving, but yes China understands. Is China going to share this food with Africans or whoever when billions start dying? Will food not be a huge global political tool as the climate crisis worsens?
No one in the West, in MSM or alt. media even acknowledges the issue exists let alone debates it.
If you still believe that Klaus Schwab SquarePants and his vanity club WEF virtue signalling 'globalists' are actually in control and are faking the environmental crisis, you're the fucking moron. No offence.
Productivity of wheat in Russia will decline by 20% due to global warming? Are you thinking-disadvantaged? The main obstacle to greater agricultural productivity in Russia is the cold climate. With the Siberia warming, wheat production will skyrocket.
No, wheat production in the wheat producers globally overall will decline by 15-20%. Russia may well benefit relatively but global warming is only one aspect of the climate crisis which includes increased floods and droughts and loss of biodiversity and pollinators.
Hi RalfB you do not have to insult me to get your point across. To paraphrase Lavrov debate is 2 well-mannered people, who don’t put aside their differences, of which there can be many, but who politely start a dialogue. If your point is valid, just make it.
The time frame we are talking about is 5 to 10 years. Not long enough for the Arctic ice and permafrost to melt, for 1000s of acres of land to be prepared, planted and cultivated to feed millions. People can’t eat potential. Especially as these people are not in Russia. Even with warming causing loss of productivity from existing land, Russia will have no problem feeding herself. And she has plenty of lucrative raw materials and goods to trade without going to the trouble of making a wheat surplus to sell to the world’s poorest people in developing countries. Though if she did, whom she chooses to sell to would have huge strategic importance.
All in all, millions (more) starving in the 5-10 years and no one’s talking about it.
Whatever your views, which can be politely debated, why is no one talking about it?
LMFAO! Utter bullshit I've been hearing since the 80s. Then it toned down a notch until that schmuck running for the top US office revived the con big time in 1999 again. Our family beachfront property was supposed to be 4 feet underwater by 2012. Spoiler..it's not. It's the same as it was since 1697 when my forefathers built this place up, harbour and all, with brass tide markers set in stone that's still 100% accurate today as it was then. Any "climate change" will be what your overlords tells you it is, all "calculated and fact checked" by them, and you go to prison when you show them 330 years of embedded tide markers. Earth experiences warming or ice ages every so many decades and longer. It's not a man made construct and it's not sudden. Start from here and set yourself free.
Once again, retarded. Straight up total ignorance of *actual* science.
1. The "temperature" of the Earth right now is the same as it was in the 1930's
2. Plants eat Carbon Dioxide. It's plant food, nothing more. See the results of NASA's OCO missions.
3. The only food "productivity" losses are entirely due to Billionaires and Mega-Corporations buying up crop land and making it fallow i.e. not cropping it, which naturally drives up food prices (aka Profit)
Take your single white left wing childless womans ignorance to some other place, leave the adult conversations to those actually capable of having them.
Pointless to educate the climate doom cult. Their dole depends on it. Easily frightened, easy to manipulate. And I bet it's double jabbed and triple boosted too.
not so sure the current US team is capable seeing a point as subtly stated as that ... if that was the point yo begin with in the first place ! Infact, even Macron during his joint presser with Trump made the argument that USA would have to secure Ukraine to secure their business interests. Brian Berletic in his recent conversation with Prof Glen Diesen draws similarities to Syria where US boots are indeed on ground protecting the oil interests/looting operations. Hopefully, the Russian side makes it abundantly explicit in their current apparent bon homie with the Trump admin.
If Russia doesn't not win the war strongly, the perception will be Russia is weak, and Ukraine fought them to a draw. This would be a false perception, but false perceptions can change reality if enough people believe it.
The reason why Europe dogpiled on Russia was the perception Russia was weak.
I think you mean "Combined NATO". Russia fighting the combined NATO to a draw will not look "Weak", and the hysterics among the European vassal misleadership will make it plain to anyone with a single wise braincell just how big a deal this is.
In 5 years or so, the mainstream Western corporate media consensus will have figured out a way to spin this and revise the Official Narrative any way they want, and even if Russia rolled over every ex-Soviet nation they would STILL be "Weak and the losers".
And any Westerner who still listens to these pravda lunatics will still seem batshit insane and disconnected to Reality, and anyone who questions this unreality will be accused of 'conspiracy-mongering'.
The narratives are already written, the Kremlin need take no note of them.
Few over 40 have heard or know anything about gamergate.
Iraq war lies.
Corbyn lies.
Israeli lies.
Russiagate lies.
Covid lies.
And the singular fact that every simpleton who still purchases their daily propaganda is a factual cretin who spouts daily nonsense and manufactured outrage.
The Murdochisation of every media outlet has made them all unwatchable to people who do not appreciate tabloid psychopathy.
That we have just discovered they all sup from the CIA goblet is the final straw. Some "Independent free media" when their funders are the US regime directly.
According to Simplic's own survey results he posted, there is a LARGE majority of his posters being well over 40. And very few under that age.
So perhaps it's not as simple as you think.
BTW, the problems of "Gamergate" came from Millennial and Gen Z fanaticism, I was on the cutting edge of Gen X 'progressivism', and we simply didn't have this kind of problem until you 'young un's' turned up and lost all balance. Shit needed to change from the Boomers BS, but you idiots turned it into a fucking religious quest.
It is amazing you waffle on about gamer gate, without once mentioning the hate movement gamer gaters were pushing back against.
Gamer Gate was a reaction to feminism, nothing to do with Gen Z or millennial fanaticism, if you are not willing to be honest about a subject, better off not speaking about it.
The fact you are stuck in a cope narrative for your own comfort proves you are just projecting hard.
Gamergate got crushed hard, It was either full of right wing idiots, ranting on about the left, or it was full of ass lickers who wanted to out feminist the feminists. (Full of concern trolls who wanted to virtue signal and prove they didn't hate women.)
You have to be deeply deranged and delusional to deny that gamergate lost. The feminist take over of culture went ahead, and it is now worse than ever. Are you living under a rock?
I know you will post a spaz out if you reply to this, as you can't deal with reality.
The right wing clowns from clown world are still coping.
And when those (like Russia) powerful enough to stand up to these cunts realise that psychology ops through mainstream media are their strongest weapon they will treat mainstream media et al as a legitimate target. Discuss.
Sadly, Russia and China and the true Islamic World still follow the old norms, and do not target journalists no matter how malicious and dishonest they are.
Whereas the West has been targetting every authentic and honest journalist they can get in their sights for years, beginning with all the "Accidental friendly fire" on independents in Iraq, if not before.
Yes, I see what you mean and I didn't really explain what I meant very well.
I'm not talking so much about individual journalists but the entire structure of bullshit that is the Western media: it is one of their largest and strongest divisions. It wins hands down against Russia et al.
I may be writing pie-in-the-sky stuff here but think of what I'm writing in terms of Orwell, say. Western media, social media et al has real power both within and without the West in it's ability to deceive and manipulate because it's driver isn't journalism but media and public relations; which in turn go back to people like Edward Bernays (Freud's nephew) and the beginnings of using psychology/psychoanalysis to manipulate and control the masses. This is what Western media now is and the large majority of those who work within are not journalists; they are smart-arse schills for billionaire owners/conglomerates, international finance and all those that have now co-opted Western states to their control: a de facto division of the military, as it were. If the pen is mightier than the sword then here is an example of where we are going if they are not stopped.
These people are so cunningly insidious that while media and state have merged, they shaped this outcome under freedom of speech, liberty, democracy etc but are in fact doing the opposite, a la Orwell and now "war is peace, freedom is slavery etc. The small cabal of ghouls that run the West long ago threw away posturing as authoritarian strong men; rather, they are like pedophiles that manipulate, groom and offer sweeties and convenience before they tear you a new arsehole.
If that structure is not taken on, we are heading for the Dystopias written of in science fiction et al. And I write this not only about Russia but also in terms of Trump. If his administration don't address media ownership and it's alliance with the deep state then they may get him one way or another; they've been unsuccessful so far but they are relentless.
These are thoughts and of course I've considered that what they propose is just fascism. But one way or another the twisting, deceit and manipulations of language by the worst of humankind is now a State cartel. In the interests of Adam Smith capitalism it has to broken up as it is now a tyranny. That is what the market has now become because it's been taken over by parasites.
On a positive note, here I am writing courtesy of Simplicius and Substack to you. People are fighting back and Simplicius has got an army of intelligent thinkers and possible actors together below the line from different parts of the world. I am so pleased to be exchanging ideas and analysis with people from Russia that write in such great English.
People are abandoning mainstream media in droves. However, mainstream media with the backing of the state are on the hunt and they are the ones censoring; they're after those like us on independent platforms
So if censorship is happening anyway and likely to get worse which division of the globalist Western military really needs cutting down?
I wish I could give you more than one like, Anthony.
Btw, sounds like you would greatly enjoy the works of the UK analysis outfit MediaLens.
Their books are a fantastic historical trove of western corporate media misinformation, disinformation and psyops, but their articles are completely free.
This is why the likes of Martin Wolf are so distraught.
Mr. Martin Wolf was born into a jewish family and has been using the shoah-biz profiteering memes for all his life. Wolf is regarded as "staggeringly well connected" within financial circles. He stands firmly for the City of Looters and fascist mega-corporations like BlackRock. We can also be sure that Mr. Wolf is a deep admirer of Kol Nidre.
As a deeply dishonest “thinker” (of Bernard Levy grade) Martin Wolf continues insisting that Israel is a "democracy." Mazel Tov, Wolf, on your support for the self-proclaimed Nazis (banderites) In Ukraine and the ongoing Genocide in Palestine! The followers of jewish fascist Jabotinsky are strong in the UK and Israel.
Russia has been winning strongly since it's first victim - Mongol Empire. We talk centuries here. Constant wars, multiple capitals hosting Russian troops for a while. Never worked for any prolonged period of time. 12 wars with Ottoman Empire alone... Never worked, never will.
Although scratch that. Russia never salted the earth of a fallen enemy. Will that solve the issue? Perhaps.
Talk about getting ahead of yourself! I don't get the joint venture stuff either. Stay focussed. What has to happen is that Ukraine must be disarmed, denazified and neutral. As for the Chinese, I don't think they should take arms talks completely off the table. Position should be, We develop capabilities in accordance with the threats we face. Pull back from our coast, quit messing with Taiwan, stop stirring up trouble in Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Myanmar and the South China Sea and maybe we can talk about reductions. Of course it won't happen.
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Kekkius Maximus needs to pull Star Link. He never wanted it used for war.
Kursk did exactly wnat it was intended to do, which was switch the narrative from the inevitability of Ukrainian defeat to that of Russian incompetence.
Ukraine is happy to keep feeding men and materiele into that incursion, as every day that the incursion persists, so does the narrative.
Well written.
My favorite part of 2022 was "we kick the door (with sanctions) and the entire thing collapses".
The war in Ukraine began in 2014, when the Kyiv regime decided to obliterate Russian language and culture from the whole of Ukraine, including the parts in the east where most people were of Russian language and culture.
It may have started then however the planning and provocations started decades earlier.
The CIA has always instigated trouble. I really believe it's the biggest danger to the world, and must be abolished though that won't be easy.
The "ethnic" Kievan Junta is a baby of the US ziocon/CIA/NATO thugs.
The Kagans' clan and its famous member, Nuland-Kagan, who collaborated with the Ukrainian Nazi Party to initiate WWIII against Russia, are possessed by rabid Russophobia. They are mad with their supremacist lunacy, the idea of full-spectrum talmudic dominance, and boundless hatred towards "others:" Iranians, Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, Germans, Spaniards, Poles, Russians, Palestinians... All these nations has a misfortune of being infested by the nomadic jewish tribe that lives by "rules-based order" founded in Kol-Nidre, a permission to lie to and swindle the "others."
The jewish bolshevik revolution in Russia was financed by the German and American jews belonging to the same incestuous family. The westerners are in general blithely unaware about the enormous crimes committed against people of the former Russian empire by jewish revolutionaries. There was the Goloschyokin (Itsikovich) Genocide in Kazakhstan, where 40% of native Kazakhs were "eliminated." There was a mass murder of Russian officer corps (the 50,000 POWs) in Crimea, which was organized by jews Zalkind ("Zemlyachka") and Cohn ("Bela Kun"). The system of concentration camps, GULAG, was led by Naftali Frenkel. The inventor (and practitioner) of the a gas chamber was the NKVD operative Isai Berg. The first soviet government was 85% jewish, and they were set on destroying Russian civilization.
The aipac-occupied US congress has been betraying American citizenry and western civilization. The American patriot Henry Ford's warning, "The International Jew," should have been an obligatory reading for each member of US congress. Instead, US congress stands firm with the Ukrainian Nazis and Israeli genociders, thus bankrupting the USA financially and morally.
Steve Witkoff the jew - listen to him dissemble about the genocide in palestine committed by his tribe.
"he Clinton-Bush-Obam-Bidena [zion don] foreign policy" is the jew foreign policy with the USA as the big dumb goyim....
Ukraine is the worst of all the puppets.
The fawning and simpering of Napoleonette with Trump was hilarious. He acted like a teeny-bopper at a boy-band concert or a drunk woman coming on to a guy at a low-life bar. This guy is a national leader? Trump really does have these Europeans buffaloed. Even Trump looked shocked and embarrassed.
Just making sure that the "part A" of the binary poison that MI6 is aiming at Trump has made thorough contact with DJT.
Not sure if required but, just in case
/s
he was selected for his insignificance, lack of competence, and "interesting" private life with an "interesting" one of a murky past.
Hegseth said plainly that Western troops sent to Ukraine would not have Art5 protection.
So as far as Trump is concerned, it won't "Be a problem". Nor would they live long enough to need "Backstopping". Starmer may rage, but it's hardly like the fucker wasn't directly warned. Macron will smarm, and they both will be removed soon anyway, to go on to lucrative private-sector work, with nary a glance back at the broken bodies and families of the brave troops who followed their orders.
Any more than B'Liar, KKKlinton or Chimpie did.
Haha, who is Chimpie?
Chimpie was one of GWB's nicknames back in the day. He looked like a very stupid chimpanzee - and still does.
Haha, gold!
Hilarious 😂
Indeed. Even in chimp world he's a fucking retarded cunt.
you mean a chimp like Obama?
Chimpy McFlightsuit was the full moniker. It's been a while. There was also Jorge W. Busheron, the Caudillo of Crawford; along with the noted Islamic theologian Imam Al-Dubya, Mahdi of West Texas; plus Curious Jorge leading his misunderestimated Mesopotamian misadventure. Typical western clown-leader dancing to the tune of the oligarchs.
Wow, I lived on the Net in the early 00s, and I hadn't heard of those! I'm guessing you were a regular denizen of 4Chan back then, lol?
AKA mission creep 101
Bucha - I didn't know that - known to be 'pro Russian' civilians were they? Makes it even more ludicrous to try pin it on Russians, if so.
Which is why Russia goes after the Azov/Kraken types... hard.
And why *they* DON'T stand and fight anymore... just run.
Yes, I knew about the 'three days dead' thing and all that. I've been convinced of 'false flag' for a long, long time. I just didn't know that particular detail: the white armbands.
You know generally I'm of the opinion that the soldiers on both sides are mere dupes and, in fact equals. 'Brothers'.
But more and more this Kiev Ukraine lot begin to look really, truly, 'bad'.
There's constant propaganda on russian TG channels about their atrocities and perpetual attacks on civilians and I've generally seen them with a sort of 'ho hum' because I've thought they could probably say the same about the Russian side.
But more and more I tend to believe this is honest and true indignation and shock they're manifesting.
Don't forget the UK blocking of the Russian proposal for an independent UN investigation into Bucha. That's the ultimate sign that it was a "job"/FF.
That is very sad. How did you get such information? RT? I love to learn the insider take because the Western media are Khazars.
The Russians demanded an investigation of Bucha at the UNSC and got a 'crickets chirp' response.
Same with that passenger aircraft that NATO shot down over Donbass, killing all those on board, notably a large contingent of Dutch. And they blamed Russia and forbid Russia from the investigations. Whoever ruled Holland at that time needs to be executed, all of them. They are complicit in the murder of many of their own citizens and others to create the Putin monster mantra. I have never since felt more disgusted with people of my own bloodline. I hope that payback, when it comes, is slow, cold, cruel and very painful.
So Russia's withdrawal was an especially bitter betrayal of its friends.
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That's interesting. If you have any supporting links or references I'd be pleased to see them. I try to keep a list of such things ready for me to trot out to the doubters and accusers.
Senator Black, ex military prosecutor did a good overview on Bucha 2 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh0LWt5hR98
Thanks for that. It is useful. But at the same time he's only summing up the bare facts as he knows them and giving expression to his 'hunch'. We'd really like to see some evidentiary material from perhaps soldiers of the Kiev side at that time or civilian witnesses.
Not to convince 'us'. We are convinced. It seems plain enough. But to convince the accusers and the doubters.
Lavrov stated that Russia repeatedly asked the UN for the list of the names of the people killed in Bucha and never received, even by now. Why the UN never demanded from Ukraine to provide such list? The burden of proof is with Ukraine not with Russia. Lavrov was stating that cars with British numbers were in the area, Ukrainian "karateli" (punishers) were in the area. Ukraine must produce the names of all people killed.
https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1707704211398389779
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1775853736411226449
Yes. This is a major point. A real issue.
Also, Pentagon was unable to confirm at the time, when everything was "fresh" - look at the dates. I mean, I'm sure the US scans Ukraine non-stop, and what - no images? I'm sure that Pentagon would love to be able to confirm - but nope.
https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-cant-independently-confirm-atrocities-ukraines-bucha-official-says-2022-04-04/
There are videos of Russian Forces shooting at civilians in Bucha. It was during the capture and clearing of Bucha. And these shootings should be investigated (and I hope Russia did) to improve the ROE to minimize civilian deaths.
In my opinion, this footage was used by Ukraine and the West to fabricate their "genocide in Bucha" part of their story. They added some own white-striped bodies after the recaptured it and then sold it as: "see the Ruzzkis did this!".
It was a very good PR move by Ukraine, while hiding their own killings. Zelensky could even use it as the reason he broke off any negotiations with Russia, while Boris was there and told him "YOU can BEAT Russia! We will GIVE you EVERYTHING you want". Nearly three years later it didn't played out that well for Ukraine.
This point makes me angry, the most. They could've had a compromise in April '22. But no, Russia had to be checked. Three years later, there are MILLIONS of death or crippled. And Ukraine did loose MORE ground in the process while wasting these people .
It doesn't make sense to me.
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clayt0n
Everything in his body language screamed "I'm lying!" in that clip. He made it clear - anything or anyone "Pro-Russian" is a target. After all, this is the scum that ordered the massacres in Bucha, and other mass murders, such as the terrorist attack on the concert in Moscow.
Human life means very little to him.
Nor does he put Western lives above any others.
He would happily cheer and wave through French and British Army troops onto Ukrainian soil knowing the Russian missiles were already on the way to their position.
Probable the same too of American troops.
In fairness to the POS, the West did the same to the Ukrainian population.
They would happily "conscript" every man, boy and woman to send to the meatgrinder front.
The West likes such people as their lackies. Western leaders would do the same to their own population.
In other words he's perfect zionist scum.
Exactly
How does the "body language" imply he's being dishonest?
His face is tightly controlled, and he sneers while mentioning him - an odd thing to do if this is the first time he's actually heard of an American journalist who died in his custody. If he hadn't heard of him for all he would know this could be a top corporate US talking head and he would show concern at possible repercussions.
His attitude is all over the place - antagonism, no interest, false sympathy, covert hostility, plus he's supposedly sniffing the white powder. A person one instinctively does not trust.
I haven't been able to bear to hear, watch or even see the POS for over a year. I avoid most of Simp's clips even, but wanted to see that one out of interest.
Final straw came with that broadcast from the Rada ~year or so again, with obvious Nazi symbolism *EVERYWHERE*, obvious Nazi thugs in the chamber, and his 'speech' just sounded like one of Hitler's rants - same phrases too.
It was sickening. Strangely, not a single 'anti-Russian' would watch it at all. Cognitive dissonance too painful, I suppose.
Wow, talk about "body language". Did you see him in the get-together at the White House with Trump and Vance? Arms folded across his chest, wearing a black shirt with quasi-nazi sign on it. Maybe coming down off a cocaine high, too, not too sociable!
I agree. And in the last contact, Gonzalo was stating that "Nuland knows my name." I'm sure she put pressure to "teach a lesson."
Her favourite flavour: "Russian blood".
when will russia start making sure the jew such as Nuland, blinken, soros, start having "accidents" wherever they may be?
He openly contradicts himself.
Recall how often Zelia screams about the need to shut down Russian intelligence and Russian journalists operating in Ukraine.
Then he refers to Gonzalo Lira as "Russian intelligence" and a "journalist who is half-Russian" but says he knows nothing about the guy and that he couldn't have been a danger.
Of course Zelenskii is lying. But, since persons of influence and authority in the US have since dropped the matter, it is irrelevant.
So Mr Zelensky was prepared to tell the world that he, supposedly the head of the Kiev regime, allowed its executioners to murder a US citizen without his knowledge. That argues incompetence and utter blindness impermissible in a head of state.
Based on your intro, I think I’ll actually skip the whole thing. 8-)
He lies easily, as sociopaths do.
NOOOO HARDEN YOUR HEART OH PUTIN
Just saying no to everything is the strategy of a two year old and of the europeans. Putin is better than that.
well said
How much better to harden his heart than to expose to the world, a snake that sells out their allies for the simplest trinket? As it was said to be an enemy is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal. What better poison but to reinforce that truth?
You are advocating continuous war?
I am not advocating anything, I am stating possibilities based on statements from Politicians. I would prefer if there were no wars, but my preference does not create reality.
"How much better to harden his heart" (not advocating??)
"I am stating possibilities based on statements from Politicians" What possibilities? What politicians? Whose reality?
I honestly believe your comment was not directed to me and I responded to you in error. So my apologies, if your comment was directed at me then we can continue the conversation if not let us end here.
Silly and senseless.
Or senseless and silly
take your choice.
Harden your heart to what?
Are you advocating continuous war?
Putin must not be fooled by the West and their mercurial promises that become irrelevant with each leadership change. You can only count on the US to serve itself and on the EU to lick their boots. Russia must continue until the SMO's goals are achieved
Anything less would be wasting the sacrifices of countless servicemen as conflict erupts again in the future when the parties behind it think everyone has forgotten their tricks. That would be the continuous war you seem to be railing about.
Offering goods for sale at prices and under conditions to be negotiated is not by any means "being fooled". It is a simple market transaction. As always, the seller has the right not to sell.
The West's leadership hasn't changed for countless generations, the same perverse bloodline Crime Families use any and all resources at their disposal to ensure humanity has to struggle, this to distract them from discovering their true potential and finally ousting the parasites, by sending them to the hell from whence they came.
>That all being said, the argument that Putin’s statements are harmful do have some merit. Imagine yourself as a Russian soldier on the front, your comrades dying left and right around you, only for your leader to timidly offer the adversary mineral rights under the very land now being fertilized with your blood.
Nice to see you finally acknowledging this reality. If only more people did...
>The Russian armed forces have now likely lost somewhere approaching 100,000 dead if not more, the least they deserve in their colossal sacrifice is to know they didn’t die in vain; a stronger message from the commander-in-chief ensuring that objectives will be met would go a long way here.
Yes, indeed.
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Russia has loads of real resource wealth. The economic value to it of Ukrainian land is always going to reside in trading what is there (I mean the minerals, not the land itself- I did not realise I had not made that clear. The value of the land is its shield against NATO so Putin is never giving that up). That is all Putin was saying. I have no idea why Simplicius decided to run with the western propaganda that any dexterity in negotiations from the Russians represents weakness. That is how europe is trying to sell this. I do not recognise this as a belief amongst Russians except from the western propaganda arm dug in there always trying to do Putin down by pushing the argument that he is not being tough enough!
There is a Russian wing in Moscow that would be tougher militarily, MUCH tougher, that Putin wheels out routinely for western consumption - namely, remove me and what will replace me will be worse for you. Much worse. That is certainly true.
FAFO as they say.
Any export of non-renewable resources is grand treason, unless you are desperate for critically important technology imports or you are trading non-renewable resources you have for non-renewable resources you simply don't have at all.
However in Russia's case:
1) It has a lot of everything
2) It has the scientific potential to be technologically self-sufficient (a country that builds hypersonic missiles, nuclear reactors and space rockets cannot build its own microchips not because it lacks the scientists and engineers)
3) It is exporting raw resources not to develop its own industrial basis, the way Stalin did in the 1930s, but for the Russian oligarchy to buy itself more megayachts, mansions, limousines and private jets. Which is the very defintion of purely wasteful consumption.
4) It is also importing finished Western high-tech goods, killing off any potential for internal development.
Now why is exporting raw resources grand treason? It should be obvious:
1) They are the only real wealth that there is out there (unlike paper money or symbols on screens)
2) They are non-renewable, thus giving them away means your own future generations are deprived of them
3) Being a raw resource appendage suppresses internal development (as described above)
The best thing that could happen to Russia would be for it to be completely shut down from being able to export raw resources. It will erode the power of the oligarchs and will stimulate internal industrial and technological development.
Which is kind of what has been happening as a result of the sanctions, but only in a mild version.
That the Russian elites and leadership are so eager to go back to being a raw resource appendage is an extremely negative sign.
Indeed. It seems to me that your analysis was correct and the elites are trying to turn back time and get access to the West again, trying to go back to things "as they were before". These overtures are troubling, as knowing Russian elites they will cuckold themselves out for the West and have since Yeltsins time. We are already seeing it with Putins really weak messaging.
I am not convinced by Simplicus' message that Putin is the consummate politician and that the lower echelon is showing us the true thinking of Russian elites - it is Putin who ultimately makes the decisions on further policies and though the lower echelons can gnash their teeth in disagreement, it would all be futile if Putin decides to take a policy of "appeasement". I think that Putin's signalling, is what he indeed is planning. There is no "4D" chess here. It is purely Putin staying true to himself.
With that being said, microchips are incredibly hard to create particularly since Russia fell 30 year behind. It is not the USSR in terms of scientific development, and it doesn't have the budget to match the Chinese in terms of microchip development (the Chinese spent the equivalent of 1 trillion USD last year on microchip developemnt). There is no way Russia can compete at the moment. It is forced to rely on the West for Chips.
Chinese chips are not yet at a level where they are reliable. Plus the Chinese aren't very trustworthy - we can see that by how they have remained "neutral" and continued selling drone parts to the Ukrainians/West and with some Chinese banks even sanctioning Russia and refusing to transact with Russia. In addition, it has not sent any military equipment to Russia either to match the amount of Western weapons sent to Ukraine. China is also taking a conciliatory to the West in many things, but not everything.
Oh..
So those chips win everything? Oreshnik, Kinzhal etc says nyet.
You fail to see how China is playing the West and is Russias most important ally. Trump wants to divide Russia away from China as nixon did in the early 1970s.
Russia should be stepping up its economic and military ties with China. It is the only way to protect itself from the American empire which in decline is becoming ever more desperate and aggressive.
Oh, it does have the budget, it just flows out of the country.
And it is not a question of catching up in 4-5 years starting from the current starting point, it is a question of policy going back decades.
Remember that the Chinese were even further behind Russia 30-40 years ago in that area.
With a program of serious investment plus repatriation of all the Russian engineers who are developing chips in the US (you can put them in Sochi, or even negotiate with the Georgians, if they are really addicted to a warm climate) it can be done. It is a matter of priorities.
Less pipelines and LNG export terminals, no megayachts, mansions in France and Italy, private jets, etc., and no more taking money out of the country, raise taxes on the rich (Russia has obsecenly low taxes right now), and the resource will be found.
Sure, China will always have the manpower advantage, but this is a matter of national survival. There isn't really much of a choice. The goal isn't to have the best 1.5 nm processors on the market, the goal is to be self sufficient for survival purposes, which is a lower bar.
How are you going to get back Russian Engineers producing chips for the West though? Many of them don't want to come back, in large part because the Russian Constitution has a "no ideology allowed" clause (don't forget the current Russian constitution was written by the Americans) and that means that many of the Engineers grew up with American movies/cartoons/dreams of living in the West. Many are also very liberal. It is unlikely that they will ever come back. And so that means that new ones must be grown - but when they are they get poached by Microsoft because Russia is part of the "international community" and "Europe" and does nothing to protect its talent. Indeed, it is too legalistic in this regard.
As for money, China is much further ahead now in almost every in Chip development from packaging, to software, to lithography, to DUV, to fabs. Russia has one fab in Zelengorod (I think) and has almost no research in microelectronics. Indeed, Russia has few scientific publications anymore at the level of Iran. I highly doubt it would be able to be competitive with China - even should it find the budget. Not unless, it returns the Soviet education system and reinstates Soviet era research institutes and has a good program for development of Scientific talent.
I didn't say it was going to be easy.
But there is no choice.
You know where this goes a few decades down the line -- autonomous drone swarms numbering in the millions stream out of China and exterminate every single Russian, and the hundreds of millions from what will by then be the submerged due to climate change Chinese coastal regions move in to take over the now cleared land.
P.S. Go back to the 1920s and look at the situation Stalin faced. The brain drain was on a similar level, if not worse, because of how concentrated education was in the ranks of those who fled after the revolution. And the technological backwardness was much much worse. But he didn't throw his hands in despair with "there is nothing we can do", he and everyone else rolled their sleeves and got to work.
what are you talking about, the 2nd larger party in the russian federation is the communist party, how is that 'no ideology allowed'?
are u fucking kidding me?
Putin has a Rada to answer to. He can't simply go rouge. And in case you didn't know this, most countries (even the US and GB) relies on other countries (even presumed enemies) for something or the other. Europe bought heaps of gas and oil from Russia since 22 etc, Europe bought oodles of titanium from Russia since 22, the list goes on and on. Russia also makes it's own chips. You guys keeping making the same mistake with Russia, over and over like knuckle dragging morons would. You keep under estimating them. Or, you simply spew shit and hope it sticks. Thank christ you guys are morons. It makes your pathetic existence so much easier.
Dude, I am Russian and speak the language fluently. I know the situation both in Russia and Ukraine at least on the civilian level.
Countries rely on each other if they have no other alternatives. Take the UK or Japan - they are small islands that have minimal resources and so must import everything to drive their industry. China is much larger and it too lacks some resources, but imports those. Unlike Britain or Japan, its strength is it can produce everything itself.
Now contrast with Russia - the Soviet times have shown us that Russia can be an autarky quite effectively (it needs to just have allowed private enterprise for consumer goods and it would have done fine) as it is in the unique position of having a smart population, large territory and every resource a hungry industry could want.
And what does it do? It destroys one of the powerful industrial machines in the world under the shouts of jubilition of Igor Gaidar stating "why do we need to waste effort to build things ourselves when we can buy it from abroad?". It dismantled its world leading education and scientific system and adopted the Western "Bauccelerate" to better fit "European" and "international" standards (that are atrocious btw). The last frontier is software development - here we (both Russia and Ukraine) still hold our own, but for how much longer? Weapon development relies on the old weapon designers from the Soviet era, very few youth want to go into it as it doesn't pay well and everyone is out for the highest pay they can get. Capitalism! And everyone wants to have an Apartment in Moscow - who wants to live in Ryazan or Novosibirsk anymore or work for little money for "the glory of the motherland" as our parents and grandparents did?
It "relies" on other countries not because it can't be self-reliant, but due to some sense of inferiority as it feels obligated to be part of the "international community" as Russian elites seek to be "international citizens" and spend their capital on hookers in Miami, villas in Monaco and vacations in the Maldives.
Thanks for these perspectives and insights and for your command of written English. This is the way the virus gets to everyone and eventually picks countries and cultures apart, insidiously and bit by bit.
From a British and European perspective you could argue the same; they took on the US economic model and flooded the place with their dreadful market culture and over time it is dumbed down for the mass populations. This started happening under Thatcher in the 1980s ; what you have now is a different and broken country, de industrialised, moronic, banal and run by global financial elites - maybe your oligarchs see this as a model that suits them.
This happened in Europe: I remember an Italian academic friend's response when I mentioned that luckily they had their own language to counter US culture. He soon shot me down by pointing out how awful Italian tv, Berlusconi et al had made Italy and dumbed it down - and let's not even mention what they've now done to Germany.
And to your points about your older generations, I agree. Having spent much time with wonderful people from the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia I noticed straight away the old solidarity, education, critical thinking etc was still prevalent among those now in their 50s and 60s etc. - like UK and Europeans used to be.
This is what is happening all around the globe (look at Asia too) and whether Russia "wins" this war or not the dumb, market-led, mass culture of convenience pioneered in the development of the US is everywhere. This is the Oligarch/Elite wet dream that is sold to them by US led globalists: A small group of elite ghouls acting the way you describe and running things in ways that many dystopian sci fi novels and films have warned us of.
You are going through these things now and I don't know what can be done about it. These psychopaths are relentless and your own oligarchs/elites are going to sell you out just like ours did until now, we have an utterly vacuous avatar like Starmer going to the US on his knees to get his latest orders. Pathetic.
Friend, I know you are entirely right about Russian elites, and I agree that it would be great for Russia if it could be as much of an autarkic economy as possible... but that goal will take many decades if it is even fully achievable at all, and I am very sure that Putin knows better than you or I what is realistic. In some cases it will, in fact, require serious and significant foreign capital investment because I do think you are missing one potential factor, which is that maybe the Russian economic situation is a bit more tenuous than anyone in the government wants to openly admit. A friend who recently went to Russia on a business trip came back from Vladimir and that's the view he got from his colleagues/comtacts and relayed this to me. This friend is not someone who believes in western propaganda or dislikes Russia. There has surely been extensive borrowing/money-printing during the SMO and it is a big part of why Russia also needs to end the conflict on its terms as soon as possible. The fastest way to solve that is to normalise relations and make deals.l in the way he is discussing. Being so rigid as to believe that Russia can't also benefit from economic deals ASAP afterwards is very stupid. You are assuming that just because Russian elites want it to go back to how it was that this means this is what Putin wants, too... concluding that from one interview is bonkers. I recognise that it can easily sound like that especially to people who have sacrificed for the goals of the SMO but Putin is a statesman, and while he may lack some of Stalin's "strengths" you should be very grateful that he also lacks Stalin's "weaknesses".
What Putin is clearly trying to convey is that a new leaf has (potentially) been turned in America (whether it really has or not doesn't matter, let the negotiations discover the reality), let's use this opportunity to cool everything down and back down from the escalatory precipice we were heading towards with the Biden administration. How is that bad, exactly? Do you actually want WW3 with America, just for the chance at enacting revenge? How is any of that part of the stated goals of the SMO? It isn't! The American soldiers you would be fighting against, assuming that it doesn't go nuclear (impossible when the USA doesn't have any escalatory alternative) aren't the people who hate you and want to destroy you. None of the people you want to punish—rightfully—the Nudelmans etc will ever be captured in any battlefield. So, why would you be willing to risk tens of millions of Russia lives for? You are not thinking in the big picture, nothing Putin is doing so far is contradicting the achievement of the stated goals of the SMO. Personally I thought Putin was obviously lying through his teeth during the parts of that interview: you fail to see that this is a game being played, it's not about angrily slamming your fist at the UN General Assembly podium. Putin leaves the hard rhetoric to Medvedev, who surely would have been told to cut it out long ago if Putin had a problem with it. The ideal path is to normalise relations with America and wait for some opportunity for some accident to befall these demons.
Always fascinating watching world leaders go rouge. Macron and Obama spring to mind.
….going ROGUE… Rouge is what women sometimes put on their faces.
It can of course use Chinese tech which is becoming superior to the Western tech. China in many areas is starting to pull away from the West in tech developments. Russia should be looking to follow the Chinese examples of how to develop your technologies domestically. In China even the billionaire oligarchy appears to be in full support of the country becoming self sufficient in all areas. China's technological development in the last decade has been nothing short of miraculous.
more BS
what r u smokin' dude?
It should be a major concern for the Russian people. The billionaire oligarchs who surround Putin live in an immensely privileged universe totally divorced from the reality facing the population. They cannot be trusted.
what percent are jews?
This is a very good question. Many Jews, irrespective of where they live, are more loyal to Israel than to their country of residence. Consider for example, Bill Ackman and Roman Abramovich. It is in Israel's interest, and therefore the interest of "Israel-first" Jews anywhere in the world for Ukraine to win this war and remain a sovereign state. The motives of any Jewish oligarch in Russia who attempts to influence politics should be questioned.
People read the "headline", but so far what's happened, talks, that's all. A suggestion isn't an offer, it's presenting some positive points, but it's been made clear that dealing with the Dec 21 documents presented are the substance, that's not changed. I read this as Russia pressing on changing the "facts on the ground", there's no slackening. Trump's got much more to deal with, like dismantling a hostile deep state and an illegitimate debt money system. I think I'd rather have Putin's problems. In the meantime keep the US engaged, and the Brits and Eurocrats can just go shit their pants.
The great powers speak often not directly but in gestures of intent. To get to the table of solid negotiations, a few more gestures of intent must be made before.
I thought agreeing to the distribution of mineral wealth would be the easy part in any US-Russian deal. Russian government sells mining rights to US companies.
The hard part will be the role of the USD. Trump is trying to insert the US into the Russia - China relationship, trying to get Russia to dump their SWIFT alternative and stop using local currencies for international trade. Putin spoke to Xi after the US meeting, and I suspect some of Trump's demands were incompatible with the China/Russia relationship. Big decision for VVP - the US who changes policies every 4 years, or China who supported them, despite sanctions and NATO pressure.
Why on earth would Russia sell mining rights to US companies when it has the companies that can do it themselves?? Russia can and will sell the processed material to the highest bidder.
Trump is transient - USPolicy remains the same. It will revert to 'normal' as soon as Trump leaves office. Russia knows that more than anyone. It will milk the US for everything possible before that.
As for the US dollar, Russia will take roubles or renminbi. Not dollars. Russia is not going back to Swift. Not when it's spent the last 10yrs Swift-proofing its economy.
No selling - a suggestion of cooperation.
Agree.
"Simplicius decided to run with the western propaganda that any dexterity in negotiations from the Russians represents weakness."
Not the 1st time. It's just easier to scrape the MSM and tie it together with the right words.
Quotes from:
-Politico (a USAID beneficiary)
-ABC (MSM now at war with Trump)
-Institute for the Study of War (a nuland project)
If you want the other side of the story:
"After his meeting on rare earths and the need to crank up that industry, which the Kremlin only provided Putin’s introductory remarks, Rossiya 1’s always seemingly present Pavel Zarubin asked Putin a series of questions from rare eaths to Ukraine to Trump and more:" -Karlof1’s Substack
Considering we have recently passed the 10th anniversary of the Minsk accords where Putin was hoodwinked by the West then I think you are being the naive one. Putin failed to act after the Maidan coup in 2014 leaving the people of the Donbass alone to face the murderous AFU.
Russia failed to act? Do you have eye, ears, and brains to process the incoming nformation from the frontlines in Ukraine? Have you seen a hysterical Macron and other alarmed European compradors? Do you know why they are alarmed?
You know he deliberately threw you that old, dry bone, and you are chewing on it like the hyena as expected?
If such messaging could save 10-20 THOUSAND Russian lives by sweet-talking the US into agreeing to Russian terms, would you not swallow your pride and do the same?
The Kremlin has always focussed on the aims and results, not on PR. PR is soon forgotten, the 'facts on the ground' are what the future is built upon.
>The Kremlin has always focussed on the aims and results
And the results on the ground are what exactly?
>If such messaging could save 10-20 THOUSAND Russian lives
Putin had the power to take over the whole of Ukraine with 10-20,000 Russian deaths in total since Day 1. All he had to do is give the order to hit the targets that would ensure Ukrainian defeat, and that continue to be off-limits even now.
I'm sick and tired of going round and round over the same ground with you. You are simply incapable of learning new perspectives, and simply repeat the same old tired lines, no matter how many times you are logically and rationally contradicted.
What are the "results on the ground"?
Lemme see, Russia has won, defeated the entire West and NATO, increased its standing in the World, gained the territories that voted to join it, and avoided nuclear war. That's a win.
"Putin had the power to take over the whole of Ukraine with 10-20,000 Russian deaths in total since Day 1. All he had to do is give the order to hit the targets that would ensure Ukrainian defeat, and that continue to be off-limits even now."
Armchair corporals rarely can understand the wider situation. Putin does not think about next week, but next decade+. This is why he has been the Russian President for over 20 years, and you are... not.
You are the kind of idiot that would turn the heat up on the pan rapidly, and then watch as the frog hops away - and then find some reason why that was someone else's fault, little doubt.
>Putin does not think about next week, but next decade+. This is why he has been the Russian President for over 20 years
Are you sure you as a Putin fanboy want to play that game?
Yes, indeed, Putin was installed in power in 1999.
What was the situation in Ukraine and Eastern Europe back then and what is it now?
How did that "next decade+" thinking play out in the end?
Actually the situation in the post-Soviet space has deteroriated quite significantly since 1999 - almost all post-Soviet republics have moved out of Russia's sphere and aligned with the West. Even traditional allies like Armenia, Moldova and Kazakhstan. I think unless Belarus gets integrated soon, and Lukashenko Sr gets replaced by his son, a Belarussian alignment with the West is also quite possible - as Lukashenko Srs position depends heavily on personal friendship with Putin. Once that is gone, the situation is questionable.
In short, Russia's foreign policy in the near abroad has been disastorous.
After 2016, it was evident to me how Ukrainian society was oriented vis-a-vis Russia. I don't know how Russian Intelligence could have missed that - they could have asked any guy who spends time on VK or the internet and figured it out.
Well said
GM is what's referred to as a "concern" troll. Always acting concerned about things, such as "Putin's disrespect for life if his own people yada yada" bullshit. To think that MI6 spent billions on hasbarrat troll farms, and this GM shit stain came out the other end 🤣🤣🤣 Its Kommisar should shoot the useless monkey now, imo.
He is a troll, but he is very easily readable. Waste of time engaging him.
LOL well said.
He formerly was shitstain running down the back of his mother's leg.
OK Karen.
Won what? It is likely that Odessa will be given off - there is a reason the US wants 50-50 on port infrastructure - and that means Ukraine retaining control of Odessa. Indeed, Putin has not made mention of it in his speeches, where he said that Russia demands "only the 4 territories". Which means other territories are off the table.
What other results are there? Small movements within the South, the line near Kharkov has stayed the same for nigh on two years, Kursk cannot be liberated for 9 months and we do not know how much longer it will take and if negotiations hit what Putin will trade to get it back. Thats not mentioning the Istanbul Agreement, where Putin offered to give up the entire South and Potentially Crimea in the future.
What kind of victory is this?
Odessa is as important to the West as Crimea is to Russia. Russia would go nuclear if Crimea was seriously threatened - do the logical math yourself.
The loss of Odessa to Russia would mean the whole east-central part of Europe flowing back into Russian arms over time.
Russia TRIED recently to cross towards Odessa, and found a hornets nest like they hadn't met before. They may try again, if this continues long enough. But they'll have to come down through Kiev to get there.
As for lack of movements, of course WW1 came to an end when Allied forces swept across Germany in a 'Big Arrow formation', right?
Kursk is a graveyard for Ukraine's far-right corps, that Zaluzhny so painstakingly kept out of severe combat for the 'Stay behind' the NATO generals knew full well this would come to one day. It's a nowhereland of small villages, and trees. The atrocities against the local population will be paid in blood.
3 months ago 50,000 Nazis had died there, now apparently that number is around 100,000, and still growing, with a cauldron forming to trap ALL of them. It is also an opportunity to live-fire train the new troops and corps, and also to show the new recruits the kind of people they are facing in the NATOfied West. They will not forget the lessons they are learning, and they will form the authority structure of the New Russia once Putin and his generation retires.
Putin will be the last pro-Western leader for generations, and he is making sure of that.
Russia never made a concentrated effort to land in Odessa though. It never even tried. It could have been done in the early days before the Ukrainians had time to mine the port. Also the distance from the tip of the Kinburn Spit to the surrounding areas of Ochakov is not so far as not to be impossible to land. But again they hadn't tried.
I assume they wanted to go through Nikolaev, but when that failed they just gave up and that section of the front hasn't moved in years. So unless there is a campaign against Nikolaev (and if Russian command has some sense there will be), there will be no campaign against Odessa. But at the moment it doesn't look like it will happen.
It is also highly unlikely that the West would go nuclear over Odessa - theres a chance they would throw their own troops at it, start provocations, sabotage, etc but not do direct nuclear war. Also, study WW2 to see how the Soviets took it even in the face of a heavy German Resistance. It is not impossible to take Odessa, there just needs to be a political will but its non-existant it seems.
I hope you're right. Thanks for the insights.
He is not an idiot, just a troll.
Avoid him.
Trollen are a misunderstood and protected Norwegian minority lifeform.
Please don't insult them by association like that. ;)
I didn't know that, so I had no intention of insulting anyone. I have much to learn, and that is the purpose of my visit to this forum.
Please don't feed the trolls...
Trollen are a misunderstood and protected Norwegian minority lifeform.
We can afford to lose a few sheep and christians, it's a small price to pay for this ancient species. ;)
Yea, you should really offer the Kremlin your expert advice and winning recipe for their success. You clearly have oodles of experience in all of these matters. Trot along now. Too many people dying while you play armchair general with yourself.
"...you play armchair general with yourself."
General Moron just plays with himself.
OK Karen.
It's M'AAAAAAAM!
The little girl GM wants a magic pony right away, immediately!!!
Check the military budget of the empire of Lies and Loot ($831 billion) and compare it to the Russian budget ($109 billion).
Do you understand what has happened during the last 10 years worldwide?
My hope as to why is to dream of some 4D rope-a-dope plan by Russia to build up their army and military industry, then draw NATO into Ukraine for a final military defeat. Then, declare along with the BRICS a gold backed currency to kill the US$ and the world starts anew.
When I wake from this delusion...
I am more likely to believe the rich are just using us like the always do with political terms, propaganda and threats to hood-wink the world into another grift where the common man is just a tool to make them richer.
As a kid I always thought the USSR and USA would join forces to explore the solar system. What a friggin letdown the last 50yrs have been in that regard.
I long for a world that reaches out to the stars so that we can find something out there to turn our hatred towards instead of each other.
You are right. In a war, a commander-in-chief should first of all be concerned about his soldiers, who are doing the heavy lifting, and not about giving a good impression to the rest of the world, let alone to the USA, the country that is, after all, the instigator of this war.
Is he offering mineral rights?
Where in this article do you see "mineral rights"?
"Putin has earned some raised eyebrows amongst the Russian commentariat for his sudden offer to ‘work with the US’ in exploiting Russian rare earth and mineral resources in both Russia and the Donbass. "
While I often find myself agreeing with you, this is not one of those times. I think Putin's apparent softness is in this case calculated. This is diplomacy. By extending a vague, conciliatory promise of economic cooperation he makes it very inconvenient for Trump to harden his position, for instance by giving any military aid to Ukraine after all. Thus Trump is railroaded into continuing friendly overtures to Russia, while all that time Ukraine is being attrited without any new injections of money and materiel. While the carrot Putin is dangling is very nebulous indeed, and unlikely to become more solid.
But this is a pattern on this and other discussion boards. People take statements by key players, be it Trump or Putin or Erdogan etc., at face value. These are statesmen, folks. What they say is intended to elicit certain responses, but is not necessarily what they feel in the bottom of their hearts. These are sane and devious adults talking, and you can't get to these levels in the first place by being disarmingly honest with your antagonists.
And notice that lower-level communication, by Patrushev and Lavrov for instance, is immediately pouring cold water on these hopes. Guess what, they are not actually disagreeing with their boss; this is all orchestrated, a classic good-cop, bad-cop routine.
Oh, I don't pay much attention to what Putin says other than to note the corrosive impact it has on Russian morale and society.
It is the (lack of) actions that I am most concerned about
Oh please. Gallup polled him not long ago at 87% approval. 13% felt he's too soft. You're not concerned. You read like a daily mail copy paste. You appeal to stupid people. Dumb people, dumb propaganda. You're not winning hearts and minds. I would rather go with the opinions of real Russians and their choice. Not some pretentious word salad bar. If you're so concerned, lobby the Kremlin. Your troll farm is pathetic. Obviously British.
In WW2, the population of the US was a bit less than what the population of Russia is today. Of course the demographic trends in Russia today are worse than those in the US in 1941.
In WW2, the US lost 450k dead. That was fighting wars 1000's of miles from it's shores and yet Americans accepted that it was an existential struggle on some level.
The 450k dead was certainly painful, but from the level of the society as a whole, it barely left a mark.
Russia is fighting on their own borders. The argument for this being an existential struggle is more than plausible. 100,000 dead are 100,000 lost fathers, sons, husbands. But, is the war about existential consequences for Russia or not? The cynical voice will say, "war is a racket" etc...But a nations beliefs and myths are what make it a nation. By myths I don't mean false - none of the stories we live by are entirely factual and literal but they can still be true. Do Russians have reason to take those stores more seriously today than 3 years ago ? I'd say - without really knowing - that the answer is yes. The storeis the Russian Federation tells about itself and it's history are probably more strongly held today than 3years ago. Perhaps that will turn out to be the most significant outcome in the end.
So, is the war in Ukraine as existential to Russia as the war against Japan and Germany was to the US in WW2? I'd say it's easier to make the argument for Russias situation than for the US position in WW2. Thus if the stakes for the US in WW2 can be argued to be at least similar to the stakes for Russia in Ukraine, 100,000 Russian dead in 3 years of war does not seem monstrously out of balance nor a reason to call it quits.
Very well reasoned and astute observations. Culture, values, myths, and stories matter.
Let's do a thought experiment.
Let's take the city of Zheleznogorsk in Kursk region, i.e. something close to what would have been NATO without an SMO, and something with a population almost exactly 100,000.
Let's then imagine the US launches a JASSM missile with a 100-kit warhead on Zheleznogorsk and it is fully wiped out.
Would nukes fly back in response or not?
And if they don't, what would the consequences be of them not flying back?
P.S. The damage of the SMO is actually much greater than this example, because for those 100,000 there are also 2x that many permanently crippled, plus the physical destruction is much more widespread. Plus a lot of the victims on the Ukrainian side are ethnic Russians too.
Pure conjecture of course. Can be spun in a dozen ways. Fact is your team is down a million plus. 10:1 in Russia's favour. Thought experiment all you want. It's not winning this one for you. You guys do war as bad as you do propaganda.
I'm thinking your thought experiment is apples vs oranges. 3 years of war 100,000 KIA - I don't dismiss the pain of it for Russia or Ukraine, but thats approx 30,000k per year. Add in wounded of course and some pct are permanently maimed, but most return to the fight or to civilian life. So say 50,000/year as permanent losses to the society. Every year the Russians conscript 125,000 - 135,000 from the 18-20 year old cohort. This does not represent every male in that cohort each year, but is suggestive of the sustainable demographic potential in Russia even with the low birth rates that are symptomatic of not just Russia but the entire west - in fact Russian fertility seems to be a visible bit better than in the west.
These losses are painful, but if the aims of the war are truly existential - and I think you can make that argument in a sense similar to what the US faced in WW2, then Russian losses are not outrageous or even debilitating - again US losses at the same population were 4x higher than Russian losses to date. Again, I have no wish to diminish the pain and sorrow that is attached to each and every one of those lost.
No, it's not apples and oranges.
Nukes exist both so that nobody dares nuke you and so that nobody dares ever inflict conventional damage to you on such a scale.
The scale of the damage incurred so far and the active treat still persisting have long exceeded the thresholds for launching at the very least tactical nukes that existed both in the Cold War and according to current official Russian doctrine.
I'm not following you. What does Nuclear war have to do with the current fight in Ukraine and Russia's willingness and ability to continue the fight.
Are you suggesting that the Russians should have resorted to Nuclear weapons if they are serious about the nature of the struggle and the fact that they do not is somehow proof that they are not serious.
I'm sorry, I'm just not following your argument. Feel free to clarify.
That is correct. Nukes should have been used a long time ago, mid-2023 the latest.
Not to destroy cities in Ukraine, as a lot of idiots, even in Russia, suggest. Ukraine is Russian land.
But to isolate it from NATO.
Shut down the border crossings and logistics as a first step.
Then if NATO tries to move in directly, erase the first ring of countries off the map and dare the US to either back down (which will also be the end of NATO) or end the world. They will back down.
Did your mom have any kids that aren't retarded?
Russia shoud have lost less than 1000 if they went in right like with 700,000 instead of 120,000 and got punched in the nose and NATO so involved. We did something similar in Iraq "you go to war with army you have" 200,000 US/UK troops when General Zinni said we needed 700,000 to secure country so it turned into a mess too - lucky for us Iraqis only had AK47s so deaths were minimal. Like 4000. Russia not so lucky so over 100,000 dead for Putin's shitty mistake. Russia will win because they can handle death toll it seems politically unlike us but a very ugly win.
Yes, indeed.
Also, Putin did not even prepare.
Ukraine spent eight years militarizing itself as much as it could.
Meanwhile Russian defense spending went up a bit in 2015-16, but that was because of the Syrian operation, then went down again to levels even slightly below 2014 levels.
Zero preparation for a war with Ukraine basically. Which is why there were no 700,000 ready to go.
I remember the first days of the SMO watching what is happening and expecting any moment the second and third echelons to enter and mop up the remains of the AFU. Because surely nobody would be such an idiot to launch into such an adventure without having prepared properly (how little we knew at the time...). But there were no second and third echelons, they just didn't exist...
Apparently Putin thought he can bluff his way out of this situation by showing pretty graphics of fancy highly advanced missiles and other doomsday weaponry.
The problem is that if you just have those weapons, but you are not willing to use them, then effectively you don't have them and the enemy can proceed as if you don't have them. Which is precisely how Putin's bluff was called.
You have no idea what Putin nor anyone else did. You are just a retarded cubicle dweller. Typing out whatever is on your daily Bullet point list.
To be fair America always has been the enemy of everyone else,they just never noticed it until now. All they do is threaten you until you give them resources. Blow up your cheap gas and then become your new supplier at 5 times the cost. Dont agree to a pipeline, heres 10 years of sanctions until your country dies.
Im royally annoyed by this joint venture talk, whats the point of fighting for that?
It's not so much about a "joint venture" per se it's about interrupting the anti-Russian "we don't talk to them," rabid paranoid "diplomacy" that the West was exhibiting for years
Well put.
it`s not about the resources per-se, it`s about the system that cannot live on without mindless consuming and debt servicing.
we wouldn`t have had the whole oil nightmare in a world without capitalism, debt and 27578 cars/person.
Putin's statement that Russia can cut deals with the US over minerals is no more than taking the wind out of the sails of the argument that if the US has an economic interest in western Ukrainian land it will have to put in troops or at the very least continue to support Ukrainian independence militarily. Z said this himself!
Not so, says Putin. US economic interests will be better protected with Russia in charge than the current horrendously costly instability, making it impossible to exploit those interests, anyway.
It is another way of saying that the only way to end this war is for Ukraine to cease to exist as an independent territory.
Everyone knows this now.... including Ukraine.
>Putin's statement that Russia can cut deals with the US over minerals is no more than taking the wind out of the sails of the argument that if the US has an economic interest in western Ukrainian land
Sigh. Why must we cope just like Ukrainian commentariat. Of course I guess I expected a higher level of discourse from the "counter-culture" but I have been disappointed yet again.
Putin said it himself "our partners"....what "partners" can there be that are hell bent on destroying the country, arresting Putin personally and having killed tens of thousands of fellow countrymen? These are not partners, these are mortal enemies. And calling them "partners" serves only to confuse. Imagine Stalin during WW2, calling the Germans "partners", that would have been impossible and he would have been deposed by Zhukov, or even those around him for such a statement.
Putin always calls the West “partners “. It doesn’t have the meaning you think.
Precisely. He has been using the term the same way for 20 years. It means what it has always meant with him - that he is willing to work with the west if only the west would work with him.
In the speech in question he didn't talk about partners in an abstract way, as "our Western partners". He instead talked about joint business activities with partners (in a commercial sense) from the West, as possible outlook for the future.
It’s a manifestation of the same thing - a willingness to cooperate.
Showing a willingness to cooperate, is a good thing, ALWAYS.
It doesn't mean you will be a b&tch, it just means you are smart
You can trace a direct causal link between "cooperation" with the West, starting with Khrushchev, and the eventual collapse of the USSR.
Calling outright enemies "partners" is unacceptable.
In addition, language influences thought - so if you start calling enemies "partners" you begin to think of them like that and not take necessary measures.
Do you see the Ukrainians calling Russia "partners"? No. They are out to destroy Russia - which is how it should be with Russia when it comes to the West.
Calling outright enemies "partners" is unacceptable.
In addition, language influences thought - so if you start calling enemies "partners" you begin to think of them like that and not take necessary measures.
Do you see the Ukrainians calling Russia "partners"? No. They are out to destroy Russia - which is how it should be with Russia when it comes to the West.
I suppose it to be a good thing to ease tensions with the West. I don’t see Putin “giving away the farm “. Russia is now the 4th largest economy in the world (PPP). He must be doing something right.
Scipio is Russian. Tell him some more about the nuances of Putin's language.
So it claims. Mr random internet dude in his miserable little cubicle is as Russian as my fish are Saharan.
And who died and made you an expert in who is and is not Russian?
Spidey sense.
Back at ya. You have no idea who or what Scipio is. Her history shows us she is another ignorant cubicle dweller.
Блять, ну ты реально задолбалa со своим религиозным отношением к Путину. Ты хоть раз у нас была чтобы столько хуйни нести?
Google translate. Big fucking wank 😂😂😂
Well you surely have failed to make your point haven’t you. You don’t like Putin, so?
Have you?? I bet you couldn't find it on a map.
Putin has been using “Partners” since “forever “. IMHO he has made some very difficult choices which, so far, have turned out well.
Scipio is certainly allowed to criticize Putin’s choices. I welcome that input. I believe Scipio’s point is that the West should not be trusted. I agree.
Putin’s use of the word “partners”, as it is translated to English, is pretty much meaningless. He could have said “those guys “ and conveyed the same message.
Communication is two-way. I don’t think there is any special meaning in the use of “partner “ in Putin’s statements. It’s just being polite.
Putin was speaking Russian, not English.
Putin also has been falling for the West's okey doke since forever. Note that Western leaders never call Putin a "partner" but are quite open in their wish to subjugate and destroy Russia.
So what? If you want to provide an alternate translation I won’t object. I don’t see Putin “falling “ for anything. As far as I’m concerned this debate over the word “partners “ is silly, proving nothing of substance.
I acknowledge that you and Scipio believe Putin is making a mistake. I don’t agree. So what?
>These are not partners, these are mortal enemies
Yes, indeed, and it's not as if this is something new, i.e. a mistake that can be forgiven a chance to repent given.
These are people who have been busy trying to destroy Russia for, depending on the specific country, between more than a century and five centuries.
Why does Germany still exist? OK, the US has nukes, can't nuke them down to zero, but Germany should have been fully wiped out the moment German tanks again entered Kursk. After WWI, then 27M dead in WWII, from which Russia never really recovered, resulting in the Soviet collapse as a delayed consequence, what sort of Russian leader working in the interests of the the country would ever want anything to do with them again? This after Russia subsidized them with cheap enerrgy, at the direct expense of its own people, for half a century, and they still send the tanks again. End it once and for all, with fire.
you really should brush up on history. Stalin and Hitler did in fact have a pact
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/06/devils-alliance-hitlers-pact-stalin-1938-1941-roger-moorhouse-review
plus... it is now somewhat likely that Trump is or was an KGB asset...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/2/22/2305510/-It-s-a-Spy-novel-starring-Donald-Krasnov
while it reeks of conspiracy theory...everything is somewhat plausible..and furthermore confirmed by the Trumps 180 turn in politics
Stalin and Hitler had a pact before the war. During the war there was no pact and no negotiations and no calling Hitler a "partner"
ok ... you can nitpick.... but have you read the article?
As not to be called lazy i have localized the text for the current times in brackets. I think that it is evident what partnership meant then and what it means now
"Seventy-five years ago, on 23 August 1939, (read few days ago) Hitler's Germany (Trumps USA) and Stalin's Russia (Putins Russia) stunned the world by announcing that they had concluded a non-aggression pact, committing themselves not to aid each other's enemies (or vote against them in UN) or to engage in hostile acts against one another. Stalin (Trump) knew the pact would not be popular. "For many years now," he said, "we have been pouring buckets of shit on each other's heads, and our propaganda boys could not do enough in that direction. And now, all of a sudden, are we to make our peoples believe that all is forgotten and forgiven? Things don't work that fast." Many western European communists (US Republicans), disgusted at this turn of events, left the party at this point (hahahaa ...you would think that... but really?) in what was probably the largest exodus of members before the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956 (cricket sounds....). The front garden of Nazi party headquarters in Munich (DC) was quickly filled with party badges and insignia thrown there by party members appalled at the thought of an alliance with the communist enemy they had spent their lives fighting against."
"The shock would have been all the greater had people been aware of the secret clauses of the pact (not so secret phone calls... despite there actually being a red phone line), with subsequent addenda, in which the two states agreed to partition Poland (Ukraine) between them – Germany (Trump) taking the (mineral resources of the) larger part – while Hitler (Trump) conceded that the independent Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, Finland and parts of Romania (read Putins wargoals) would fall into the Soviet sphere of influence."
"The pact eventually extended to the economic sphere, ..." (read selling gold cards to "some very nice" russian oligarchs https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-end-eb-5-immigrant-investor-visa-program-2025-02-25/.
"Shockingly, Stalin also handed back a substantial number of German communists who had taken refuge in the Soviet Union after the Nazi seizure of power; some of them, arrested during the purges, were taken directly from the Soviet Gulag to a German concentration camp."
(well here we have a trade of one US teacher vs one Russian cybercriminal and drug money launderer... so not as big of a sin as "communist" but still even there we can draw a parallel
https://newrepublic.com/post/191447/donald-trump-russia-prisoner-swap-mark-fogel)
like that "history repeating" song where the actors were simply updated for the new kids audience
https://youtu.be/yzLT6_TQmq8?si=iDtodfNTq48jYbk3
An article that calls the Moltov Ribbentrop pact an "alliance" cannot be taken seriously. Yes, it was questionable. And yes, some "gestures of good will" were made, but this was before the war started. During the war and the crises period there was no calling of the Nazis "partners". There was before hand because there was still hope that things could be resolved peacefully.
Russia is currently at war with the Americans. There is no hope to resolve it peacefully. This means that calling them "partners" is a betrayal. That is my point.
And yes, some "gestures of good will" were made ... you mean some splitting of other nations as war plunder? Like pass me the gravy jar level of gestures?
Of course there was no partnership after the WW2 started because Hitler was a backstabber. Any current resemblance to current situation where longterm allies now have justified cause for concern is also trivial?
"there was still hope that things could be resolved peacefully. " you are likely intentionally missing the point that the alliance was simply to allow them to carve up extra conquests... but as it invariably happens greedy bastards never stop being greedy leading to "friction" and inevitable dick measuring
The funny thing is that America never declared any war... thus they are not formally in war. It is literally the "we have been pouring buckets of shit on each other's heads, and our propaganda boys could not do enough in that direction" phase from WW2 while aiming to carve up other peoples lives
Well there is a way to resolve it peacefully. It is also quite obvious. Trump sells out principles for cash. Putin is appeased. War stops. Lives do get saved.
But as history has shown, either of them will eventually break the word and decide that it was "not enough" and that they need "more"... and then we get the "history repeating" jingle again.
He hasn't been saying "partners" since 2022. And just for you, because you do try, NATO lost and it will scatter in the winds.
churchill and roosvelt groomed nazi germany for years to use them against ussr and stalin stood at the same table with both of those pos and called them allies.
I'll add my 2c worth here, since the first thread has turned to complete fertiliser (as does any thread featuring the General Moron.)
Bearing in mind that any mineral extraction effort involving Western companies will have a timeline to first export of anything worthwhile measured in years (decades are not uncommon).
The key thing to remember is that possession is nine-tenths of the law, i.e. no matter which Western company gets involved in the extraction of whatever element, be it Titanium, Aluminium or whatever, the mine, the plant associated with it, the mining equipment, etc is IN RUSSIA.
So if, in the fullness of time, a Biden/Obama V3 appears on the scene and tries again, well, that's a mighty fine bit of mining production you've paid for, it's Mother Russia's now.
The offer of minerals partnership by VVP is a VERY clever way of getting the West to pay for rebuilding of parts of the Donbass and Luhansk that otherwise would HAVE to come out of Moscow's pocket. As ever, VVP plays the long game very intelligently.
Agreed. There are multiple perspectives playing in Putin's favour, most though assuming one hard fact on the ground. Russia takes back Ukraine- all of it. It continues the grind as the babble drowns out what is actually happening militarily.
Russia only needs to take the parts of Ukraine that were traditionally Russian. The rest will get "peace-keeping" forces.
The Banderan government-in-exile will be safely tucked away in Lviv, Poland.
that`s a good think cause i dodn`t think they would be welcome in Cernăuți, România :)))
Hahaha... excellent insight.
Everyone is talking about minerals and energy. No one is talking about food. Cars and goods are luxuries if you don't have enough to eat. If we reach 2 degrees of warming by 2030-35, and there's no reason to think that we won't, food insecurity in Africa, India, West Asia and South America will become severe. Productivity of wheat in the exporting bread baskets of Russia, Ukraine, the US, Australia and France will decline by about 20%. 2.5 billion people (1.5 billion already in food insecurity) depend on this trade import of wheat surplus to survive.
It's entirely feasible that 1 in 4 will starve to death in the next 10 years. https://richardcrim.substack.com/p/the-crisis-report-103
You have a bit of reading to do about "global warming". I agree with you that not having enough food is bad, but the reason you don't hear about is, is that it is intentional. Read "Plunderers of the Earth" by Julius Ruechel.
https://www.amazon.com/Plunderers-Earth-Erosion-Civilization-Crusade/dp/B0DDCHYTNK?crid=MISYZHFT8TTD&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Q00_axkPdwDvcTxehNDwuhDFn5Wc9S7Y-UHV2BYS-onG6F_RsGRQderyV115L0JvceV9qiBG_z3JSUbnyxtXv2iGwP_X7IaYK5gM7hP3A9AJ5S8stXb-vHZQrPmGx53izCZ4j5N4UIb7HzTf893ZZL2LRGK73ztj_v3ZnXMtdySPeU8gtoe-ZRGJmBZv61rm_7yrHQ5KoA9fqyRr3xvNZGRoGQOhp5agmdVAtSsmHWY.4ONB5I1cnnKh7yPrssNPfJIShyEbNgkSRcUIUz4UHYM&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+plunderers+book&qid=1740562105&sprefix=plunderers+%2Caps%2C202&sr=8-1
It's you who needs to do more reading if you're still putting the climate crisis, of which global warming is a part, in scare quotes like the industry funded Heartland Institute does https://jowaller.substack.com/p/climate-change-hasnt-been-debunked
But I agree food insecurity and climate colonialism by the West is deliberate. My point stands- why are Simp and alt media not talking about it if they know it's intentional? https://jowaller.substack.com/p/burning-fossil-fuels-is-the-plan
my brother in christ, in the roman age the temp was by average with 2. degrees(C) warmer than in the following (half of)millennia; we are more or less back to that; also have a look at how the depopulation of north-american continent and the changes in woods burning pattern etc influenced global weather/temperature.
In parts of Europe there was some warmer weather, though not as hot as today, and this was not the trend globally.
It was not warmer than last century in the Holocene, Minoan, Roman nor Medieval periods, they are not headscratchers.
https://jowaller.substack.com/p/climate-change-hasnt-been-debunked?utm_source=publication-search
are you...offering your opinions as proof/source? :))
also i don`t know how to politely formulate this, but if you think you can know temperatures from 7k years ago within single digit degree accuracy you are dumb.
This climatetard is posting it's deluded crap everywhere it can.
"1 in 4 will starve to death in the next 10 years" Absolute bullshit straight from the WEF. What a fucking moron.
It's not germane to this thread but nor is it bullshit. War's v. bad for emissions reduction. The climate data's horrific and physics is indifferent to you and the WEF.
It is bullshit. Do your research away from the cult of global warming renamed climate change.
Access to food is not germane to access to Ukraine's fertile land or co-operation with wheat producing Russia in a time of food insecurity? What planet are you on?
Debating the reality of global warming wasn't the point of this article. Food security is a vital strategic concern. China doesn't bother storing more food than any other nation for fun. It thoroughly understands the politics of food security and the threat of global warming so it's also got massive energy tech and infrastructure now.
Hiya lowly snail, no, debating the reality of global warming wasn’t the point of the article nor of my comment. Highlighting the greater importance of food security over minerals and gas as the planet warms was.
Storing food only goes so far when you can’t produce more and renewable energy doesn’t help if you’re starving, but yes China understands. Is China going to share this food with Africans or whoever when billions start dying? Will food not be a huge global political tool as the climate crisis worsens?
No one in the West, in MSM or alt. media even acknowledges the issue exists let alone debates it.
Physics say Carbon Dioxide has no measurable climate effect.
The data says the world climate is getting better (more habitable for life).
Do try to keep up with reality.
If you still believe that Klaus Schwab SquarePants and his vanity club WEF virtue signalling 'globalists' are actually in control and are faking the environmental crisis, you're the fucking moron. No offence.
I think I've told you this before; when you get back in the kitchen where you belong make sure to not use fossil fuels.
YOU are the one shilling all their talking points, like the brainless minion you are.
Productivity of wheat in Russia will decline by 20% due to global warming? Are you thinking-disadvantaged? The main obstacle to greater agricultural productivity in Russia is the cold climate. With the Siberia warming, wheat production will skyrocket.
No, wheat production in the wheat producers globally overall will decline by 15-20%. Russia may well benefit relatively but global warming is only one aspect of the climate crisis which includes increased floods and droughts and loss of biodiversity and pollinators.
As the world becomes warmer, growing seasons extend. As Carbon Dioxide increases, plants thrive (and also use less water to achieve the same growth).
Both these things INCREASE food productivity.
Science.
You should try reading some.
Instead of shilling luddite ignorance.
As other countries become too hot, Russia becomes even more important for food to feed starving Africans etc. That's my point.
You did a pretty poor job at making that point
My point is that no one is debating this issue. It couldn’t be clearer.
Hi RalfB you do not have to insult me to get your point across. To paraphrase Lavrov debate is 2 well-mannered people, who don’t put aside their differences, of which there can be many, but who politely start a dialogue. If your point is valid, just make it.
The time frame we are talking about is 5 to 10 years. Not long enough for the Arctic ice and permafrost to melt, for 1000s of acres of land to be prepared, planted and cultivated to feed millions. People can’t eat potential. Especially as these people are not in Russia. Even with warming causing loss of productivity from existing land, Russia will have no problem feeding herself. And she has plenty of lucrative raw materials and goods to trade without going to the trouble of making a wheat surplus to sell to the world’s poorest people in developing countries. Though if she did, whom she chooses to sell to would have huge strategic importance.
All in all, millions (more) starving in the 5-10 years and no one’s talking about it.
Whatever your views, which can be politely debated, why is no one talking about it?
"If reach 2 degrees warming by 2030-2035"
LMFAO! Utter bullshit I've been hearing since the 80s. Then it toned down a notch until that schmuck running for the top US office revived the con big time in 1999 again. Our family beachfront property was supposed to be 4 feet underwater by 2012. Spoiler..it's not. It's the same as it was since 1697 when my forefathers built this place up, harbour and all, with brass tide markers set in stone that's still 100% accurate today as it was then. Any "climate change" will be what your overlords tells you it is, all "calculated and fact checked" by them, and you go to prison when you show them 330 years of embedded tide markers. Earth experiences warming or ice ages every so many decades and longer. It's not a man made construct and it's not sudden. Start from here and set yourself free.
‘supposed to be under 4 feet of water’ according to whom?
Fuck me. Are really this stupid or does your dole depend on it?!
Someone in the sensationalised news said that something would happen, which didn't happen and therefore anything anyone else says isn't true either.
Stop ranting and swearing we're trying to have a debate.
Please vanish.
Once again, retarded. Straight up total ignorance of *actual* science.
1. The "temperature" of the Earth right now is the same as it was in the 1930's
2. Plants eat Carbon Dioxide. It's plant food, nothing more. See the results of NASA's OCO missions.
3. The only food "productivity" losses are entirely due to Billionaires and Mega-Corporations buying up crop land and making it fallow i.e. not cropping it, which naturally drives up food prices (aka Profit)
Take your single white left wing childless womans ignorance to some other place, leave the adult conversations to those actually capable of having them.
Pointless to educate the climate doom cult. Their dole depends on it. Easily frightened, easy to manipulate. And I bet it's double jabbed and triple boosted too.
Absolutely they are beyond any form of critical thinking/introspection.
My comments are more intended for the other readers, who have doubts about the whole climate scam, but have been too scared to ask questions.
Great point. Thanks.
Exactly!
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/02/trump-will-end-his-option-of-walking-away-from-project-ukraine-with-his-minerals-deal.html
not so sure the current US team is capable seeing a point as subtly stated as that ... if that was the point yo begin with in the first place ! Infact, even Macron during his joint presser with Trump made the argument that USA would have to secure Ukraine to secure their business interests. Brian Berletic in his recent conversation with Prof Glen Diesen draws similarities to Syria where US boots are indeed on ground protecting the oil interests/looting operations. Hopefully, the Russian side makes it abundantly explicit in their current apparent bon homie with the Trump admin.
Hi simplicius,rist thank you for the article.
Can you share te link of the video with the funder of Blackwater PMC please?thank you
Yes I want to watch the entire interview
Yes, please, I was looking for it, too. The man is loud and clear and certainly has much authority.
I think I found it, hope Simplicius approves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPMgzm_9K50
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPMgzm_9K50&t=1955s
Ah nice,i almost sure this is the video,thank you
Google it. Then choose video search results. Easy peasie lemon squeezie.
If Russia doesn't not win the war strongly, the perception will be Russia is weak, and Ukraine fought them to a draw. This would be a false perception, but false perceptions can change reality if enough people believe it.
The reason why Europe dogpiled on Russia was the perception Russia was weak.
If Russia wins the war strongly it will
Put the kibosh on false narratives about Russia.
Or they thought they were going to get a slice of the Russian pie ie minerals, oil and gas ect.
"Ukraine"???
I think you mean "Combined NATO". Russia fighting the combined NATO to a draw will not look "Weak", and the hysterics among the European vassal misleadership will make it plain to anyone with a single wise braincell just how big a deal this is.
In 5 years or so, the mainstream Western corporate media consensus will have figured out a way to spin this and revise the Official Narrative any way they want, and even if Russia rolled over every ex-Soviet nation they would STILL be "Weak and the losers".
And any Westerner who still listens to these pravda lunatics will still seem batshit insane and disconnected to Reality, and anyone who questions this unreality will be accused of 'conspiracy-mongering'.
The narratives are already written, the Kremlin need take no note of them.
Few over 40 have heard or know anything about gamergate.
Iraq war lies.
Corbyn lies.
Israeli lies.
Russiagate lies.
Covid lies.
And the singular fact that every simpleton who still purchases their daily propaganda is a factual cretin who spouts daily nonsense and manufactured outrage.
The Murdochisation of every media outlet has made them all unwatchable to people who do not appreciate tabloid psychopathy.
That we have just discovered they all sup from the CIA goblet is the final straw. Some "Independent free media" when their funders are the US regime directly.
According to Simplic's own survey results he posted, there is a LARGE majority of his posters being well over 40. And very few under that age.
So perhaps it's not as simple as you think.
BTW, the problems of "Gamergate" came from Millennial and Gen Z fanaticism, I was on the cutting edge of Gen X 'progressivism', and we simply didn't have this kind of problem until you 'young un's' turned up and lost all balance. Shit needed to change from the Boomers BS, but you idiots turned it into a fucking religious quest.
It is amazing you waffle on about gamer gate, without once mentioning the hate movement gamer gaters were pushing back against.
Gamer Gate was a reaction to feminism, nothing to do with Gen Z or millennial fanaticism, if you are not willing to be honest about a subject, better off not speaking about it.
the west is just a colony of the jew....
Gametrgate got crushed. Most people do not care about it
Yes you are the clueless zombie clown.
The fact you are stuck in a cope narrative for your own comfort proves you are just projecting hard.
Gamergate got crushed hard, It was either full of right wing idiots, ranting on about the left, or it was full of ass lickers who wanted to out feminist the feminists. (Full of concern trolls who wanted to virtue signal and prove they didn't hate women.)
You have to be deeply deranged and delusional to deny that gamergate lost. The feminist take over of culture went ahead, and it is now worse than ever. Are you living under a rock?
I know you will post a spaz out if you reply to this, as you can't deal with reality.
The right wing clowns from clown world are still coping.
Spot on, Gnuneo. Do what's best not what looks best. It's not a popularity contest.
And when those (like Russia) powerful enough to stand up to these cunts realise that psychology ops through mainstream media are their strongest weapon they will treat mainstream media et al as a legitimate target. Discuss.
Sadly, Russia and China and the true Islamic World still follow the old norms, and do not target journalists no matter how malicious and dishonest they are.
Whereas the West has been targetting every authentic and honest journalist they can get in their sights for years, beginning with all the "Accidental friendly fire" on independents in Iraq, if not before.
Yes, I see what you mean and I didn't really explain what I meant very well.
I'm not talking so much about individual journalists but the entire structure of bullshit that is the Western media: it is one of their largest and strongest divisions. It wins hands down against Russia et al.
I may be writing pie-in-the-sky stuff here but think of what I'm writing in terms of Orwell, say. Western media, social media et al has real power both within and without the West in it's ability to deceive and manipulate because it's driver isn't journalism but media and public relations; which in turn go back to people like Edward Bernays (Freud's nephew) and the beginnings of using psychology/psychoanalysis to manipulate and control the masses. This is what Western media now is and the large majority of those who work within are not journalists; they are smart-arse schills for billionaire owners/conglomerates, international finance and all those that have now co-opted Western states to their control: a de facto division of the military, as it were. If the pen is mightier than the sword then here is an example of where we are going if they are not stopped.
These people are so cunningly insidious that while media and state have merged, they shaped this outcome under freedom of speech, liberty, democracy etc but are in fact doing the opposite, a la Orwell and now "war is peace, freedom is slavery etc. The small cabal of ghouls that run the West long ago threw away posturing as authoritarian strong men; rather, they are like pedophiles that manipulate, groom and offer sweeties and convenience before they tear you a new arsehole.
If that structure is not taken on, we are heading for the Dystopias written of in science fiction et al. And I write this not only about Russia but also in terms of Trump. If his administration don't address media ownership and it's alliance with the deep state then they may get him one way or another; they've been unsuccessful so far but they are relentless.
These are thoughts and of course I've considered that what they propose is just fascism. But one way or another the twisting, deceit and manipulations of language by the worst of humankind is now a State cartel. In the interests of Adam Smith capitalism it has to broken up as it is now a tyranny. That is what the market has now become because it's been taken over by parasites.
On a positive note, here I am writing courtesy of Simplicius and Substack to you. People are fighting back and Simplicius has got an army of intelligent thinkers and possible actors together below the line from different parts of the world. I am so pleased to be exchanging ideas and analysis with people from Russia that write in such great English.
People are abandoning mainstream media in droves. However, mainstream media with the backing of the state are on the hunt and they are the ones censoring; they're after those like us on independent platforms
So if censorship is happening anyway and likely to get worse which division of the globalist Western military really needs cutting down?
I wish I could give you more than one like, Anthony.
Btw, sounds like you would greatly enjoy the works of the UK analysis outfit MediaLens.
Their books are a fantastic historical trove of western corporate media misinformation, disinformation and psyops, but their articles are completely free.
https://www.medialens.org/alert-archive/
Average person is in denial. You are projecting your mindset onto them.
If Russia ended the war now, the average western person would think Ukraine fought them to a standstill.
If Russia ended the war after occupying Ukraine, the average western person would consider it a western victory.
Russia needs to send a message.
Russia no longer cares what the "Average western person thinks" anymore.
100,000 needlessly dead Russians, insane sanctions, even more insane and Russophobic 'leadership', can do that.
Russia is going to do what they perceive as THEIR best interest, not what western armchair bloggers think they should.
And rightly so.
Russia has already won the war strongly.
This is why the likes of Martin Wolf are so distraught.
Mr. Martin Wolf was born into a jewish family and has been using the shoah-biz profiteering memes for all his life. Wolf is regarded as "staggeringly well connected" within financial circles. He stands firmly for the City of Looters and fascist mega-corporations like BlackRock. We can also be sure that Mr. Wolf is a deep admirer of Kol Nidre.
As a deeply dishonest “thinker” (of Bernard Levy grade) Martin Wolf continues insisting that Israel is a "democracy." Mazel Tov, Wolf, on your support for the self-proclaimed Nazis (banderites) In Ukraine and the ongoing Genocide in Palestine! The followers of jewish fascist Jabotinsky are strong in the UK and Israel.
Russia has been winning strongly since it's first victim - Mongol Empire. We talk centuries here. Constant wars, multiple capitals hosting Russian troops for a while. Never worked for any prolonged period of time. 12 wars with Ottoman Empire alone... Never worked, never will.
Although scratch that. Russia never salted the earth of a fallen enemy. Will that solve the issue? Perhaps.
French kisses and squeezing each other’s balls and rare earths, no rabbits in the sleeves.
Talk about getting ahead of yourself! I don't get the joint venture stuff either. Stay focussed. What has to happen is that Ukraine must be disarmed, denazified and neutral. As for the Chinese, I don't think they should take arms talks completely off the table. Position should be, We develop capabilities in accordance with the threats we face. Pull back from our coast, quit messing with Taiwan, stop stirring up trouble in Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Myanmar and the South China Sea and maybe we can talk about reductions. Of course it won't happen.
Did you see the Chinese war ships doing live fire tests in the sea between NZ and Australia?
Tit for tat. What's good for the goose is good for the Peking duck.
And laughably the useless AOF didn't have a clue until a commercial jet pilot alerted them.