As we reach the first week of the Israeli conflict which began on October 7th, Israel prepares its alleged ground invasion into Gaza. There are still many who believe they’re bluffing, many voices on both sides, including Israelis, who say it will be suicide, as the destruction in Gaza has created a landscape that’s ripe for al-Qassam fighters to wage a bloody, attritional guerilla war against the IDF. It’s difficult to evaluate for lack of intimate knowledge of what Hamas actually possesses in terms of stocked materiel. What they claim to have could be exaggerated bluffs, so it’s impossible to know for sure how successful they could be.
"they"? The Palestinians? Or your favourite hate objects the "Moslems"?
Research Abe Saffron, a crime figure that ruled the Sydney underworld for decades. And a certain Jeffrey Epstein. They weren't "Moslems". They belonged to a certain tribe that is known for that behaviour.
You see cherry picking data to suit a point of view is easy.
you really think we're all roll over soy boys? I stalk these cunts as they stalk us. I know where they are. I am hardly unique, and this realisation is endemic in healthy males. Any fucker who thinks they can come here and do as they please, the morgue.
Fire and blood, and all the (actually) entitled immigrants are in for a very sharp shock when things kick off. Fools, they've been had as much as ken, karen and their trans-child.
You know they are politically protected. You cannot touch them. Well, you can, and then you are arrested (because they have room in the prisons for YOU, just not the human traffickers), and they will import 50 more to take his place.
The enemy is within. As long as there are traitors opening the gates to the sieging army amassed at our walls, we have no hope of defending.
Actually Eurocrats and their pro-Jewish agenda might turn their stance on immigration around.
It's all about public perception, given recent events.
If you lash out at them, you'll rally support for them. If you expose them, you'll be dealing much greater damage to them than you could ever do physically.
This is why Tommy Robinson is persona non grata in the UK, because he's exposing the immigrant idiocy.
In his autobiography, written with Roots author Alex Haley and published after his death in 1965, Malcolm X said: “If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” precisely describing how MSM operating this way today.
As Donald Trump attempted to demonstrate with the US - Mexico border, and Israel has demonstrated in other area's of their country, walls do work. Build a wall around Gaza, with no doors.
Yeah fair enough but my question is this" We have genocidal zionists and their useful idiots crawling out of the swamp and disseminating outright lies (beheaded babies) and propaganda that are enabling genocide.
They create the narrative that deaths of military aged occupiers (legitimate targets) are worth more than 2,000 civilians so far, 700 of which are children.
Sounds like you're ready to join up with Hamas. Send us the vids showing you teaching the dirty zionist vermin a lesson!! Seig Heil! Or what does Hamas chant? Hamas Hamas the Jews to the Gas? Tell me this batman: Where are the Jews supposed to live? Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?
The ashkeNAZI are from Ukraine and surrounds. Hebrew Jews, real actual Jews already lived in Palestine. That there shows your US derived ignorance. Ancestral lands LOL
Indeed, it is said that the original Jews living in Palestine converted to Islam when the Muslim hordes spread across the Levant - that would be ironic, wouldn't it - that the Israelis have taken the lands from the progeny of their own ancestors? Of course, I am speaking primarily of the Sephardic Jews who migrated from the Palestinian area to North Africa, then to Spain and Southern Europe. If truth be known, the Ashkenazi Jew who was actually responsible for taking the land in 1948 was of European/Turkic blood - not a drop of Semitic blood in his veins.
Ancestral lands LOL is right. This is the reason the Ukraine is so important to them now, possibly as a refuge. Notice how these particular "Jews" seem to value their lives much more than their commission from God. Real Hebrews would fight to the last bullet but the Khazars will run the instant they realize that war is not a sport they can start and then watch on televitz.
The amusing thing is that those who currently side with Hamas are themselves considered ‘infidels’ to Islamic extremists. Their opinions of ‘AshkeNAZI’ would not save them.
The zionist occupiers of Palestine aren't Jews. Zionism is the negation of Judaism, ask Theodore Herzl. The surviving Palestinians might be more generous than me and content themselves with sending the worst of the zionist criminals against humanity to Nuremberg.
" Where are the Jews supposed to live? Among the nations where they have lived for two thousand years (at least until they are thrown out for misbehaving).
"Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?" - No. Not if they have to steal that land from others.l
Dirkboy, the Jews who did not leave their "ancestral homelands" have every right to continue to live there. Of course, some of them chose to convert to Christianity, and some to Islam. For at least five centuries prior to WW1 Jews, Muslims, Christians, and practitioners of other religions lived in Palestine peacefully with each other.
The Jews who have moved to Palestine since Zionism gained power and adherents, who have never been shy about stating that their goal was/is to remove all the Palestinians from their new state of Israel, do not have any right to live there unless they are willing to give up their goal and practice of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
The state of Israel was founded by Zionist terrorists, and unfortunately their violent take over of the land has never stopped.
Grr - You fight evil by stating your truth calmly and logically, no matter how much propaganda or lies or hatred is spewed out. However hard evil tries to drag you into the pit of hatred and rage, avoid at all costs falling into it to fight it at that level, it poisons the soul..
P.S Thanks for the reminder about that Simplicius.
Yeah great it's pretty sad how they cheer. My laugh comes from the hasbara desperate to make everyone dislike pals more than they are disliked . 110 nations ( pretty much every country in the world at the time kicked them out. When 110 schools kick out your kid do you blame the schools or look to your own behaviour and attitudes.
The Only Real Democracy in the Middle East has just, in order to defend itself, bombed a Gazan hospital killing over 500 people (or is it "subhuman animals"?) taking refuge there thinking that The Chosen Ones would never bomb a hospital - they were wrong - Israel didn't even hesitate.
I just heard that Izrael is recalling the special forces units from Ukraine , because they are needed back home. Very puzzling , what were they doing there on the first place ? there are no Hamas there .
Someone has to keep guns in the backs of Ukrainian conscripts to keep them walking into the meat grinder in the attempt to protect Blackrock's acquisitions in Ukraine and Zelensky and the oligarchs.
That's pretty much the strategy they've been following for the last 15 years. It didn't turn out so good. Walls are only as good as those manning them. Also, it left them with a sore wound and in an impossible position with regard to attempts at normalization with the other countries in the region.
The Israeli Zionist government do not want any normalization. What they want is that the rest of Gentiles / Goyim are bow down to them and serve the Zionist master.
You've slowly been enveloped by the World's Largest Concentration Camp. The Internet, where you have complete freedom to say anything you are allowed to say.
Stupid Americxnt, the problem is your corrupt Zionist lover government who tried to cause havoc and calamity around the world. People like you should be ashamed of being a human and should immediately join the israeli in this war.
The grubby shekel hoarders, the money lenders, are now shamelessly running a campaign asking for donations to buy Level IV ceramic vests for their war criminals.
Oh yeah, the Arabs are all little Red Riding Hoods. Give me a break. Ever tried doing business with an Arab? You'd swear they were not only Jews, but Dutchmen...
What a sweetheart you are. Racist? "Shekel hoarders"? I think you need to look in a mirror bro. And, do be a chap and stick to those rules Simplicius mentioned, will you?
Av, a customer of mine and eventually a friend, would chisel, whine and squirm until he thought he squeezed the last nickel out of a deal. I, a non-believer, just grinned every time as he walked away with the nickels and I walked away with the $ thousands.
He had a tremendous sense of humor. "How do you say F -you in Yiddish?"
A natural consequence of mocking God. (Even though I’m an atheist)
Opening statement of Netanyahu’s speech at the UN September 22nd 2023.
“Over three millennia ago, our great leader Moses addressed the people of Israel as they were about to enter the Promised Land. He said they would find there two mountains facing one another: Mount Gerizim, the site on which a great blessing would be proclaimed, and Mount Ebal, the site of a great curse. Moses said the people’s fate would be determined by the choice they made between the blessing and the curse.”
"That same choice has echoed down the ages not just for the people of Israel but for all humanity.
We face such a choice today. It will determine whether we enjoy the blessings of a historic peace of boundless prosperity and hope or suffer the curse of a horrific war, of terrorism and despair".
If Netanyahu in all his stupidity wants to hold up a map of Israel at the UN showing the state of Palestine no longer exists when Israel broke the covenant with God then “God” in all his wisdom is going to say Mount Ebal it is!
Who said God doesn’t have a sense of Humor, seriously you cant make this shit up.
There never was and never will be a state of Palestine. The name comes from Roman times and was ascribed to the Philistines. Check your history and you will find that it was the Muslims who invaded the Holy Land and built a Mosque over the Jewish Temple. Hamas has demonstrated that Israel will never again accept a Muslim Brotherhood run state on its borders.
You are so confused, and, given your icon, a fan of a mass murdering communist, the late Che Guevara. It was the Nazis who exterminated 6 million Jews and countless other undesirables. Guess you are a fan of the Nazis. So are Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. They want to carry on exterminating Jews. Except, the Jews learned to fight back and they have the thermonuclear weapons to prove it if push comes to shove. If the Mad Mullahs of Iran actually try to launch fission weapons against the Jews, they will find fusion works a thousand times better.
To corroborate: the 6 million figure is prophetical and was announced many times in the NYT from as early as the 1860s. It's the basis for the whole issue around the holocaust, as that number is still the core of the claim on which the concept and notion of the holocaust is based.
Most people are not aware that the official memorial plaque in Auschwitz was changed in the early 1990s (fall of the USSR - very crucial for the holocaust, as all the claims of "extermination camps" and "gas chambers" had been backtracked and dropped for all camps liberated by the Western allied forces, making all of the horror disappear behind the Iron Curtain) from 4 million killed to 1.5 million killed. That's an immense difference, and made 2.5 of the 6 million suddenly vanish into thin air.
But the 6 million figure was not adjusted together with the Auschwitz figure. How? Why?
That cannot be, since the first tabulation of the holocaust after WWII was 4.5 million. It worked its way up to 5.1, then 5.5m and now 6.1 as new records (records, you know actual evidence of events) are found.
See it happen in front of your eyes Pat. This whole crisis will inevitably result in the establishment of the independent state of Palestine, the only question is the size.
Don't cry too much, and please don't become depressed or filled with hate.
But justice will be done. From the river to the sea! :-D
Maybe, but, so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state. The state they want is from the river to the sea with every Jew in the way massacred. They demonstrated their bloodlust last Saturday. Guess what? The people who survived the Nazi Holocaust, the people who won all the wars launched against them by the combined Arab nations will not be beaten. Palestinian terrorists have suicide vests; Israel has hydrogen bombs.
Well, there's really no point in arguing here, unless we take this back to the most basics notions. What are facts? What are our opinions based upon?
You see, I'm convinced that 99% of the all people will agree with what is right and what is wrong, IF THEY ARE GIVEN THE SAME DATASET OF FACTS.
The point is: we're not only not given all the facts, we're given extremely false datasets with mostly lies and hardly any fact that matters. That's why we need to unfortunately do our own research and try to find the facts by ourselves. That is -- if we even have the WISH to find facts, and are even able to perceive that we don't get the facts but are emotionally hoarded like sheep to have strong beliefs and clash with each other over them.
The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?
What are the facts that make you say that the Palestinians want to massacre every Jew in Israel? I cannot for the life of me imagine such idiocy, but somehow the contrary is stated regularly by Israeli officials and their ideological mouth-frotheners: "Kill them all" is being heard quite a lot recently, as if it were a rational statement instead of a call for actual genocide. Can we then assume that your statement is a projection of a hyper-emotional and primal reaction to the newsfeeds you consume?
Perhaps provide your source for this: “The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?”
"so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state."
Primarily because every deal offered was not an offer of a sovereign statehood. For example, all such propositions contained the proviso that the new state of Palestine could not raise its own military. If a country does not have the right to raise its own military, it is not a sovereign country by any definition. So of course the Palestinians would never agree.
I understand the Israeli point of view. Allowing such a Palestinian state would presage the end of Israel, but I don't think that can be helped now, so...
This is why wars happen. To arbitrate such issues.
Agreed. No matter the state solution to the problem, the Palestinian would always be looking over the fence with intense hatred and declaring, "That is my land - you stole it!".
The forced removal of West Bank Palestinians from their homes, the bulldozing by Caterpillar excavators and bulldozers, the building of new housing for "Settlers" is not a provocation?
The uninvited march through the al-Aqsa Mosque and the proposed demolishment of the Mosque, is not a provocation?
One of the sadder aspects of this crap is the historical accounts of nearly identical "kill the pregnant jewess for a two-fer" sentiments recorded from European pogroms. They were using pitchforks & such that time around, not rifles.
Humanity is all one family under the skin and family feuds are the worst.
Not sure if you were replying to me, but in case you did: yes, the state of Palestine is de iure existing and recognised, but de facto it's nowhere to be found. If it had been, it would be able to have its own army, as Simplicius so aptly pointed out in the article we're commenting on :-D
Actually, until 1948 there was no country called Israel either. Indeed the original land of Israel passed out of existence in 722 bc when it was taken over by the Assyrians. Further that land was not located where it is today. Israel of today is more closely aligned with the Judea during Roman times. But since God promised the land to Israel and not Judea, it would have been uncomfortable for the Zionists to call their new country Judea even though Israel never existed there. Indeed, it could well be said that there remain no more Israelites at all since after the Assyrian conquest, they were absorbed into the general population.
So in summary, the Zionists not only stole Palestinian land, they also stole the name of "Israel" and claimed they were the people of Israel.
The issue does’t start in 1940. Look up the Ottoman Empire, the Sykes Picot Agreement, etc. If you want to blame anyone regarding unrest in this area, blame the British
Please read what I wrote. I am not assigning blame to anyone. I am merely informing you as to the situation in the Middle East near the beginning of WWII, well after breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Jordan did not exist except as a partition of Palestine at the time. Palestine was never a part of Jordan - only the West Bank was - and that was given over to the Palestinians later.
"There never was and never will be a state of Palestine"
The same weak logic would conclude there never was an historical State of Israel. Just a temporary name between periods of Colonization by greater Powers.
From Rome, to the Ottomans, now an American Colony, whose lifespan depends entirely on the survival of the U.S. Deep State.
Investing in friends and compromise was and is a difficult option.
Hadrian renamed judea to palestine. Because he disliked the judah tribes rebelling. So he named their province after their ancient enemies the philistines. Now the people of palestine dna direct back to jeshua s days, are now facing invaders aka philistines.
The name fully formed first appears in Herodotus. 5th century BC, though Egyptian and Assyrian terms that are similar are found as far back as 1150BC in inscriptions. Judea was the name of the client kingdom (under the Seleucids) established by the Hasmoneans in 140BC. They gained more autonomy until conquered by Pompey in 63BC and reorganized as a Roman client kingdom. Shortly thereafter, Herod usurped the kingdom from the Hasmoneans. After its conversion to a Roman province in 6AD, the name "Judea" was preservedl. Well, until Hadrian decided to go with the older Egyptian/Assyrian/Greek-derived name in 132, after YA Jewish revolt, the third significant one in say, 70 years. Hence the diaspora.
As a former US Army combat arms soldier, enlisted and later commissioned, from what I've seen I'd say Hamas is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs. Given how small the area is professional Israeli forces can absolutely secure control and destroy Hamas. Doing so will of course take time and come with costs. However after what those deranged barbarians did to a great many defenseless Israeli civilians, and many children, we are about to find out how this ends. Israel has no choice but to terminate Hamas.
I'll add (after initial comment) I of course hate seeing innocent Palestinian lives destroyed but recognize the harm results fundamentally from Hamas now using them as human shields. Hamas brings nothing but death and misery to everyone. I hope once Hamas has been destroyed Palestinians in Gaza can find a path to peace with their neighbors.
And your opinion, stated civilly and intelligently, is both welcome and allowed. On the "other side", interestingly enough, that would not be the case. Funny how that works, huh?
It's interesting how everyone has a narrative of "deranged HAMAS barbarians attacking poor Israeli civilians" totally ignore one more far frightening point - Israel has spent decades suppressing and attacking the Palestinians. This action by HAMAS is as much as a provocation as much as it is a "lashing out" at their tormentors.
Hamas just demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history. You cannot hope for peace with deranged barbarians and there is clearly no excuse or rationalization which justifies their blood lust and savagery. While a relatively small number of noisy protesters are embracing Hamas' killings, likely due to political prejudice, the rest of the world views them as the hateful monsters they just proved they are, no doubt.
Give your fairy tales a rest. Your ignorance is glaring, but understandable considering where you from. with massive brainwashing and a low education base.
The jews do not want peace and never will. Their greed, their love of power will be their downfall.
I agree with you. We can discuss about the root causes why Palestinians in Gaza are so radicalised but radicalised they are to the level of complete fundamentalism. The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc. Israelis have no choice but to defend event though they are undoubtedly to be blamed for this situation
For the Israeli's, it's the same: "The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc." (Maybe the Israeli population growth is not extreme in all segments of society.)
Actually, I think Hamas has shown both acute cunning and extraordinary intelligence in its plan (which is still developing as we speak). And BTW they were under strict orders not to harm civilians. So if that happened, and I am not yet convinced it did, it was done by Hamas soldiers disobeying their orders.
If Israeli soldiers enter Gaza in force, they will most likely incur huge losses as Hamas is waiting for them with their own plans. And such an invasion would likely bring new forces into the battle - Hezbollah, for starters.
My problem, as always, is in the propaganda and censorship apparatus of the Jewish state. At this point, it's being pretty equally applied back here in the US as well. We have no clue what is happening there, and generally never do. Stories that do not serve Israeli national interests are not generated from within its borders. Or even a bit outside - judging by that Reuters story "killed by fire from the direction of Israel..."
Hubris and lies: "Hamas just demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history" ( a few hundred, mainly military, dead is nowhere near a mass slaughter).
Whereas the ashkeNAZI demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history decades ago and repeated it roughly every decade thereafter.
The zionists are not even real Jews from 12 tribes but are the same people as the Ukrainian Nazis from same exact region and they were forced to pick a Abrahamic religion in the 7th century or else by the emperor. Many chose Judism which was closest to pegan religion they were following at the time. They screwed things up and got on shit list with everyone else thus need for Israel. All these white ashkeNAZI "jews" were purged from the region or worse.
Everything you wrote, except from the last sentence, is equally true for the Israeli side of the equation. And the Zionists were the first ones to engage in terrorist activities in order to establish this state and to steal the land from its owners, wether you call them Palestinians or Arabs. On a side note, so called settlers who continued the land theft can hardly be called innocents, and if they brought families with them they are hiding behind non combatants as well.
We can thank our political elites and their Immigration and Political policies that brand anyone criticizing the wisdom of bring these people in as racists / bigots.
Hamas would have been much more successful at getting their message out to the world audience if they had acted with more restraint. Prison revolt/escape or whatever people choose to call it is fine. But when you start mass murdering civilians then this is no longer a correct description.
What remains is to see how far Hamas went in senseless bloodlust. Currently, information is heavily being propagandized. I think what we know now with enough certainly shows that what Hamas did was way beyond the pale. But it'll be a long time before the lies and propaganda can be sorted out.
"you too, are considered an infidel, and would not be spared by Islamic extremists."
I'm considered an infidel and would not be spared by neopagans/"aryans" living in compounds around Oregon, Washington and Idaho, as well as a bunch hanging out in New Jersey, Indiana, Norway, Sweden, Finland and the Baltics. What of it?
The controlling and speech suppressing actions of the globalist west are not the fault of Israel. Indeed in the U.K. we natives, here for 10,000 years, are so stymied that we can’t even propose any pale males for important jobs.
The fact is that the Jews have been in ‘the promised land’ for millennia. ‘Palestinians’ have many homelands - Syria is more than half ‘Palestinian’ I believe.
The underlying objective of the whole Moslem world is to wipe Jew and gentile off the face of the earth. They state it openly and repeatedly. President Putin, a gentile, should consider that point.
BTW the ‘First Minister of Scotland’s wife is from Gaza’. Seems these Palestinians have no problem finding lands to which to go - the whole of Europe is available to them ….
I have good friends who are Muslim and I know they have no desire to harm anyone for differing views so I'll disagree when you say the "whole Muslim world". However I understand your point when it comes to radical, intolerant, hateful Muslims. And I'll add they also want to destroy those of us who hold no religious views even though we are accepting of any peaceful person's views.
The big problem is that Islam does not accept apostates. So in asking those with no religious views to identify themselves, you are literally telling them to put their lives on the line. A shopkeeper in Birmingham wished somebody a Happy Easter and was killed by Islamist who considered him an apostate.
It is interesting and tragic that Islam spawns so many hateful, intolerant and violent believers. I'd just stay away from them if possible, as with any such people no matter their motive.
It’s common knowledge. Or should be. They kill apostates, that’s how they terrorise their own people. Look up ‘cutting of of noses in islam’ and you will see why the women are covered - to hide the abuse.
Im in the UK in Northern England. The lies & propaganda in our media against the Palestinians is disgusting. The Pro Israeli media isn't a surprise considering, it's Jews who run or own every big media outfit. It results in any given crime by a Muslim, getting a lot more publicity & everything that goes with it. Than any other race, do much do as in America the largest race of people in prison are black. In the UK they're Muslim. Of course there are some extremist vile Muslim people. Just as there is with every race in this country. Everything thst is wrong with Britain isn't the Muslims fault. We've had the same political party for the past 14 years. You'd expect by now they'd have implimented their plans for our country. If they have they're not working, by the way it's our leaders who are encouraging this mass immigration & no one else. Despite their lies, they love seeing the numbers of immigrants walking or travelling through 4 or 5 EU countries. Then crossing the channel to come here. All males no females, decide to go through all of those EU countries to come here. Why would that be unless they'd had an invite. This country is exactly the way the politicians want it to be. The top end get richer & richer & pull any strings they want. The rest of us can suffer & say nothing.
I’m in northern England. The army arriving is for a purpose certainly. The UN only acknowledges Moslems can be ‘asylum seekers’. Our idiot politicians, many of them not British, have no genetic interest in the British nation’s survival.
"The fact is that the Jews have been in ‘the promised land’ for millennia. ‘Palestinians’ have many homelands - Syria is more than half ‘Palestinian’ I believe."
Excuse me? SOME Jews have been in the 'promised land' for millennia. You completely ignored the huge Jewish diaspora located primarily in Western lands and among whom the Zionists rose and also control most of the media which has been suppressing free speech. They also, using the tool of 'anti-semitism' and the idea of the so-called Holocaust, have exercised inordinate political power to influence the definition of 'anti-semitism' itself along with 'hate' speech, along with 'thought crimes'. All of which can be summarised in the saying "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize".
There is a British diaspora, that does not negate the fact that we have occupied these islands for 10,000 years at least (when the channel flooded and we were caught).
As far as I know, Syria became a huge refugee nation for Palestinians AFTER THE NAKBA, and since that attempt to ethnically cleanse Palestine, yes, most of the Palestinians were literally driven into other lands, and thus there are several countries with a high Palestinian population. But that's only since 1948.
On the other hand, Israel's population is mostly flown-in from all over the world since that same year, and a huge percentage has dual citizenship as far as I know.
You propose that having been driven from your homeland and having no place on earth to call your own is an advantage 😂🤣? Well what a relief because hats left of the white population will have to squat in othe r people’s lands and pray every night that they are allowed to live another day, sooner rather than later.
I think your view is not wrong. However, I'd ask you to look into how or why Hamas was created. And, what sort of conditions do people have to suffer where they elect (yes - ELECT) Hamas as a government.
The fundamental difference in the viewpoints here, is those that see Hamas's attack as an action, or those who see it as a reaction. Across the global South, most see the attack with a "well what did you expect", whereas in most of the western world its an unprovoked, shocking, surprise terrorist attack
As a parting word - I can think of worse things in this world than to be born to a mother in the Gaza strip. But not many.
I watched a number of the videos, which are among the most horrifying attacks I've ever seen. Those mentally disturbed monsters were clearly enjoying the bloodshed (at times literally smiling), I suspect because it made them feel powerful. Mentally healthy human beings have trouble understanding their evil because we don't suffer from their sickness. And don't think for a minute they care about innocent Palestinians either, abusive psychopaths like those composing Hamas couldn't be more self centered and remorseless. If they did care they wouldn't use Palestinian civilians as human shields to try and avoid the inevitable consequences of their targeting and slaughtering helpless civilians.
BTW, I served as a professional soldier and I think it fair to say most of us did our job in large part to serve as protectors of the innocent and defenseless. Once you've been trained and equipped to employ violence in an organized and professional fashion you come to understand that responsibility. You can be sure professional Israeli soldiers are going to be highly motivated as they destroy those sick, hateful thugs. No doubt some Israeli soldiers knew innocent civilians, including many children and young people, who were targeted and slain. The targeted slaughter of children certainly sealed Hamas' fate. No attempted excuse or rationalization is going to save those sick killers. At this point it doesn't matter why they are mentally ill.
How many civilians did the US and its vassals kill in Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan, Serbia?
Presumably you, as a "professional soldier" with a conscience, refused any orders that would involve killing civilians, but clearly huge numbers of your fellows did not -- just as large numbers of Israelis have happily participated in genocide against civilian Palestinians for 70+ years.
Like Putin and Israel, (and Britain in the Boer War) you try to clear the battlefield of civilians by asking them to evacuate. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink!
If Hamas were actually composed of capable, brave fighters they'd go fight the Israelis in the open desert where no innocent people would be harmed. Instead they hide behind Palestinian women and children to try and avoid consequences for their horrific ethnic slaughter, which clearly isn't going to work this time. Hamas brings death and misery to everyone.
Exactly like the boers who fought the first guerrilla war - took Britain by surprise but when we worked out the new rules we ‘concentrated Boer women and children in camps’ to keep them safe and off the battlefield. We were 6,000 miles from home.
The death and misery is the point. Clausewitz might have been repulsed but would have understood it as "politics by other means".
My dad was an insurance claims guy, did a lot of lit. His thing was "claims don't go away". You pay them now or pay more later. Very close analogy to this situation.
Ah, good old Britain and the Boer War, where it invented the concentration camp to hold the Boers whom Britain had forced off the Boer's land -- and then killed huge numbers through starvation and disease and abuse in those concentration camps.
To be fair, I really shouldn't take all credit for the invention from the US, which had previously done the same thing to the American Indians and used the concentration camps (aka "reservations") to exterminate many of those Indians.
Not to be surpassed, the Jews created the Gaza Strip as the largest modern concentration camp to hold the Palestinians whom they forced off the Palestinians land, to give them the same genocidal treatment as the US gave the Indians and the Brits gave the Boers. Of course not all Palestinians got that treatment -- the Jews invading Palestine rounded up a lot of the men and simply shot them out of hand.
So wrong. The boxes clim to this day that the British ground glass and fed it to their women. In fact they had dysentery - if we had wanted to kill them we could have just shot them. But that does not align to your anti-white dehumanising agenda.
They are surrounded by Moslem states who support them. They could have been taken to safety by sea and via Egypt. Why do the ‘supporters of Palestinians’ refuse them asylum? For the pictures of their distress? Just yo give you an indication of the inhumanity of Hamas etc.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Are civilian lives destroyed in all wars? Of course, and that is one of the reasons war should be avoided if at all possible. However in professional military forces laws and the ROE are enforced in an attempt to minimize so called "collateral damage" and war crimes. Hamas' targeted slaughter of defenseless civilians is obviously the act of hateful mentally disturbed monsters, not professional military forces, and they are now going to be destroyed as consequence. Israelis are doing every innocent soul on our planet a service by ending that evil, not that more won't sprout up eventually, tragically.
I will note DC's actions and behavior are a huge problem for both the American people and the world. Nothing I say is an attempt to support anything DC does anymore.
You should be careful of your assumptions about others. I served in Vietnam, though not with US. So, I do have a few clues about war.
I understand about civilian lives lost in wars, but made the point that the US has killed millions of civilians in wars which the US chose to start in Iraq, Lybia, Serbia, Syria and Afghanistan. And the killing of civilians was done by "professional" US soldiers, airmen, sailors and drone jockeys sitting in the US.
None of those countries posed any material threat to the US. Afghanistan was a short-term legitimate target immediately after 911 when the Taliban refused to surrender Bin Laden, and (assuming the conventional story of 911 is true) that would have justified a retaliatory strike against the Taliban government -- but not a 20 year occupation killing wedding parties in pursuit of continual profits for the MIC.
I am sure that it feels no less thuggish to a civilian whether they and their family are killed or maimed by someone you regard as a thug or they are killed or maimed by a "professional soldier" pulling the trigger as the behest of some thuggish politician or bureaucrat.
I was talking about ops, in my experience, at the platoon level. If you want to talk about how destructive DC's policies have been across the globe you'll get no argument from me. I'm horrified by DC's behavior, which is in fact utterly unlawful more often than not. And now self serving criminal authoritarians installed themselves in the Executive Branch during the last "election", which of course became perfectly evident the minute vote counting stopped in states which were about to determine the election. DC is utterly toxic both for the American people and world. I'm presently working to leave the country because of it. Obviously I'd have nothing to do with the US military today, and I now advise young people to avoid any involvement with the US military.
Cruising Economist: "Hamas' targeted slaughter of defenseless civilians is obviously the act of hateful mentally disturbed monsters, not professional military forces ..."
Where is your evidence that Hamas engaged in a targeted slaughter of defenseless citizens? I can summarize my entire experience of the Viet Nam War (27 months plus one day) as: When you find yourself part of an invading force in a foreign land fighting patriots, it's time for a reality check on your world view.
My reality check led me to a career as a lawyer. Law, with its emphasis on evidence, was just what I needed. I believe wholeheartedly that your strong opinions are in drastic need of evidence and failing to find it, you should change your opinions.
We can also add the USS Maine, Lusitania, and Gulf of Tonkin to your list of false flags which served as the casus belli for all Banker's Wars raging for over a century. Technically, we can go back as far as our so called "Civil War" which could be more accurately described as the War of Northern Imperialism.
Seeing as how all of those wars were sold to the American public based on pure fabrications, it is even more enraging and tragic.
In the case of engineered collapse of Libya, it might've been a suicidal case of unintentionally setting off the destruction of the West. Or deliberate.
For decades, it was solely because of Qaddaffi's policies which prevented millions of sub-Saharan Africans from fleeing the endless cycle of coups, civil wars and regional conflicts engineered by the Blob in Washington and overrunning Europe.
It was also Libya's grand strategy of creating a new currency backed by Gold and the aspirations of forging a Pan-African Federation which would have brought economic prosperity to Africa which got Qaddaffi targeted for regime change and assassination by the Cabal behind Obama and Clinton.
This latest round of warmongering against the Russian, Chinese, Arab and Persian and West African nations will signal the eschaton of the Zio-Anglo-American Empire.
Let's hope that Christ will return before the Dajjal - the Antichrist - causes this worldwide conflict from erupting into nuclear warfare.
At that was German Europe attacking Serbia! The RAF was in the air with the Luftwaffe bombing our anti-Nazi wartime allies. Proof of it were needed that the U.K. did not exist at all for nearly 50 years and resurgent Germany and it’s traditional values, was calling the shots. Germany also unilaterally and gains EU law recognized its wartime ally Croatia, that ethnically pure country where the football players form the swastika on the terraces to this day.
" I served as a professional soldier and I think it fair to say most of us did our job in large part to serve as protectors of the innocent and defenseless. Once you've been trained and equipped to employ violence in an organized and professional fashion you come to understand that responsibility. "
That's B.S. We killed nearly 3.5 million civilians in Viet Nam, around a million in Iraq.
Definitely never happened in Iraq, Afghanistan or Vietnam.. Native American? Endless footage to suggest otherwise in all our recent conflicts: Bombing weddings, AC130 cutting down kids in the street, targeted assassination ? Sponsoring the Contras or the host of people just like this all across South America and the world. The magnatue of your hypocrisy is staggering. We do this all the time, but when someone does it to us 🫨🫨🫨🫨🫨
"BTW, I served as a professional soldier and I think it fair to say most of us did our job in large part to serve as protectors of the innocent and defenseless. "
With reference to "Cruising Economists" virtually everything stated so far has been made up, I assume that includes claims to be ex military. With "Lynn", a great deal is also "contra factual", the flavor is slightly different though- His claim to be a Zululand?! expat is interesting.
I note that the signal to noise ratio in Simplicius comment section changed DRASTICALLY once he started writing about the recent events in (geographical area near Egypt, Syria & Lebanon, insert your preferred name here).
As the comment section was previously quite educational, I suspect the degraded signal here is not accidental.
And you believe every video coming from Israeli and western propaganda outlets? Must be true just like every video showing cruelty by Assad and Putin, right?
Have you tried to find and see videos of atrocities, abuse and incessant human right violations by Israeli forces and settlers? May be try to hear from those jews who speak against policies of Israel since others can be simply blamed to be antisemitic. Normal Finklestein has written many books, Max Blumenthal has covered Gaza before, there's a channel called Due Dissonance, Gabor Mate has spoken too and there are plenty others.
From what I've seen I'd say the disgraceful Zionist Occupying military & the US military is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs
You are clearly profoundly prejudiced and ignorant of the reality of professional military forces. While I won't defend DC's behavior, which is increasingly reprehensible both domestically and overseas, US soldiers are (or at least were when I was serving) highly disciplined and professional. Sick thugs like those composing Hamas seldom make it past initial entry examination and if they do they are quickly identified and eliminated from the service, in my experience. Once operating with their regular unit soldiers are prevented from acting outside the law and ROE by leadership, both commissioned officers and NCO's; though that is seldom necessary since they are trained and disciplined. I have no doubt this is true of Israel's military forces. So while you are free to spout your nonsense understand all you do is expose your lack of experience, ignorance of reality and mindless prejudice when you do.
Doesn't matter whether an individual is a sick thug themselves or they simply comply with the orders of a sick thug. The indisputable fact is that since WWII, the US has imposed more sick thuggery on civilians than any other country. Indeed no one else comes close.
Oh I don’t know. Stalin did a fine job and the Chinese have a few stories to tell - all post WWII. You also need to remember that the USA and Europe have been hijacked by the recycled Nazis - it was 3rd Reich NAZIs who founded the EU for instance. So the Anglo Saxon world was defeated by its own kindness. We have the NAZIs another chance having got rid of the head of the snake. And thus we have Nuland and Freeland and Schwarb …..
Leaving aside the fact that Anglo Saxons have not been in control of Britain since 1066, what is today referred to as the Anglo Saxon world was hijacked but not by the WWII Nazis. It was hijacked by those with the money, the controllers of banks (see the banks which own the FRB and the City of London, and their correspondents throughout Europe). Nuland is but one of that tribe, as are most of the principal players in Biden's administration, and of course the whole of the Israeli government.
As you say, the West took Nazis into the fold after WWII, seeking their knowledge of the Soviets, their intelligence networks, rocketry, etc and those people no doubt provided self-serving information to their new masters. But they did not generally gain broad power, though Canada may be a bit of an odd case. The masters of banking and finance don't surrender that to anyone else.
Please realize that Hamas fighters are some of those 8 year old children, born in the concentration camp called Gaza, back in 2014, staring down an Israeli tank and throwing a rock at it. That should garner some respect from any real soldier.
Those 8 year old kids are today's Hamas fighters, slaves of Israhell, who have just busted out of the concentration camp. Inmate rebellions are as violent as the oppression was severe.
You're full of absolutely shit. "Profesional soldiers" my ass. I was with 2/75...I trained leg infantry soldiers all over the country. Your "Profesional soldier" b.s. has to stop. You mother effers were a bunch of undisciplined, drunk, slobs, with a basic understanding of warfare, shooting, and history...high school g.e.d.s were standard.
My understanding is a lot of good people are dropping their packets and getting out, and recruitment (of healthy patriotic white males) are way down due to former military telling their kids not to join.
Nope, Israeli and US military are pretty much made up of typical young men inexperienced enough to think they're immortal, plus senior NCOs who stayed for whatever reasons. And an officer corps who play politics above the entry level, because that's what they have to do.
Unit cohesion is primarily composed of not wanting to be shamed in front of your friends. It's not a logical thought process and certainly has little to no hate involved.
Once you're there, it's about your squad mates, not whatever horse shit the politicians are going on about that week.
All my uncles and grandparents served, none were drafted, I've heard their take on service. (I ended up 4F with a spinal fusion the month I graduated highschool).
Despite his going in @ 17 YO (WWII) the first thing I remember my dad saying after I was out of surgery and awake was, "thank god, you can't ever be drafted now". After WWII and being grabbed back from the reserves for Korea, I figure he knew what was what.
My stepfather who had gone in at 17 in Korea discouraged me vigorously from enlisting in 1990 and wasn't too thrilled about my decision to go to Iraq in 2007. I suppose the experience wasn't so great for him. Lots of shots of him climbing poles and shimmying on wires across rivers (Signal).
I recall one of my acquaintances from home town who went into the signal corps telling me his combat life expectancy was less than 15 minutes ca. 1980.
Cruising Economist: "... after what those deranged barbarians did to a great many defenseless Israeli civilians, and many children ..."
This is from a U.S. Army combat vet with five tours in the Viet Nam War. You would do well to recognize that truth is the first casualty in any war. Here's a cure for your severe case of barbarianitis, courtesy of a mideast scholar: hXXps://www.palestinechronicle.com/israels-license-to-kill-genocidal-campaign-has-been-unleashed-in-gaza/
Hamas' explanation of how civilians were killed rings true to me. hXXps://www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-this-is-why-israeli-civilians-were-killed-in-the-war/
I don't agree with your opinion simply because I know who created Hamas & why Hamas was crested. Which is a glaringly obvious thing you've left out of your comments. I haven't seen anything more barbaric than the attack upon the civilians, who were on the route out of Northern Gaza at the advice of the Israeli gov either. The list goes on & on. Who's fault was it before Hamas was created? On the Ukraine conflict, I'm aware of the fortifications in & around Adveeka. But I feel the Russians have been brilliant in adjusting the way theyre fighting, as they've came up against different problems. We've got to keep reminding ourselves. The Russians are fighting every single top military officer in NATO. As it's their planning their ideas & their help the Ukrainians have been getting this whole conflict. It's also a fact that many of the best special forces personnel of the NATO countries are inside of Ukraine fighting against the Russians. The Russians have adapted to problems really quickly. Which I'm sure has totally shocked the NATO commanders & their obvious arrogance of superiority. All of this means to me, they've got a plan to destroy the men inside the place taking as little casualties as possible. They're going to shell the place 24/7 for weeks. They'll encircle the place cutting off those all important winter supplies getting through. Totally demoralize the men inside of Adveeka.
Why do you feel the need to even introduce yourself as “US Army combat arms soldier”? You think that brings legitimacy to your opinion? The only image of US military since Vietnam is that of a bunch of self aggrandizing, self-overestimating, pompous, arrogant, yet useless losers who are only good at killing civilians by overwhelming force, but then getting defeated, humiliated, and outsmarted by Vietnamese peasants in rice paddies, Afghan tribesmen with kalashnikovs, and hastily assembled Iraqi militiamen. And since WWII, all the US military has done even against lightly armed foes and rebels like these has been to run away while soiling their pants and carrying their PTSD back to the safety of their homes far far and oceans away from the battles, though still burdening the taxpayers with the trillions in costs of the lost wars their government imposed on them. And don’t fool yourself into thinking the IDF is going to fare any better than the delusional brainwashed US military.
I understand the animus against the individual soldiers, but it's not deserved. They are decent soldiers. Being used incorrectly wasn't their fault, certainly. In addition, being made to fight for bad causes is not going to show any armed force at its best. Poor screening for mental toughness has been a problem my entire life re: pants shitting. I never shat in Iraq. I didn't want to be fighting that war for that reason, but no shitting.
All militaries have within their code that one may disobey an illegal or immoral order.
You, and the others, could have said no. Many did say no, and were villified and even placed in prison. But cowards go with the flow. And then spend the rest of their lives attempting to shroud their cowardice in bullshit; I did it for my country, I was helping the oppressed and other lies.
"All militaries have within their code that one may disobey an illegal or immoral order."
apparently not with US Soldiers, they go in young, the gung-ho ready to kill anyone who threatens the motherland, even those sandals warriors live in far back mountain of Afghanistan who barely had idea what is United States... Then they go old, thinking about all those unfortunates who been killed as collateral damage. And that's how you should talk to them. They want it tough, well, they'd better prepared themselves for the brace. Once, US government is down, civil war breaks out and people will start to kill each other.
You're allowed to refuse to obey unlawful orders, ones that violate UCMJ or one of the conventions the US agreed to. So, if one were ordered to kill a child, that would be refusable. It would have not so pleasant consequences for those who did it, but it's doable.
The most significant instances where individual action was possible were not unlawful orders. For instance: it was a policy in the area I was in to implode abandoned dwellings. The idea was that they could be used as bases to perform insurgent attacks. Now, mostly these homes were abandoned because of the fighting by people who had no interest in warfare. Our destruction of their home was adding insult to injury in most cases. But it wasn't an unlawful order and refusing to carry it out would involve a long stretch in prison at the least.
Not liking the politics of your country doesn't have a cure unless you want to expatriate or claim conscientious objector status, which is hard if you aren't a pacifist in the US. I'm not.
In the case of the USA being ordered to go to an illegal war is an order that can be refused. Just participating, not killing or destructing (maybe a radio operator) classes one as a war criminal. No excuses.
But as stated earlier cowards go along to get along.
A low level grunt that viewed a war from a trench, then espousing on all things military is laughably the same as a janitor at Boeing educating us in aeronautical engineering.
And then decades later these same cowardly losers whine about their lives and set up sausage sizzles to raise money for themselves. Their victims are forgotten.
Always make that point to them whenever I see that sad spectacle.
"As a former US Army combat arms soldier, enlisted and later commissioned, from what I've seen I'd say Hamas is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs."
SOUNDS like the description of US Army, NATO, ISIS, IDF, Al-Qaeda, as far as AFU to me.... ahhh they were all trained by our beloved friends at CIA...
Well considering that it's now confirmed fact that Hamas was not only created by Israel but is actively funded by them to this day, it's an interesting proposition.
Israel thought Hamas would be a counterbalance to the PLO on the West Bank. They tolerated the attacks from Gaza as they tolerated attacks from the West Bank. To paraphrase my favorite movie line, "They chose poorly".
Mandela created a force and taught it to fund itself by hijacking vehicles carrying cash to banks. When he became President, he told them they could stop robbing banks - but they never did … Mandela pulled the levers of power - and nothing happened.
Strange, isn't it. The US and Israel created the monster that is the Palestinian branch of Hamas, yet the cynical politicians like Bibi who did this are some how champions of democracy and freedom. They have a right to defend themselves against their monster.
I don't think you could get a cigarette paper between the Mustache Man and Bibi which is just a little ironic considering that if the Mustache Man never existed either would Israel and thank God, Bibi could never have been its Prime Minister.
I disagree Yosef. The two-state solution blinks past the Palestinian right of return to their homes, which under the 4th Geneva Convention is inalienable. The two-state solution also blinks past the fact that all Palestinian residents since the British Trust Territory of Palestine was established (not just a Jewish subset) have the right of self-determination of their form of government.
"States have consistently emphasized that respect for the territorial integrity of a non-self-governing territory is a key element of the exercise of the right to self-determination under international law. The Court considers that the peoples of non-self-governing territories are entitled to exercise their right to self-determination in relation to their territory as a whole, the integrity of which must be respected by the administering Power. It follows that any detachment by the administering Power of part of a non-self-governing territory, unless based on the freely expressed and genuine will of the people of the territory concerned, is contrary to the right to self-determination."
Legal Consequences of the Separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius in 1965, International Court of Justice (25 February 2019), pg. 38, https://www.icj-cij.org/files/case-related/169/169-20190225-01-00-EN.pdf; see also V. Gudeleviciute, Does the Principle of Self-Determination Prevail over the Principle of Territorial Integrity?, 2:2 Int. J. Baltic Law (2005), pp. 57-58, https://www.tamilnet.com/img/publish/2009/10/Gudeleviciute.pdf. ("This language clearly covers merger and secession but the right to decide belongs to the whole population of a particular territorial unit. However, it is a very pragmatic view of the international community for preventing disorder because under a “speedy decolonization” it is almost impossible to consider every opinion of every ethnic group: who wants to unite with whom and who wants to secede. ... The principle of self-determination prevails only under the condition that the term “a people” means the entire population of non-self-governing territory").
So we can see that the right of self-determination belongs to all citizens within the boundaries set by the British Trust Territory of Palestine, which includes Israel, Palestine, and Trans-Jordan.
The U.N. Partition Plan is a nullity. That Plan, the public genesis of the so-called two-state solution, was only a General Assembly recommendation for action to be taken by the Security Council. [1] And the Security Council never acted upon it, largely because of unanimous Arab nation objections that it violated the right of Palestinian self-determination included in the U.N. Charter, equally applicable to all Mandate Territories and former colonies. [2]
Those who push for a two-state solution are either ignorant of the controlling law or are dishonest.
When people say Palestinian right of return to their homes, they mean second and third-generation children and grandchildren of Palestinians who were driven out. This is extremely disingenuous. Most of these people have never been where they declare and right to "return" to. Should descendants of Germans previously living in Kaliningrad and all the western Polish provinces have a right to return? There are thousands of such borders and people having been displaced.
Well, that then settles the Jews' right to colonise Palestine. Their claim to this territory goes back 2000+ years, that's, eh, let's see, some 8000 generations at the very least? I don't think I'll be able to write that many "great-great-great-great"s here actually.
Besides, what exactly happened in these 2000 years? Are these people really the descendants of someone who lived there 2000 years ago? Can they prove that? And does it mean that Rome gets the whole of Europa back?
I do not support Jewish right to colonise Palestine and all arguments going back to King David and whatnot are rubbish. But the error was made in 1948. The Jews born in Israel are not colonizers. They are native.
Does it matter? A rose by any other name. The issue is that we cannot redress a previous error/atrocity by committing a new one. It is genocidal rhetoric to call the native-born inhabitants of a country for settlers.
Yes, the British empire was VERY good at sowing dissension among populations whose lands they wished to subjugate. The echoes of that bit of work they only mildly backed over 150 years ago in USA are still being heard.
Rune, I can't to the situation in Kaliningrad and Poland. I have not studied that issue.
But you've missed the rights of inheritance, not to mention that there are still some living who were driven out.
It might aid your thinking to consider some legal history. Even under the former law of conquest abolished by the U.N. Charter, a change in sovereign did not change land ownership, as recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1832: “It may not be unworthy of remark that it is very unusual, even in cases of conquest, for the conqueror to do more than to displace the sovereign and assume dominion over the country. The modern usage of nations, which has become law, would be violated; that sense of justice and of right which is acknowledged and felt by the whole civilized world would be outraged if private property should be generally confiscated and private rights annulled. The people change their allegiance; their relation to their ancient sovereign is dissolved; but their relations to each other and their rights of property, remain undisturbed.” United States v. Percheman, 32 U.S. 51, 86-87, 7 Pet. 51, ___ (1832) (early statement of the Law of Succession.
Later treaties codified that right. For example, the Convention (IV) Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (“4th Geneva Convention”) speaks repeatedly to that subject. See e.g., Article 49: “Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.” https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.33_GC-IV-EN.pdf
Under Article 8 the right of return is a right that Palestinians may not renounce: “Protected persons may in no circumstances renounce in part or in entirety the rights secured to them by the present Convention, and by the special agreements referred to in the foregoing Article, if such there be.”
And under Articles 7 and 47 any government-negotiated “swap” of territory cannot lawfully affect land (including water rights) ownership protected by the convention:
Article 7: “No special agreement shall adversely affect the situation of protected persons, as defined by the present Convention, nor restrict the rights which it confers upon them.”
Article 47: “Protected persons who are in occupied territory shall not be deprived, in any case or in any manner whatsoever, of the benefits of the present Convention by any change introduced, as the result of the occupation of a territory, into the institutions or government of the said territory, nor by any agreement concluded between the authorities of the occupied territories and the Occupying Power, nor by any annexation by the latter of the whole or part of the occupied territory.”
The right of return can not lawfully be negotiated away by the State of Palestine. That Israel and the U.S. would have it do so simply blinks past the controlling law.
But the answer to the legality of the question of Israel's colonization of the Occupied Territory is not ambiguous: Under the 4th Geneva Convention's Article 47: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." See also the explanatory 1955 commentary on Article 47: “During the Second World War whole populations were excluded from the application of the laws governing occupation and were thus denied the safeguards provided by those laws and left at the mercy of the Occupying Power. In order to avoid a repetition of this state of affairs, the authors of the Convention made a point of giving these rules an absolute character.” https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/Comment.xsp?action=openDocument&documentId=C4712FE71392AFE1C12563CD0042C34A
And indeed, Israel's current colonial policies in regard to Palestine harshly echo Nazi Germany's policy of lebensraum relied upon to displace (and often liquidate) property of citizens of occupied territories, placing Article 47's prohibition against colonization of occupied territories squarely on point.
This law is not disingenuous. What is disingenuous is Israel's dispossession of Palestinian landowners and their heirs.
The problem is that you have two groups of people claiming title to land. You can throw all the international law you want in the face of that, it's meaningless without a hegemon to enforce it. We seem to be running short of hegemons.
The old-fashioned way of dealing with these issues was war. I think the old fashioned way is pretty effective, actually. Maybe the only effective way.
Israel is holding Gaza hostage by cutting off water, electricity, fuel and essential supplies to Gaza. Hamas has to release all hostages to get those services back. Did the people of Gaza not realize their very existence depended on the good offices of Israel? Now, they are getting a very rude awakening. Israel has told Gaza civilians to leave Gaza city and move south. They can’t go to Egypt. President Abdel el-Sisi hates the Muslim brotherhood and Hamas is part of that movement. He built a high wall on the Gaza border. Knowing their propensity to dig tunnels he made the wall extend deep underground. Other Arab states don’t seem to want Palestinians either. Jordan kicked the PLO out on Black September (1970). They went to Lebanon and that didn’t go well.
I don’t know the fate of the people who elected Hamas to govern them, but it won’t be pretty. Tough. They cheered when their brave warriors decapitated babies, killed hundreds of peaceniks, and thought they had achieved a great victory. I suspect that the Iranian response will be vocal but won’t result in Hezbollah attacking Israel. The Mullah’s problem is that their pet terrorist group in Gaza committed and filmed so many atrocities that they horrified people across the world. Had Hamas attacked military targets, it might have scored a propaganda victory. But it chose to attack civilians in Nazi fashion. That was, as they say, bad for business.
"They cheered when their brave warriors decapitated babies..." This claim has been debunked. There is no proof that any such thing happened. Even the White House had to walk back President Biden's remarks about the matter. Israeli photos of "burned babies" turned out to be AI fakes.
There is a great deal of propaganda floating around. We need to double check and verify EVERYTHING, from both sides. Arguing about things that are not true is not productive.
Actually, nothing has been "debunked". Propaganda is flying like crazy. I've seen that AI fakes and that they are not fakes, and that AI fake detection is not always reliable. I've heard eye witnesses. We do know the attack by Hama on civilians was brutal.
It would appear that your sole purpose here is to frame Hamas us brutal inhuman terrorists and extend that to the Palestinians generally....
This is in fact what we find every time the issue comes up. Swarms of concern trolls Unit 8600 types (or whatever) come a knocking in order to influence the views of regulars... All’s fair in love and war I suppose.... but in the end Metal talks and BS walks. Do your worst.
What we have is witness testimony that they were extremely civilised and did no harm. What we also have is wild claims, which hopefully still do not constitute facts. A picture of a puppy that was photoshopped over with some charred stuff is also only proof of faked atrocity propaganda, and only further points to the total rubbishness of the claim.
And what we know above all, is that Israel has gotten away with the most atrocious crimes against humanity since decades, so they obviously will feel very emboldened to claim whatever they feel like, as Western MSM has been a complete sell-out since the very start, and only whitewashed all their crimes, and immediately aggrandised and screamed out all their claims.
That's not a history to be wiped away, and it would be extremely disingenuous if we would suddenly pretend that there's a level playing field here and say that only from this moment we're going to have equal commentary, pretending there's no past.
The disproving can be founded on the uncontested premise that that counterfeit nation (which refuses to define its borders) seems to be a recalcitrant liar and deceiver and has yet to do anything other than lie and propagate falsehoods.
Maybe that nation and its people (in a collective sense) qualify themselves as the synagogue of satan referred to in the Bible.
Most of the suspended MSNBC anchors aren't Arabs. Mehdi Hasan is Indian Muslim while Ali Velshi is an Iranian.
There would be no ground offensive. Israel will use American supplied bunker busting bombs to reach Hamas fighters hiding underground.
Euro-American media propaganda has no effect on the Global South and increasingly inside the collective West it is failing to deceive. That is why Benny Boy Shapiro is melting down and blasting Tucker Carlson
A tunnel is a net-work. The benefit of a net, is its resilience against brakes.
Even without the old tunnels, once the IDF is in Gaza new passages can be formed. Bombed out rubble is a defenders best friend. Go back to the siege of Leningrad in WW2, Putin's hometown by the way, where his mother lost a son, an older brother to Putin. Gaza is hitting Putin hard.
You are correct, but how many 5000 pound bunker busters does Israel have?and how many 2000 pound guided missiles does HizbAllah have pointed at Amonia tank farms in Hifa and the Dimona Plant?
The boxer is required to punch his aponent and equally required is his ability to take a punch. Can the Israeli population take a punch? They are already leaving on planes.
This time Israel has gone to far, it has arrayed against her many neighbors with big debts to settle and a weak US and a non factor Europe. The world will finally witness the barbarity of the 5000 pounders and the US Zionist controlled government will be exposed, again, for its deeds in Vietnam and Iraq.
All Israel and her friends really have is a very good lies generating machine. In addition Israel has no reverse gear and I think this time they will drive themselves into a mud hole.
Truly, the Two State solution is the only way, but you have pinpointed the major problem, which is the very low birth rate of the Ashkenazi...Only the ultra Orthodox are having enough kids, and they tend to be fanatical...The same is true in the US, but also many jews out-marry in the US, (which produces much healthier kids because the Ashkenazi are very inbred already)..I speak as one who has taught many jewish kids, and has become aware of this problem...But really, this portrayal of either side as sub-human is highly offensive and ridiculous...A while back, we sold an old piano to a young couple for essentially nothing..he was Palestinian, she was Jewish, and they were very much in love..She wanted the piano to further her husband's musical pursuits....
Have you heard of the Chillingham Herd? A 800 years ago (approx) they happened to be in a square mile (approx) which gains approval to be encircled by a wall as a defence against those who lived in the Scottish Borders. That herd has been enclosed ever since and they are now a specific genus according to Darwin who visited them. They are now clones - and every calf born is inspected by the herd, and defect causes them to kill it.
The Chillingham herd have never been touched by human hand. They are immune form BSE and every other viral killer.
Thanks for informing me about the Chillingham Herd, no I had not heard of it, and although it's a bit off topic, a fascinating topic none the less.
I'm no expert, but deleterious inbreeding is a thing, although environmental factors may go some way to ameliorating it. The classic human example is of course the Hapsburgs, culminating in King Charles II "The Cursed" of Spain. Mentally and physically disabled, he seems to be strong proof that a family can only marry its own cousins, nephews and nieces for so long before the account has to be settled. A few more palace coups and assassinations could have done that dynasty the world of good, environmental factors culling the herd.
Well they allowed a ‘defect’. The wild cattle do not allow defects. The argument that nations must be destroyed is one I oppose. Nations are people who are related to each other, not people who ‘live in the same place’.
Living in your own nation in your own homeland is critical for survival - you have a genetic interest in each other survival.
I don't disagree at all..But that doesn't mean you have to practice inbreeding..there's plenty of genetic diversity in most nations..The problem with Israel and Ashkenazi is that it's a relatively small group that has been inbreeding for centuries..There's nothing wrong with jews marrying gentiles, and it quite obviously makes for healthier children....
Interesting! But the genetic problems of inbreeding are extremely well documented...For example, having children with a 1st cousin reduces the IQ of the child, on the average, by 5 points...These obvious defects caused the Catholic Church to ban marriages of relationships closer than the 4th cousin...Doctors in our urban area are quite familiar with these problems, though obviously they don't talk about it much...
You say Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years. Islam is 1,400 years old. The people of Palestine were Pagans and Jews, with Babylonians and others messing around there until Romans took over.
Rome became Christian, so then mostly Jews and Christians. Then Islam came about and took over. Crusades, Bizantium, fighting, and then the Ottoman Empire.
British took over, and then tried to divide their former empire up in ridiculous ways, to please everyone, but failing.
Israel has never had peace with the Muslims, because they are Jews. Islam considers nonbelievers as beneath them.
Remember how the US got the marines? "To the shores of Tripoli?" Islam harassing US ships, because they weren't Muslims. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin got a copy of Koran in English so they could understand, and concluded that there was no negotiating reasonably with Islam.
In 2005, Sharon tried emptying Gaza of Jewish people and military. Money was raised for greenhouses to get an economy going. They were destroyed. Every cent of money sent to Gaza has been used for weapons. They teach their children hate, to kill Jews.
I don't blame Israel for being sick of this. So called Palestinians, let's just call them Gaza Muslims, do not want peace with Israel. It's obvious.
This is about religion. It always has been. Islam does not get along well with others, especially in an area so pathetically radicalized as Gaza.
Other Islamic countries do indeed use them to hurt Israel, but the truth is, they really do not want them as refugees, because they are too radical.
Has Israel clamped down hard on them. Yeah. What would you do? Let them develop more ways to attack you?
No pre 1990 genocide in SA, just separate development. Even the blacks are saying that things were better under apartheid for them than they have been under the ANC. Do keep up.
Britain partitioned India because we could not stop the Moslems from killing everyone else. It was a nuisance because Hindus etc living in what is now Pakistan had to move, Moslems living in what is now India had to move - but it worked for a long time - it was worth it!
Funny that the latter-day Britains deny this as ‘Evil colonialism’ and prove the actions were wrong by importing any illegal Moslem who cared to fetch up on the U.K. shore.
Well. Now we have millions of Moslems who have created enclaves in the U.K., occupied us. And the same goes for the whole of Europe.
Let’s see how Europe deals with this when it is challenged as Israel is challenged. (Or will be just curl up and die, tired of shouldering the white mans burden?)
It’s all documented. Moslems are colonising more than the U.K., fit young men arriving by the boatloads every day in Europe. Now we in the U.K. are ‘finding’ weapons as well.
There will be a ‘Krystal nacho’ and the Collective west global governors will be ‘taken by surprise’. They believe that if you are nice to people they will be nice to you, so currently the U.K. spending £8 million a day housing ‘moslem refugees’ - almost all men under 30, in hotels.
When they set up enclaves that the natives population is disbarred from, their own courts, their own ‘parliament’, they speak their own language… that’s colonisation.
"So called Palestinians, let's just call them Gaza Muslims, do not want peace with Israel. It's obvious".
Of course they bloody well don't. If a bunch of fairly secure, prosperous people from other continents flooded into your country, stole all the good land and property, killed everyone who resisted, and drove the survivors into "Indian reservations" in the hope that they would quietly die off in a few generations, do you think you might get a little cross?
Let the Israelis release everyone from Gaze, restore to them their ancestors' land, houses, and property - and ideally so off back to where they came from. Then I am sure the Palestinians will be all sweetness and light. Except for the many whose murdered families cannot be restored so easily.
Jeannie doesn't seem to realise her book of hate, The Talmud, has been translated. We all know the hate within it, that it's kosher to rape a 3 year old goy, we are cattle, cockroaches and animals here to serve the jew.
I'm a Catholic. I'm also realistic about Islam, which is the most hateful major religion and always has been. There is a lot of taqiya going on in this thread.
Being shown the door 109 times doesn’t actually support your viewpoint but that’s OK. We can have a little bit of magical thinking in these parts anyway.
Historically, Jews have been kicked out of many countries.
Typically it has been forced by the ordinary people, not by the elites, because Jews in those countries have often colluded with the rulers to exploit the mass of the population (note both Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump ended up with Jewish husbands, strategic marriages)
A large part of what is now Ukraine was once under Polish control, with huge estates owned by wealthy Poles. They typically had Jewish overseers, who had no empathy for other ethnic groups. Jews held monopolies granted by the Poles (for which the Jews paid) on things like milling and even control of the keys to Christian churches, so Christians had to pay them to use their own churches. Those monopolies were used to wring everything possible out of the ordinary people for the mutual benefit of the wealthy Poles and their Jewish partners. That history underpins the antipathy to Jews which has long bedeviled that part of the world and continues to do so.
There was a not dissimilar experience in Spain.
And when you claim Jews live in "everyone else's country with no trouble" you are being a bit myopic about "no trouble". Take the US as an example (and a critical one for the rest of the world). Who controls the Federal Reserve, the financial sector, most of the entertainment and mass media, the MIC companies, and most big companies and real estate through the tentacles of BlackRock and the like? That same ethnic group has vastly disproportionate representation in Congress (as well as buying up most other Congress critters) and disproportionate representation in the judiciary.
Through that control they have cheaply bought up most of American business and shipped its industry to China and other countries in pursuit of profits, hollowing out what others had once created as a robust industrial power and destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of millions of Americans. They have pushed woke policies on the country, destroying its cohesion and morality. Through political control and judicial activism, they have kept the southern border open to flood the country with aliens, many unassimilable (as they have done in Europe), again destroying the cohesion and morality of the country and the wealth and safety of ordinary citizens).
With the media control they have brainwashed Americans into believing Israel is a great US ally -- despite the fact that Israel has never, ever done anything of benefit to the US but has sucked enormous sums from the US taxpayer (as well as stealing IP and nuclear secrets) and kept the US mired in controversy and war in the ME.
This may all amount to "no trouble" for Jews. It has been a massive burden for the people of the US and for the rest of the world given Jews use of the US to pursue Jewish agendas elsewhere, including in the ME and Ukraine.
Jeannie: "Islam considers nonbelievers as beneath them."
Zionists suffer from the same disease. See e.g., Mark Weber (no date) The Weight of Tradition: Why Judaism is Not Like Other Religions. Institute for Historical Review. Available at: https://www.ihr.org/judaism0709.html (Accessed: 15 October 2023).
What would I do? What the law requires: Treat the Palestinians as human beings with rights equal to all. Convene a plebiscite so that all residents of Palestine, Jews and Palestinians alike, can choose the form of their government. Evict all those who have trespassed on land owned by Palestinians. Permanently put to bed those dreams of establishing an Eretz Israel. Prosecute all those guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of international humanitarian law, starting with the highest-ranking leaders. Etc.
Come on people, why all we have this kind of demoralizing each other in this debate today when we came from the same parents, Adam and Eve. Of course, there will be many who disagree with me since some races are better than the other, and others are coming from Darwinian predecessor. Only few will find the common sense. Sad.
Stating the obvious, but, if any "enemy" government (aka leadership NATO wants to destroy or overthrow) were to do the same as Zionist Israel and:
-lock 2.3 million people in an open air prison
-carpet bomb entire neighbourhoods, dropping 6,000 bombs weighing 4,000 tons (in less that 1 week) on the imprisoned civilians
-fire shells with White Phosphorous on the trapped population [See just how mutilated those who manage to survive White Phosphorous are...]
-kill medics who were trying to rescue injured civilians (including medics who were given “permission” to enter the bombarded areas to rescue the wounded)
-bomb hospitals, ...premeditate to destroy hospitals
-tell the population it needs to leave via one tiny crossing to a neighbouring country
-bomb that crossing repeatedly making leaving impossible
-cut off entry of water, of electricity, of food, cooking gas
-tell the half the population they need to move from the north to the south of their prison (so the occupiers can bomb the f*ck out of the north even more)
-massacre civilians as the try to leave, as ordered to...
-cut the internet so journalists can't report & civilians can't get on social media to share their experiences being genocided...
...there were be OUTRAGE.
But because it is Israel, the virtue signalling & hashtagging of Western presstitutes and politicians is even stronger & more revolting than it was for Nazis in Ukraine or al-Qaeda in Syria.
Palestinian Ministry of Health:
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As of 14-10-2023 at 11:55 PM,
Martyrs and wounded as a result of the occupation’s aggression, (since the beginning of the war):
Gaza Strip: 2,215 martyrs and 8,714 wounded
West Bank: 54 martyrs and more than 1,100 wounded.
1,300+ Gaza Strip Buildings Demolished By Israeli Bombardments - UN
The UN's humanitarian agency has stated 5,540 housing units have been destroyed, and 3,750 more homes damaged so badly they are uninhabitable.
Trying to predict the actions of apartheid Israel, with its self-confessed genocidal intent and the unequivocal support of the west veritably cheering on war crimes, with the usual sense of logic and reason, is not likely to reveal much, imho. I do not know about others, but i simply can not fathom the mentality that got them to where they are. Could Iran be the target and Gaza the bait.
I'm not saying the Hamas attack was something engineered by the USA/Israel, i'm not saying there are not genocidal maniacs in Israel that want to wipe Palestinians off the map regardless of whether Iran exists or not, but i am suggesting the carte blanche given to Israel by the USA could have more to do with their wish to find the suitable excuse to bomb Iran than anything to do with Hamas directly.
Israel was Born in Blood and forged through Iron, Will & Slaughter. It is a European Settler Colony primarily comprising a citizenry who have 2-3 (sometimes even 4+) passports. Palestine to them is a "Summer resort" for their various holiday needs. It is not "Home" in anyway.
It has simply shown its "true colours" for all to see. When the Defence Minister and other members of government go on live TV and advocate Slaughter and Genocide; they have closed off all avenues for Diplomacy by said pronouncements, period. Force is the language they speak; and therefore the Muslim world-proper is obliged to respond in kind.
This conflict will escalate, period. It is no longer a question of "If..." but rather "When?". Once it does; punitive forces need to be sent in from all sides (Shia, Sunni, Ibadi, etc) to neutralize the threat. Be it Masjid Al-Aqsa & its inviolability Or the blood of our Palestinian brothers & sisters; the Muslim world is united against the Zionist menace and said Unity is there for all to see.
Settler Colonies have Messiah complexes; and unfortunately the *least bloody solution* is for them to be Forcibly Expelled back to where they came from. This will mean millions dead; but all other alternatives are worse and far more bloody.
Ultimately it will come down to a very simple principle: European Settler Colonists will NOT "fight to death" if they have the option of fleeing to *insert European vassal here* or the US. The Palestinians and allies meanwhile will fight to the death (and then some) to preserve Al-Aqsa.
The net result to all this will be (to the horror of the nominal Western Supremacist/Chauvinist) the birth of the Caliphate with its Capital in Al-Quds. And it will be Born like Israel was Born decades ago: Born in Blood & forged through Will, Iron & Slaughter. And its starting generation will despise the Atlanticist as "those peoples who tried to eliminate us".
A professor of the Sacred Sciences put it succinctly years ago: "The question is not IF there will be a Khilafa; the question is WHEN will it come and WHAT will its starting point be?". Unfortunately for the West; it looks like the answer to the latter half of that question is: "Enmity".
By that logic: There ought to be a "right of return" to Magna Germania (figure out the border situation on that one!) for all peoples with Germanic DNAs (no matter how small). `
So some random California liberal with 1% British DNA ought to be able to displace a family in *insert native German village here* so long as it falls under the Magna Germania territories. How come? Well, because there are UNESCO heritage sites & whatnot from the Proto-Germanics in said area of course! (>Silly Argument)
"Israelis" are Europeans for the most part. The Sephardics (who can genuinely trace his lineage back to the Holy Land) can stay. The Europeans meanwhile? They have to leave.
And unfortunately, Force (likely overwhelming force) will have to be used to do this. This is the most likely outcome given the present trajectory.
Israel will be destroyed if it resorts to conventional (or nuclear) conflict. In the former, it lacks sufficient Artillery, Tanks & MLRSs compared to coalition forces. In the case of the latter; it is self-explanatory (a la Nuclear Fallout & Winter).
The "smart" Europeans can leave voluntarily. The "dumber" ones can experience what the French did in Algeria (and elsewhere) and be Massacred by the locals. Personally; I view the former as the wiser choice.
I know what I am; I care not for the opinion of the disbeliever.
Addendum: We both know who will fight genuinely "till the end". Colonists & Settlers will fly back to Europe & America as death tolls mount. The Palestinians & allies will fight for their land, holy sites & families. This is a no contest.
You see from my perspective you are the ‘disbeliever’ - a follower of a very flawed man. An earth-bound man with no spirituality and no empathy and no humanity. But I don’t care what you do in your own lands, however that is never enough for you because you demand hegemony - all must bend the knee and some of us must pay the taxes.
You will not get the civilized world. It will be destroyed before it is handed over to you and your kind.
The reason Europe "imports the world" is because its women can no longer reproduce properly; opting instead to kill their offspring and celebrate that in every facet of their lives. The men meanwhile self-pleasure themselves to death and are on the "Hedonistic treadmill"; utterly useless in protecting & providing in any capacity whatsoever.
If you feel strongly against the "Muslim presence" in Europe; fix those key problems yourselves (Hint: You cannot). And if you are unable to do so, then don't be surprised that "Eurabia" is the result. People convert en masse because Islam alone can make Western women stop killing their offspring and Western man to stop becoming a Hedonistic mess.
Wouldn’t That be something if a few million Israelis the other migrants from various regions in the Middle East and North Africa, the EU could be a truly dynamic rainbow colored melting pot
I am keenly watching the Avdeevka assault as well. Like you said, Ru OPSEC is very high and there is limited info coming out from MoD or others. Military Summary and Weeb are trying to show map updates but I am not really putting much stock in their reports (yet). But I agree with your conclusion; if this assault which appears highly committed, doesn't yield results, then I would think the front line can be considered more or less frozen, minus small gains or losses here and there.
As for Gaza/Hamas, the Israeli's have political cover to do what they want to do now, and the likelihood is that they cut Gaza in half and stuff the population into the southern part. Yes it is ethnic cleansing, genocide... frankly I wouldn't be surprised to wake up and learn that the IDF dropped a neutron bomb and zapped all 2mn people living there. All talk about Iranian support - well, there is a lot of geography between Iran and Israel. Syria won't do anything; it has acted as an IAF punching bag for the last 20 years, not going to change now. Lebanon is practically a failed state. Hezbollah would do well in a defensive conflict (as in 2006) but I wouldn't like their odds if they actually tried to move south.
Finally - those thinking that US military support for Ukr will be directed to Israel; I actually think there will be no noticeable change. The types of weapons and munitions are totally different, the US will be draining different stockpiles and frankly putting Hamas and the Russian army in the same sentence is insulting
Are you trying to remain positive about Israel’s long term fate?
Only a brainwashed fool would give a shit about the illegal terrorist settler project.
Well they are running a sex slave industry using young white girls all over the U.K. ma.my many court cases give testament to that.
"they"? The Palestinians? Or your favourite hate objects the "Moslems"?
Research Abe Saffron, a crime figure that ruled the Sydney underworld for decades. And a certain Jeffrey Epstein. They weren't "Moslems". They belonged to a certain tribe that is known for that behaviour.
You see cherry picking data to suit a point of view is easy.
Hamas-Mossad False Flag Terror Spectacle already yields dividends... that's the beauty of False Flags: all is possible and all is permitted
To wit:
-A Final Solution for the Palestinian Question (Second Mass deportation/ Annihilation) conducted with full support of the West
- The US dragged into another Endless War against Iran designed to destroy the BRICS+ World Order
- Bibi and Biden emerge as War Time Presidents, immune from electoral challenges
- BIG WIN for MIC...
Endlosung eh? Will the Palestinian survivors de deported to Madagascar?
No. To Europe. To replace the population even more. LMAO
funny, but very unfunny too.
you really think we're all roll over soy boys? I stalk these cunts as they stalk us. I know where they are. I am hardly unique, and this realisation is endemic in healthy males. Any fucker who thinks they can come here and do as they please, the morgue.
Fire and blood, and all the (actually) entitled immigrants are in for a very sharp shock when things kick off. Fools, they've been had as much as ken, karen and their trans-child.
LMAO? are you Hillary?
Stfu, edgy boy.
You know they are politically protected. You cannot touch them. Well, you can, and then you are arrested (because they have room in the prisons for YOU, just not the human traffickers), and they will import 50 more to take his place.
The enemy is within. As long as there are traitors opening the gates to the sieging army amassed at our walls, we have no hope of defending.
that's also quite funny, "edgy boy" lol, indeed, I dream perhaps..
And, everything else you say in reply is true, agreed.
Very unfunny situation.
Everybody-ish is starting to see it now. Be interesting.
Actually Eurocrats and their pro-Jewish agenda might turn their stance on immigration around.
It's all about public perception, given recent events.
If you lash out at them, you'll rally support for them. If you expose them, you'll be dealing much greater damage to them than you could ever do physically.
This is why Tommy Robinson is persona non grata in the UK, because he's exposing the immigrant idiocy.
They r not winning and they will not be able to win vs me
Another one immediately denying the Palestinians any agency, expertise nor superhuman courage. How very Delinghole.
In his autobiography, written with Roots author Alex Haley and published after his death in 1965, Malcolm X said: “If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” precisely describing how MSM operating this way today.
As Donald Trump attempted to demonstrate with the US - Mexico border, and Israel has demonstrated in other area's of their country, walls do work. Build a wall around Gaza, with no doors.
You need to bring down that wall around your mind. Dickhead.
Did you not read my warning at the bottom of the article? Plz consult it
I stopped myself before typing some curt response! ;) (To another comment, not this one obviously!)
Thanks, a Nuland cookie for you!
Considering the obese and disgusting creature that is Nudelman actually touched the cookies with her blood soaked hands why would anyone want one?
Can we have a plain old chocolate chip cookie instead?
Throw in a little Victorias Secret?
Yeah fair enough but my question is this" We have genocidal zionists and their useful idiots crawling out of the swamp and disseminating outright lies (beheaded babies) and propaganda that are enabling genocide.
They create the narrative that deaths of military aged occupiers (legitimate targets) are worth more than 2,000 civilians so far, 700 of which are children.
Why should they be given a platform?
These people are not worthy of respect.
Sounds like you're ready to join up with Hamas. Send us the vids showing you teaching the dirty zionist vermin a lesson!! Seig Heil! Or what does Hamas chant? Hamas Hamas the Jews to the Gas? Tell me this batman: Where are the Jews supposed to live? Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?
Congratulations on completing Mein Kampf.
They are a race!
Jewishness is also considered an ethnicity, like Italian, French, etc.
Rumors is tha thitler was ashkenazi
Jews come from all over the world FYI.
You're an idiot. Username Che gives you away. I know you're not even Cuban bc they would never use that name fool. Can't argue w stupidity.
The ashkeNAZI are from Ukraine and surrounds. Hebrew Jews, real actual Jews already lived in Palestine. That there shows your US derived ignorance. Ancestral lands LOL
Indeed, it is said that the original Jews living in Palestine converted to Islam when the Muslim hordes spread across the Levant - that would be ironic, wouldn't it - that the Israelis have taken the lands from the progeny of their own ancestors? Of course, I am speaking primarily of the Sephardic Jews who migrated from the Palestinian area to North Africa, then to Spain and Southern Europe. If truth be known, the Ashkenazi Jew who was actually responsible for taking the land in 1948 was of European/Turkic blood - not a drop of Semitic blood in his veins.
Are you saying that Ukrainians cannot become Jews?
Ancestral lands LOL is right. This is the reason the Ukraine is so important to them now, possibly as a refuge. Notice how these particular "Jews" seem to value their lives much more than their commission from God. Real Hebrews would fight to the last bullet but the Khazars will run the instant they realize that war is not a sport they can start and then watch on televitz.
Like Native Americans perhaps?
The amusing thing is that those who currently side with Hamas are themselves considered ‘infidels’ to Islamic extremists. Their opinions of ‘AshkeNAZI’ would not save them.
Islamic "extremists"? Who are they, people you don't like?
You lost your audience with ancestral lands I’m afraid
Perhaps your message would work more effectively in a different setting...
The zionist occupiers of Palestine aren't Jews. Zionism is the negation of Judaism, ask Theodore Herzl. The surviving Palestinians might be more generous than me and content themselves with sending the worst of the zionist criminals against humanity to Nuremberg.
Radical Zionists are KM. Israeli citizens are not.
Ancestral Homes? What a quagmire that is. Where is the beginning of that circle.
European Jews have no ancestral claim to Palestinian dirt. Perhaps France and Germany and Poland can give them their lands back.
God condemned them to wander for scorning Jesus, let them wander forever more with no home.
Careful, the Christians being murdered in numbers throughout the world by Moslems might not agree with you’ll
Why don't you wander off?
" Where are the Jews supposed to live? Among the nations where they have lived for two thousand years (at least until they are thrown out for misbehaving).
"Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?" - No. Not if they have to steal that land from others.l
Dirkboy, the Jews who did not leave their "ancestral homelands" have every right to continue to live there. Of course, some of them chose to convert to Christianity, and some to Islam. For at least five centuries prior to WW1 Jews, Muslims, Christians, and practitioners of other religions lived in Palestine peacefully with each other.
The Jews who have moved to Palestine since Zionism gained power and adherents, who have never been shy about stating that their goal was/is to remove all the Palestinians from their new state of Israel, do not have any right to live there unless they are willing to give up their goal and practice of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
The state of Israel was founded by Zionist terrorists, and unfortunately their violent take over of the land has never stopped.
Let me guess Hitler should have been left alone to finish the job?
So, Ukrainians who massacred Jews for the Germans were actually jews? I would expect this nonsense from a Che disciple.
Paid agitation works at times but I think you’ll find that it is less effective here
Unless you brought a wingman....
No and the nazi genocides against Jews owe as much to utilitarianism as they do antisemitism.
Who are you anyway, TE Lawrence's great grand nephew or something?
He would consider it an honor as would u, so why do you refer to an ad hom,? Cognitive dissonance.
Grr - You fight evil by stating your truth calmly and logically, no matter how much propaganda or lies or hatred is spewed out. However hard evil tries to drag you into the pit of hatred and rage, avoid at all costs falling into it to fight it at that level, it poisons the soul..
P.S Thanks for the reminder about that Simplicius.
Nordstream. These are the same damn khazarian mafia naxis
Let them out themselves, Frendo. The more riled up they get the more useful their homicidal intent as evidence.
Yeah great it's pretty sad how they cheer. My laugh comes from the hasbara desperate to make everyone dislike pals more than they are disliked . 110 nations ( pretty much every country in the world at the time kicked them out. When 110 schools kick out your kid do you blame the schools or look to your own behaviour and attitudes.
The Only Real Democracy in the Middle East has just, in order to defend itself, bombed a Gazan hospital killing over 500 people (or is it "subhuman animals"?) taking refuge there thinking that The Chosen Ones would never bomb a hospital - they were wrong - Israel didn't even hesitate.
I have just woken up to that news. "1000 Palestinians and wounded about 2000" so far.
That's it then, total war. The ashkeNAZIs obviously are asking for it so give it to them. Get this shit sorted once and for all.
aye, grrr gets a bit too animated, rather headstrong beyond reason at times too,
but grrr's heart is probably in the right place.
NB grrr, stop verbally assaulting people - i often agree with your sentiment, but you lower your own tone in doing so. : )
It's apparent you are what you hate. BYTM
I just heard that Izrael is recalling the special forces units from Ukraine , because they are needed back home. Very puzzling , what were they doing there on the first place ? there are no Hamas there .
"what were they doing there on the first place?"
Someone has to keep guns in the backs of Ukrainian conscripts to keep them walking into the meat grinder in the attempt to protect Blackrock's acquisitions in Ukraine and Zelensky and the oligarchs.
That's pretty much the strategy they've been following for the last 15 years. It didn't turn out so good. Walls are only as good as those manning them. Also, it left them with a sore wound and in an impossible position with regard to attempts at normalization with the other countries in the region.
The Israeli Zionist government do not want any normalization. What they want is that the rest of Gentiles / Goyim are bow down to them and serve the Zionist master.
ummm, they built that wall about 50 years ago, thats kinda the problem. Gaza is essentially the worlds largest concentration camp
You've slowly been enveloped by the World's Largest Concentration Camp. The Internet, where you have complete freedom to say anything you are allowed to say.
Stupid Americxnt, the problem is your corrupt Zionist lover government who tried to cause havoc and calamity around the world. People like you should be ashamed of being a human and should immediately join the israeli in this war.
Sure
The grubby shekel hoarders, the money lenders, are now shamelessly running a campaign asking for donations to buy Level IV ceramic vests for their war criminals.
Jewish chutzpah has no boundaries.
Oh yeah, the Arabs are all little Red Riding Hoods. Give me a break. Ever tried doing business with an Arab? You'd swear they were not only Jews, but Dutchmen...
Great rebuttal dickboy. How about next time get your ignorant racist blinkers off and actually try to rebut the facts.
What a sweetheart you are. Racist? "Shekel hoarders"? I think you need to look in a mirror bro. And, do be a chap and stick to those rules Simplicius mentioned, will you?
Av, a customer of mine and eventually a friend, would chisel, whine and squirm until he thought he squeezed the last nickel out of a deal. I, a non-believer, just grinned every time as he walked away with the nickels and I walked away with the $ thousands.
He had a tremendous sense of humor. "How do you say F -you in Yiddish?"
"Trust me."
Perhaps business is not the enterprise for you.
A natural consequence of mocking God. (Even though I’m an atheist)
Opening statement of Netanyahu’s speech at the UN September 22nd 2023.
“Over three millennia ago, our great leader Moses addressed the people of Israel as they were about to enter the Promised Land. He said they would find there two mountains facing one another: Mount Gerizim, the site on which a great blessing would be proclaimed, and Mount Ebal, the site of a great curse. Moses said the people’s fate would be determined by the choice they made between the blessing and the curse.”
"That same choice has echoed down the ages not just for the people of Israel but for all humanity.
We face such a choice today. It will determine whether we enjoy the blessings of a historic peace of boundless prosperity and hope or suffer the curse of a horrific war, of terrorism and despair".
If Netanyahu in all his stupidity wants to hold up a map of Israel at the UN showing the state of Palestine no longer exists when Israel broke the covenant with God then “God” in all his wisdom is going to say Mount Ebal it is!
Who said God doesn’t have a sense of Humor, seriously you cant make this shit up.
Maybe God exists after all? Divine intervention.
There never was and never will be a state of Palestine. The name comes from Roman times and was ascribed to the Philistines. Check your history and you will find that it was the Muslims who invaded the Holy Land and built a Mosque over the Jewish Temple. Hamas has demonstrated that Israel will never again accept a Muslim Brotherhood run state on its borders.
Funnily enough its the Fake-estinians that spout Hitler slogans, not the Juden..
You are so confused, and, given your icon, a fan of a mass murdering communist, the late Che Guevara. It was the Nazis who exterminated 6 million Jews and countless other undesirables. Guess you are a fan of the Nazis. So are Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. They want to carry on exterminating Jews. Except, the Jews learned to fight back and they have the thermonuclear weapons to prove it if push comes to shove. If the Mad Mullahs of Iran actually try to launch fission weapons against the Jews, they will find fusion works a thousand times better.
To corroborate: the 6 million figure is prophetical and was announced many times in the NYT from as early as the 1860s. It's the basis for the whole issue around the holocaust, as that number is still the core of the claim on which the concept and notion of the holocaust is based.
Most people are not aware that the official memorial plaque in Auschwitz was changed in the early 1990s (fall of the USSR - very crucial for the holocaust, as all the claims of "extermination camps" and "gas chambers" had been backtracked and dropped for all camps liberated by the Western allied forces, making all of the horror disappear behind the Iron Curtain) from 4 million killed to 1.5 million killed. That's an immense difference, and made 2.5 of the 6 million suddenly vanish into thin air.
But the 6 million figure was not adjusted together with the Auschwitz figure. How? Why?
That cannot be, since the first tabulation of the holocaust after WWII was 4.5 million. It worked its way up to 5.1, then 5.5m and now 6.1 as new records (records, you know actual evidence of events) are found.
LOL a mass murdering communist. Typical Yank.. The "commie" brainwashing is thorough.
Do you ever contribute anything that isn't an ad hominem attack?
Yeah I do. Do you?
Lies, and more lies from this Pat.
Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is forever. Your choice.
But being wilfully blind is a difficult matter: the patient generally refuses treatment! :-D
Oh grr is also purblind as we call it.
The trite Hallmark Card rebuttal of the terminally suburban.
Yeah LiEs aNd mOrE LiEs indeed. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/06/palestine_the_worlds_oldest_antisemitic_word.html
I ran into the first outright lie, the part about Hadrian being the first person to call the region "Palestine", and stopped reading.
See it happen in front of your eyes Pat. This whole crisis will inevitably result in the establishment of the independent state of Palestine, the only question is the size.
Don't cry too much, and please don't become depressed or filled with hate.
But justice will be done. From the river to the sea! :-D
Maybe, but, so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state. The state they want is from the river to the sea with every Jew in the way massacred. They demonstrated their bloodlust last Saturday. Guess what? The people who survived the Nazi Holocaust, the people who won all the wars launched against them by the combined Arab nations will not be beaten. Palestinian terrorists have suicide vests; Israel has hydrogen bombs.
Well, there's really no point in arguing here, unless we take this back to the most basics notions. What are facts? What are our opinions based upon?
You see, I'm convinced that 99% of the all people will agree with what is right and what is wrong, IF THEY ARE GIVEN THE SAME DATASET OF FACTS.
The point is: we're not only not given all the facts, we're given extremely false datasets with mostly lies and hardly any fact that matters. That's why we need to unfortunately do our own research and try to find the facts by ourselves. That is -- if we even have the WISH to find facts, and are even able to perceive that we don't get the facts but are emotionally hoarded like sheep to have strong beliefs and clash with each other over them.
The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?
What are the facts that make you say that the Palestinians want to massacre every Jew in Israel? I cannot for the life of me imagine such idiocy, but somehow the contrary is stated regularly by Israeli officials and their ideological mouth-frotheners: "Kill them all" is being heard quite a lot recently, as if it were a rational statement instead of a call for actual genocide. Can we then assume that your statement is a projection of a hyper-emotional and primal reaction to the newsfeeds you consume?
Perhaps provide your source for this: “The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?”
"so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state."
Primarily because every deal offered was not an offer of a sovereign statehood. For example, all such propositions contained the proviso that the new state of Palestine could not raise its own military. If a country does not have the right to raise its own military, it is not a sovereign country by any definition. So of course the Palestinians would never agree.
I understand the Israeli point of view. Allowing such a Palestinian state would presage the end of Israel, but I don't think that can be helped now, so...
This is why wars happen. To arbitrate such issues.
Agreed. No matter the state solution to the problem, the Palestinian would always be looking over the fence with intense hatred and declaring, "That is my land - you stole it!".
Hmmm....not a very balanced observation.
The forced removal of West Bank Palestinians from their homes, the bulldozing by Caterpillar excavators and bulldozers, the building of new housing for "Settlers" is not a provocation?
The uninvited march through the al-Aqsa Mosque and the proposed demolishment of the Mosque, is not a provocation?
@Pat
"Palestinian terrorists" have pregnant wives, so far as Bibi's cabal are concerned.
https://i0.wp.com/criticallegalthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/BSD-FIgure-1.jpg
I mean it's not the first time i've seen crude dehumanization of the enemy, but that's pretty awful stuff.
One of the sadder aspects of this crap is the historical accounts of nearly identical "kill the pregnant jewess for a two-fer" sentiments recorded from European pogroms. They were using pitchforks & such that time around, not rifles.
Humanity is all one family under the skin and family feuds are the worst.
Quare. When will the 2 U.S. Carrier Groups become a mysterious South Stream incident?
Wrong. The nation of Palestine has been recognized by, inter alia, the U.N. and the International Criminal Court.
Not sure if you were replying to me, but in case you did: yes, the state of Palestine is de iure existing and recognised, but de facto it's nowhere to be found. If it had been, it would be able to have its own army, as Simplicius so aptly pointed out in the article we're commenting on :-D
I was replying to Pat: "There never was and never will be a state of Palestine."
Ah! The UN and the ICC - that’s decisive then 😂🤣
Actually, until 1948 there was no country called Israel either. Indeed the original land of Israel passed out of existence in 722 bc when it was taken over by the Assyrians. Further that land was not located where it is today. Israel of today is more closely aligned with the Judea during Roman times. But since God promised the land to Israel and not Judea, it would have been uncomfortable for the Zionists to call their new country Judea even though Israel never existed there. Indeed, it could well be said that there remain no more Israelites at all since after the Assyrian conquest, they were absorbed into the general population.
So in summary, the Zionists not only stole Palestinian land, they also stole the name of "Israel" and claimed they were the people of Israel.
Actually, back then, ‘Palestinians’ lived in Jordan, and were considered Jordanian.
A map of the middle east circa 1940:
https://yandex.ru/images/search?img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F7f%2FThe_Middle_East_in_1940.png%2F586px-The_Middle_East_in_1940.png&lr=114444&pos=1&rpt=simage&text=map%20of%20the%20middle%20east%20circa%201940
Find Jordan.
Find Palestine.
Jordan was split off by the British who administered the area and it gained independence in 1946.
The northern parts of Palestine were for many years part of Southern Syria.
The issue does’t start in 1940. Look up the Ottoman Empire, the Sykes Picot Agreement, etc. If you want to blame anyone regarding unrest in this area, blame the British
Please read what I wrote. I am not assigning blame to anyone. I am merely informing you as to the situation in the Middle East near the beginning of WWII, well after breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Jordan did not exist except as a partition of Palestine at the time. Palestine was never a part of Jordan - only the West Bank was - and that was given over to the Palestinians later.
Hilarious. So in 1948, Arab Muslims and Christians west of the Jordan River were called Brits?
The British Mandate. Briatin controlled, and redesigned the boundaries of the region
"There never was and never will be a state of Palestine"
The same weak logic would conclude there never was an historical State of Israel. Just a temporary name between periods of Colonization by greater Powers.
From Rome, to the Ottomans, now an American Colony, whose lifespan depends entirely on the survival of the U.S. Deep State.
Investing in friends and compromise was and is a difficult option.
Hadrian renamed judea to palestine. Because he disliked the judah tribes rebelling. So he named their province after their ancient enemies the philistines. Now the people of palestine dna direct back to jeshua s days, are now facing invaders aka philistines.
The name fully formed first appears in Herodotus. 5th century BC, though Egyptian and Assyrian terms that are similar are found as far back as 1150BC in inscriptions. Judea was the name of the client kingdom (under the Seleucids) established by the Hasmoneans in 140BC. They gained more autonomy until conquered by Pompey in 63BC and reorganized as a Roman client kingdom. Shortly thereafter, Herod usurped the kingdom from the Hasmoneans. After its conversion to a Roman province in 6AD, the name "Judea" was preservedl. Well, until Hadrian decided to go with the older Egyptian/Assyrian/Greek-derived name in 132, after YA Jewish revolt, the third significant one in say, 70 years. Hence the diaspora.
As a former US Army combat arms soldier, enlisted and later commissioned, from what I've seen I'd say Hamas is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs. Given how small the area is professional Israeli forces can absolutely secure control and destroy Hamas. Doing so will of course take time and come with costs. However after what those deranged barbarians did to a great many defenseless Israeli civilians, and many children, we are about to find out how this ends. Israel has no choice but to terminate Hamas.
I'll add (after initial comment) I of course hate seeing innocent Palestinian lives destroyed but recognize the harm results fundamentally from Hamas now using them as human shields. Hamas brings nothing but death and misery to everyone. I hope once Hamas has been destroyed Palestinians in Gaza can find a path to peace with their neighbors.
And your opinion, stated civilly and intelligently, is both welcome and allowed. On the "other side", interestingly enough, that would not be the case. Funny how that works, huh?
Thank you for keeping the discussion open.
It's interesting how everyone has a narrative of "deranged HAMAS barbarians attacking poor Israeli civilians" totally ignore one more far frightening point - Israel has spent decades suppressing and attacking the Palestinians. This action by HAMAS is as much as a provocation as much as it is a "lashing out" at their tormentors.
Hamas just demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history. You cannot hope for peace with deranged barbarians and there is clearly no excuse or rationalization which justifies their blood lust and savagery. While a relatively small number of noisy protesters are embracing Hamas' killings, likely due to political prejudice, the rest of the world views them as the hateful monsters they just proved they are, no doubt.
You're lied to about every war since you been alive but now believe this nonsense?
One can't un-brainwash the brain washed. And when they are thick it's even more of a task.
Give your fairy tales a rest. Your ignorance is glaring, but understandable considering where you from. with massive brainwashing and a low education base.
The jews do not want peace and never will. Their greed, their love of power will be their downfall.
I agree with you. We can discuss about the root causes why Palestinians in Gaza are so radicalised but radicalised they are to the level of complete fundamentalism. The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc. Israelis have no choice but to defend event though they are undoubtedly to be blamed for this situation
For the Israeli's, it's the same: "The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc." (Maybe the Israeli population growth is not extreme in all segments of society.)
Actually, I think Hamas has shown both acute cunning and extraordinary intelligence in its plan (which is still developing as we speak). And BTW they were under strict orders not to harm civilians. So if that happened, and I am not yet convinced it did, it was done by Hamas soldiers disobeying their orders.
If Israeli soldiers enter Gaza in force, they will most likely incur huge losses as Hamas is waiting for them with their own plans. And such an invasion would likely bring new forces into the battle - Hezbollah, for starters.
My problem, as always, is in the propaganda and censorship apparatus of the Jewish state. At this point, it's being pretty equally applied back here in the US as well. We have no clue what is happening there, and generally never do. Stories that do not serve Israeli national interests are not generated from within its borders. Or even a bit outside - judging by that Reuters story "killed by fire from the direction of Israel..."
Hubris and lies: "Hamas just demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history" ( a few hundred, mainly military, dead is nowhere near a mass slaughter).
Whereas the ashkeNAZI demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history decades ago and repeated it roughly every decade thereafter.
The zionists are not even real Jews from 12 tribes but are the same people as the Ukrainian Nazis from same exact region and they were forced to pick a Abrahamic religion in the 7th century or else by the emperor. Many chose Judism which was closest to pegan religion they were following at the time. They screwed things up and got on shit list with everyone else thus need for Israel. All these white ashkeNAZI "jews" were purged from the region or worse.
Everything you wrote, except from the last sentence, is equally true for the Israeli side of the equation. And the Zionists were the first ones to engage in terrorist activities in order to establish this state and to steal the land from its owners, wether you call them Palestinians or Arabs. On a side note, so called settlers who continued the land theft can hardly be called innocents, and if they brought families with them they are hiding behind non combatants as well.
@Cruising Economist
(Quote) "they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history."
Nope. Not even in the top 10 ethnic killing sprees of the last 200 years. Aren't economists supposed to have math skills?
Lets hope your economic insights are more informed then your geopolitical ones 😳🤦♀️
Not just a few and they are inside the gates.
There are somewhat large pro-Palestinian demonstrations going on in Europe as well as in the U.S. Example of one near me: https://michiganadvance.com/2023/10/15/hundreds-rally-in-dearborn-to-support-a-free-palestine-amid-israel-gaza-war/
We can thank our political elites and their Immigration and Political policies that brand anyone criticizing the wisdom of bring these people in as racists / bigots.
Hamas would have been much more successful at getting their message out to the world audience if they had acted with more restraint. Prison revolt/escape or whatever people choose to call it is fine. But when you start mass murdering civilians then this is no longer a correct description.
What remains is to see how far Hamas went in senseless bloodlust. Currently, information is heavily being propagandized. I think what we know now with enough certainly shows that what Hamas did was way beyond the pale. But it'll be a long time before the lies and propaganda can be sorted out.
"Hamas would have been much more successful at getting their message out to the world audience if they had acted with more restraint."
yeah, let's just keep living under occupation for another 50 years to the future!
So, what are you? Amerikan?
You do know that you too, are considered an infidel, and would not be spared by Islamic extremists.
@Inisfad
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"you too, are considered an infidel, and would not be spared by Islamic extremists."
I'm considered an infidel and would not be spared by neopagans/"aryans" living in compounds around Oregon, Washington and Idaho, as well as a bunch hanging out in New Jersey, Indiana, Norway, Sweden, Finland and the Baltics. What of it?
The controlling and speech suppressing actions of the globalist west are not the fault of Israel. Indeed in the U.K. we natives, here for 10,000 years, are so stymied that we can’t even propose any pale males for important jobs.
The fact is that the Jews have been in ‘the promised land’ for millennia. ‘Palestinians’ have many homelands - Syria is more than half ‘Palestinian’ I believe.
The underlying objective of the whole Moslem world is to wipe Jew and gentile off the face of the earth. They state it openly and repeatedly. President Putin, a gentile, should consider that point.
Can you read? If so how have you missed the pivotal mission of Islam?
BTW the ‘First Minister of Scotland’s wife is from Gaza’. Seems these Palestinians have no problem finding lands to which to go - the whole of Europe is available to them ….
I have good friends who are Muslim and I know they have no desire to harm anyone for differing views so I'll disagree when you say the "whole Muslim world". However I understand your point when it comes to radical, intolerant, hateful Muslims. And I'll add they also want to destroy those of us who hold no religious views even though we are accepting of any peaceful person's views.
The big problem is that Islam does not accept apostates. So in asking those with no religious views to identify themselves, you are literally telling them to put their lives on the line. A shopkeeper in Birmingham wished somebody a Happy Easter and was killed by Islamist who considered him an apostate.
There are some sick people out there, no doubt.
Yeah, and the US military signs them up.
I should have made clear that Birmingham, Britain’s second city is part of the Caliphate.
It is interesting and tragic that Islam spawns so many hateful, intolerant and violent believers. I'd just stay away from them if possible, as with any such people no matter their motive.
Ah, finally learned something new worth knowing, thanks, Lynn (even if it wasn't what you were trying to do).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya
It’s common knowledge. Or should be. They kill apostates, that’s how they terrorise their own people. Look up ‘cutting of of noses in islam’ and you will see why the women are covered - to hide the abuse.
You are wrong.
Message to The Israeli People:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBumTNZvVvk&t=2s
Im in the UK in Northern England. The lies & propaganda in our media against the Palestinians is disgusting. The Pro Israeli media isn't a surprise considering, it's Jews who run or own every big media outfit. It results in any given crime by a Muslim, getting a lot more publicity & everything that goes with it. Than any other race, do much do as in America the largest race of people in prison are black. In the UK they're Muslim. Of course there are some extremist vile Muslim people. Just as there is with every race in this country. Everything thst is wrong with Britain isn't the Muslims fault. We've had the same political party for the past 14 years. You'd expect by now they'd have implimented their plans for our country. If they have they're not working, by the way it's our leaders who are encouraging this mass immigration & no one else. Despite their lies, they love seeing the numbers of immigrants walking or travelling through 4 or 5 EU countries. Then crossing the channel to come here. All males no females, decide to go through all of those EU countries to come here. Why would that be unless they'd had an invite. This country is exactly the way the politicians want it to be. The top end get richer & richer & pull any strings they want. The rest of us can suffer & say nothing.
I’m in northern England. The army arriving is for a purpose certainly. The UN only acknowledges Moslems can be ‘asylum seekers’. Our idiot politicians, many of them not British, have no genetic interest in the British nation’s survival.
Work out the rest yourself.
"The fact is that the Jews have been in ‘the promised land’ for millennia. ‘Palestinians’ have many homelands - Syria is more than half ‘Palestinian’ I believe."
Excuse me? SOME Jews have been in the 'promised land' for millennia. You completely ignored the huge Jewish diaspora located primarily in Western lands and among whom the Zionists rose and also control most of the media which has been suppressing free speech. They also, using the tool of 'anti-semitism' and the idea of the so-called Holocaust, have exercised inordinate political power to influence the definition of 'anti-semitism' itself along with 'hate' speech, along with 'thought crimes'. All of which can be summarised in the saying "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize".
There is a British diaspora, that does not negate the fact that we have occupied these islands for 10,000 years at least (when the channel flooded and we were caught).
Was anyone arguing against that? Certainly I wasn't. Perhaps, you need to re-read my reply to you - it concerned Jews, not British.
Principles are applicable universally. And incidentally the native British are NOT recognized by that august body, the UN.
Certainly The Holocaust Narrative was constructed for political agenda.
https://www.fidelitypress.org/the-holocaust-narrative
As far as I know, Syria became a huge refugee nation for Palestinians AFTER THE NAKBA, and since that attempt to ethnically cleanse Palestine, yes, most of the Palestinians were literally driven into other lands, and thus there are several countries with a high Palestinian population. But that's only since 1948.
On the other hand, Israel's population is mostly flown-in from all over the world since that same year, and a huge percentage has dual citizenship as far as I know.
You propose that having been driven from your homeland and having no place on earth to call your own is an advantage 😂🤣? Well what a relief because hats left of the white population will have to squat in othe r people’s lands and pray every night that they are allowed to live another day, sooner rather than later.
Yes my personal and professional experience also
You have had too many Covid jabs!😱
I think your view is not wrong. However, I'd ask you to look into how or why Hamas was created. And, what sort of conditions do people have to suffer where they elect (yes - ELECT) Hamas as a government.
The fundamental difference in the viewpoints here, is those that see Hamas's attack as an action, or those who see it as a reaction. Across the global South, most see the attack with a "well what did you expect", whereas in most of the western world its an unprovoked, shocking, surprise terrorist attack
As a parting word - I can think of worse things in this world than to be born to a mother in the Gaza strip. But not many.
I watched a number of the videos, which are among the most horrifying attacks I've ever seen. Those mentally disturbed monsters were clearly enjoying the bloodshed (at times literally smiling), I suspect because it made them feel powerful. Mentally healthy human beings have trouble understanding their evil because we don't suffer from their sickness. And don't think for a minute they care about innocent Palestinians either, abusive psychopaths like those composing Hamas couldn't be more self centered and remorseless. If they did care they wouldn't use Palestinian civilians as human shields to try and avoid the inevitable consequences of their targeting and slaughtering helpless civilians.
BTW, I served as a professional soldier and I think it fair to say most of us did our job in large part to serve as protectors of the innocent and defenseless. Once you've been trained and equipped to employ violence in an organized and professional fashion you come to understand that responsibility. You can be sure professional Israeli soldiers are going to be highly motivated as they destroy those sick, hateful thugs. No doubt some Israeli soldiers knew innocent civilians, including many children and young people, who were targeted and slain. The targeted slaughter of children certainly sealed Hamas' fate. No attempted excuse or rationalization is going to save those sick killers. At this point it doesn't matter why they are mentally ill.
How many civilians did the US and its vassals kill in Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan, Serbia?
Presumably you, as a "professional soldier" with a conscience, refused any orders that would involve killing civilians, but clearly huge numbers of your fellows did not -- just as large numbers of Israelis have happily participated in genocide against civilian Palestinians for 70+ years.
Like Putin and Israel, (and Britain in the Boer War) you try to clear the battlefield of civilians by asking them to evacuate. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink!
If Hamas were actually composed of capable, brave fighters they'd go fight the Israelis in the open desert where no innocent people would be harmed. Instead they hide behind Palestinian women and children to try and avoid consequences for their horrific ethnic slaughter, which clearly isn't going to work this time. Hamas brings death and misery to everyone.
Exactly like the boers who fought the first guerrilla war - took Britain by surprise but when we worked out the new rules we ‘concentrated Boer women and children in camps’ to keep them safe and off the battlefield. We were 6,000 miles from home.
The death and misery is the point. Clausewitz might have been repulsed but would have understood it as "politics by other means".
My dad was an insurance claims guy, did a lot of lit. His thing was "claims don't go away". You pay them now or pay more later. Very close analogy to this situation.
Ah, good old Britain and the Boer War, where it invented the concentration camp to hold the Boers whom Britain had forced off the Boer's land -- and then killed huge numbers through starvation and disease and abuse in those concentration camps.
To be fair, I really shouldn't take all credit for the invention from the US, which had previously done the same thing to the American Indians and used the concentration camps (aka "reservations") to exterminate many of those Indians.
Not to be surpassed, the Jews created the Gaza Strip as the largest modern concentration camp to hold the Palestinians whom they forced off the Palestinians land, to give them the same genocidal treatment as the US gave the Indians and the Brits gave the Boers. Of course not all Palestinians got that treatment -- the Jews invading Palestine rounded up a lot of the men and simply shot them out of hand.
So wrong. The boxes clim to this day that the British ground glass and fed it to their women. In fact they had dysentery - if we had wanted to kill them we could have just shot them. But that does not align to your anti-white dehumanising agenda.
Evacuate where, into the atmosphere?
They are surrounded by Moslem states who support them. They could have been taken to safety by sea and via Egypt. Why do the ‘supporters of Palestinians’ refuse them asylum? For the pictures of their distress? Just yo give you an indication of the inhumanity of Hamas etc.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Are civilian lives destroyed in all wars? Of course, and that is one of the reasons war should be avoided if at all possible. However in professional military forces laws and the ROE are enforced in an attempt to minimize so called "collateral damage" and war crimes. Hamas' targeted slaughter of defenseless civilians is obviously the act of hateful mentally disturbed monsters, not professional military forces, and they are now going to be destroyed as consequence. Israelis are doing every innocent soul on our planet a service by ending that evil, not that more won't sprout up eventually, tragically.
I will note DC's actions and behavior are a huge problem for both the American people and the world. Nothing I say is an attempt to support anything DC does anymore.
You should be careful of your assumptions about others. I served in Vietnam, though not with US. So, I do have a few clues about war.
I understand about civilian lives lost in wars, but made the point that the US has killed millions of civilians in wars which the US chose to start in Iraq, Lybia, Serbia, Syria and Afghanistan. And the killing of civilians was done by "professional" US soldiers, airmen, sailors and drone jockeys sitting in the US.
None of those countries posed any material threat to the US. Afghanistan was a short-term legitimate target immediately after 911 when the Taliban refused to surrender Bin Laden, and (assuming the conventional story of 911 is true) that would have justified a retaliatory strike against the Taliban government -- but not a 20 year occupation killing wedding parties in pursuit of continual profits for the MIC.
I am sure that it feels no less thuggish to a civilian whether they and their family are killed or maimed by someone you regard as a thug or they are killed or maimed by a "professional soldier" pulling the trigger as the behest of some thuggish politician or bureaucrat.
I was talking about ops, in my experience, at the platoon level. If you want to talk about how destructive DC's policies have been across the globe you'll get no argument from me. I'm horrified by DC's behavior, which is in fact utterly unlawful more often than not. And now self serving criminal authoritarians installed themselves in the Executive Branch during the last "election", which of course became perfectly evident the minute vote counting stopped in states which were about to determine the election. DC is utterly toxic both for the American people and world. I'm presently working to leave the country because of it. Obviously I'd have nothing to do with the US military today, and I now advise young people to avoid any involvement with the US military.
Cruising Economist: "Hamas' targeted slaughter of defenseless civilians is obviously the act of hateful mentally disturbed monsters, not professional military forces ..."
Where is your evidence that Hamas engaged in a targeted slaughter of defenseless citizens? I can summarize my entire experience of the Viet Nam War (27 months plus one day) as: When you find yourself part of an invading force in a foreign land fighting patriots, it's time for a reality check on your world view.
My reality check led me to a career as a lawyer. Law, with its emphasis on evidence, was just what I needed. I believe wholeheartedly that your strong opinions are in drastic need of evidence and failing to find it, you should change your opinions.
Read the newspapers. It’s uncontested fact.
We can also add the USS Maine, Lusitania, and Gulf of Tonkin to your list of false flags which served as the casus belli for all Banker's Wars raging for over a century. Technically, we can go back as far as our so called "Civil War" which could be more accurately described as the War of Northern Imperialism.
Seeing as how all of those wars were sold to the American public based on pure fabrications, it is even more enraging and tragic.
In the case of engineered collapse of Libya, it might've been a suicidal case of unintentionally setting off the destruction of the West. Or deliberate.
For decades, it was solely because of Qaddaffi's policies which prevented millions of sub-Saharan Africans from fleeing the endless cycle of coups, civil wars and regional conflicts engineered by the Blob in Washington and overrunning Europe.
It was also Libya's grand strategy of creating a new currency backed by Gold and the aspirations of forging a Pan-African Federation which would have brought economic prosperity to Africa which got Qaddaffi targeted for regime change and assassination by the Cabal behind Obama and Clinton.
This latest round of warmongering against the Russian, Chinese, Arab and Persian and West African nations will signal the eschaton of the Zio-Anglo-American Empire.
Let's hope that Christ will return before the Dajjal - the Antichrist - causes this worldwide conflict from erupting into nuclear warfare.
At that was German Europe attacking Serbia! The RAF was in the air with the Luftwaffe bombing our anti-Nazi wartime allies. Proof of it were needed that the U.K. did not exist at all for nearly 50 years and resurgent Germany and it’s traditional values, was calling the shots. Germany also unilaterally and gains EU law recognized its wartime ally Croatia, that ethnically pure country where the football players form the swastika on the terraces to this day.
" I served as a professional soldier and I think it fair to say most of us did our job in large part to serve as protectors of the innocent and defenseless. Once you've been trained and equipped to employ violence in an organized and professional fashion you come to understand that responsibility. "
That's B.S. We killed nearly 3.5 million civilians in Viet Nam, around a million in Iraq.
Those individuals were dehumanized. Gooks and hajis. Or ragheads. Just making the point with the offensive terms.
Definitely never happened in Iraq, Afghanistan or Vietnam.. Native American? Endless footage to suggest otherwise in all our recent conflicts: Bombing weddings, AC130 cutting down kids in the street, targeted assassination ? Sponsoring the Contras or the host of people just like this all across South America and the world. The magnatue of your hypocrisy is staggering. We do this all the time, but when someone does it to us 🫨🫨🫨🫨🫨
Freedom fighting when we do it....Terrorism when you do. It’s the pentagon mantra.
"BTW, I served as a professional soldier and I think it fair to say most of us did our job in large part to serve as protectors of the innocent and defenseless. "
ROTFLMAO
You really cannot make this stuff up...it’s right out of a remedial think tank!!
With reference to "Cruising Economists" virtually everything stated so far has been made up, I assume that includes claims to be ex military. With "Lynn", a great deal is also "contra factual", the flavor is slightly different though- His claim to be a Zululand?! expat is interesting.
I note that the signal to noise ratio in Simplicius comment section changed DRASTICALLY once he started writing about the recent events in (geographical area near Egypt, Syria & Lebanon, insert your preferred name here).
As the comment section was previously quite educational, I suspect the degraded signal here is not accidental.
Here here-- trolls-- nasty ones too!
Lynn is a male? I thought it was a woman, as it has a girls name.
Would be fake anyway, most probably Yoshi or Ari.
They up the army of Hasbarats from 9 to 5 to 7-11 workhours.
And you believe every video coming from Israeli and western propaganda outlets? Must be true just like every video showing cruelty by Assad and Putin, right?
Have you tried to find and see videos of atrocities, abuse and incessant human right violations by Israeli forces and settlers? May be try to hear from those jews who speak against policies of Israel since others can be simply blamed to be antisemitic. Normal Finklestein has written many books, Max Blumenthal has covered Gaza before, there's a channel called Due Dissonance, Gabor Mate has spoken too and there are plenty others.
From what I've seen I'd say the disgraceful Zionist Occupying military & the US military is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs
You are clearly profoundly prejudiced and ignorant of the reality of professional military forces. While I won't defend DC's behavior, which is increasingly reprehensible both domestically and overseas, US soldiers are (or at least were when I was serving) highly disciplined and professional. Sick thugs like those composing Hamas seldom make it past initial entry examination and if they do they are quickly identified and eliminated from the service, in my experience. Once operating with their regular unit soldiers are prevented from acting outside the law and ROE by leadership, both commissioned officers and NCO's; though that is seldom necessary since they are trained and disciplined. I have no doubt this is true of Israel's military forces. So while you are free to spout your nonsense understand all you do is expose your lack of experience, ignorance of reality and mindless prejudice when you do.
Doesn't matter whether an individual is a sick thug themselves or they simply comply with the orders of a sick thug. The indisputable fact is that since WWII, the US has imposed more sick thuggery on civilians than any other country. Indeed no one else comes close.
And all done with "professional soldiers".
Oh I don’t know. Stalin did a fine job and the Chinese have a few stories to tell - all post WWII. You also need to remember that the USA and Europe have been hijacked by the recycled Nazis - it was 3rd Reich NAZIs who founded the EU for instance. So the Anglo Saxon world was defeated by its own kindness. We have the NAZIs another chance having got rid of the head of the snake. And thus we have Nuland and Freeland and Schwarb …..
Leaving aside the fact that Anglo Saxons have not been in control of Britain since 1066, what is today referred to as the Anglo Saxon world was hijacked but not by the WWII Nazis. It was hijacked by those with the money, the controllers of banks (see the banks which own the FRB and the City of London, and their correspondents throughout Europe). Nuland is but one of that tribe, as are most of the principal players in Biden's administration, and of course the whole of the Israeli government.
As you say, the West took Nazis into the fold after WWII, seeking their knowledge of the Soviets, their intelligence networks, rocketry, etc and those people no doubt provided self-serving information to their new masters. But they did not generally gain broad power, though Canada may be a bit of an odd case. The masters of banking and finance don't surrender that to anyone else.
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Walter Hallstein - represented Hitler in negotiations with Italian Facsists on post-war Nazi Europe. 1st President of the EU
Heinz Von Falkenstein - Secretary of Hitler’s EUROPE Committee - Director of the European Division of the German FO
Walter Funk - Hitler’s Economics Minister - wrote the blueprint for the European Economic Community
Hans Josef Globke - drafted the Nuremberg Race Laws - Director of Konrad Adenauer’s Office in Bonn
Theodor Heuss - designer of Concentration Camps and supplier of Slave Labour - President of Germany in 1949
Kurt Georg Kissinger - member of the SA; Head of Nazi radio propaganda in Hitler’s FO - Chancellor of Germany 1966
Please realize that Hamas fighters are some of those 8 year old children, born in the concentration camp called Gaza, back in 2014, staring down an Israeli tank and throwing a rock at it. That should garner some respect from any real soldier.
Those 8 year old kids are today's Hamas fighters, slaves of Israhell, who have just busted out of the concentration camp. Inmate rebellions are as violent as the oppression was severe.
You're full of absolutely shit. "Profesional soldiers" my ass. I was with 2/75...I trained leg infantry soldiers all over the country. Your "Profesional soldier" b.s. has to stop. You mother effers were a bunch of undisciplined, drunk, slobs, with a basic understanding of warfare, shooting, and history...high school g.e.d.s were standard.
Your experience is with the people you were with at the time you were in.
Times change. Demographics change. Society changes.
Example: https://www.bitchute.com/video/7bpW8XhjWskM/
My understanding is a lot of good people are dropping their packets and getting out, and recruitment (of healthy patriotic white males) are way down due to former military telling their kids not to join.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsnVukNuMdI
@grr
Nope, Israeli and US military are pretty much made up of typical young men inexperienced enough to think they're immortal, plus senior NCOs who stayed for whatever reasons. And an officer corps who play politics above the entry level, because that's what they have to do.
Unit cohesion is primarily composed of not wanting to be shamed in front of your friends. It's not a logical thought process and certainly has little to no hate involved.
Once you're there, it's about your squad mates, not whatever horse shit the politicians are going on about that week.
All my uncles and grandparents served, none were drafted, I've heard their take on service. (I ended up 4F with a spinal fusion the month I graduated highschool).
Despite his going in @ 17 YO (WWII) the first thing I remember my dad saying after I was out of surgery and awake was, "thank god, you can't ever be drafted now". After WWII and being grabbed back from the reserves for Korea, I figure he knew what was what.
My stepfather who had gone in at 17 in Korea discouraged me vigorously from enlisting in 1990 and wasn't too thrilled about my decision to go to Iraq in 2007. I suppose the experience wasn't so great for him. Lots of shots of him climbing poles and shimmying on wires across rivers (Signal).
A grunt running with a spool of wire draws fire.
I recall one of my acquaintances from home town who went into the signal corps telling me his combat life expectancy was less than 15 minutes ca. 1980.
Cruising Economist: "... after what those deranged barbarians did to a great many defenseless Israeli civilians, and many children ..."
This is from a U.S. Army combat vet with five tours in the Viet Nam War. You would do well to recognize that truth is the first casualty in any war. Here's a cure for your severe case of barbarianitis, courtesy of a mideast scholar: hXXps://www.palestinechronicle.com/israels-license-to-kill-genocidal-campaign-has-been-unleashed-in-gaza/
Hamas' explanation of how civilians were killed rings true to me. hXXps://www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-this-is-why-israeli-civilians-were-killed-in-the-war/
I don't agree with your opinion simply because I know who created Hamas & why Hamas was crested. Which is a glaringly obvious thing you've left out of your comments. I haven't seen anything more barbaric than the attack upon the civilians, who were on the route out of Northern Gaza at the advice of the Israeli gov either. The list goes on & on. Who's fault was it before Hamas was created? On the Ukraine conflict, I'm aware of the fortifications in & around Adveeka. But I feel the Russians have been brilliant in adjusting the way theyre fighting, as they've came up against different problems. We've got to keep reminding ourselves. The Russians are fighting every single top military officer in NATO. As it's their planning their ideas & their help the Ukrainians have been getting this whole conflict. It's also a fact that many of the best special forces personnel of the NATO countries are inside of Ukraine fighting against the Russians. The Russians have adapted to problems really quickly. Which I'm sure has totally shocked the NATO commanders & their obvious arrogance of superiority. All of this means to me, they've got a plan to destroy the men inside the place taking as little casualties as possible. They're going to shell the place 24/7 for weeks. They'll encircle the place cutting off those all important winter supplies getting through. Totally demoralize the men inside of Adveeka.
Why do you feel the need to even introduce yourself as “US Army combat arms soldier”? You think that brings legitimacy to your opinion? The only image of US military since Vietnam is that of a bunch of self aggrandizing, self-overestimating, pompous, arrogant, yet useless losers who are only good at killing civilians by overwhelming force, but then getting defeated, humiliated, and outsmarted by Vietnamese peasants in rice paddies, Afghan tribesmen with kalashnikovs, and hastily assembled Iraqi militiamen. And since WWII, all the US military has done even against lightly armed foes and rebels like these has been to run away while soiling their pants and carrying their PTSD back to the safety of their homes far far and oceans away from the battles, though still burdening the taxpayers with the trillions in costs of the lost wars their government imposed on them. And don’t fool yourself into thinking the IDF is going to fare any better than the delusional brainwashed US military.
Well when you put it that way
I understand the animus against the individual soldiers, but it's not deserved. They are decent soldiers. Being used incorrectly wasn't their fault, certainly. In addition, being made to fight for bad causes is not going to show any armed force at its best. Poor screening for mental toughness has been a problem my entire life re: pants shitting. I never shat in Iraq. I didn't want to be fighting that war for that reason, but no shitting.
All militaries have within their code that one may disobey an illegal or immoral order.
You, and the others, could have said no. Many did say no, and were villified and even placed in prison. But cowards go with the flow. And then spend the rest of their lives attempting to shroud their cowardice in bullshit; I did it for my country, I was helping the oppressed and other lies.
"All militaries have within their code that one may disobey an illegal or immoral order."
apparently not with US Soldiers, they go in young, the gung-ho ready to kill anyone who threatens the motherland, even those sandals warriors live in far back mountain of Afghanistan who barely had idea what is United States... Then they go old, thinking about all those unfortunates who been killed as collateral damage. And that's how you should talk to them. They want it tough, well, they'd better prepared themselves for the brace. Once, US government is down, civil war breaks out and people will start to kill each other.
You're allowed to refuse to obey unlawful orders, ones that violate UCMJ or one of the conventions the US agreed to. So, if one were ordered to kill a child, that would be refusable. It would have not so pleasant consequences for those who did it, but it's doable.
The most significant instances where individual action was possible were not unlawful orders. For instance: it was a policy in the area I was in to implode abandoned dwellings. The idea was that they could be used as bases to perform insurgent attacks. Now, mostly these homes were abandoned because of the fighting by people who had no interest in warfare. Our destruction of their home was adding insult to injury in most cases. But it wasn't an unlawful order and refusing to carry it out would involve a long stretch in prison at the least.
Not liking the politics of your country doesn't have a cure unless you want to expatriate or claim conscientious objector status, which is hard if you aren't a pacifist in the US. I'm not.
In the case of the USA being ordered to go to an illegal war is an order that can be refused. Just participating, not killing or destructing (maybe a radio operator) classes one as a war criminal. No excuses.
But as stated earlier cowards go along to get along.
Whatever, flaunting your ignorance on a message board makes you happy. Sounds like a mental disorder to me. I've given you all the chance you'll get.
A low level grunt that viewed a war from a trench, then espousing on all things military is laughably the same as a janitor at Boeing educating us in aeronautical engineering.
And then decades later these same cowardly losers whine about their lives and set up sausage sizzles to raise money for themselves. Their victims are forgotten.
Always make that point to them whenever I see that sad spectacle.
As a former US army combat arms soldier : Beep red flag !
"As a former US Army combat arms soldier, enlisted and later commissioned, from what I've seen I'd say Hamas is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs."
SOUNDS like the description of US Army, NATO, ISIS, IDF, Al-Qaeda, as far as AFU to me.... ahhh they were all trained by our beloved friends at CIA...
One state is the solution. A state called Palestine.
Message to the Israeli People:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBumTNZvVvk&t=2s
Only solution is two state solution...yea for sure...
Would work if Hamas themselves would accept Israel's existence.
Well considering that it's now confirmed fact that Hamas was not only created by Israel but is actively funded by them to this day, it's an interesting proposition.
Israel thought Hamas would be a counterbalance to the PLO on the West Bank. They tolerated the attacks from Gaza as they tolerated attacks from the West Bank. To paraphrase my favorite movie line, "They chose poorly".
So doubling and tripling down doesn’t seem to be paying off
No Israel wanted Hamas to neutralize the PLO-- Check out Bibi's 2019 statement to that fact-
Mandela created a force and taught it to fund itself by hijacking vehicles carrying cash to banks. When he became President, he told them they could stop robbing banks - but they never did … Mandela pulled the levers of power - and nothing happened.
Strange, isn't it. The US and Israel created the monster that is the Palestinian branch of Hamas, yet the cynical politicians like Bibi who did this are some how champions of democracy and freedom. They have a right to defend themselves against their monster.
I don't think you could get a cigarette paper between the Mustache Man and Bibi which is just a little ironic considering that if the Mustache Man never existed either would Israel and thank God, Bibi could never have been its Prime Minister.
I disagree Yosef. The two-state solution blinks past the Palestinian right of return to their homes, which under the 4th Geneva Convention is inalienable. The two-state solution also blinks past the fact that all Palestinian residents since the British Trust Territory of Palestine was established (not just a Jewish subset) have the right of self-determination of their form of government.
"States have consistently emphasized that respect for the territorial integrity of a non-self-governing territory is a key element of the exercise of the right to self-determination under international law. The Court considers that the peoples of non-self-governing territories are entitled to exercise their right to self-determination in relation to their territory as a whole, the integrity of which must be respected by the administering Power. It follows that any detachment by the administering Power of part of a non-self-governing territory, unless based on the freely expressed and genuine will of the people of the territory concerned, is contrary to the right to self-determination."
Legal Consequences of the Separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius in 1965, International Court of Justice (25 February 2019), pg. 38, https://www.icj-cij.org/files/case-related/169/169-20190225-01-00-EN.pdf; see also V. Gudeleviciute, Does the Principle of Self-Determination Prevail over the Principle of Territorial Integrity?, 2:2 Int. J. Baltic Law (2005), pp. 57-58, https://www.tamilnet.com/img/publish/2009/10/Gudeleviciute.pdf. ("This language clearly covers merger and secession but the right to decide belongs to the whole population of a particular territorial unit. However, it is a very pragmatic view of the international community for preventing disorder because under a “speedy decolonization” it is almost impossible to consider every opinion of every ethnic group: who wants to unite with whom and who wants to secede. ... The principle of self-determination prevails only under the condition that the term “a people” means the entire population of non-self-governing territory").
So we can see that the right of self-determination belongs to all citizens within the boundaries set by the British Trust Territory of Palestine, which includes Israel, Palestine, and Trans-Jordan.
The U.N. Partition Plan is a nullity. That Plan, the public genesis of the so-called two-state solution, was only a General Assembly recommendation for action to be taken by the Security Council. [1] And the Security Council never acted upon it, largely because of unanimous Arab nation objections that it violated the right of Palestinian self-determination included in the U.N. Charter, equally applicable to all Mandate Territories and former colonies. [2]
Those who push for a two-state solution are either ignorant of the controlling law or are dishonest.
[1] UNGA RES/181(II) (29 November 1947), https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253 ("The General Assembly … Requests that … The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation").
[2] U.N. Charter, Article 73, http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/un-charter-full-text/
When people say Palestinian right of return to their homes, they mean second and third-generation children and grandchildren of Palestinians who were driven out. This is extremely disingenuous. Most of these people have never been where they declare and right to "return" to. Should descendants of Germans previously living in Kaliningrad and all the western Polish provinces have a right to return? There are thousands of such borders and people having been displaced.
Well, that then settles the Jews' right to colonise Palestine. Their claim to this territory goes back 2000+ years, that's, eh, let's see, some 8000 generations at the very least? I don't think I'll be able to write that many "great-great-great-great"s here actually.
Besides, what exactly happened in these 2000 years? Are these people really the descendants of someone who lived there 2000 years ago? Can they prove that? And does it mean that Rome gets the whole of Europa back?
I do not support Jewish right to colonise Palestine and all arguments going back to King David and whatnot are rubbish. But the error was made in 1948. The Jews born in Israel are not colonizers. They are native.
I would hardly call the Nakba an "error".
Does it matter? A rose by any other name. The issue is that we cannot redress a previous error/atrocity by committing a new one. It is genocidal rhetoric to call the native-born inhabitants of a country for settlers.
@Rune
Yes, the British empire was VERY good at sowing dissension among populations whose lands they wished to subjugate. The echoes of that bit of work they only mildly backed over 150 years ago in USA are still being heard.
Rune, I can't to the situation in Kaliningrad and Poland. I have not studied that issue.
But you've missed the rights of inheritance, not to mention that there are still some living who were driven out.
It might aid your thinking to consider some legal history. Even under the former law of conquest abolished by the U.N. Charter, a change in sovereign did not change land ownership, as recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1832: “It may not be unworthy of remark that it is very unusual, even in cases of conquest, for the conqueror to do more than to displace the sovereign and assume dominion over the country. The modern usage of nations, which has become law, would be violated; that sense of justice and of right which is acknowledged and felt by the whole civilized world would be outraged if private property should be generally confiscated and private rights annulled. The people change their allegiance; their relation to their ancient sovereign is dissolved; but their relations to each other and their rights of property, remain undisturbed.” United States v. Percheman, 32 U.S. 51, 86-87, 7 Pet. 51, ___ (1832) (early statement of the Law of Succession.
Later treaties codified that right. For example, the Convention (IV) Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (“4th Geneva Convention”) speaks repeatedly to that subject. See e.g., Article 49: “Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.” https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.33_GC-IV-EN.pdf
Under Article 8 the right of return is a right that Palestinians may not renounce: “Protected persons may in no circumstances renounce in part or in entirety the rights secured to them by the present Convention, and by the special agreements referred to in the foregoing Article, if such there be.”
And under Articles 7 and 47 any government-negotiated “swap” of territory cannot lawfully affect land (including water rights) ownership protected by the convention:
Article 7: “No special agreement shall adversely affect the situation of protected persons, as defined by the present Convention, nor restrict the rights which it confers upon them.”
Article 47: “Protected persons who are in occupied territory shall not be deprived, in any case or in any manner whatsoever, of the benefits of the present Convention by any change introduced, as the result of the occupation of a territory, into the institutions or government of the said territory, nor by any agreement concluded between the authorities of the occupied territories and the Occupying Power, nor by any annexation by the latter of the whole or part of the occupied territory.”
The right of return can not lawfully be negotiated away by the State of Palestine. That Israel and the U.S. would have it do so simply blinks past the controlling law.
But the answer to the legality of the question of Israel's colonization of the Occupied Territory is not ambiguous: Under the 4th Geneva Convention's Article 47: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." See also the explanatory 1955 commentary on Article 47: “During the Second World War whole populations were excluded from the application of the laws governing occupation and were thus denied the safeguards provided by those laws and left at the mercy of the Occupying Power. In order to avoid a repetition of this state of affairs, the authors of the Convention made a point of giving these rules an absolute character.” https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/Comment.xsp?action=openDocument&documentId=C4712FE71392AFE1C12563CD0042C34A
And indeed, Israel's current colonial policies in regard to Palestine harshly echo Nazi Germany's policy of lebensraum relied upon to displace (and often liquidate) property of citizens of occupied territories, placing Article 47's prohibition against colonization of occupied territories squarely on point.
This law is not disingenuous. What is disingenuous is Israel's dispossession of Palestinian landowners and their heirs.
The problem is that you have two groups of people claiming title to land. You can throw all the international law you want in the face of that, it's meaningless without a hegemon to enforce it. We seem to be running short of hegemons.
The old-fashioned way of dealing with these issues was war. I think the old fashioned way is pretty effective, actually. Maybe the only effective way.
Israel is holding Gaza hostage by cutting off water, electricity, fuel and essential supplies to Gaza. Hamas has to release all hostages to get those services back. Did the people of Gaza not realize their very existence depended on the good offices of Israel? Now, they are getting a very rude awakening. Israel has told Gaza civilians to leave Gaza city and move south. They can’t go to Egypt. President Abdel el-Sisi hates the Muslim brotherhood and Hamas is part of that movement. He built a high wall on the Gaza border. Knowing their propensity to dig tunnels he made the wall extend deep underground. Other Arab states don’t seem to want Palestinians either. Jordan kicked the PLO out on Black September (1970). They went to Lebanon and that didn’t go well.
I don’t know the fate of the people who elected Hamas to govern them, but it won’t be pretty. Tough. They cheered when their brave warriors decapitated babies, killed hundreds of peaceniks, and thought they had achieved a great victory. I suspect that the Iranian response will be vocal but won’t result in Hezbollah attacking Israel. The Mullah’s problem is that their pet terrorist group in Gaza committed and filmed so many atrocities that they horrified people across the world. Had Hamas attacked military targets, it might have scored a propaganda victory. But it chose to attack civilians in Nazi fashion. That was, as they say, bad for business.
"They cheered when their brave warriors decapitated babies..." This claim has been debunked. There is no proof that any such thing happened. Even the White House had to walk back President Biden's remarks about the matter. Israeli photos of "burned babies" turned out to be AI fakes.
There is a great deal of propaganda floating around. We need to double check and verify EVERYTHING, from both sides. Arguing about things that are not true is not productive.
Actually, nothing has been "debunked". Propaganda is flying like crazy. I've seen that AI fakes and that they are not fakes, and that AI fake detection is not always reliable. I've heard eye witnesses. We do know the attack by Hama on civilians was brutal.
It has been definitely disproven. Even your genocidal, cowardly heroes on the IOF said so.
both the Israeli government and the CNN journo who originally reported it have now officially backtracked.
Jeannie "We do know the attack by Hama on civilians was brutal."
Where is your evidence that Hamas attacked civilians? https://www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-this-is-why-israeli-civilians-were-killed-in-the-war/
Are you kidding? You think all the pictures, video, and reporting was fake?
Nobody was kidnapped or killed? The people crying over lost children from the Hamas attack are paid actors?
It would appear that your sole purpose here is to frame Hamas us brutal inhuman terrorists and extend that to the Palestinians generally....
This is in fact what we find every time the issue comes up. Swarms of concern trolls Unit 8600 types (or whatever) come a knocking in order to influence the views of regulars... All’s fair in love and war I suppose.... but in the end Metal talks and BS walks. Do your worst.
That is not my sole purpose, but I must ask, are you denying the brutality of Hamas?
Those barbarians don't need framing by anyone. Their uncivilized actions speak for themselves. And so does anyone's who defends them.
They were in Boutcha Ukraine
What we have is witness testimony that they were extremely civilised and did no harm. What we also have is wild claims, which hopefully still do not constitute facts. A picture of a puppy that was photoshopped over with some charred stuff is also only proof of faked atrocity propaganda, and only further points to the total rubbishness of the claim.
And what we know above all, is that Israel has gotten away with the most atrocious crimes against humanity since decades, so they obviously will feel very emboldened to claim whatever they feel like, as Western MSM has been a complete sell-out since the very start, and only whitewashed all their crimes, and immediately aggrandised and screamed out all their claims.
That's not a history to be wiped away, and it would be extremely disingenuous if we would suddenly pretend that there's a level playing field here and say that only from this moment we're going to have equal commentary, pretending there's no past.
The disproving can be founded on the uncontested premise that that counterfeit nation (which refuses to define its borders) seems to be a recalcitrant liar and deceiver and has yet to do anything other than lie and propagate falsehoods.
Maybe that nation and its people (in a collective sense) qualify themselves as the synagogue of satan referred to in the Bible.
And IOF attacks on Palestinian civilians is never brutal, it is gentle. Your moral compass is sick and twisted.
From what I can tell you are addressing a particularly long-winded agent of that propaganda
Most of the suspended MSNBC anchors aren't Arabs. Mehdi Hasan is Indian Muslim while Ali Velshi is an Iranian.
There would be no ground offensive. Israel will use American supplied bunker busting bombs to reach Hamas fighters hiding underground.
Euro-American media propaganda has no effect on the Global South and increasingly inside the collective West it is failing to deceive. That is why Benny Boy Shapiro is melting down and blasting Tucker Carlson
A tunnel is a net-work. The benefit of a net, is its resilience against brakes.
Even without the old tunnels, once the IDF is in Gaza new passages can be formed. Bombed out rubble is a defenders best friend. Go back to the siege of Leningrad in WW2, Putin's hometown by the way, where his mother lost a son, an older brother to Putin. Gaza is hitting Putin hard.
If the tunnel is really secure and deep, not just a hole, it needs generators, lines of communication and fresh air being pumped down.
Bunker busters definitely will disrupt all that.
You are correct, but how many 5000 pound bunker busters does Israel have?and how many 2000 pound guided missiles does HizbAllah have pointed at Amonia tank farms in Hifa and the Dimona Plant?
The boxer is required to punch his aponent and equally required is his ability to take a punch. Can the Israeli population take a punch? They are already leaving on planes.
This time Israel has gone to far, it has arrayed against her many neighbors with big debts to settle and a weak US and a non factor Europe. The world will finally witness the barbarity of the 5000 pounders and the US Zionist controlled government will be exposed, again, for its deeds in Vietnam and Iraq.
All Israel and her friends really have is a very good lies generating machine. In addition Israel has no reverse gear and I think this time they will drive themselves into a mud hole.
But they are all Moslem? That religion transcends race - it’s globalist like all other authoritarian movements posing as religious or not.
Truly, the Two State solution is the only way, but you have pinpointed the major problem, which is the very low birth rate of the Ashkenazi...Only the ultra Orthodox are having enough kids, and they tend to be fanatical...The same is true in the US, but also many jews out-marry in the US, (which produces much healthier kids because the Ashkenazi are very inbred already)..I speak as one who has taught many jewish kids, and has become aware of this problem...But really, this portrayal of either side as sub-human is highly offensive and ridiculous...A while back, we sold an old piano to a young couple for essentially nothing..he was Palestinian, she was Jewish, and they were very much in love..She wanted the piano to further her husband's musical pursuits....
Have you heard of the Chillingham Herd? A 800 years ago (approx) they happened to be in a square mile (approx) which gains approval to be encircled by a wall as a defence against those who lived in the Scottish Borders. That herd has been enclosed ever since and they are now a specific genus according to Darwin who visited them. They are now clones - and every calf born is inspected by the herd, and defect causes them to kill it.
The Chillingham herd have never been touched by human hand. They are immune form BSE and every other viral killer.
Forget the ‘inbreeding’ argument.
Thanks for informing me about the Chillingham Herd, no I had not heard of it, and although it's a bit off topic, a fascinating topic none the less.
I'm no expert, but deleterious inbreeding is a thing, although environmental factors may go some way to ameliorating it. The classic human example is of course the Hapsburgs, culminating in King Charles II "The Cursed" of Spain. Mentally and physically disabled, he seems to be strong proof that a family can only marry its own cousins, nephews and nieces for so long before the account has to be settled. A few more palace coups and assassinations could have done that dynasty the world of good, environmental factors culling the herd.
Well they allowed a ‘defect’. The wild cattle do not allow defects. The argument that nations must be destroyed is one I oppose. Nations are people who are related to each other, not people who ‘live in the same place’.
Living in your own nation in your own homeland is critical for survival - you have a genetic interest in each other survival.
More racial supremacy. You are showing your true colours again.
😂🤣your calling these wild white cattle ‘white supremacists?’ Hey - maybe you are right! They refuse to be touched.
I don't disagree at all..But that doesn't mean you have to practice inbreeding..there's plenty of genetic diversity in most nations..The problem with Israel and Ashkenazi is that it's a relatively small group that has been inbreeding for centuries..There's nothing wrong with jews marrying gentiles, and it quite obviously makes for healthier children....
Wait.
Did you just use the example of cows to “prove” that inbreeding of Ashkenazi Jews has no negative effects?
Cows? Really? 😂
Yeah, interesting it chose a direct comparison with a dumb animal LOL
So dumb that they have survived 800 years with no input. Wish all you recipients of western aid could go 8 days!
Where does mad cow disease enter the picture ?
Pardon me for prion, hope I didn’t misfold anything
Interesting! But the genetic problems of inbreeding are extremely well documented...For example, having children with a 1st cousin reduces the IQ of the child, on the average, by 5 points...These obvious defects caused the Catholic Church to ban marriages of relationships closer than the 4th cousin...Doctors in our urban area are quite familiar with these problems, though obviously they don't talk about it much...
In England?
You say Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years. Islam is 1,400 years old. The people of Palestine were Pagans and Jews, with Babylonians and others messing around there until Romans took over.
Rome became Christian, so then mostly Jews and Christians. Then Islam came about and took over. Crusades, Bizantium, fighting, and then the Ottoman Empire.
British took over, and then tried to divide their former empire up in ridiculous ways, to please everyone, but failing.
Israel has never had peace with the Muslims, because they are Jews. Islam considers nonbelievers as beneath them.
Remember how the US got the marines? "To the shores of Tripoli?" Islam harassing US ships, because they weren't Muslims. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin got a copy of Koran in English so they could understand, and concluded that there was no negotiating reasonably with Islam.
In 2005, Sharon tried emptying Gaza of Jewish people and military. Money was raised for greenhouses to get an economy going. They were destroyed. Every cent of money sent to Gaza has been used for weapons. They teach their children hate, to kill Jews.
I don't blame Israel for being sick of this. So called Palestinians, let's just call them Gaza Muslims, do not want peace with Israel. It's obvious.
This is about religion. It always has been. Islam does not get along well with others, especially in an area so pathetically radicalized as Gaza.
Other Islamic countries do indeed use them to hurt Israel, but the truth is, they really do not want them as refugees, because they are too radical.
Has Israel clamped down hard on them. Yeah. What would you do? Let them develop more ways to attack you?
You have no understanding of what a NAZI is. Of course a lot of Jews and some with Jewish blood are Nazis - Zelensky for instance.
Actually it much more sophisticated than that. It’s the arbitrary application of the law.
No pre 1990 genocide in SA, just separate development. Even the blacks are saying that things were better under apartheid for them than they have been under the ANC. Do keep up.
Britain partitioned India because we could not stop the Moslems from killing everyone else. It was a nuisance because Hindus etc living in what is now Pakistan had to move, Moslems living in what is now India had to move - but it worked for a long time - it was worth it!
Funny that the latter-day Britains deny this as ‘Evil colonialism’ and prove the actions were wrong by importing any illegal Moslem who cared to fetch up on the U.K. shore.
Well. Now we have millions of Moslems who have created enclaves in the U.K., occupied us. And the same goes for the whole of Europe.
Let’s see how Europe deals with this when it is challenged as Israel is challenged. (Or will be just curl up and die, tired of shouldering the white mans burden?)
You are an expert history revisionist, and LOL Muslims are colonising the UK.
It’s all documented. Moslems are colonising more than the U.K., fit young men arriving by the boatloads every day in Europe. Now we in the U.K. are ‘finding’ weapons as well.
There will be a ‘Krystal nacho’ and the Collective west global governors will be ‘taken by surprise’. They believe that if you are nice to people they will be nice to you, so currently the U.K. spending £8 million a day housing ‘moslem refugees’ - almost all men under 30, in hotels.
People arriving in to Europe is nor colonisation, it is immigration. But I wouldn't expect a Unit 2800 gronk to know that.
When they set up enclaves that the natives population is disbarred from, their own courts, their own ‘parliament’, they speak their own language… that’s colonisation.
How dare people speak their own language. Spoken just like a Ukranian NAZI.
And is a "Krystal nacho" tasty? I know you being a white supremacist may not care for Mexican food.
"So called Palestinians, let's just call them Gaza Muslims, do not want peace with Israel. It's obvious".
Of course they bloody well don't. If a bunch of fairly secure, prosperous people from other continents flooded into your country, stole all the good land and property, killed everyone who resisted, and drove the survivors into "Indian reservations" in the hope that they would quietly die off in a few generations, do you think you might get a little cross?
Let the Israelis release everyone from Gaze, restore to them their ancestors' land, houses, and property - and ideally so off back to where they came from. Then I am sure the Palestinians will be all sweetness and light. Except for the many whose murdered families cannot be restored so easily.
"Islam considers nonbelievers as beneath them"
Isn't that remarkable. It's exactly the same as Jews.
Jeannie doesn't seem to realise her book of hate, The Talmud, has been translated. We all know the hate within it, that it's kosher to rape a 3 year old goy, we are cattle, cockroaches and animals here to serve the jew.
I'm a Catholic. I'm also realistic about Islam, which is the most hateful major religion and always has been. There is a lot of taqiya going on in this thread.
Ugh, Catholics, the supreme hypocrites and an organised crime organistion full of pederasts and their supporters.
So how have the Jews been able to live in everyone else’s country with no trouble? But the Moslems can’t?
Notice none of these Hamas defenders will honestly confront that question.
Being shown the door 109 times doesn’t actually support your viewpoint but that’s OK. We can have a little bit of magical thinking in these parts anyway.
Historically, Jews have been kicked out of many countries.
Typically it has been forced by the ordinary people, not by the elites, because Jews in those countries have often colluded with the rulers to exploit the mass of the population (note both Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump ended up with Jewish husbands, strategic marriages)
A large part of what is now Ukraine was once under Polish control, with huge estates owned by wealthy Poles. They typically had Jewish overseers, who had no empathy for other ethnic groups. Jews held monopolies granted by the Poles (for which the Jews paid) on things like milling and even control of the keys to Christian churches, so Christians had to pay them to use their own churches. Those monopolies were used to wring everything possible out of the ordinary people for the mutual benefit of the wealthy Poles and their Jewish partners. That history underpins the antipathy to Jews which has long bedeviled that part of the world and continues to do so.
There was a not dissimilar experience in Spain.
And when you claim Jews live in "everyone else's country with no trouble" you are being a bit myopic about "no trouble". Take the US as an example (and a critical one for the rest of the world). Who controls the Federal Reserve, the financial sector, most of the entertainment and mass media, the MIC companies, and most big companies and real estate through the tentacles of BlackRock and the like? That same ethnic group has vastly disproportionate representation in Congress (as well as buying up most other Congress critters) and disproportionate representation in the judiciary.
Through that control they have cheaply bought up most of American business and shipped its industry to China and other countries in pursuit of profits, hollowing out what others had once created as a robust industrial power and destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of millions of Americans. They have pushed woke policies on the country, destroying its cohesion and morality. Through political control and judicial activism, they have kept the southern border open to flood the country with aliens, many unassimilable (as they have done in Europe), again destroying the cohesion and morality of the country and the wealth and safety of ordinary citizens).
With the media control they have brainwashed Americans into believing Israel is a great US ally -- despite the fact that Israel has never, ever done anything of benefit to the US but has sucked enormous sums from the US taxpayer (as well as stealing IP and nuclear secrets) and kept the US mired in controversy and war in the ME.
This may all amount to "no trouble" for Jews. It has been a massive burden for the people of the US and for the rest of the world given Jews use of the US to pursue Jewish agendas elsewhere, including in the ME and Ukraine.
Jeannie: "Islam considers nonbelievers as beneath them."
Zionists suffer from the same disease. See e.g., Mark Weber (no date) The Weight of Tradition: Why Judaism is Not Like Other Religions. Institute for Historical Review. Available at: https://www.ihr.org/judaism0709.html (Accessed: 15 October 2023).
What would I do? What the law requires: Treat the Palestinians as human beings with rights equal to all. Convene a plebiscite so that all residents of Palestine, Jews and Palestinians alike, can choose the form of their government. Evict all those who have trespassed on land owned by Palestinians. Permanently put to bed those dreams of establishing an Eretz Israel. Prosecute all those guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of international humanitarian law, starting with the highest-ranking leaders. Etc.
Come on people, why all we have this kind of demoralizing each other in this debate today when we came from the same parents, Adam and Eve. Of course, there will be many who disagree with me since some races are better than the other, and others are coming from Darwinian predecessor. Only few will find the common sense. Sad.
Stating the obvious, but, if any "enemy" government (aka leadership NATO wants to destroy or overthrow) were to do the same as Zionist Israel and:
-lock 2.3 million people in an open air prison
-carpet bomb entire neighbourhoods, dropping 6,000 bombs weighing 4,000 tons (in less that 1 week) on the imprisoned civilians
-fire shells with White Phosphorous on the trapped population [See just how mutilated those who manage to survive White Phosphorous are...]
-kill medics who were trying to rescue injured civilians (including medics who were given “permission” to enter the bombarded areas to rescue the wounded)
-bomb hospitals, ...premeditate to destroy hospitals
-tell the population it needs to leave via one tiny crossing to a neighbouring country
-bomb that crossing repeatedly making leaving impossible
-cut off entry of water, of electricity, of food, cooking gas
-tell the half the population they need to move from the north to the south of their prison (so the occupiers can bomb the f*ck out of the north even more)
-massacre civilians as the try to leave, as ordered to...
-cut the internet so journalists can't report & civilians can't get on social media to share their experiences being genocided...
...there were be OUTRAGE.
But because it is Israel, the virtue signalling & hashtagging of Western presstitutes and politicians is even stronger & more revolting than it was for Nazis in Ukraine or al-Qaeda in Syria.
Palestinian Ministry of Health:
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As of 14-10-2023 at 11:55 PM,
Martyrs and wounded as a result of the occupation’s aggression, (since the beginning of the war):
Gaza Strip: 2,215 martyrs and 8,714 wounded
West Bank: 54 martyrs and more than 1,100 wounded.
1,300+ Gaza Strip Buildings Demolished By Israeli Bombardments - UN
The UN's humanitarian agency has stated 5,540 housing units have been destroyed, and 3,750 more homes damaged so badly they are uninhabitable.
Trying to predict the actions of apartheid Israel, with its self-confessed genocidal intent and the unequivocal support of the west veritably cheering on war crimes, with the usual sense of logic and reason, is not likely to reveal much, imho. I do not know about others, but i simply can not fathom the mentality that got them to where they are. Could Iran be the target and Gaza the bait.
I'm not saying the Hamas attack was something engineered by the USA/Israel, i'm not saying there are not genocidal maniacs in Israel that want to wipe Palestinians off the map regardless of whether Iran exists or not, but i am suggesting the carte blanche given to Israel by the USA could have more to do with their wish to find the suitable excuse to bomb Iran than anything to do with Hamas directly.
And that’s your objective - we know what you are.
Yeah, Lynn, dirkboy and jeannie. They occupy the same cubicle at the IOF's Unit 8200
Actually I’m CofE.
Israel was Born in Blood and forged through Iron, Will & Slaughter. It is a European Settler Colony primarily comprising a citizenry who have 2-3 (sometimes even 4+) passports. Palestine to them is a "Summer resort" for their various holiday needs. It is not "Home" in anyway.
It has simply shown its "true colours" for all to see. When the Defence Minister and other members of government go on live TV and advocate Slaughter and Genocide; they have closed off all avenues for Diplomacy by said pronouncements, period. Force is the language they speak; and therefore the Muslim world-proper is obliged to respond in kind.
This conflict will escalate, period. It is no longer a question of "If..." but rather "When?". Once it does; punitive forces need to be sent in from all sides (Shia, Sunni, Ibadi, etc) to neutralize the threat. Be it Masjid Al-Aqsa & its inviolability Or the blood of our Palestinian brothers & sisters; the Muslim world is united against the Zionist menace and said Unity is there for all to see.
Settler Colonies have Messiah complexes; and unfortunately the *least bloody solution* is for them to be Forcibly Expelled back to where they came from. This will mean millions dead; but all other alternatives are worse and far more bloody.
Ultimately it will come down to a very simple principle: European Settler Colonists will NOT "fight to death" if they have the option of fleeing to *insert European vassal here* or the US. The Palestinians and allies meanwhile will fight to the death (and then some) to preserve Al-Aqsa.
The net result to all this will be (to the horror of the nominal Western Supremacist/Chauvinist) the birth of the Caliphate with its Capital in Al-Quds. And it will be Born like Israel was Born decades ago: Born in Blood & forged through Will, Iron & Slaughter. And its starting generation will despise the Atlanticist as "those peoples who tried to eliminate us".
A professor of the Sacred Sciences put it succinctly years ago: "The question is not IF there will be a Khilafa; the question is WHEN will it come and WHAT will its starting point be?". Unfortunately for the West; it looks like the answer to the latter half of that question is: "Enmity".
Jerico is the first ever city, built by Jews. It’s insane to deny that modern Israel and more is not their ancient homeland. PS I’m not Jewish.
This argument does not work.
By that logic: There ought to be a "right of return" to Magna Germania (figure out the border situation on that one!) for all peoples with Germanic DNAs (no matter how small). `
So some random California liberal with 1% British DNA ought to be able to displace a family in *insert native German village here* so long as it falls under the Magna Germania territories. How come? Well, because there are UNESCO heritage sites & whatnot from the Proto-Germanics in said area of course! (>Silly Argument)
"Israelis" are Europeans for the most part. The Sephardics (who can genuinely trace his lineage back to the Holy Land) can stay. The Europeans meanwhile? They have to leave.
And unfortunately, Force (likely overwhelming force) will have to be used to do this. This is the most likely outcome given the present trajectory.
All land is held by force of arms. Yo must expect ‘overwhelming force’ in return.
‘The Europeans meanwhile? They have to leave.’ And you mean they have to leave the earth because there is no place for Jews or gentiles in your plans.
We know what you are.
Israel will be destroyed if it resorts to conventional (or nuclear) conflict. In the former, it lacks sufficient Artillery, Tanks & MLRSs compared to coalition forces. In the case of the latter; it is self-explanatory (a la Nuclear Fallout & Winter).
The "smart" Europeans can leave voluntarily. The "dumber" ones can experience what the French did in Algeria (and elsewhere) and be Massacred by the locals. Personally; I view the former as the wiser choice.
I know what I am; I care not for the opinion of the disbeliever.
Addendum: We both know who will fight genuinely "till the end". Colonists & Settlers will fly back to Europe & America as death tolls mount. The Palestinians & allies will fight for their land, holy sites & families. This is a no contest.
But Islam occupies Europe too. Where do you suggest ‘the smart Europeans’ go?
You see from my perspective you are the ‘disbeliever’ - a follower of a very flawed man. An earth-bound man with no spirituality and no empathy and no humanity. But I don’t care what you do in your own lands, however that is never enough for you because you demand hegemony - all must bend the knee and some of us must pay the taxes.
You will not get the civilized world. It will be destroyed before it is handed over to you and your kind.
The reason Europe "imports the world" is because its women can no longer reproduce properly; opting instead to kill their offspring and celebrate that in every facet of their lives. The men meanwhile self-pleasure themselves to death and are on the "Hedonistic treadmill"; utterly useless in protecting & providing in any capacity whatsoever.
If you feel strongly against the "Muslim presence" in Europe; fix those key problems yourselves (Hint: You cannot). And if you are unable to do so, then don't be surprised that "Eurabia" is the result. People convert en masse because Islam alone can make Western women stop killing their offspring and Western man to stop becoming a Hedonistic mess.
You are creepy, there is no reason for your assumptions.
You are stupid. You know nothing about the fundamentals of Islam. Find out before you own head is on a pole.
Wouldn’t That be something if a few million Israelis the other migrants from various regions in the Middle East and North Africa, the EU could be a truly dynamic rainbow colored melting pot
I am keenly watching the Avdeevka assault as well. Like you said, Ru OPSEC is very high and there is limited info coming out from MoD or others. Military Summary and Weeb are trying to show map updates but I am not really putting much stock in their reports (yet). But I agree with your conclusion; if this assault which appears highly committed, doesn't yield results, then I would think the front line can be considered more or less frozen, minus small gains or losses here and there.
As for Gaza/Hamas, the Israeli's have political cover to do what they want to do now, and the likelihood is that they cut Gaza in half and stuff the population into the southern part. Yes it is ethnic cleansing, genocide... frankly I wouldn't be surprised to wake up and learn that the IDF dropped a neutron bomb and zapped all 2mn people living there. All talk about Iranian support - well, there is a lot of geography between Iran and Israel. Syria won't do anything; it has acted as an IAF punching bag for the last 20 years, not going to change now. Lebanon is practically a failed state. Hezbollah would do well in a defensive conflict (as in 2006) but I wouldn't like their odds if they actually tried to move south.
Finally - those thinking that US military support for Ukr will be directed to Israel; I actually think there will be no noticeable change. The types of weapons and munitions are totally different, the US will be draining different stockpiles and frankly putting Hamas and the Russian army in the same sentence is insulting
right on simplicius.. thanks..