"they"? The Palestinians? Or your favourite hate objects the "Moslems"?
Research Abe Saffron, a crime figure that ruled the Sydney underworld for decades. And a certain Jeffrey Epstein. They weren't "Moslems". They belonged to a certain tribe that is known for that behaviour.
You see cherry picking data to suit a point of view is easy.
you really think we're all roll over soy boys? I stalk these cunts as they stalk us. I know where they are. I am hardly unique, and this realisation is endemic in healthy males. Any fucker who thinks they can come here and do as they please, the morgue.
Fire and blood, and all the (actually) entitled immigrants are in for a very sharp shock when things kick off. Fools, they've been had as much as ken, karen and their trans-child.
You know they are politically protected. You cannot touch them. Well, you can, and then you are arrested (because they have room in the prisons for YOU, just not the human traffickers), and they will import 50 more to take his place.
The enemy is within. As long as there are traitors opening the gates to the sieging army amassed at our walls, we have no hope of defending.
Actually Eurocrats and their pro-Jewish agenda might turn their stance on immigration around.
It's all about public perception, given recent events.
If you lash out at them, you'll rally support for them. If you expose them, you'll be dealing much greater damage to them than you could ever do physically.
This is why Tommy Robinson is persona non grata in the UK, because he's exposing the immigrant idiocy.
In his autobiography, written with Roots author Alex Haley and published after his death in 1965, Malcolm X said: “If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” precisely describing how MSM operating this way today.
As Donald Trump attempted to demonstrate with the US - Mexico border, and Israel has demonstrated in other area's of their country, walls do work. Build a wall around Gaza, with no doors.
Yeah fair enough but my question is this" We have genocidal zionists and their useful idiots crawling out of the swamp and disseminating outright lies (beheaded babies) and propaganda that are enabling genocide.
They create the narrative that deaths of military aged occupiers (legitimate targets) are worth more than 2,000 civilians so far, 700 of which are children.
Sounds like you're ready to join up with Hamas. Send us the vids showing you teaching the dirty zionist vermin a lesson!! Seig Heil! Or what does Hamas chant? Hamas Hamas the Jews to the Gas? Tell me this batman: Where are the Jews supposed to live? Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?
The ashkeNAZI are from Ukraine and surrounds. Hebrew Jews, real actual Jews already lived in Palestine. That there shows your US derived ignorance. Ancestral lands LOL
Indeed, it is said that the original Jews living in Palestine converted to Islam when the Muslim hordes spread across the Levant - that would be ironic, wouldn't it - that the Israelis have taken the lands from the progeny of their own ancestors? Of course, I am speaking primarily of the Sephardic Jews who migrated from the Palestinian area to North Africa, then to Spain and Southern Europe. If truth be known, the Ashkenazi Jew who was actually responsible for taking the land in 1948 was of European/Turkic blood - not a drop of Semitic blood in his veins.
Ancestral lands LOL is right. This is the reason the Ukraine is so important to them now, possibly as a refuge. Notice how these particular "Jews" seem to value their lives much more than their commission from God. Real Hebrews would fight to the last bullet but the Khazars will run the instant they realize that war is not a sport they can start and then watch on televitz.
The amusing thing is that those who currently side with Hamas are themselves considered ‘infidels’ to Islamic extremists. Their opinions of ‘AshkeNAZI’ would not save them.
The zionist occupiers of Palestine aren't Jews. Zionism is the negation of Judaism, ask Theodore Herzl. The surviving Palestinians might be more generous than me and content themselves with sending the worst of the zionist criminals against humanity to Nuremberg.
" Where are the Jews supposed to live? Among the nations where they have lived for two thousand years (at least until they are thrown out for misbehaving).
"Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?" - No. Not if they have to steal that land from others.l
Dirkboy, the Jews who did not leave their "ancestral homelands" have every right to continue to live there. Of course, some of them chose to convert to Christianity, and some to Islam. For at least five centuries prior to WW1 Jews, Muslims, Christians, and practitioners of other religions lived in Palestine peacefully with each other.
The Jews who have moved to Palestine since Zionism gained power and adherents, who have never been shy about stating that their goal was/is to remove all the Palestinians from their new state of Israel, do not have any right to live there unless they are willing to give up their goal and practice of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
The state of Israel was founded by Zionist terrorists, and unfortunately their violent take over of the land has never stopped.
Grr - You fight evil by stating your truth calmly and logically, no matter how much propaganda or lies or hatred is spewed out. However hard evil tries to drag you into the pit of hatred and rage, avoid at all costs falling into it to fight it at that level, it poisons the soul..
P.S Thanks for the reminder about that Simplicius.
Yeah great it's pretty sad how they cheer. My laugh comes from the hasbara desperate to make everyone dislike pals more than they are disliked . 110 nations ( pretty much every country in the world at the time kicked them out. When 110 schools kick out your kid do you blame the schools or look to your own behaviour and attitudes.
The Only Real Democracy in the Middle East has just, in order to defend itself, bombed a Gazan hospital killing over 500 people (or is it "subhuman animals"?) taking refuge there thinking that The Chosen Ones would never bomb a hospital - they were wrong - Israel didn't even hesitate.
I just heard that Izrael is recalling the special forces units from Ukraine , because they are needed back home. Very puzzling , what were they doing there on the first place ? there are no Hamas there .
Someone has to keep guns in the backs of Ukrainian conscripts to keep them walking into the meat grinder in the attempt to protect Blackrock's acquisitions in Ukraine and Zelensky and the oligarchs.
That's pretty much the strategy they've been following for the last 15 years. It didn't turn out so good. Walls are only as good as those manning them. Also, it left them with a sore wound and in an impossible position with regard to attempts at normalization with the other countries in the region.
The Israeli Zionist government do not want any normalization. What they want is that the rest of Gentiles / Goyim are bow down to them and serve the Zionist master.
You've slowly been enveloped by the World's Largest Concentration Camp. The Internet, where you have complete freedom to say anything you are allowed to say.
Stupid Americxnt, the problem is your corrupt Zionist lover government who tried to cause havoc and calamity around the world. People like you should be ashamed of being a human and should immediately join the israeli in this war.
The grubby shekel hoarders, the money lenders, are now shamelessly running a campaign asking for donations to buy Level IV ceramic vests for their war criminals.
Oh yeah, the Arabs are all little Red Riding Hoods. Give me a break. Ever tried doing business with an Arab? You'd swear they were not only Jews, but Dutchmen...
What a sweetheart you are. Racist? "Shekel hoarders"? I think you need to look in a mirror bro. And, do be a chap and stick to those rules Simplicius mentioned, will you?
Av, a customer of mine and eventually a friend, would chisel, whine and squirm until he thought he squeezed the last nickel out of a deal. I, a non-believer, just grinned every time as he walked away with the nickels and I walked away with the $ thousands.
He had a tremendous sense of humor. "How do you say F -you in Yiddish?"
A natural consequence of mocking God. (Even though I’m an atheist)
Opening statement of Netanyahu’s speech at the UN September 22nd 2023.
“Over three millennia ago, our great leader Moses addressed the people of Israel as they were about to enter the Promised Land. He said they would find there two mountains facing one another: Mount Gerizim, the site on which a great blessing would be proclaimed, and Mount Ebal, the site of a great curse. Moses said the people’s fate would be determined by the choice they made between the blessing and the curse.”
"That same choice has echoed down the ages not just for the people of Israel but for all humanity.
We face such a choice today. It will determine whether we enjoy the blessings of a historic peace of boundless prosperity and hope or suffer the curse of a horrific war, of terrorism and despair".
If Netanyahu in all his stupidity wants to hold up a map of Israel at the UN showing the state of Palestine no longer exists when Israel broke the covenant with God then “God” in all his wisdom is going to say Mount Ebal it is!
Who said God doesn’t have a sense of Humor, seriously you cant make this shit up.
There never was and never will be a state of Palestine. The name comes from Roman times and was ascribed to the Philistines. Check your history and you will find that it was the Muslims who invaded the Holy Land and built a Mosque over the Jewish Temple. Hamas has demonstrated that Israel will never again accept a Muslim Brotherhood run state on its borders.
You are so confused, and, given your icon, a fan of a mass murdering communist, the late Che Guevara. It was the Nazis who exterminated 6 million Jews and countless other undesirables. Guess you are a fan of the Nazis. So are Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. They want to carry on exterminating Jews. Except, the Jews learned to fight back and they have the thermonuclear weapons to prove it if push comes to shove. If the Mad Mullahs of Iran actually try to launch fission weapons against the Jews, they will find fusion works a thousand times better.
To corroborate: the 6 million figure is prophetical and was announced many times in the NYT from as early as the 1860s. It's the basis for the whole issue around the holocaust, as that number is still the core of the claim on which the concept and notion of the holocaust is based.
Most people are not aware that the official memorial plaque in Auschwitz was changed in the early 1990s (fall of the USSR - very crucial for the holocaust, as all the claims of "extermination camps" and "gas chambers" had been backtracked and dropped for all camps liberated by the Western allied forces, making all of the horror disappear behind the Iron Curtain) from 4 million killed to 1.5 million killed. That's an immense difference, and made 2.5 of the 6 million suddenly vanish into thin air.
But the 6 million figure was not adjusted together with the Auschwitz figure. How? Why?
That cannot be, since the first tabulation of the holocaust after WWII was 4.5 million. It worked its way up to 5.1, then 5.5m and now 6.1 as new records (records, you know actual evidence of events) are found.
See it happen in front of your eyes Pat. This whole crisis will inevitably result in the establishment of the independent state of Palestine, the only question is the size.
Don't cry too much, and please don't become depressed or filled with hate.
But justice will be done. From the river to the sea! :-D
Maybe, but, so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state. The state they want is from the river to the sea with every Jew in the way massacred. They demonstrated their bloodlust last Saturday. Guess what? The people who survived the Nazi Holocaust, the people who won all the wars launched against them by the combined Arab nations will not be beaten. Palestinian terrorists have suicide vests; Israel has hydrogen bombs.
Well, there's really no point in arguing here, unless we take this back to the most basics notions. What are facts? What are our opinions based upon?
You see, I'm convinced that 99% of the all people will agree with what is right and what is wrong, IF THEY ARE GIVEN THE SAME DATASET OF FACTS.
The point is: we're not only not given all the facts, we're given extremely false datasets with mostly lies and hardly any fact that matters. That's why we need to unfortunately do our own research and try to find the facts by ourselves. That is -- if we even have the WISH to find facts, and are even able to perceive that we don't get the facts but are emotionally hoarded like sheep to have strong beliefs and clash with each other over them.
The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?
What are the facts that make you say that the Palestinians want to massacre every Jew in Israel? I cannot for the life of me imagine such idiocy, but somehow the contrary is stated regularly by Israeli officials and their ideological mouth-frotheners: "Kill them all" is being heard quite a lot recently, as if it were a rational statement instead of a call for actual genocide. Can we then assume that your statement is a projection of a hyper-emotional and primal reaction to the newsfeeds you consume?
Perhaps provide your source for this: “The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?”
"so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state."
Primarily because every deal offered was not an offer of a sovereign statehood. For example, all such propositions contained the proviso that the new state of Palestine could not raise its own military. If a country does not have the right to raise its own military, it is not a sovereign country by any definition. So of course the Palestinians would never agree.
I understand the Israeli point of view. Allowing such a Palestinian state would presage the end of Israel, but I don't think that can be helped now, so...
This is why wars happen. To arbitrate such issues.
Agreed. No matter the state solution to the problem, the Palestinian would always be looking over the fence with intense hatred and declaring, "That is my land - you stole it!".
The forced removal of West Bank Palestinians from their homes, the bulldozing by Caterpillar excavators and bulldozers, the building of new housing for "Settlers" is not a provocation?
The uninvited march through the al-Aqsa Mosque and the proposed demolishment of the Mosque, is not a provocation?
One of the sadder aspects of this crap is the historical accounts of nearly identical "kill the pregnant jewess for a two-fer" sentiments recorded from European pogroms. They were using pitchforks & such that time around, not rifles.
Humanity is all one family under the skin and family feuds are the worst.
Not sure if you were replying to me, but in case you did: yes, the state of Palestine is de iure existing and recognised, but de facto it's nowhere to be found. If it had been, it would be able to have its own army, as Simplicius so aptly pointed out in the article we're commenting on :-D
Actually, until 1948 there was no country called Israel either. Indeed the original land of Israel passed out of existence in 722 bc when it was taken over by the Assyrians. Further that land was not located where it is today. Israel of today is more closely aligned with the Judea during Roman times. But since God promised the land to Israel and not Judea, it would have been uncomfortable for the Zionists to call their new country Judea even though Israel never existed there. Indeed, it could well be said that there remain no more Israelites at all since after the Assyrian conquest, they were absorbed into the general population.
So in summary, the Zionists not only stole Palestinian land, they also stole the name of "Israel" and claimed they were the people of Israel.
The issue does’t start in 1940. Look up the Ottoman Empire, the Sykes Picot Agreement, etc. If you want to blame anyone regarding unrest in this area, blame the British
Please read what I wrote. I am not assigning blame to anyone. I am merely informing you as to the situation in the Middle East near the beginning of WWII, well after breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Jordan did not exist except as a partition of Palestine at the time. Palestine was never a part of Jordan - only the West Bank was - and that was given over to the Palestinians later.
"There never was and never will be a state of Palestine"
The same weak logic would conclude there never was an historical State of Israel. Just a temporary name between periods of Colonization by greater Powers.
From Rome, to the Ottomans, now an American Colony, whose lifespan depends entirely on the survival of the U.S. Deep State.
Investing in friends and compromise was and is a difficult option.
Hadrian renamed judea to palestine. Because he disliked the judah tribes rebelling. So he named their province after their ancient enemies the philistines. Now the people of palestine dna direct back to jeshua s days, are now facing invaders aka philistines.
The name fully formed first appears in Herodotus. 5th century BC, though Egyptian and Assyrian terms that are similar are found as far back as 1150BC in inscriptions. Judea was the name of the client kingdom (under the Seleucids) established by the Hasmoneans in 140BC. They gained more autonomy until conquered by Pompey in 63BC and reorganized as a Roman client kingdom. Shortly thereafter, Herod usurped the kingdom from the Hasmoneans. After its conversion to a Roman province in 6AD, the name "Judea" was preservedl. Well, until Hadrian decided to go with the older Egyptian/Assyrian/Greek-derived name in 132, after YA Jewish revolt, the third significant one in say, 70 years. Hence the diaspora.
As a former US Army combat arms soldier, enlisted and later commissioned, from what I've seen I'd say Hamas is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs. Given how small the area is professional Israeli forces can absolutely secure control and destroy Hamas. Doing so will of course take time and come with costs. However after what those deranged barbarians did to a great many defenseless Israeli civilians, and many children, we are about to find out how this ends. Israel has no choice but to terminate Hamas.
I'll add (after initial comment) I of course hate seeing innocent Palestinian lives destroyed but recognize the harm results fundamentally from Hamas now using them as human shields. Hamas brings nothing but death and misery to everyone. I hope once Hamas has been destroyed Palestinians in Gaza can find a path to peace with their neighbors.
And your opinion, stated civilly and intelligently, is both welcome and allowed. On the "other side", interestingly enough, that would not be the case. Funny how that works, huh?
It's interesting how everyone has a narrative of "deranged HAMAS barbarians attacking poor Israeli civilians" totally ignore one more far frightening point - Israel has spent decades suppressing and attacking the Palestinians. This action by HAMAS is as much as a provocation as much as it is a "lashing out" at their tormentors.
Hamas just demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history. You cannot hope for peace with deranged barbarians and there is clearly no excuse or rationalization which justifies their blood lust and savagery. While a relatively small number of noisy protesters are embracing Hamas' killings, likely due to political prejudice, the rest of the world views them as the hateful monsters they just proved they are, no doubt.
Give your fairy tales a rest. Your ignorance is glaring, but understandable considering where you from. with massive brainwashing and a low education base.
The jews do not want peace and never will. Their greed, their love of power will be their downfall.
I agree with you. We can discuss about the root causes why Palestinians in Gaza are so radicalised but radicalised they are to the level of complete fundamentalism. The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc. Israelis have no choice but to defend event though they are undoubtedly to be blamed for this situation
For the Israeli's, it's the same: "The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc." (Maybe the Israeli population growth is not extreme in all segments of society.)
Are you trying to remain positive about Israel’s long term fate?
Only a brainwashed fool would give a shit about the illegal terrorist settler project.
Well they are running a sex slave industry using young white girls all over the U.K. ma.my many court cases give testament to that.
"they"? The Palestinians? Or your favourite hate objects the "Moslems"?
Research Abe Saffron, a crime figure that ruled the Sydney underworld for decades. And a certain Jeffrey Epstein. They weren't "Moslems". They belonged to a certain tribe that is known for that behaviour.
You see cherry picking data to suit a point of view is easy.
Hamas-Mossad False Flag Terror Spectacle already yields dividends... that's the beauty of False Flags: all is possible and all is permitted
To wit:
-A Final Solution for the Palestinian Question (Second Mass deportation/ Annihilation) conducted with full support of the West
- The US dragged into another Endless War against Iran designed to destroy the BRICS+ World Order
- Bibi and Biden emerge as War Time Presidents, immune from electoral challenges
- BIG WIN for MIC...
Endlosung eh? Will the Palestinian survivors de deported to Madagascar?
No. To Europe. To replace the population even more. LMAO
funny, but very unfunny too.
you really think we're all roll over soy boys? I stalk these cunts as they stalk us. I know where they are. I am hardly unique, and this realisation is endemic in healthy males. Any fucker who thinks they can come here and do as they please, the morgue.
Fire and blood, and all the (actually) entitled immigrants are in for a very sharp shock when things kick off. Fools, they've been had as much as ken, karen and their trans-child.
LMAO? are you Hillary?
Stfu, edgy boy.
You know they are politically protected. You cannot touch them. Well, you can, and then you are arrested (because they have room in the prisons for YOU, just not the human traffickers), and they will import 50 more to take his place.
The enemy is within. As long as there are traitors opening the gates to the sieging army amassed at our walls, we have no hope of defending.
that's also quite funny, "edgy boy" lol, indeed, I dream perhaps..
And, everything else you say in reply is true, agreed.
Very unfunny situation.
Everybody-ish is starting to see it now. Be interesting.
Actually Eurocrats and their pro-Jewish agenda might turn their stance on immigration around.
It's all about public perception, given recent events.
If you lash out at them, you'll rally support for them. If you expose them, you'll be dealing much greater damage to them than you could ever do physically.
This is why Tommy Robinson is persona non grata in the UK, because he's exposing the immigrant idiocy.
They r not winning and they will not be able to win vs me
Another one immediately denying the Palestinians any agency, expertise nor superhuman courage. How very Delinghole.
In his autobiography, written with Roots author Alex Haley and published after his death in 1965, Malcolm X said: “If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” precisely describing how MSM operating this way today.
As Donald Trump attempted to demonstrate with the US - Mexico border, and Israel has demonstrated in other area's of their country, walls do work. Build a wall around Gaza, with no doors.
Did you not read my warning at the bottom of the article? Plz consult it
I stopped myself before typing some curt response! ;) (To another comment, not this one obviously!)
Thanks, a Nuland cookie for you!
Considering the obese and disgusting creature that is Nudelman actually touched the cookies with her blood soaked hands why would anyone want one?
Can we have a plain old chocolate chip cookie instead?
Throw in a little Victorias Secret?
Yeah fair enough but my question is this" We have genocidal zionists and their useful idiots crawling out of the swamp and disseminating outright lies (beheaded babies) and propaganda that are enabling genocide.
They create the narrative that deaths of military aged occupiers (legitimate targets) are worth more than 2,000 civilians so far, 700 of which are children.
Why should they be given a platform?
These people are not worthy of respect.
Sounds like you're ready to join up with Hamas. Send us the vids showing you teaching the dirty zionist vermin a lesson!! Seig Heil! Or what does Hamas chant? Hamas Hamas the Jews to the Gas? Tell me this batman: Where are the Jews supposed to live? Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?
Congratulations on completing Mein Kampf.
They are a race!
Jewishness is also considered an ethnicity, like Italian, French, etc.
Rumors is tha thitler was ashkenazi
Jews come from all over the world FYI.
You're an idiot. Username Che gives you away. I know you're not even Cuban bc they would never use that name fool. Can't argue w stupidity.
The ashkeNAZI are from Ukraine and surrounds. Hebrew Jews, real actual Jews already lived in Palestine. That there shows your US derived ignorance. Ancestral lands LOL
Indeed, it is said that the original Jews living in Palestine converted to Islam when the Muslim hordes spread across the Levant - that would be ironic, wouldn't it - that the Israelis have taken the lands from the progeny of their own ancestors? Of course, I am speaking primarily of the Sephardic Jews who migrated from the Palestinian area to North Africa, then to Spain and Southern Europe. If truth be known, the Ashkenazi Jew who was actually responsible for taking the land in 1948 was of European/Turkic blood - not a drop of Semitic blood in his veins.
Are you saying that Ukrainians cannot become Jews?
Ancestral lands LOL is right. This is the reason the Ukraine is so important to them now, possibly as a refuge. Notice how these particular "Jews" seem to value their lives much more than their commission from God. Real Hebrews would fight to the last bullet but the Khazars will run the instant they realize that war is not a sport they can start and then watch on televitz.
Like Native Americans perhaps?
The amusing thing is that those who currently side with Hamas are themselves considered ‘infidels’ to Islamic extremists. Their opinions of ‘AshkeNAZI’ would not save them.
Islamic "extremists"? Who are they, people you don't like?
You lost your audience with ancestral lands I’m afraid
Perhaps your message would work more effectively in a different setting...
The zionist occupiers of Palestine aren't Jews. Zionism is the negation of Judaism, ask Theodore Herzl. The surviving Palestinians might be more generous than me and content themselves with sending the worst of the zionist criminals against humanity to Nuremberg.
Radical Zionists are KM. Israeli citizens are not.
Ancestral Homes? What a quagmire that is. Where is the beginning of that circle.
European Jews have no ancestral claim to Palestinian dirt. Perhaps France and Germany and Poland can give them their lands back.
God condemned them to wander for scorning Jesus, let them wander forever more with no home.
Careful, the Christians being murdered in numbers throughout the world by Moslems might not agree with you’ll
Why don't you wander off?
" Where are the Jews supposed to live? Among the nations where they have lived for two thousand years (at least until they are thrown out for misbehaving).
"Are they not allowed to live on their ancestral homelands like everyone else?" - No. Not if they have to steal that land from others.l
Dirkboy, the Jews who did not leave their "ancestral homelands" have every right to continue to live there. Of course, some of them chose to convert to Christianity, and some to Islam. For at least five centuries prior to WW1 Jews, Muslims, Christians, and practitioners of other religions lived in Palestine peacefully with each other.
The Jews who have moved to Palestine since Zionism gained power and adherents, who have never been shy about stating that their goal was/is to remove all the Palestinians from their new state of Israel, do not have any right to live there unless they are willing to give up their goal and practice of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
The state of Israel was founded by Zionist terrorists, and unfortunately their violent take over of the land has never stopped.
Let me guess Hitler should have been left alone to finish the job?
So, Ukrainians who massacred Jews for the Germans were actually jews? I would expect this nonsense from a Che disciple.
Paid agitation works at times but I think you’ll find that it is less effective here
Unless you brought a wingman....
No and the nazi genocides against Jews owe as much to utilitarianism as they do antisemitism.
Who are you anyway, TE Lawrence's great grand nephew or something?
He would consider it an honor as would u, so why do you refer to an ad hom,? Cognitive dissonance.
Grr - You fight evil by stating your truth calmly and logically, no matter how much propaganda or lies or hatred is spewed out. However hard evil tries to drag you into the pit of hatred and rage, avoid at all costs falling into it to fight it at that level, it poisons the soul..
P.S Thanks for the reminder about that Simplicius.
Nordstream. These are the same damn khazarian mafia naxis
Let them out themselves, Frendo. The more riled up they get the more useful their homicidal intent as evidence.
Yeah great it's pretty sad how they cheer. My laugh comes from the hasbara desperate to make everyone dislike pals more than they are disliked . 110 nations ( pretty much every country in the world at the time kicked them out. When 110 schools kick out your kid do you blame the schools or look to your own behaviour and attitudes.
The Only Real Democracy in the Middle East has just, in order to defend itself, bombed a Gazan hospital killing over 500 people (or is it "subhuman animals"?) taking refuge there thinking that The Chosen Ones would never bomb a hospital - they were wrong - Israel didn't even hesitate.
I have just woken up to that news. "1000 Palestinians and wounded about 2000" so far.
That's it then, total war. The ashkeNAZIs obviously are asking for it so give it to them. Get this shit sorted once and for all.
aye, grrr gets a bit too animated, rather headstrong beyond reason at times too,
but grrr's heart is probably in the right place.
NB grrr, stop verbally assaulting people - i often agree with your sentiment, but you lower your own tone in doing so. : )
It's apparent you are what you hate. BYTM
I just heard that Izrael is recalling the special forces units from Ukraine , because they are needed back home. Very puzzling , what were they doing there on the first place ? there are no Hamas there .
"what were they doing there on the first place?"
Someone has to keep guns in the backs of Ukrainian conscripts to keep them walking into the meat grinder in the attempt to protect Blackrock's acquisitions in Ukraine and Zelensky and the oligarchs.
That's pretty much the strategy they've been following for the last 15 years. It didn't turn out so good. Walls are only as good as those manning them. Also, it left them with a sore wound and in an impossible position with regard to attempts at normalization with the other countries in the region.
The Israeli Zionist government do not want any normalization. What they want is that the rest of Gentiles / Goyim are bow down to them and serve the Zionist master.
ummm, they built that wall about 50 years ago, thats kinda the problem. Gaza is essentially the worlds largest concentration camp
You've slowly been enveloped by the World's Largest Concentration Camp. The Internet, where you have complete freedom to say anything you are allowed to say.
Stupid Americxnt, the problem is your corrupt Zionist lover government who tried to cause havoc and calamity around the world. People like you should be ashamed of being a human and should immediately join the israeli in this war.
Sure
The grubby shekel hoarders, the money lenders, are now shamelessly running a campaign asking for donations to buy Level IV ceramic vests for their war criminals.
Jewish chutzpah has no boundaries.
Oh yeah, the Arabs are all little Red Riding Hoods. Give me a break. Ever tried doing business with an Arab? You'd swear they were not only Jews, but Dutchmen...
What a sweetheart you are. Racist? "Shekel hoarders"? I think you need to look in a mirror bro. And, do be a chap and stick to those rules Simplicius mentioned, will you?
Av, a customer of mine and eventually a friend, would chisel, whine and squirm until he thought he squeezed the last nickel out of a deal. I, a non-believer, just grinned every time as he walked away with the nickels and I walked away with the $ thousands.
He had a tremendous sense of humor. "How do you say F -you in Yiddish?"
"Trust me."
Perhaps business is not the enterprise for you.
A natural consequence of mocking God. (Even though I’m an atheist)
Opening statement of Netanyahu’s speech at the UN September 22nd 2023.
“Over three millennia ago, our great leader Moses addressed the people of Israel as they were about to enter the Promised Land. He said they would find there two mountains facing one another: Mount Gerizim, the site on which a great blessing would be proclaimed, and Mount Ebal, the site of a great curse. Moses said the people’s fate would be determined by the choice they made between the blessing and the curse.”
"That same choice has echoed down the ages not just for the people of Israel but for all humanity.
We face such a choice today. It will determine whether we enjoy the blessings of a historic peace of boundless prosperity and hope or suffer the curse of a horrific war, of terrorism and despair".
If Netanyahu in all his stupidity wants to hold up a map of Israel at the UN showing the state of Palestine no longer exists when Israel broke the covenant with God then “God” in all his wisdom is going to say Mount Ebal it is!
Who said God doesn’t have a sense of Humor, seriously you cant make this shit up.
Maybe God exists after all? Divine intervention.
There never was and never will be a state of Palestine. The name comes from Roman times and was ascribed to the Philistines. Check your history and you will find that it was the Muslims who invaded the Holy Land and built a Mosque over the Jewish Temple. Hamas has demonstrated that Israel will never again accept a Muslim Brotherhood run state on its borders.
Funnily enough its the Fake-estinians that spout Hitler slogans, not the Juden..
You are so confused, and, given your icon, a fan of a mass murdering communist, the late Che Guevara. It was the Nazis who exterminated 6 million Jews and countless other undesirables. Guess you are a fan of the Nazis. So are Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. They want to carry on exterminating Jews. Except, the Jews learned to fight back and they have the thermonuclear weapons to prove it if push comes to shove. If the Mad Mullahs of Iran actually try to launch fission weapons against the Jews, they will find fusion works a thousand times better.
To corroborate: the 6 million figure is prophetical and was announced many times in the NYT from as early as the 1860s. It's the basis for the whole issue around the holocaust, as that number is still the core of the claim on which the concept and notion of the holocaust is based.
Most people are not aware that the official memorial plaque in Auschwitz was changed in the early 1990s (fall of the USSR - very crucial for the holocaust, as all the claims of "extermination camps" and "gas chambers" had been backtracked and dropped for all camps liberated by the Western allied forces, making all of the horror disappear behind the Iron Curtain) from 4 million killed to 1.5 million killed. That's an immense difference, and made 2.5 of the 6 million suddenly vanish into thin air.
But the 6 million figure was not adjusted together with the Auschwitz figure. How? Why?
That cannot be, since the first tabulation of the holocaust after WWII was 4.5 million. It worked its way up to 5.1, then 5.5m and now 6.1 as new records (records, you know actual evidence of events) are found.
LOL a mass murdering communist. Typical Yank.. The "commie" brainwashing is thorough.
Do you ever contribute anything that isn't an ad hominem attack?
Yeah I do. Do you?
Lies, and more lies from this Pat.
Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is forever. Your choice.
But being wilfully blind is a difficult matter: the patient generally refuses treatment! :-D
Oh grr is also purblind as we call it.
The trite Hallmark Card rebuttal of the terminally suburban.
Yeah LiEs aNd mOrE LiEs indeed. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/06/palestine_the_worlds_oldest_antisemitic_word.html
I ran into the first outright lie, the part about Hadrian being the first person to call the region "Palestine", and stopped reading.
See it happen in front of your eyes Pat. This whole crisis will inevitably result in the establishment of the independent state of Palestine, the only question is the size.
Don't cry too much, and please don't become depressed or filled with hate.
But justice will be done. From the river to the sea! :-D
Maybe, but, so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state. The state they want is from the river to the sea with every Jew in the way massacred. They demonstrated their bloodlust last Saturday. Guess what? The people who survived the Nazi Holocaust, the people who won all the wars launched against them by the combined Arab nations will not be beaten. Palestinian terrorists have suicide vests; Israel has hydrogen bombs.
Well, there's really no point in arguing here, unless we take this back to the most basics notions. What are facts? What are our opinions based upon?
You see, I'm convinced that 99% of the all people will agree with what is right and what is wrong, IF THEY ARE GIVEN THE SAME DATASET OF FACTS.
The point is: we're not only not given all the facts, we're given extremely false datasets with mostly lies and hardly any fact that matters. That's why we need to unfortunately do our own research and try to find the facts by ourselves. That is -- if we even have the WISH to find facts, and are even able to perceive that we don't get the facts but are emotionally hoarded like sheep to have strong beliefs and clash with each other over them.
The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?
What are the facts that make you say that the Palestinians want to massacre every Jew in Israel? I cannot for the life of me imagine such idiocy, but somehow the contrary is stated regularly by Israeli officials and their ideological mouth-frotheners: "Kill them all" is being heard quite a lot recently, as if it were a rational statement instead of a call for actual genocide. Can we then assume that your statement is a projection of a hyper-emotional and primal reaction to the newsfeeds you consume?
Perhaps provide your source for this: “The proof for "their bloodlust last Saturday" has already mainly been debunked as atrocity propaganda from the Israeli side. What exactly happened? Soldiers were killed, and people kidnapped. That's what we know so far. Has there been real proof of much else?”
"so far, the Palestinians have stood in the way and rejected any deal that actually gave them their own state."
Primarily because every deal offered was not an offer of a sovereign statehood. For example, all such propositions contained the proviso that the new state of Palestine could not raise its own military. If a country does not have the right to raise its own military, it is not a sovereign country by any definition. So of course the Palestinians would never agree.
I understand the Israeli point of view. Allowing such a Palestinian state would presage the end of Israel, but I don't think that can be helped now, so...
This is why wars happen. To arbitrate such issues.
Agreed. No matter the state solution to the problem, the Palestinian would always be looking over the fence with intense hatred and declaring, "That is my land - you stole it!".
Hmmm....not a very balanced observation.
The forced removal of West Bank Palestinians from their homes, the bulldozing by Caterpillar excavators and bulldozers, the building of new housing for "Settlers" is not a provocation?
The uninvited march through the al-Aqsa Mosque and the proposed demolishment of the Mosque, is not a provocation?
@Pat
"Palestinian terrorists" have pregnant wives, so far as Bibi's cabal are concerned.
https://i0.wp.com/criticallegalthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/BSD-FIgure-1.jpg
I mean it's not the first time i've seen crude dehumanization of the enemy, but that's pretty awful stuff.
One of the sadder aspects of this crap is the historical accounts of nearly identical "kill the pregnant jewess for a two-fer" sentiments recorded from European pogroms. They were using pitchforks & such that time around, not rifles.
Humanity is all one family under the skin and family feuds are the worst.
Quare. When will the 2 U.S. Carrier Groups become a mysterious South Stream incident?
Wrong. The nation of Palestine has been recognized by, inter alia, the U.N. and the International Criminal Court.
Not sure if you were replying to me, but in case you did: yes, the state of Palestine is de iure existing and recognised, but de facto it's nowhere to be found. If it had been, it would be able to have its own army, as Simplicius so aptly pointed out in the article we're commenting on :-D
I was replying to Pat: "There never was and never will be a state of Palestine."
Ah! The UN and the ICC - that’s decisive then 😂🤣
Actually, until 1948 there was no country called Israel either. Indeed the original land of Israel passed out of existence in 722 bc when it was taken over by the Assyrians. Further that land was not located where it is today. Israel of today is more closely aligned with the Judea during Roman times. But since God promised the land to Israel and not Judea, it would have been uncomfortable for the Zionists to call their new country Judea even though Israel never existed there. Indeed, it could well be said that there remain no more Israelites at all since after the Assyrian conquest, they were absorbed into the general population.
So in summary, the Zionists not only stole Palestinian land, they also stole the name of "Israel" and claimed they were the people of Israel.
Actually, back then, ‘Palestinians’ lived in Jordan, and were considered Jordanian.
A map of the middle east circa 1940:
https://yandex.ru/images/search?img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F7f%2FThe_Middle_East_in_1940.png%2F586px-The_Middle_East_in_1940.png&lr=114444&pos=1&rpt=simage&text=map%20of%20the%20middle%20east%20circa%201940
Find Jordan.
Find Palestine.
Jordan was split off by the British who administered the area and it gained independence in 1946.
The northern parts of Palestine were for many years part of Southern Syria.
The issue does’t start in 1940. Look up the Ottoman Empire, the Sykes Picot Agreement, etc. If you want to blame anyone regarding unrest in this area, blame the British
Please read what I wrote. I am not assigning blame to anyone. I am merely informing you as to the situation in the Middle East near the beginning of WWII, well after breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Jordan did not exist except as a partition of Palestine at the time. Palestine was never a part of Jordan - only the West Bank was - and that was given over to the Palestinians later.
Hilarious. So in 1948, Arab Muslims and Christians west of the Jordan River were called Brits?
The British Mandate. Briatin controlled, and redesigned the boundaries of the region
"There never was and never will be a state of Palestine"
The same weak logic would conclude there never was an historical State of Israel. Just a temporary name between periods of Colonization by greater Powers.
From Rome, to the Ottomans, now an American Colony, whose lifespan depends entirely on the survival of the U.S. Deep State.
Investing in friends and compromise was and is a difficult option.
Hadrian renamed judea to palestine. Because he disliked the judah tribes rebelling. So he named their province after their ancient enemies the philistines. Now the people of palestine dna direct back to jeshua s days, are now facing invaders aka philistines.
The name fully formed first appears in Herodotus. 5th century BC, though Egyptian and Assyrian terms that are similar are found as far back as 1150BC in inscriptions. Judea was the name of the client kingdom (under the Seleucids) established by the Hasmoneans in 140BC. They gained more autonomy until conquered by Pompey in 63BC and reorganized as a Roman client kingdom. Shortly thereafter, Herod usurped the kingdom from the Hasmoneans. After its conversion to a Roman province in 6AD, the name "Judea" was preservedl. Well, until Hadrian decided to go with the older Egyptian/Assyrian/Greek-derived name in 132, after YA Jewish revolt, the third significant one in say, 70 years. Hence the diaspora.
As a former US Army combat arms soldier, enlisted and later commissioned, from what I've seen I'd say Hamas is composed of extraordinarily vicious and hateful as well as ignorant and fundamentally inept thugs. Given how small the area is professional Israeli forces can absolutely secure control and destroy Hamas. Doing so will of course take time and come with costs. However after what those deranged barbarians did to a great many defenseless Israeli civilians, and many children, we are about to find out how this ends. Israel has no choice but to terminate Hamas.
I'll add (after initial comment) I of course hate seeing innocent Palestinian lives destroyed but recognize the harm results fundamentally from Hamas now using them as human shields. Hamas brings nothing but death and misery to everyone. I hope once Hamas has been destroyed Palestinians in Gaza can find a path to peace with their neighbors.
And your opinion, stated civilly and intelligently, is both welcome and allowed. On the "other side", interestingly enough, that would not be the case. Funny how that works, huh?
Thank you for keeping the discussion open.
It's interesting how everyone has a narrative of "deranged HAMAS barbarians attacking poor Israeli civilians" totally ignore one more far frightening point - Israel has spent decades suppressing and attacking the Palestinians. This action by HAMAS is as much as a provocation as much as it is a "lashing out" at their tormentors.
Hamas just demonstrated to the world that they are unhinged religious radicals afflicted by ethnic hatred when they committed one of the worst mass ethnic slaughters in modern human history. You cannot hope for peace with deranged barbarians and there is clearly no excuse or rationalization which justifies their blood lust and savagery. While a relatively small number of noisy protesters are embracing Hamas' killings, likely due to political prejudice, the rest of the world views them as the hateful monsters they just proved they are, no doubt.
You're lied to about every war since you been alive but now believe this nonsense?
One can't un-brainwash the brain washed. And when they are thick it's even more of a task.
Give your fairy tales a rest. Your ignorance is glaring, but understandable considering where you from. with massive brainwashing and a low education base.
The jews do not want peace and never will. Their greed, their love of power will be their downfall.
I agree with you. We can discuss about the root causes why Palestinians in Gaza are so radicalised but radicalised they are to the level of complete fundamentalism. The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc. Israelis have no choice but to defend event though they are undoubtedly to be blamed for this situation
For the Israeli's, it's the same: "The most backward and dangerous aspects of the culture are at display there - religious extremism, no regard for human life, extreme population growth etc." (Maybe the Israeli population growth is not extreme in all segments of society.)