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abcdefg's avatar
3dEdited

"Reuters reports ‘insider info’ that Trump is preparing for a large-scale Iranian strike"

Well if it front page news in the press it must be right... Right?

Frank Sailor's avatar

You are missing the picture here.

They often publish their strategies, plans and intentions. That's why we have the Rand-papers and other publications. The trick is to mix it with nonsense and misinformation so the 'common men' are unable to select truth from lies anymore. And they said it bluntly years ago: we shape reality, the reality that you know and you can react to it in any way you like since we've moved on already and shaped the next reality, you won't be able to keep up.

I need to find the source again but don't have the time for it now.

Victor's avatar
3dEdited

That was Karl Rove of the "W" administration. It is a follow-on to the longstanding comment made in the 80s "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" by William J. Casey, then Director of Central Intelligence (CIA).

Frank Sailor's avatar

Thank you Victor, send me the bill ;-)

Victor's avatar

It's on the house!

Tom Welsh's avatar

You wouldn't think it could get much worse than "everything the American public believes is false". But it can, and it has.

Most of the American public simply doesn't care what is true and what is false.

Just as long as they are winning. (Or think they are).

tomo stojanovic's avatar

from what I saw while living there, USSA has been structured as a cult - and the only thing that matters in cults is signaling obedience to a perceived master. Fearing truth is a bonus too. you end up seeking lies and orders

Some warning signs (from a book by a famous sports psychologist J.Loehr) that may suggest you have a heightened vulnerability to joining a cult:

• Increasing preoccupation with securing fame, power, or financial wealth;

• Lack of clarity about your values, purpose and spirituality in life;

• Tendency to look outside yourself for answers to life’s profound questions;

• Very limited capacity for self-awareness and self-reflection

• Poorly defined sense of self

• Considerable inner turmoil, unhappiness and discontent.

This basically describes almost all Americans - the whole system of upbringing and 'education' is designed around installing this kind of sheeple mind into bovine masses

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Haven't you described the "Epstein Class"? Permanent adolescence.

Is it "fair" to blame the indoctrinated when they had no alternative?

Maybe an offer of helping them to "step into the light" would better serve. How? I dunno.

I do know that your description of the cult also applies to most Europeans. How else to explain their consent into being coerced into WWI and WWII?

tomo stojanovic's avatar

I find it helps if you model what it looks like to be brave (i.e. be yourself in face of Convid murder program and never find yourself among the ranks of the insane as Marcus Aurelius said). Most cowards play a game, they pretend they don't know what it means to be brave (they hope to profit from kissing ass to Epstein 'elite' psychopaths, or they even hope you die from a disease because you refuse to be injected by Sheizer, Murderna, Astra Satanica etc... as Swarzenegger or Naom Chomski etc openly stated).

The ones who are somehow in between brave people and fools like Chomski and Arnold can be rehabilitated I think if they see a genuinely brave non-sheeple man acting intelligently.

Feral Finster's avatar

The Epstein Class are permanent adolescents because they can be.

Tom Welsh's avatar

Sounds like mass extraversion - which indeed seems to prevail in the USA. I have heard quite a lot of Americans refer to introversion as practically a mental illness. It's interesting that an entire culture - and such a very young one, too - should exhibit such a pronounced bias.

There are some tempting explanations. One, that Americans are descended from Europeans who were brave, determined, hard-working, and perhaps not too ethical. Another, that the American mentality is essentially colonialist - and in that respect they do resemble Israelis and, possibly, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and white South Africans.

Looking further, the sort of cult-like structure you describe is reminiscent of ape societies. In a chimpanzee or gorilla troop there is strict hierarchy; everyone knows who is his immediate superior and inferior, who is the boss, and who can - and therefore must - be bullied.

Civilisation is skin-deep, if that.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

apes don't admire pedos and psychopaths who bring ruin to their species.

They are more intelligent that that and have a better survival instinct

Penelope Pnortney's avatar

I think people are vulnerable to cults in general because of the inherent need to "belong" to some group. As Freud said, "individuals within groups lose objectivity which allows them to be readily manipulated..."

Matthias Desmet said that 'the atomization of the human being', a state of isolation and loneliness, is the root cause of mass formation, and that there's a strong correlation between the number of people feeling lonely and the level of mechanization, industrialization and use of technology.

A Harvard survey showed it wasn't loneliness per se but social isolation, with 65% of respondents saying they felt fundamentally separate or disconnected from others and 57% saying they were unable to share their true selves with others.

This is something that many of us can relate to as we've seen the general public gobble up the approved establishment narrative on so many issues for so long. It's why I avoid discussing politics with friends, because I like them personally for other reasons and don't want to hear them regurgitating what I know to be untrue. Fortunately, I'm able to find fellow political travelers online. Interestingly, the biggest thing we seem to have in common is that because of our early experiences, we were either outsiders or, in my case, had a "feeling slightly outside things" - which, as it turns out, is amazingly liberating.

The thing I've begun to notice more is what seems to be a determined effort to "remove the human" in terms of human culture and values and history, and not just by the WEF with its transhumanism discussion. I think my friend is right who said, "I agree that this sudden interest in these age-old good-vs-evil themes is not only interesting but revealing of some kind of deep unrest within the hearts of our collective human souls. It's as if some patterns, long discussed, mostly dismissed (in modern philosophical/educational discourse at least) are suddenly coming into focus again."

Feral Finster's avatar

Humans are herd animals to rival any sheep or dog.

Victor's avatar

Just as long as they are winning - or able to enjoy a few beers with their favourite sports event, or perhaps just putting food on the table.

Goldhoarder's avatar

From Ron Suskind's book. The reality based community

Victor's avatar

You're right, of course, but I believe he was quoting Karl Rove even though Rove denies saying it. It would be entirely like Rove to say something like that as he was the image maker par excellence.

PFC Billy's avatar

@Goldhoarder

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too".

Tom Welsh's avatar

"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

- Ronald Suskind (American journalist) reporting the comments of a White House aide (later identified as Karl Rove) ["Without A Doubt" by Ron Suskind, The New York Times Magazine, 17 October 2004].

JohnOnKaui's avatar

What a can of worms you've opened in my head.

Tom Welsh's avatar

I hope that's good! Another of my favourite quotations:

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!', but 'That's funny ...'"

- Isaac Asimov, Proceedings of the ... session: Volume 36 - página 22, South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission - SOPAC Technical Secretariat, 1994

Or, as someone else put it, the most important thinkers are not those who come up with new answers but those who discover new questions.

Tom Welsh's avatar

Although I prefer fresh, fatty beef or lamb.

Yoni Reinón's avatar

It looks like the guns are loaded for real this time. Rubio's speech was the final masks off landmark. This trashes Alex Krainer and his wishful thinker Larouchian mates about Trump's Hamiltonian intentions. It was all about US total suppremacy, the New American Century reloaded for the good of the US establishment only, not the globalists. Have you noticed how the BRICs have disappeared from the radar for more than a year now, coinciding with Trumps new term? There are no news concerning new developments in BRIC integration probably because there arent any. Russia is kept at check in Ukraine while the US swipes all its long date foes unmolested. And China is content being allowed to sell its stuff until its turn comes. Tension is to the max.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Have BRICS "disappeared" or has the MSM just stopped telling us what's going on. "Manufacturing Consent" so to speak.

De-dollarization is proceeding apace.

The "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/Jewish Mob" is pressing its last Hurrah.

China is ready.

Russia is ready.

Iran is ready.

Matt Dillon (CRI) is about to face the outlaw (USA) on the streets of Dodge (Persian Gulf). Miss Kitty (wimps like us) has a bottle of whiskey ready for the celebration.... until next week's show. 20 years of the same plot.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047736/episodes/?year=1959

Tom Welsh's avatar

The thing to bear in mind is that BRICS+ is absolutely not a military alliance or anything of the kind. It's essentially a trading bloc that is trying, slowly and carefully, to establish new international financial institutions.

In the long run that will put the colonialists and imperialists out of business permanently. But in the meantime, BRICS+ does not not concern itself with their tricks.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

BRICS is the "audience" CRI must play to.

Gisela's avatar

While BRICS+ tries to be a sole trading alliance, they are nevertheless confronted daily with the US regime's Piracy' and Might is Right' doctrine. If they want to succeed with their economic alliance, they will have to realize that they will have to become a military alliance as well otherwise I see failure on the horizon.

Penelope Pnortney's avatar

BRICS as an entity doesn't have to become a military alliance for individual members to work together militarily. Russia and China are providing weaponry and tech to Iran and no doubt are signaling to Trump that they won't stand by an allow Iran to be destroyed. China also has $700 billion in US Treasuries it can threaten to dump.

Advanced Stupid's avatar

BRICS was never real. Do you honestly believe the Chinese billionaire class is going to go against their darling the USA? Come on... this is poor people stories. If you're a Chinese billionaire do you risk everything in this new venture with zero proven track record or the US which has dominated the world, landed on the moon, invented the internet and has two oceans giving it a form of stability unseen in history? Where would you want to store your billions? South Africa or USA?

This is the problem with these types of tales... they capture the underclass as if Russia and China were best buddies. Last I checked North Korea sent troops to Ukraine, not China. China just sells drone parts to Ukraine to be used against Russia. It was Iran that gave Russia a bunch of drones before it caught up its production, not India. India just takes advantage of Russia by buying its oil really cheap. Where is your BRICS now? Who put these stories in your head, thats the question you should ask.

abcdefg's avatar

You can have any view you like, but fortunately reality always trumps fantasy. The BRICS are all fast growing economies with vast resources leading to capital account surpluses. The US and the West OTOH are heavily in debt and becoming more so. The US has spent 2 decades pretending their economy is solvent by printing trillions of dollars and borrowing tens of trillions. The 2025 US federal budget was just over $7 trillion required a deficit of $1.8 trillion just to balance. They face a stark choice between borrowing more, thereby increasing their interest payments and deficit, or printing more money. $10k gold anyone?

Yoni Reinón's avatar

I am afraid they have disappeared from the Russian media too

Feral Finster's avatar

BRICS was never anything more than a glorified dorm room bull session.

https://korybko.substack.com/p/what-explains-indias-new-perceptible/comments

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Let us agree we have different views

Cotra's avatar

The west is just stronger because it is ready and even eager to use its nukes while nobody is afraid of Russia or China.

Tom Welsh's avatar

That is a basic asymmetry of our world: the angry, violent, stupid, and ignorant can threaten or even harm the patient, civilised, decent, and gentle.

But there are limits. "Beware the anger of a patient man". (And no, I don't have any specific person in mind).

Victor's avatar

I do - three of them.

Tom Welsh's avatar

I suppose there are others! (And then there's Mr Medvedev...)

Gisela's avatar

Unfortunately, most 'patient man' means 'brainwashed man', incapable of independent thinking and logical conclusion.

Feral Finster's avatar

"Beware the anger of the patient man" is just one of those things humans tell themselves to feel better

Victor's avatar

I am reminded of a group of rowdy boys who came upon a cave containing a sleeping bear. One of the boys decided as a prank to poke him with a stick. |Nothing. He poked him again. Still nothing. The other boys began to laugh and shout - "Again! Again!". And the first boy, encouraged by the taunts decided to show his courage and entered the cave. Suddenly the boys stopped laughing as they heard a massive growl as the bear awoke and slashed the impudent boy, tearing open his stomach. The others turned and ran, and looking back saw the bear eating the boy alive.

Impudence in the face of real strength always bears a heavy cost.

Goldhoarder's avatar

The West is not stronger. It is just more desperate

Yoni Reinón's avatar

To be honest, I think you are quite right. When we talk about “sovereign countries” we often whine over “ Ohhh, the big bad empire attacked that little SO VE REIGN country” !!! Bad bad daddy !!! But the fact is sovereignty is not a certificate someone wins and forget. It implies the exercise of a set of powers and premises, like the legitimate use of force, real credible disuation, law enforcement, rule of law, and so on…

One of the key features of the regime change color revolution operations is to deny the target state the right to implement one or several prerrogatives pertaining to its sovereign statecraft. For example, they expect the police and military forces not to intervene or repress engineered uprises, under the threat of human right violations accusations. If the target state, say Iran, fold under this threat they effectively lose a major statecraft entitlement, namely, the legitimate use of force. They adamantly and repeatedly try to dismount the leadership of the target state until it finally breaks. They tried Tiananmen on China. Failed. They tried HongKong too. Failed..They tried covid as a coup against Xi, failed. But this is like a taker boxer unable to punch, its a losing game and basically an abomination. And China is unable to punch, and Russia very much so, same for Iran. These countries are run by the people who still dream to do business with the empire, which estimulates and foster the impetus of the wicked satanic western elite, knowing that there will not be retaliation whatsoever. They are happily seizing the whole Russian and Chinese fleet without consequences. What a shame.

Cotra's avatar

Yes. For example the Empire does not like death penalty in other countries. But you cannot be sovereign without the death penalty or other harsh penalties for traitors. Simply, the Empire can always bribe or buy your people, money is not an issue for them. So you must be able to deny potential traitors something that they cannot buy with money - their lives.

Russia, China and Iran are simply to weak to fight the Empire. They can partially defend themselves, but they cannot hurt the Empire. The global elites massively dream about shopping in Paris or dinners at Epsteins.

abcdefg's avatar

The US is doing a good job of destroying the Empire. Like Sun Tzu said, "the best way to win a war is to not fight it". Let's wait and see who has the better strategy.

bemused's avatar

That's your story and you are sticking to it!

Alyosha's avatar

Follow developments re BRICS here.

https://infobrics.org/

India is pushing payment system to be adopted this year. Lets see what happens

Goldhoarder's avatar

Krainer is not a bad guy but his buddy Tom Luongo is bad news. He is a full fledged neocon in my book. Just with better propaganda. I'm pretty sure he is on somebody's payroll. Their split over the Palestinian issue should have ended that relationship

Frank Sailor's avatar

Controlled opposition, like all the 'good left' people who went on the pay roll of he CIA in the 70's and distorted and damaged the political left until woke perverts emerged with the self given label 'left'.

Yoni Reinón's avatar

I dont like him either

John Wren's avatar

Luongo's cigar chewing, whiskey drinking, swearing persona always struck me as a fake put on. Never liked him.

litoralis's avatar

Maybe China is just quietly going about its short and long term plans and strategies, which would include defending itself from western aggression and securing its own energy, IT and communications infrastructure.

Theyve put in place their own space based communication and defence systems and have a stranglehold on strategic rare earths and critical minerals. I underdtsnd theyre also working on a vaccine to protect against radiation sickness, given USA war game simulations all show China winning any conflict v USA.

Chjna has a healthy surplus and an impressive, sophisticated manufacturing base. The US has limited manufacturing capability, ageing energy and transport infrastructure and a mountain of existing debt. War would bankrupt the US even if it was capable of attacking China.

As per Sun Tsu's wisdom, the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

abcdefg's avatar

The Eastern way may be impossible for some to understand.

PFC Billy's avatar

Karl Rove to reporter Ron Suskind in 2004:

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too".

Bash's avatar

The calculus is based on the downside of action

If the US believes it will suffer no casualties, no aircraft will be downed, no ships hit, no men killed - Iran is as good as bombed

If the EU/NATO feels that seizing Russian ships will elicit "stern rebukes" and nothing else from Moscow, then the Baltic straight is as good as closed. Given how things have gone, I'm rather surprised at European timidity but I guess they are in character here

In the converse, if China amassed an armada like this off the coast of CA, it goes without saying that the US would have attacked it preemptively, as you'd expect from a power with real deterrence

Stop trying to read the tea leaves. This is pretty straightforward

abcdefg's avatar

"If the US believes it will suffer no casualties, no aircraft will be downed, no ships hit, no men killed - Iran is as good as bombed"

Exactly why the US holds off. As the Houthis showed, the USN would be sitting ducks.

abcdefg's avatar

Exactly. And remember the big dick bravado with Signalgate. The goat herders really shone the light on the shining city.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

It is so weird that I as a "patriotic American" am looking forward to the sinking of an American Aircraft carrier.

I believe it will be the only way to free ourselves from ICE.

But then, it took me nearly 20 years to understand the first 9/11 in Chile. I'm sure most have no idea what I'm talking about. That's the problem. The lack of historical knowledge.

God damn people. Aaron Good is serving it up on a silver platter. He's only providing the "what". It is up to you to decide if you want to continue to live under the tyranny that he reveals.

Tom Welsh's avatar

Not really. I think it reflects well on you. What is right, and what will be best for all humans, is far more important than cheering for your "own side".

A couple of very sensible and moral observations:

'My country, right or wrong,' is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, 'My mother, drunk or sober.'

- G. K. Chesterton, “The Defendant” http://www.online-literature.com/chesterton/the-defendant/16/

My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.

- U.S. Senator Carl Christian Schurz, 29 February 1872.

Tom Welsh's avatar

Although perhaps the idea of a drunken mother has lost much of its shock value since Chesterton's time.

Frank Sailor's avatar

Killing Salvador Allende was the start of the neoliberal dictatorship that they had the audacity to sell as democracy to their ignorant population. In the football stadium of Santiago de Chile they broke Victor Charra's fingers a he played 'bandiera rossa' on his guitar. After he did not stop singing then they cut out his tongue. When he then tried to hum the melody, they beat him to death with the end of their rifles until he was silenced.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Just like the Israeli settlers who have attacked and murdered those involved in the Oscar winning documentary "no other land"

I believe this is the link to the podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/useful-idiots-with-katie-halper-and-aaron-mat%C3%A9/id1476110521?i=1000749728912

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Interesting again. A like to this comment shows up in my email spam folder.

Is that because "Israeli" was in my comment?

How paranoid should I be?

Maria Swart's avatar

Só the assassins are always on the move, right, from the Chilwan Cooper belt up to Hiroshima et Nagasaki, passed by Vietnam up so forth Iraq, Angola etc, etc they're rare as the mineral earth, né?

bemused's avatar

Why in the world are you so fixated on ICE? You seem to be giving them almost mythical power. They are trying to deport illegal aliens, by detainer after they have been arrested for other crimes whenever possible. You've gotten this idea stuck in your head that they are Trump's brownshirts but you have given no evidence whatsoever to support it.

Tom Welsh's avatar

As a foreigner with little idea of US law, it seems to me that the Biden administration and other officials who deliberately ushered hundreds of thousands or millions of illegal immigrants into the USA created a trap for anyone trying to reverse the process.

Every illegal immigrant committed a crime (by definition) in entering the USA. But now they are in the country, it is extraordinarily hard for the government even to identify them, let alone expel them. The constitutional freedoms guaranteed to US citizens prevent government officials from arbitrarily arresting or even detaining people on suspicion alone. But how else can they ever hope to find out who is an illegal?

It's like mixing ink in water; easy to do, almost impossible to reverse. As the Russians (used to) say, "It's a kopeck to get in, but a rouble to get out".

Even if the government could identify all the illegal immigrants and arrest them, it could not expel them until some other country was willing to accept them.

Rachel's avatar

Neither side is trying to stop illegal immigration. The Trump ICE stuff is theater. Go after Walmart and meatpacking houses who HIRE illegals if you really want to send a message about illegal immigration. The permanent bureaucracy of the uniparty WANTS illegals. Not only are they the best (most exploitable) labor force, their presence dissolves communal solidarity among the people. We see that now, with people all focused on ICE. The elite keep us fighting amongst ourselves. It's so frustrating to watch.

Maria Swart's avatar

Don't sorry about those kaws, as they never respect any!

Gavin Longmuir's avatar

You know, JohnRelaxingOnTheBeach, I went all day today without seeing a single ICE agent. But then I did not see a single Illegal Alien either. I guess I don't consider myself oppressed by ICE -- but there are places I won't go because I would feel oppressed by the dangerous illegal aliens Biden encouraged to walk across the border.

Now, if all the illegal aliens would move to Kaui and ICE could shut down in the rest of the US, I could live with that. Could you, John?

JohnOnKaui's avatar

You aren’t oppressed because you are a white nationalist fascist. You care only about yourself.

Jack Dee's avatar

Here's an interesting point that few people know or appreciate, not only were the Houthis the first in history to hit a ship at sea with an anti-ship ballistic missile, the Yemenis have been in this game for more than 30 years.

The Yemen Arab Republic and the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen were trading Scud missile strikes back in 1994 with missiles they first got and trained with in 1978.

There would be senior Houthi commanders who have not only been firing but also maintaining modifying ballistic missile for more than a full generation. And they have been doing it under operational conditions, moving, targeting and hiding from enemy surveillance and counterstrikes.

Nobody in the West has that sort of experience.

Tim's avatar

Completely wrong, of course.

I refer you to HMS Sheffield in the 1982 Falklands war.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Can we think about "ballistic" for a moment?

an Exocet is not ballistic

Whether an important point or not, I am not in a position to judge.

As an aside, if you weren't "sentient" in 1982, you'd probably have no idea what an Exocet is. Not a criticism, but a plea.

Aside 2: Exocet seems to still be in service. 'Nothing' has changed in 50 years. Larry Johnson's critique of the Tomahawk comes to mind.

Jack Dee's avatar

You're wrong. Very wrong.

The Sheffield was hit by an air launched anti-ship missile, an AM-39 Exocet launched from an Argentine Super Étendard aircraft, from a range of ~20-30 miles out.

The Houthis have hit multiple ships from land with Anti-ship Ballistic Missiles, the MSC Palatium III (Dec 15, 2023), the M/V Gibraltar Eagle (Jan 15, 2024) the True Confidence (Mar 6, 2024) the M/T Wind (May 18, 2024) and at ranges around 300 - 500km. None sunk, but solid hits.

This is a significantly new technology and it was the Houthis who put points on the scoreboard with it first.

Here is another very significant strategic difference. The Houthis have no air force. Their opposition, the Americans, Israelis and Saudis have satellite surveillance and air superiority over all of Yemen. And yet the Houthis can still operate effectively, they've managed to hit targets more than 1000km away from their home base.

People like to think of the Houthis as flip-flop wearing mountain boy Fedayeen jihadists, and I'm sure they often do wear some style of sandals. But they aren't dumb and this is far from their first rodeo.

And all of that is before we even start to talk about what the Persians can do.

Tim's avatar

All this is well and good, but I cannot believe that ballistic missiles hit the ships you mention - had they done so, the ships would have gone down, whether the missile hit the ship amidships, or even glanced along the sides.

By definition, ballistics have enormous kinetic energy, and it is that primarily that does the damage, as we have seen with the Oreshnik.

I think they were hit by Exocet-type missiles.

Jack Dee's avatar

Well you can investigate for yourself what exactly happened to the MSC Palatium III (Dec 15, 2023), the M/V Gibraltar Eagle (Jan 15, 2024) the True Confidence (Mar 6, 2024) the M/T Wind (May 18, 2024) and then decide what is the most likely explanation.

Also, what is "enormous kinetic energy" in this context? It sounds rather vague. "Ballistic" is a description of the way the missile moves, not its size or destructive power.

Here are a few other points to remember,

Rebel forces are winning as long as they can stay in the field, control who enters their territory and score hits. You don't have to kill the sheriff, just keep him out of your town.

Also when considering reports of the Houthis or the Iranians, who are we getting those reports from? The MSM are no friends of either. Are they more likely to downplay or up play their military strength and successful strikes?

Information warfare is probably the most crucial weapon in this war.

Goldhoarder's avatar

AM39 Exocet is not a ballistic missle. It is a subsonic cruise missle launched from a plane

Alyosha's avatar

"In the converse, if China amassed an armada like this off the coast of CA, it goes without saying that the US would have attacked it preemptively, as you'd expect from a power with real deterrence "

The thing is nobody is going to amass anything because nobody is a sick fuck like US. People just try to mind their own business. All we see, though, is Ledeen Doctrine.

Bully Cuba? Jesus.

abcdefg's avatar
3dEdited

Grenada must be breathing a sigh of relief.

Robert Ritchie's avatar

IDK - maybe our next step in the Reconquista is to bomb Spain back into the stone age? ;)

(Granada/Grenada).

Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

After all, Spain is in BRICS 😂

Victor's avatar

Yeah, them too! 😂

Tim's avatar

Mr Rubio misses the crucial point, ie that Europe in past ages was a Christian entity, and it resisted the inroads of islam; today, it is a pagan entity, which encourages the influx of islam.

Shagbark's avatar

Your worldview is a riot!😂

Tim's avatar

That's one way of describing it, I suppose.

But facts speak louder than my worldview.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

With all the tanker sorties out of St. Croix, I'm not.

Tom Welsh's avatar

Remember that old saying? "Bullies are always cowards".

bemused's avatar
3dEdited

There are many old sayings. Some of which are true. For that particular one, in the schoolyard that may be true though it seems to me that it is more to give a sense of moral superiority to the bullied. In the real world, not so much.

Tom Welsh's avatar

Most old sayings are true only on occasion. They are not binding rules, but templates to help you recognise a common situation.

Feral Finster's avatar

That's another one of those things humans tell themselves to feel better.

My experience is very different.

Victor's avatar

As usual, people are interpreting caution and the desire for diplomacy as weakness and cowardice. It is the Western way, unfortunately. What they will find out is that when Iran, Russia and China are pushed to the point of existential circumstance, the West will pay heavily with blood and treasure.

I remain hopeful that the West will finally cross that line and begin to learn that lesson, and that hopefully it won't lead to a nuclear exchange..

Mikey Johnson's avatar

You dont think Russia and China has been pushed around already?

Frank Sailor's avatar

Have they or is it what the western publications try to convey to their public every day? As far as I am informed, Russia and China doing fine compared to the 'western world' at the moment.

That Russia has soldiers dying and crippling in Ukraine is bad fr sure but it's the decision of the Russian people and they have the right to make their own decisions.

Feral Finster's avatar

OK, pretend that Russian munitions were hitting the US daily. The response would be brutal, immediate and unmistakable.

Which is why nobody tries it.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Perhaps. I think it’s more because the oceans are vast. But sure, everyone is terrified of the American beast. I sure am.

Feral Finster's avatar

We don't see Russian munitions hitting europe, either. Not because anyone could possibly fear a european, but because the euros would run screaming to the United States.

Victor's avatar

Not near to the extent demanding a hot war. Up to now it is more like naughtiness than outright acts of war. When nukes are a possibility, you must exercise extreme caution, esp between major nuclear powers.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

You are evading your own words…

What do you mean by: ” What they will find out is that when Iran, Russia and China are pushed to the point of existential circumstance, the West will pay heavily with blood and treasure.”

Victor's avatar

I am, of course, stating that there will arise a point at which these countries (one or more of them), will have to fight back of necessity - and at that point the West will suffer badly, but hopefully, no nukes will be involved.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Ok. No nukes I agree on.

But I think we have passed the point of necessity.

Think of it:

* Reptilians all over in EU and US Congress

* People laughing and sighing of Epsteins cesspool - nothing to see there

* US triggering conflicts all over the World since 1945

* EU openly plannong for a stand-off with Russia

I think there are a lot of boilings frogs all over the World…

Robert's avatar

I guess threatening trade by seizing their merchant ships. They haven't acted yet, but this is one issue they are vulnerable to. There are logistical problems - Russia is trying to organise access to naval bases.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Mikey, you seem to have missed the plot of all those Clint Eastwood movies.

The response has to be "righteous".

(I guess it doesn't help that those movies are decades old.)

Victor and Frank are giving you <I can't find the word, sigh> reasons.

I'm telling you the emotions of the audience "count" more.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Yeah. Have probably missed a lot….

I love Clint Eastwood. Most of the arguing is done with a Magnum 45 bullet as argument. I am a peaceful man and think dimplomacy and negotations is better than War. But when you have to do with bullies….whack them.

Feral Finster's avatar

The response doesn't need to be righteous. Nobody cares.

The response needs to be effective.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

It won’t be effective if not righteous. This is a battle for the minds of the global south. Hard to say what might be effective if they don’t subscribe to the meme.

Then there is long vs short term. I’m looking at long.

Feral Finster's avatar

The global south could not care less about right either. That is why they still chase after American carrot and fear American stick.

Otherwise, you're just Waiting For Godot.

aDoozy's avatar

Yes, Israel is a wildcard because Netanyahu in his desperation could use nukes. If Iran, with aid from its partners Russia and China, does not fall under the guns of the US, or under the guns of both the US and Israel...Israel could hit Iran with one or more nuclear warheads.

Along with you, I am hoping--and praying--for a back-off, Victor.

Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

The problem here is, that if Israel backs down, it will come back in a few months again.

That's what's frustrating Iranians. Whatever solution that doesn't involve Iran being attacked, will only be temporary. It's been like this for 46 years and unless the matter is settled, it will be like this for at least 46 years more.

Victor's avatar

True. Until this matter is settled once for all, Iran is in the position of having to divert significant resources, resources in critical shortages due to illegal sanctions, to protecting the country. Until they can free themselves from this ongoing conflict, their economy will continue to suffer.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Are you refering to a final solution?

I thought it was forbidden…

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Mikey, you'd like those old Clint Eastwood movies.

I can't recommend where to start. Probably the Dirty Harry series. But do save "Unforgiven" to the end. The smear between "good" and "bad" is a critique of humanity. Crawling out of that muck should be our goal. I'm not sure it is possible.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Next to Bible, the Eastwood movies is my gospel.

Sadly, humanity has left all morale principles.

We are litterally in the Jungle now.

Jürgen Räche's avatar

If Israel uses nuclear weapons, Russia and China MUST react. The US leadership would lose all popular support if it actively interfered in this, which would be a 100% warlike action by the Russians and their Arab neighbors. It would be the END of Israel, regardless of how the US reacted.

Feral Finster's avatar

"The US leadership would lose all popular support if it actively interfered in this, which would be a 100% warlike action by the Russians and their Arab neighbors. It would be the END of Israel, regardless of how the US reacted."

Don't kid yourself. Look at Japan, loyal American catamite to the point where the mayor of Hiroshima cannot bring himself to say that the United States used a nuclear weapon on his city.

The world respects only strength and decisiveness. The Americans have it. Russia and China, sadly, do not.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Me...

I kinda want to just get it over with.

Back off, and another decade of terror.

Fuck it.

Where's the guillotine for Rubio?

Where's the resistance to ICE?

Live as slaves, die as slaves.

bemused's avatar

And yet, most of us here in the US do not consider ourselves as slaves in any way, shape, or form. The fact that you do describes only your worldview. Not reality.

dacoelec's avatar

You have your head up your a**.

bemused's avatar

Always nice to read an intelligent rebuttal.

ReynMeLo's avatar
3dEdited

Americans have committed genocide on millions, if currently the SMO has caused 2-3million dead ethnic Russians, how far extreme do you have to go to say its 'existential'? 20 million?

It has been existential since 1991, and these countries are all taking a beating after beating, and beating. Civilians and poor soldiers are paying the heavy price for zionist political leaders and oligarchs decisions.

Dhdh's avatar

Not Americans - but the Jew that run America. Genocidal is what the Jew does.

Tim's avatar

GM's modus operandi, of course.

Where is he when you need him?

Alyosha's avatar

Retired, ReynMeLo is taking over.

abcdefg's avatar

Maybe they sacked the one trick pony?

Chip Worley's avatar

“The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of men who wanted to be left alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these men who wanted to be left alone, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream and beg for mercy… but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the men who just wanted to be left alone.” ― Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

Chip

Victor's avatar

Excellent quote. It describes the Russian mindset during the Great Patriotic War perfectly.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Frustrating. I want to restack your comment. Sometimes the option shows up but not now <sigh>

VHMan's avatar

Thanks for the Solzhenitsyn, one of the few truly greats of the 20th century.

Maria Swart's avatar

Bravo Bash, well said!

abcdefg's avatar

The problem with blockading Iranian oil is the obvious counter-blockade. Iran has been planning a closure of Hormuz for a very long time.

Chris G's avatar

Yes, and the closure of Hormuz is Iran’s most effective weapon. Immediate economic pressure on the US, Europe, Japan, and a backlash against Israel, which is the primary source of all Mideast wars. In addition, because it does not attack US forces directly, it clearly shows the US as the aggressor, and Iran as the aggrieved party. A hike in oil/gas prices does serious damage to the US economy, inflation, and interest rates. With the upcoming midterms Trump is suddenly in a much deeper hole than he is currently.

Maria Swart's avatar

Brilliantly Said!

Bravo, bravo, bravo...

infoshark's avatar

You are thinking about arteries.

Instead think about the heart.

Approximately 75% of fossil energy imports to the Asia-Pacific are from the Middle East. In particular, more than 50% of China's fossil energy imports are from the Middle East and approximately 20% of total Middle East Oil exports go to Europe.

Suppose dark-triad psychology, and negative-sum game strategy of existing hegemony.

In this context, strategic sequencing to maintain the relative* primacy of the existing hegemony would necessitate the thermodynamic decapitation of its rivals. (*emphasis added)

In this context,the main impetus behind USA war on Iran may have nothing to do with Iran per se, and everything to do with destroying Middle East oil infrastructure under the distributed accountability of a regional war. In one swoop China would be thermodynamically decapitated, and Europe would be maximally dependent on the USA. Moreover, currently economically and thermodynamically powerful Middle East nations would be neutralized, pre-empting their joining of BRICS etc.

Whole world would lose, but the existing hegemony would maintain its relative primacy.

Liza Gumbi's avatar

Iran can send it's oil by train if push comes to shove. The rail line between Iran and Xinjiang (I think) is operational.

Feral Finster's avatar

Even if the inftrastructure were sufficient, even if there were loading and offloading facilities in place, railroads can easily be bombed.

Liza Gumbi's avatar

Just like planes shot out of the sky. If you really believe the US will bomb it, then believe US planes will be downed if they do. The US tried mightily to stop that rail line being made. And failed. Westerners like to think the US is omnipresent and omniscient. It is not.

Feral Finster's avatar

Do you not know how standoff weapons work? Note that precisely zero US aircraft were lost in the 12 day war.

Liza Gumbi's avatar

When you try to wage war on many countries at once - you will lose. The US is drunk on hubris - it leaders think it's invincible. That will come to an end soon enough. It's my really just a matter of time.

abcdefg's avatar

Is Trump ready with that gamble? A perceived loss even if the Iranian oil industry is destroyed, would spell the end of the Empire. It is on Shakey ground already. The Chinese have been planning for just this scenario and have amassed a years long reserve of oil. The window of opportunity to use this against China is closing rapidly. They are moving rapidly toward electrification and at the same time expanding piped energy supplies from Russia. The US are playing these cards now because they are desperate. Their window of opportunity to contain China is very narrow, or non-existent.

UpgradeToFounding's avatar

Oil does not come from Dinosaurs, this is not a 2nd grade classroom.

Kennewick Man's avatar

The most important factor that is pushing Trump into a showdown with Iran is a 3 inch tall golden pager that he carries in his pocket, just a few short inches from his valuable undersized private parts. His act is anti-American and simply unacceptable.

Chevrus's avatar

And a JINSA suppository the size of a cigar😮

Robert Ritchie's avatar

Ah - so perhaps the true Mossad blackmail is a threat to blow up the pager? :)

Kennewick Man's avatar

Brilliant police work Watson :)

aDoozy's avatar

Ah yes, the symbolic gift from Netanyahu.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Is that golden pager shaped in the form of a calf ?

Chip Worley's avatar

Trump impersonator says he has the "biggest Easter eggs on the planet" LOL... Chip

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y-QlOzwDMMM

Natalia's avatar

1. The United States "President" is Bibi Netanyahu

2. Congress is The Knesset 2.0

3. We are all Palestinians and will be treated as such by the Global Lord & Master. They own everything anyway and are buying up Kenya, Argentina, Zimbabwe, etc.That's why there are no repercussions for the ungodly acts against humanity. We're all cooked.

So, is the hacking of Palantir true? "Palantir is creating nuclear and bio weapon capabilities for Ukraine and is working closely with the CIA to defeat Russia. They believe they are one year away. They plan to achieve this by keeping Russia busy with meaningless peace negotiations."

Peter Thiel actually spells "The Reptile"

Rashmi's avatar

Russia currently needs a Stalin and not a Putin I think.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Bullshit.

What would Stalin have done differently?

Stalin signed the non-aggression pact with Hitler and together they devoured Poland.

Barbarosa was Hitler's swelled head.

Putin is waiting, and preparing, for the attack from the West. Russia is ready.

The coming war is being orchestrated by the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/Jewish Mob". Rubio is a member of the mob. (Funny, not everyone in the Jewish mob is a Jew, and not all Jews are members)

Tim's avatar

jews control it, though.

All the rest are what they call useful idiots, or righteous gentiles.

Stalin's NAP with Hitler was to give the latter space to destroy as much of the western arms and men as possible, before he took out the rest in the European invasion he had been planning for the previous 15 years.

Hitler got wind of the plan, and was therefore obliged to launch Barbarossa.

Roger Boyd's avatar

Stop talking rubbish man. Stalin's pact over Poland was because the Brits were hanging the Soviet Union out to dry, its all in the diplomatic record. Stalin managed to push back the start line for Barbarossa by hundreds of kms.

Dhdh's avatar

Citation needed. The Soviet and Churchill were just Jew stooges. Same as frank roosevelt.

Tim's avatar

Stop talking rubbish man.

Maybe you can explain how the "Brits could hang the soviets out to dry."

Their policy would have been to get Stalin to deny such a pact, because then, Hitler would have thought three times before invading.

It's exactly as I said, as various post-soviet investigators and writers have agreed.

Digger B!'s avatar

He isn't talking Rubbish. For my own bullet pointed summary of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Agreement:-

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●    Poland signed a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany on 26th January 1934;

●    When the Soviet Union formally joined the League of Nations in 1934, Stalin pleaded with Britain and France to present a United Front against fascism. They declined;

●    When Hitler threatened Czechoslovakia, the Soviets wanted to defend their ally,  however Poland refused to let the Red Army cross it's territory;

●    When Germany took the Sudetenland, Poland and Hungary took other parts of Czechoslovakia;

●    Stalin again appealed to Britain and France to form an anti-Nazi alliance, but they refused. Instead they signed the Munich "Betrayal" Pact, which approved Hitler's conquest;

●    Britain and France expected Hitler to continue pushing East, to create the Lebensraum he wrote about in Mein Kampf;

●    Britain tried to negotiate a comprehensive economic, political and military alliance to become full allies with Hitler, however the Day Telegraph leaked details and the public reaction prevented it going ahead;

●    In 1931, Stalin had warned: "We are 50 to 100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us";

●    For the Soviets to buy the equipment needed to prepare for Hitler's invasion, the Western powers demanded payment in grain. As this aggravated the Soviet famine ("The Holodomor"), the Soviets were only able to purchase the most important items,  When the war was looming, Stalin had no choice but to obtain other essential equipment from Germany itself;

●    Hitler wasn't ready to fight the USSR with Europe at his back, and the Soviets were already fighting Japan in the East, so on 23rd August 1939 they signed a non-aggression pact;

●    Two countries agreeing not to attack each other, does not make them allies, otherwise Poland was an ally of Nazi Germany first and Britain nearly was;

●    Germany and Slovakia agreed to invade Poland before Stalin agreed to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, and they would have proceeded regardless. Therefore it is disingenuous to suggest that they jointly invaded Poland;

●    On 1st September 1939, Germany invaded Poland. 16 days later, Stalin ordered the Red Army to take back territory which had been stolen from Russia during its civil war (Volhynia and Eastern Galicia);

●    The Polish President, Ignacy Mościcki, ordered the Polish troops to fall back, and only engage Soviet troops if they are attacked first

●    On 1st October 1939, Winston Churchill stated: "... That the Russian armies should stand on this line was clearly necessary for the safety of Russia against the Nazi menace...";

●    If Russia hadn't recovered its stolen territories, Operation Barbarossa would have started hundreds of miles further East. This would have increased the chances of victory and the whole world turning Nazi; and

●    After Germany began an invasion of the Soviet Union, Ukrainian Nazi sympathisers killed up to 200,000 Poles in some of the most evil ways possible to drive them from land which was wanted for a future Ukrainian state...

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SOURCES:-

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https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-German-and-the-Soviet-governments-justify-to-their-peoples-the-Molotov-Ribbentrop-Pact/answer/Question-Everything-96?prompt_topic_bio=1

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

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https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-purpose-of-the-Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop-Pact/answer/Question-Everything-96

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

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https://conservativehome.com/2022/03/18/adrian-lee-the-dusseldorf-agreement-when-british-industry-almost-got-into-bed-with-the-nazis/

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https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/the-anglo-nazi-global-empire-that

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(Documents and Materials relating to the Eve of the Second World War: The Dirksen Papers: Volume II (1938-39) PP 74 - 75))

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https://www.kitklarenberg.com/api/v1/file/78c30f77-2844-4983-857a-3b39575d6a42.pdf

Alyosha's avatar

Shitload of destruction mini mustache man did in the west, lmao.

Tim's avatar

Tends to happen when two major Euro nations declare war on you.

Alyosha's avatar

There was barely any destruction Stalin had in mind, valiant Europeans kept surrendering on mass non stop.

Failed reading of the Westoids, like with Litvinov's work.

lmao

Alyosha's avatar

Make shift Barbarossa campaign again. lmao

Tim's avatar

Barbarossa would only need to be launched again if Russia was preparing to attack Europe, as they were in 1941.

But as they aren't, then everybody in Germany can stay home.

Alyosha's avatar

Yes, Tim. Exactly.

Roger Boyd's avatar

Yes Tim, and pigs can fly. Hitler actually wrote about the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Soviet Union to make room for the lebensraum. Creating a German version of the US West. The Nazis tended to document their plans also, a bit of a problem for anti-Soviet fantasists.

Dhdh's avatar

JEWonKaui again trying to deflect from his tribe and the Jew problem. Every Jew is an enemy agent.

Solve the Jew problem and wars basically stop.

Cotra's avatar

Putin is an frightened old man.

Russia won't retaliate even if hit with n weapons.

Alyosha's avatar

Back to frightened old man slogans again, are we?

Cotra's avatar

That is how Putin behaves.

Alyosha's avatar

That is your retarded repetitive crap.

Marledonna's avatar

And Putin rightfully so should be frightened. frightened of the insane stupidity in the west. Putin helped buildup Russia again after the collapse of the USSR and the looting of the country by the west. That will all be in vein when the border conflict results in a nuclear war: everybody loses

Feral Finster's avatar

The rulers of the West are convinced that a nuclear war will be survivable for themselves (and who cares about the peons?) and besides, Russia doesn't have the stones.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Replying to my own comment because the "mess" I've conjured up is fascinating.

The only response I truly have is that Cotra's claim Russia won't launch nukes is insane.

Cotra's avatar

There is an old film "Fail safe" about that.

The First Strike Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXZF6DwKvCI

Alyosha's avatar

Another septuagenarian "pundit", now things make more sense why "feeling" something translates into "fact".

JohnOnKaui's avatar

The only nation with such a damaged psychology that it might launch a first strike is Israel. I'm having doubts about the USA though.

Rubio's criminal association is becoming so obvious that it becomes hard to deny his power over Trump.

Dhdh's avatar

With Netanyahu at his side, William Daroff—CEO of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations—demands the conservative movement "condemn" Tucker Carlson for the "hate" that he spreads.

Daroff says Carlson is "the Father [Charles] Coughlin of our age" and "what stopped Coughlin was when the Catholic Church, which had supported him, stood up and stopped him and called him out."

"And Mr. Prime Minister, today the American conservative movement should do exactly the same … which is to call out Tucker Carlson and condemn him for the hate that he purveys!"

He adds that Jews globally are "one people" and "unity between Israeli and American Jewry" is "essential"—then presents Netanyahu with an award.

Moose & Squirrel's avatar

One can argue that Rubio is *so* owned by the Jews that he's constructively a Jew. Rubio is where he is almost solely due to the money and influence of one Miami Jew billionaire Norman Braman. Braman is literally Miami's Sheldon Adelman, e.g., Braman has so much money he owns an original, parchment copy of the Declaration of Independence. Braman:

1) Employed Rubio as a lawyer;

2) Hired Rubio's wife to work for his charities;

3) Allegedly helped fund Rubio's adjunct professorship at Florida International University;

4) Was a major bundler/whale for Rubio's political campaigns;

5) Was very likely involved in covering up some shenanigans with which young Little Marco was involved that would have immediately tanked him as a conservative Republican candidate.

Plus the ultimate form of ownership: right after Rubio was first elected to the Senate, Braman took Rubio to Israel.

The appointment of Rubio as Secretary of State was the first major sign that the second Trump administration was going to be as compromised as the first due to the presence of neocons/denizens of the Deep State in Trump's administration.

Cotra's avatar

A question. Rubio is mainly very hawkish related to Latin America.

What would Jews have against Latinos. ?

Roger Boyd's avatar

Because he is also a product of the Miami Latino Mafia.

Moose & Squirrel's avatar

The practical reply is that Rubio is owned by the capitalists who want to plunder and control, especially those weaker and less able to fight back. And who runs the American capitalist system?

The cynical reply is that the Jews have something against every non-Jew/goyim who isn't directly helping them ... and even then those goyim are disposable once their purpose is finished.

If you question this, a read through - even a skim of - the Talmud would be *highly* enlightening.

Barry McEntyre's avatar

There would be no attack if he had sufficient deterrence posture.

Of course, he's waiting for attack, like an idiot.

Maria Swart's avatar

Bravo, bravo insught!

The mobs of psychos...

PForty7's avatar

You need to read The Battle of the Dnieper, which is not read by many WWII students. Then you will see how Stalin would be different.

Feral Finster's avatar

Stalin signed the non-aggression pact because after Munich, it was obvious that the anglo-french plan was for germany and Russia to fight.

John Galtsky's avatar

"Russia currently needs a Stalin and not a Putin I think."

Thanks for telling us you don't know anything at all about Stalin or about war, geopolitics, etc.

Stalin executed or imprisoned nearly all of the USSR's most competent generals and officers. Besides that, his total and gross incompetence in military matters resulted in millions, literally millions, of Soviet soldiers being encircled and captured by the Nazis, with most of them dying in Nazi concentration camps.

The USSR defeated the Nazi coalition (Germany, Bulgaria, Italy, Romania, Finland, etc.) *despite* Stalin's gross military incompetence, not because of it. Doh.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Not much Bulgaria at all, more Hungary and other assorted Papists.

Tim's avatar

Stalin refused to give captured German soldiers any rights whatsoever under the Geneva convention, so Hitler reciprocated.

Dhdh's avatar

The German fought honorably. Only the Jew commissars were subject to immediate death when captured. And rightly so.

Dhdh's avatar

The Soviet was the meat shield for the Jew with unlimited material supplied by the Jew USA. It was pure mass against German quality.

Liza Gumbi's avatar

Your hatred of Jews is so all-consuming it negates anything you say. I actually don't think I've read a post from you without the word Jew in it.

Dhdh's avatar

So you don’t hate evil ?

Dhdh's avatar

Most Soviet soldiers who surrendered ended up working for the Germans doing labor. Stalin ordered that even those captured fighting g were traitors and they and their family were su he t to execution. So most Soviet soldiers surrendered rather than fight to the death or die for not fighting to the death at the hand of a Jew so it commissar.

Dhdh's avatar

The ussr was just 1 of 3 Jew run empires. It is amazing how ell the Germans did fighting the Jew run USA UK and USSR

JohnOnKaui's avatar

You sound like that General on the TV show "Homeland". Full of crap about protecting "America".

Whether or not the General should have been poisoned (I watched that episode last night) for being a traitor, I can't say. But I do agree with President Keene that the fact that the "jury" didn't sentence him to death was a revealing moment.

It will be "interesting" to watch the parallels between the fictional Keene and the real-life Trump over the next several weeks.

It will also be interesting to see which side "Americans" take. When will the first ICE agent be assassinated in his home? Will his wife and children also be victims?

I'm not advocating anything. This has spiraled beyond my wildest imagination. I'm just reporting what I'm seeing.

John Galtsky's avatar

"You sound like that General on the TV show "Homeland". Full of crap about protecting "America"."

In what way did my pointing out Stalin was a horrifically incompetent war leader have anything to do with "crap about protecting 'America'"?

With very few exceptions I don't watch American TV. For the most part it has too many stupid / sophomoric moments and usually way too much third rate political correctness and propaganda.

For example, I downloaded "For all Mankind," an Apple produced miniseries to watch on the treadmill on the gym on my phone when it's a slow news day and I've blasted through all the TV news on the treadmill's built-in video. It alternates between an interesting treatment of an alternate history of the space race and regular lapses into nutcase political correctness, all with a background of unrelenting, almost Soviet, insistence on Thought Control from a liberal perspective. For example, Nixon is always evil and Ted Kennedy is always a noble paragon of virtue.

And it's full of occasions where they pause the plot so a character can deliver an extended speech on liberal-Marxist principles.

For example, in the second episode of the first season there's a scene where two US astronauts, crewmembers on the same flight, both Navy pilots during Vietnam, in an astronaut bar are having beers and Apple has the one astronaut earnestly talking about his disgust at the Chicago riots (a big political deal in 1968, I believe), but he's not disgusted at the utter lawlessness of people trashing property and attacking others in the streets, he goes off on a rant at how disgusted he was at cops breaking heads and attacking "kids."

Anybody with an iota of awareness of those times knows there's no way a gung-ho Navy pilot from Vietnam in those days would have taken the side of criminals against police doing their duty to prevent rioters from tearing up the city. But that's not going to stop Apple from claiming that despite their misogyny some astronauts nonetheless were good people who saw that police are evil and lawless rioters are good.

Anyway, I haven't seen "Homeland," but given the extremely low level of intellect prevalent in US TV these days there's such a low likelihood it will be tolerable that I'm reluctant to download it just to check out what's behind what you wrote.

You'd have a much better chance of making sense and advancing a serious argument (these are serious matters, after all) if you didn't take the intellectually lazy way out of quoting American pop culture but instead took the time to do a bit of heavy lifting, learned something about real history instead of fake fiction, and then commented incisively based on real events.

Stalin, like the other monsters of that era (Churchill, Truman, Mao, and sadly, even Roosevelt in a tragic way), had great impact on today's world and the catastrophes that may engulf it. It's worth reading up on him to get the real history, and that's a history that when you get into the guts of it is full of astonishing twists and turns that make any Hollywood plot look goofy and simplistic. As Tom Clancy once famously said, "The difference between reality and writing a novel? The novel has to make sense."

Reading up on Stalin isn't boring, either. For a first cut I suggest the series of books by Simon Sebag Montefiore, an excellent historian who writes like a novelist. Some "serious" historians carp about Montefiore's popular style, but I think they miss the point about how good history doesn't have to be tediously boring. Montefiore, by the way, was personally in the Lenin Library in Moscow doing research on the day that Yeltsin ordered the secret archives to be opened up to everybody, and along with the other researchers who were there that day was the first to get in to see all the deep secrets about Stalin that had been hidden for so many years.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

You have no understanding of what Chicago was all about. You want us to all line up and bow to "authority". I suggest "Born on the 4th of July". The movie may not make sense without having read the book.

The result you believe you are seeking actually happened in 2016 when Hillary was anointed as the Democratic candidate. The will of the "People" was ignored.

Most (at least many) Americans have no desire to "lord over" the rest of the world. But the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/Jewish Mob" insists that it must be in control. The pursuit of empire is on-going. Is that their "job"?

I was a "gung-ho" Air Force pilot so maybe you are suggesting there's some kind of rot in the Navy. (I'm not. There is a stupid debate over which pilots are better. Navy pilots told AF pilots that they had to smash the F-4 on to the ground. When you have a 10,000' runway -- why?)

I certainly have a different perspective on Mao. Unfortunately I have to again refer to "Homeland". Keane is facing the truth that people want to kill her. Just exactly how is she suppose to respond? The series will go on to suggest that she did not respond "correctly". I look at China now and realize they are the largest economy in the world. Of course, it didn't begin to happen until Deng, but the "dominos" had to all be set up correctly. At this point, anyone can make any claims about history and still "be right". (or correct) Bottom line, (opinion of course) if Mao hadn't destroyed the Chinese Oligarchy, Deng wouldn't have had a chance.

In the end, arm-chair generals "always" know that those in political control are idiots. I have little insight into what Stalin thought or what his goal was. I find the bullet points from DiggerB to be incredibly fascinating. Especially the one about the West demanding it be paid in grain which meant starvation for Ukraine and much of Russia.

Debate over how evil Stalin was will not be fruitful. If you want to tell me Trump is Stalin, well, maybe okay. But don't tell me ICE is just "doing its job". They are Brown Shirts, enlisted to scare Americans into compliance with the goals of Fascists.

HBI's avatar

Stalin had gaping holes you could drive a truck through in his leadership philosophy and as usual for politicians, understood virtually nothing about how to successfully prosecute a war. Eventually, he relented and allowed professionals to guide the war to a winning conclusion, and then took over again being himself after the war was over. There, I said the truth - he was a shitty general, without calling him evil or impugning any of his other behaviors.

I agree with Mr. Galt on the astronaut thing, it just doesn't compute. Anyone in the program at that time was a veteran of WWII or Korea, and I certainly know that attitude very well. Sympathy for street rioting was not a component of that worldview, whatever your politics. These were the same kind of people out in the streets fighting in police lines against mobs trying to overrun cities.

John Galtsky's avatar

"Debate over how evil Stalin was will not be fruitful."

No, it's not only extremely fruitful it is essential, because debate over how evil Stalin was reveals those people who think he was not evil or who make excuses for him. In a sane and safe society it is absolutely essential to know those people who themselves are so evil or who are so totally broken mentally that they claim Stalin was not evil.

John Galtsky's avatar

"But don't tell me ICE is just "doing its job". They are Brown Shirts, enlisted to scare Americans into compliance with the goals of Fascists."

It sounds like you really hate democracies, because clearly you hate the outcome of democratic processes like the US claims to apply. Here you are calling even nutcase liberal Democrats "Fascists."

In a democratic republic like the US, the way society learns what the majority of people want to do is by having elections. It's not by listening to would-be philosopher dictators rant on Internet about how everybody who doesn't do things their way is a "Fascist."

In the case of immigration, Americans by overwhelming margins have elected representatives to Congress, the Senate and the White House who have crafted the current immigration statues and administrative regulations that are law in the United States. If you don't agree with those laws and you seek to break them by force of arms or by subterfuge you're a criminal and possibly a traitor. That's the law of the land as set forth in the Constitution and which has been backed by supermajorities of both Democrat and Republican people elected to office in the United States.

The Presidents who have deported the most illegal aliens were not republicans but were Democrats. Bill Clinton, as genuine a Democrat as they come, I believe tops the list in deportation numbers. Number two is Barack Obama, an even more genuine liberal than thou. Trump is way down the list at number four or five at the current rate.

The Democrat "support" for illegal aliens is staggering, considering that the Democrat party to this day is represented in Congress and the Senate by lots of really old people who spent their political careers writing and voting for the exact statues that now Democrats say are evil incarnate. Democrats also staffed the administrations of Democrat Presidents and those Democrats drew up and implemented many of the administrative regulations that organizations like ICE are *required* to follow.

I would be the first to agree that neither Democrats nor Republicans have clean hands when it comes to the administrations they have successfully elected following the law. The US government not following its own laws is a bipartisan problem going back at least to President Jackson mocking the Supreme Court by saying, in effect, he could do whatever he wanted regardless of what the Supreme Court ruled because he had military power and the Supreme Court had no army.

But still, if you believe that a rule of law is a good thing and that it is better for government agencies to follow the law, then unless you're a brain-dead woke liberal you won't be wishing that Federal agencies ignore the law. They *should* be following the laws that Dems and Republicans passed. If you don't like the results of them following the law, don't blame the police, blame the people who passed those laws and the presidents who signed them into effect.

Somebody in the US illegally is *supposed* be deported. What is it about that law (actually a few thousand laws...) that you don't understand? It is a sign of the terminal idiocy that has infected the US that people get outraged when common-sense laws their representatives passed are followed.

The problem isn't ICE. The problem is an insane collection of self-destructive laws. For example, I personally support immigration, but responsible immigration in the old style. Back in the day when Americans had common sense immigrants were welcome, so long as they paid their own way, did not become a burden on people here, learned English, committed to assimilating into American society, and didn't commit crimes. Whoa! What crazy radical ideas!

Throw that away and invite people into the US who want to live without working on welfare, don't speak English, refuse to assimilate into American society and commit crimes and all that breaks. When enough of that happens because the immigration system is rigged to encourage total freeloaders (come here and you get a cash card and free everything right away...) and non-assimilators then, suddenly, you have to start limiting immigration in ways that are extremely difficult to enforce. That's what happened in the US.

Dhdh's avatar

Stop watching Jew tv.

John Galtsky's avatar

OK, I'll admit it. Your comment got me curious enough to look into the TV series "Homeland."

For people in civilized countries that have different tastes in trash TV (let's face it, we all have a taste for trash TV every now and then...), here's how Netflix describes the Homeland series:

"CIA analyst Carrie Mathison struggles with mental health and family issues while she leads the war against terrorism."

Yep. Sounds just like the real world as re-imagined by liberals.

For those who missed the episode where the General was poisoned (shame on you, JohnOnKaui, for putting a spoiler into the comment...), here's what Google AI says about the poisoning:

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In Homeland, the general who was poisoned is General Jamie McClendon (played by Robert Knepper).

The poisoning occurs in the Season 7 premiere, titled "Enemy of the State" (Season 7, Episode 1).

Context of the Poisoning

The Victim: General McClendon was a high-ranking official involved in a conspiracy to assassinate President-elect Elizabeth Keane during the Season 6 finale.

The Act: After being convicted for his role in the coup attempt, McClendon is taken into custody. During a standard strip search at the prison, a guard wearing a poisoned rubber glove touches him, delivering a lethal dose of a toxin.

The Culprit: The assassination is orchestrated by President Keane's Chief of Staff, David Wellington, acting on her behalf to ensure McClendon does not survive to become a "martyr" for the resistance.

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Out of curiosity I looked into the Elizabeth Keane character and who plays her. Much to my surprise, the female President character is *not* a lesbian and she's *not* black. Whoa! Those Netflix writers will no longer be invited to the better Hollywood parties!

In contrast, she's presented as a heterosexual (gasp!) divorcee, and instead of swinging liberal all the time takes an authoritarian turn for the worse. Kudos to the writers for not embracing peak wokism as too many Hollywood writers do.

Hmmm... well, maybe I'll download "Homeland" and take a look. It's a surprisingly long-running series, up to nine or ten seasons, looks like.

Feral Finster's avatar

Stalin made a lot of mistakes.

However, he won.

JimG's avatar

I think Putin has torn allegiances between Israel, Chabad Lubavitch, and Iran. Bibi is his close friend. He promised Iran F35s years ago and they will be more likely flying Chinese J10s if they get anything. China has greater interests in Iran, has invested a lot in Iran as a major player in its Belt and Road initiative, and knows they are next. Wouldn't they rather try out their carrier killer missile in the Indian Ocean rather than over Taiwan? And Xi fired three generals who reportedly didn't want to war against the US, and took full control of the army. China might prefer the Japanese samurai style of war - all in. Iran, Russia, and China are doing navy drills. Isn't the implication that if US attacks Iran, they will be there to fight back? Or will the Russian and Chinese navies run away and let the Iranian navy fight alone?

In Venezuela, the US used an EMP device that "turned out the lights" according to reports over at VT. We hear "the radars were not even attached" because of poor Russian technical support although other sources say Russian technicians run everything over there. Translation - China and Russia knew it was coming and let it happen leaving Trump in a mess and taking the silver. Problem is, Russia forgot about Cuba. Stupid Putin again.

My problem is this: knowing China and Russia also have these non-nuclear devices, and maybe Iran, why doesn't Russia EMP Kiev, take out all electronic devices and sensors, and kidnap Z, and the war would be over. Or is Putin bent on depopulating the Slavic race in his war of human soldier attrition?

JohnOnKaui's avatar

An interesting perspective. I'll put it in my "hopper".

Tim's avatar

It's a thought.

But it may be that each side has said, "We won't use them if you don't."

Dhdh's avatar

F35 are American.

Maria Swart's avatar

He representa both, I guess!

Ahenobarbus's avatar

Dead right, Natalia. We are all Palestinians now. Spray paint it on every wall in America. The truth must be told.

Cheryl Shepherd's avatar

"We are all Palestinians now." - Les Visible said exactly this shortly after 9/11/2001, it is tragic that it took another 25 years for this concept to become widespread.

Ahenobarbus's avatar

Well, it is undeniable now.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

For psychopaths, everyone is a Palestinian or an Epstein bound kid

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Wait…what? Do you mean that the 5D-chess ”attrition” of the collective West hasnt succeded?

Me being sarcastic is due to the sleepwalking in the ”pro-russian” commentariat dreaming of an SMO that never materialize.

Waiting until Kiev launch nukes at Motherland is no good strategy.

Tim's avatar

Any hint of this being done, arriving at the Kremlin, will result in an immediate activation of the Oreshnik system.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Helluva lot more than Hazelnutz will be acting.

Tim's avatar

HN will do for starters.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Cannot reach DC or NY etc.

Tim's avatar

True - but I’m thinking that any nuclear tech being developed will be occurring in Europa.

Once DC / NY get involved, it’s lights out for everybody.

So I think they will keep the threat localized to Europe.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

Are you forgetting about the nuclear powered cruise missile that can stay airborne for months? I forget its name. Ritter has talked about it several times. So have others.

Then there's the other ballistic missile that can fly over the south pole. Again, I forget its name.

Anyway, there's no place on earth that cannot be reached.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Oreshnik after launch of nukes against Kremlin…?

Fantastic response. Will certainly scare the Ukis and West.

Seems like Pro-russian derangement syndrome is spreading….

Tim's avatar

No - you're missing the point - BEFORE.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Really? Why hasnt this been don already then?

Tim's avatar

One assumes because no evidence has accrued that Ukraine is building a nuclear device.

Feral Finster's avatar

Oreshnik doesn't scare anyone in NATO, since a deterrence that you never will use is no deterrent at all.

Lonkal's avatar
3dEdited

Why insult reptiles? Uncalled for.

JimG's avatar

The best way to get rid of Netanyahu, Trump, his Israel first fetish, is the Epstein files. If woman who want woman treated "equally" find out that he raped girl in an criminal organization that also tortured them, murdered them horribly, and ate babies this administration, Hollywood, both the Republican and Democratic parties as well as Israel would be done. RICO the world. Arrest them all and make them testify. And what Muslim, feminist, a real Christian, or a human being would want to support Trump now? "The horror of it all."

Tim's avatar

So called feminists aren't anything of the sort.

They despise other women, generally speaking.

Maria Swart's avatar

Keeping Russia with meaningless peace,.like they're entretaining Iran?

tonyE's avatar

"... Reuters reports ‘insider info’ that Trump ... "

I stopped reading there.

"Reuters reports...."

By now you should see the tail wagging the dog.

abcdefg's avatar

Yes, Reuters should rebrand to Mockingbird Press.

Ismaele's avatar

USrael-Iran war is inevitable, as explained in great detail here: https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/why-usrael-iran-war-is-inevitable?r=25fc37

Trump's continuous threats against Iran are a testament to that, but Iran is prepared for war and coordinating its response also with China and Russia: https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/trumps-continuous-threats-against

For Trump and USrael, this war will not be a walk in the park like Venezuela!

Rashmi's avatar

As long as Iranians or Russians or anyone is using any western tech or devices, these countries are very much insecure.

Ismaele's avatar

Yes, the pager terrorist attack in Lebanon was eye-opening. I really hope Iran, China and Russia are getting rid of any Western device/technology.

aDoozy's avatar

And that they are prepared to protect themselves against the weapon used in the Caracas attack and abduction:

https://www.thedefensenews.com/news-details/Venezuelan-Forces-Allege-US-Used-Directed-Energy-Weapon-in-Secret-Raid-Targeting-Maduro/

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Ya don't know if Uncle Sammy used, let alone has, such a gizmo. The Cubans, or others, do and used it on the Murikan embassy in Havana 10 or so years ago - crickets my arse..."We have hydroponic missiles, too." - The Donald.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

I just fired-up 1 fatty hydroponic missile and am chillin' !

Bendt Obermann's avatar

As a subscriber of yours, I am negligent in not opening those e-mailed links yet. I'll get my lame ol' arse in gear !

Davy Ro's avatar

Trump is a weak compromised Zionist controlled President. He's going to do what Bibi has told him what he wants him to do. It's of no benefit whatsoever, for America in attacking Iran. It will have disastrous consequences for everyone involved. It's a ridiculous thing to do . But Trump will go along with Bibi. Who has to go down in history as on par with their favourite bogey man Hitler.

Longtrail's avatar

You're much more diplomatic than I.

JennyStokes's avatar

You bet that Israel and USA know that Ramadan starts tomorrow or 18th. (depending where your ). This is like bombing Christian countries at Xmas.!

BK's avatar

Using Ramadan is obscene🤮

mary-lou's avatar

true, but that doesn't make it stop.

JennyStokes's avatar

I was making a point!

Bendt Obermann's avatar

As a retired secular agnostic, just don't awaken me while I'm napping or down for my sporadic nightly sleep. Gettin' up to urinate is enough of a hassle.

mary-lou's avatar

this has been going on since the Iraq-Iran war: no mercy, not even during the Fasting Month.

Feral Finster's avatar

So what? Iran will be turned into a failed state. Trump could not care less.

JennyStokes's avatar

WRONG Feral.

To my mind Trump with his antiquated Aircraft carriers will be turned into dust.

Trump is cornered.

IF he does not start this war.........Israel will and then the US will come in to protect Israel.

Either way we are doomed in the West........I hope so.

Feral Finster's avatar

We hear that one over and over. Remember not so long ago people here were calling Assad "the Lion Of Damascus"? Wishful thinking about Oreshniks in Venezuela? Hezbullah neutered? The Houthis have been keeping quiet.

JennyStokes's avatar

OH my Feral.

What are you reading.......you are an American without any shame.

Before you 'jump on me' with your marvellous brain.............tell me something?

Global catastrophe for 'white western dominance!' It's about time and if you think Iran is going to lose this war.........heaven help you.

Feral Finster's avatar

I note that you aren't refuting any of my points.

JennyStokes's avatar

Why would I?

Think what you like (as you do) Feral but most of the world wants to see the decline of Western barbarianism/colonialism.

US/Europe we are just slaves to the declining West.

Davy Ro's avatar

If it was that simple, the 12 day war would have lasted a bit longer & thered be at least half a million casualties by now. I know Trump couldn't care less until he started to receive the criticism & massive push back he'd receive. When American body bags start returning home. Plus those over priced military toys started to be destroyed. He can't take any criticism at all in any form. This is the big difference with Iran, compared to the usual easy targets. Besides neither Russia or China can afford to let Iran become that failed state. If you hadn't realised how close Iran is to Russian borders. It's, a little ignorant saying “so what”. When speaking of the destruction or failure of one of the World's most ancient cultures. Which would involve a massive loss of life. The US wasn't very successful against the Houthi's. Or in Afghanistan for that matter. Proving its politicians & military always over estimate their power & abilities. Which I feel will definitely come into the equation.

Feral Finster's avatar

Nobody of influence and authority cares how old Iran/Persia are. Nor do they care about the loss of life. They are only interested in power. Moral arguments are wasted on sociopaths. The sooner you internalize this basic fact, the sooner you will get wise.

Even if Russia were not timid, China is far away. They will not lift a finger, any more than they did for Venezuela. Hell, Ukraine could be called a failed state, it's right on Russia's border and fires munitions every day at Russia and Russia is unable to do much about it.

Anyway, notice that the Houthis have been quiet, even as the genocide has continued. For that matter, the Americans could have remained in Afghanistan indefinitely, had it been worth the trouble to them.

Davy Ro's avatar

The 1st line you've wrote, said everything about you. The total ignorance & arrogance you're displaying toward another culture. The arrogance in believing you know everyone of influence & authority around the World beggars belief. Unless you're an American, if so that would explain everything.

Feral Finster's avatar

Is the age of Persian culture going to stop the Americans? Nope.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Davy Ro's avatar

They've done a decent job of stopping them for at least 50 years now. So how do you come to your conclusion of them not being able to stop them now. What exactly are you basing that assumption on?

Green-Blue's avatar

Apparently hell is real, as real as this level anyway. Not everlasting, but long enough to make an impression.

I don't envy the neocon psychos and their minions, tbh.

Tim's avatar

Revelation 14 verses 9 - 11 spells out very clearly what the end is for the jew.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

I'd take forever Helll as long as no other arse-wholez are there !

Tim's avatar

"Hell" is a single word in the English, whereas in the Greek and Hebrew it derives from three distinct words - a place of restraint, ie a prison of some sort; a place in which dead bodies are placed, ie a grave, and a place of final destruction by fire, as in a crematorium.

So there is no reason to fear it - the fear that is engendered in most people is because of a Catholic heresy, which was designed to so terrify people threatened with it, that they would pay anything to escape it.

There are three possibilities when you die - you enter the Second Death, which is an eternal sleep; you enter into the Presence of the Son of God, wherein is fullness of joy - or if you are a jew, you are tortured and tormented for ever more.

This latter fate is why Cain, who was the first jew, prophesied, "My punishment is more than I can bear."

Bendt Obermann's avatar

I want the "2nd Death" eternal BIG sleep thingy where I'm not awakened to urinate, pleeeze !

Tim's avatar

God always gives you what you want.

Nocturnal awakenings will cease.

Forever.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

I challenge your Greek & Hebe sources.

Tim's avatar

Tartarus, gehenna, and hades.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

All Mortals go to Hades. Tartarus was for Titans. Other interpretations are bastardized fan-fiction.

Paulo Kirk's avatar

Hmmmm. Century of the Jew, for sure. Neuroperversity and psychopathy and AI and endless billions flowing from 130 Jewish Billionaires and millions of Jewish millionaires, plus the Mossad, man, has all the Spy Cam footage, so there you have it. Feces gouging Trump, heaving in his rape scenes, on HD video, and the world is coming to that end.

https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/cooking-the-books-for-a-terrorist

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Do ya think they gotz an 11 year old Melania putin'-out ?

Kaj Jakobsson's avatar

You left out mass migration caused by the neocon war in Yugoslavia and in Ukraine today.

Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

To paraphrase that famous BBC report from the start of the SMO, that doesn't count because they're Europeans with blue eyes and blonde hair.

John Osman's avatar

Eastern Europeans occupy an intermediate status.

Not quite "white enough".

Like Irish, Greeks and Italians used to be.

Remember to Nazis, Slavs were Untermenschen.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

as an Eastern European myself who has lived all over JUSSA/Europe and Canadistan I can tell you that we are actually the whitest of all. Just look at today's London or Malmo, Stockholm, Paris etc... The most popular name for baby boys in UK/France etc has been Muhamed for quite some time.

I would not be surprised if we become the only white people left in not too distant future

John Osman's avatar

Tomo. You have misunderstood me mate.

Whiteness isn't about actually about skin colour, it's about belonging.

Irish people are literally some of the fairest people in the World, but for centuries they were not considered White.

In apartheid South Africa Japanese people were white and Chinese were coloured.

I am in no way insulting or denigrating Slavs, I am just pointing out that in my opinion we treat you as second class citizens. And I am 100% against it.

Tim's avatar

Completely untrue - you are just regurgitating jewish propaganda.

Many Wehrmacht reports state that the local Russians got on well with the Germans, and cooked for them, and worked alongside them.

ThirstyPerson's avatar

That was true of many French people too. It happens when you get occupied

Tim's avatar

The fact that it happens shows that the stereotypes advanced by certain people are wrong, then.

John Osman's avatar

Tim. I'm regurgitating Nazi propaganda, if anything.

I didn't invent the term Untermenschen and I didn't label Slavs as such.

So unless your claiming that Hitler and Roseberg were Jews, then you're talking out your hoop.

Have you even read Main Kampf?

Tim's avatar

The untermenschen term does not relate to a race, but to a type.

Probably most explicitly, though, to a jewish type - evil to the core.

A bolshevik type, in fact.

As you have read MK, then you will be able to quote something from it in support of your idea.

John Osman's avatar

Where did I say I had read Mein Kampf, I merely asked if you had?

The Untermenschen term very very obviously is used to describe different races, not "types". Your sophistry is pathetic.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

you think Trump's puppet masters like such Europeans and want to protect them? More likely they'd love to exterminate them once and for all

Tim's avatar

The whole thing boils down to who actually are the "Chosen People."

The jews know it isn't them, and so are psychopathically enraged at the real chosenites - ie the Europeans, whose ancestry is clearly shown as originating from the Hebrews who were expelled from Israel by the Babylonians, and again by the Romans in 70 AD.

Noel Ignatiev stated, as do all the rest of them, that white people should be exterminated on that account.

Their Talmud states it explicitly, "Even the best of the Gentiles must be killed, as even the best of snakes must be killed."

My mother had many famous sayings, one of which was "Jealousy again, you see!"

tomo stojanovic's avatar

It remains to be seen what they have been chosen for

Tim's avatar

jews have been chosen for everlasting torment, as shown by Rev 14 verses 9 - 11.

The children of Abraham, and subsequently, the Christians who are of his lineage of faith, have been chosen for everlasting blessing in the very Presence of God.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

the Yugoslavians such as myself were mostly well educated and are currently moving back from JUSSA shithole / Tranny gulag of Canadistan. Bombed Serbia is a far nicer place to be than fascist democidal Canadistan of today and other Orwellian western countries which look and feel more and more like Sudan by the day

Cotra's avatar

> Bombed Serbia is a far nicer place to be

It is also a corrupted and obedient vassal state of the west. Serbia is one of the main suppliers of Ukraine.

Alyosha's avatar

Yet, that is why you advocate constantly here - shock and awe. Appalling AF.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

Yes due to our gvt installed by the west. Still it's a better place because of how people interact and the natural closeness we feel ,how much people love their friends etc. it's a far happier place

People are far less sheeple vaxtard like and value and promote freedom far more than usa Canada, Germany France Sweden etc

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Well, we in Norte Murika highly value the freedumb to be stupid, ignorant & venal.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

...& LOUD, in speech and behaviour.

Feral Finster's avatar

Doesn't matter that your government is installed, unpopular, a puppet, etc.. The orders coming from your government are obeyed.

Seeker's avatar

Well if there is one thing that is front and center in the minds of people living in the middle east. That is the destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria and the economic fallout, displacement and insecurities that were created. The Iranian people are in a no win situation, turn on their government and become a failed state or choose to get all the assistance available to them then face down the hegemon.

The gulf states especially Saudi Arabia will want no part of any action because of their geographic vulnerabilities. So that negates also Bahrain and Qatar. The tiny UAE state basically sitting off Iran's coast are some nasty actors that the other states wouldn't mind being humbled. So the US will have a tough time with geography and distance considering the Chinese and Russians have their fingers crossed that the US military will commit to a Korea in the most unfavourable conditions. The US may have very little support for any ground operations in Iran. They may find themselves in a much worse situation than was faced in Yemen but this time they may not be able to put off the public eye as the Iranians surely will show off any prizes or trophies to the world.

The US is definitely in a bind and they keep doubling down on a bet to intimidate the Iranians. The Iranians are now weary of the exercise and seems willing to have the showdown once and for all. While at the same time the US face a probable military debacle if the Iranians stand their ground or humiliation at exposing the greatest fighting force in all of history may not be all that great.

Feral Finster's avatar

Iran will be turned into a failed state under any circumstances.

Seeker's avatar

How exactly will that be achieved?

Feral Finster's avatar

Same as in Libya, Iraq or Syria., to give some examples

Seeker's avatar

Totally different circumstances and economic options.

Feral Finster's avatar

Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. The Pentagon obviously has a different opinion.

For that matter, so do the Iranians.

Seeker's avatar

You tell yourself what you like to feel better, pentagon opinions are meaningless. The Russians and Chinese have their fingers crossed that the US will commit to military operations. It is not the 1990s. The dollar is dying the US economy is crumbling. The bond market is in tatters as treasuries are no longer a safe haven asset being replaced by gold. The stock market is in an everything bubble and the US needs to refinance 10 trillion in debt in 2026, with an already 2 trillion deficit.

The stupid Iranians should realise by now to abandon the dollar possibly making it illegal within Iran and trade in the currency of their allies.

Jullianne's avatar

This military posturing is a psy-op, not least because certain wannabe presidents know their political careers will be stone cold dead in the water if Trump kicks this off and it goes bad. Iran does not have to win to win, it just has to inflict some lurid damage on the US for there to be domestic US uproar, and it already has a second row of combatants lined up to do just that in addition to direct counter strikes. Trump is trying to gee up a popular uprising in country by posing all locked and ready to fire, off shore. But the heavy lifting has to be done by those disposable not-real people who have already suffered a US betrayal on this score, and will not in any event manage it, as the CIA has told him. The revolutionary guard will not be turned. This is no Venezuela.

Maria Swart's avatar

Finally there is a geopolitical view et bravo, bravo, bravo!

Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

Trump is a turd.

What happened to peace with Russia within 24 hours, now that is 24 years.

Iran is an attempt to soften up China and Russia to then strangle....

Trump wants to bully his way to more billions, he don't even know his ass from the wailing wall...

His idea of peace is start as many wars as he can get away with not being involved in knowing scAmerica will lose them all

Even this shit in Venezuela looks like a loser, although it has Narco Marco salivating for cuban cigars,but Russia and China will put him out of that smoky pipe dream

Jimmy 7's avatar

I would be interested in reading more on the economic story behind the collapse of the Iranian currency. Who , what, how and the players behind.

Jullianne's avatar

It is just the US abusing the reserve currency status of the dollar.... again. It actually did it to Germany causing hyper-inflation and the rise of the Nat Socs back in the day. Some Germans have not forgotten that.

Herman's avatar

Huh ??? Can you elaborate on this, please, or provide a link? Thanks in advance!

Elena's avatar

What various mouthpieces say, including Trump, is that the US "created a dollar shortage." Normally that happens by calling in debts (in dollars) that were perhaps overdue. Could happen by increasing interest rates, too, I guess. When there's a "dollar shortage," the government had to step in and buy dollars with Iranian money. National currencies are like commodities in a way, and when there is a shortage of dollars there's a surplus of Iran's money (they had to print it to buy dollars) - Iran's money goes down in value, pushing up the price of things, especially imports. The people are already poor, and adding dramatic inflation means hunger and riots.

Herman's avatar

Thank you. I didn't know that a similar operation caused the hyper-inflation in Germany and the rise of the National-Socialists.

Elena's avatar

It wasn’t an “operation” that caused the German hyperinflation unless you call the reparations they were forced to pay an operation. Reparations are straightforwardly punitive, whereas what we did in Iran was sneaky. Same effect, maybe, but eventually, when the dollar loses reserve status, the US will face the same tune, and it will just be the natural consequences of deindustrializing and waging war all over the world.

John Osman's avatar

Look, if you invade your neighbour, absolutely devastate the North East of their country, strip it hard for 4 years AND then lose the war, you're going to pay reparations.

The Reparations imposed at Versailles were less punitive than those Imperial Germany imposed in the East, or those they had planned for France if they won.

It's fine the Anglos saying "Ooh that's tough" but they hadn't suffered what France and Belgium suffered.

Giovanni Dall'Orto's avatar

It did not. Payment of war reparations, that sucked all capitals out of Germany, did cause hyper-inflation in the Weimar period.

What caused the rise of Nazism was the mass unemployment after the 1929 stock crash, with the following financial decisions, including *tariffs*.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

Nazi Party Reichstag election vote%: 1928-2.63%, 1930-18.25%, July 1932-37.27%, Nov.1932-33.09%...

grr's avatar

Are you capable of researching for information? Why expect others to spoon feed you?

Herman's avatar

I asked Julianne where she got it from that it was the US government that brought about hyper-inflation in Weimar Germany. I have read a lot about WWII but I never came across this information.

Why do you make this kind of rude remarks? Why do you meddle in a matter that does not concern you? Try to be more positive, please. Thank you!

grr's avatar

They weren’t remarks, hence the question marks.

Literally Mussolini's avatar

Yeah, Julianne already claimed to have the information, so why try to research it from scratch indeed. Why did I have all the math books in school "spoon feed" me math? Couldn't I have just reinvented math myself. grr is obnoxious, to put it politely.

Bendt Obermann's avatar

The German hyper-inflation was a decade prior to the Nazi rise.

HBI's avatar

I was pretty convinced that the hyperinflation in Germany was a direct outcome of Allied unwillingness to negotiate on reparations, and German public opinion being vehemently opposed to any taxation to pay said reparations. When the Allies were ready to make a deal, the hyperinflation was miraculously cured.

Alyosha's avatar
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While "super power" is loud mouthing and bullying Cuba, Iran, Russia and China signed Tripartite pact at the end of January:

"In a dramatic geopolitical development this afternoon, Iran, China and Russia formally signed a comprehensive strategic pact, marking one of the most consequential shifts in 21st-century international relations. While the full text of the agreement is being released in stages by the three governments, state media in Tehran, Beijing and Moscow have acknowledged the ceremony and described it as a cornerstone for a new multipolar order."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260129-iran-china-and-russia-sign-trilateral-strategic-pact/

Rubio should be careful about this neocolonial virtue signaling, just like Biden when he was sending Russia back to the 19th century. ;) Rus explorers, soldiers and missionaries might return to Fort Ross.