Perhaps Russia is permitting DJT his ‘honeymoon period,’ since he has been vocal about *having* a conversation w/ VVP and now in fact has actually done just that. The freshness of a literal phone chat is in itself a mile-marker, considering the dearth of communication during the Collective Biden regime. Keep in mind, too, the taboo during the Russiagate hoopla & hoax of any sort of contact between DJT and VVP. If you recall the way their connection was scrutinized during the Helsinki Summit in July 2018, all the suspicion heaped upon DJT’s obvious interest in working productively w/ VVP, all the Treason-speak which was in the air, courtesy of John Brennan in particular. Standing side by side at their podiums, VVP handed DJT a futbol (Russia had just hosted the World Cup)—and DJT tossed it to Melania, who was seated in the front row, saying his son Barron would love the souvenir a lot. Talking heads on CNN freaked out: they insisted DJT have the futbol screened to make sure there were no hidden mikes.
For a president who always believed it was “a good thing” for our country “to get along w/ Russia,” DJT never had an honest & free chance to test that out during his first term. Now he does—and Russia is indulging his moment.
Realistically, I see a military victory for Russia in which it dictates terms. Providing for its own security, w/ a battlefield win, is the only way to guarantee peacefulness in its sphere of interest. And that means forcing Ukraine/OTAN to capitulate.
DJT may not like that, may not want that--may indeed feel disappointed. But disappointment is not hate...
The end, when it comes, will be legendary, it will be singular. Historians will write about it for a hundred years. VVP will claim victory on behalf of Russia. He's got that dog in him.
Imagine the mental gymnastics trying to keep the financial system imploding; the amount of totally illogical economic advice is akin to voodooism. Magical incantations will levitate the economy ever higher. Concurrently the west's war gods demand further sacrifices, and yes the home countries are on the menu.
I'll give you one thing. Trump actually *tried* - the prior 4 years were a case study in how not to do diplomacy, unless the definition of being diplomatic is to flip someone the double bird and then stick your fingers in your ears saying "nanny nanny boo boo."
"Spray and pray" is the way with Trump. This approach has some successes, but it has many more dead ends and plain old failures, especially if it's about anything that requires more than a week or two of focus.
This is pretty much an unsolved problem everywhere. If you allow that long duration focus, you end up with no accountability and the system eventually implodes on itself (cf. any state-owned enterprise, like the ones Thatcher privatized in the U.K.). If you implement near real-time reporting and accountability (like quarterly earnings statements), the long term is ignored and self-destructive decisions become rational.
The only solution I see (other than electing AI to overlord status once the tech is ready) is a good king. Aristotle said as much. He also said good kings are always followed by bad kings, which are the worst of all possible worlds and inevitable as far as I can tell.
S wrote, in reference to the phone conversation, which will forever now be known as The Call, just as the Denver Broncos' 4th Quarter offensive fusillade against the Cleveland Browns in the AFC title game of 1986 is known as The Drive, "In actuality, there's virtually nothing to talk about."
the embarrassing behavior of US whores-in-charge is nothing but a sign of obedience to their true owners, the supranational /supremacist banking cartel and the dishonorable "just business" MIC.
I totally agree, Cheeto. Putin and Trump have both been dissed by the EU elites, and I believe both of them are laughing about these pompous idiots who don't give a damn about their own citizens.
The French poofters who got guillotined during the revolution are ardent populists and political geniuses in comparison to the braindead slime that constitutes our current "elite".
I'm not so sure if that's true. The French aristocracy seems like it was completely disconnected from everything around them - the reason why a false attribution like "let them eat cake" resounded as absolute truth. Our political elite of the Biden years and currently in Brussels / most European countries seem connected to what's happening on the ground. It's just that their goals and the goals of their populations are diametrically opposed.
Louis XVI was genuinely surprised and mostly unaware of the depth of dissatisfaction against his regime, and the extent and danger of different movements to overthrow it. The current political geniuses are well aware of both - and have been balls to the wall in steps to prevent it, like flooding the west with deeply traumatized, unassailable, and unskilled/low I.Q. immigrants.
excellent comments, I too agree that Russia won't stop until it has what it needs. In the end it may come down to agreeing to joint treaty-governed ownership of the ports under Russian guarantee and all the attendant clauses and sub-clauses, as well as to Kiev being an open city under Russian protectorate. Something that avoids the blood that will be spilled if Russia has to take them by force but gives Russia palpable influence over Ukraine's foreign relations and domestic politics. .
For Russia and Putin Ukraine is important but so much as a lasting peace agreement - this outweighs anything the Ukraine issue brings to the table. I anticipate a higher level deal that frees Trump from a humiliating defeat in Ukraine whilst at the same time offering him the possibility of sharing a Nobel prize for Peace. That would suit him quite well, both masking his inability to bring Russia to an agreement on his terms and feeding his massive ego.
I believe Trump will work with Putin and Xi to form a global agreement on partitioning most of the world into respective areas of interest, bringing with it the possibility of a lasting peace - note, I say 'possibility' - but then, image is everything, isn't it?
the bankers and war profiteers have been using their tools of mossad/cia/MI6 to prevent "the possibility of a lasting peace." To prosper, money changers need rivers of blood and mounds of flesh.
Look at the real Holocaust in Gaza (including the use of white phosphorous and carpet bombing of hospitals) –– the supremacist scum and their servants in US/EU governments are totally fine with the largest ever numbers of pediatric amputees in Gaza. None of the holobiz museums and synagogues has protested the genocidal actions of jewish fascists in Gaza, yet jews at the holobiz museums and synagogues continue squealing like pigs about their special "incomparable sufferings" and "superior morality." Zionism is just the jewish version of fascism / nazism.
The US / EU governments have been arming and financing the destroyers of monuments to WWIII in Europe. Nazi thugs are the last hope for the zionized banking cartel and MIC.
>They even convincingly link the recent seeming slow-down on the front to this, painting a portrait of Putin ‘winding down’ the action as a ‘gesture of good will’.
There is a much simpler explanation -- the soldiers on the ground constantly hear talks about "negotiations", thus they see the next dogovornyak coming, and are naturally wondering what the point of continuing to fight is. Can you blame them?
But this is the typical pattern for the Kremlin under Putinism -- defining clear goals and sticking to them, rallying the troops and the public, etc. is something they fail abysmally at again and again and again. And then they backstab the Russian people, again and again and again, so who can trust them about anything?
>In actuality, there’s virtually nothing to talk about. Not only has Putin clearly dictated that no legal document can be signed with an illegitimate president like Zelensky—which itself puts off any “negotiations” until Zelensky is long gone—but the truth is, it’s hard to imagine any legal document being signed with the West as well
So if there is nothing to talk about and there will be no dogovornyak soon, then why is Putin continuing to shackle the Russian army and not finally switching to a regime of seriously trying to win the war?
>In the past few days, major gas terminals and other power grid hubs were hit in Chernigov, Poltava, Sumy, and elsewhere, with videos showing walls of flames lighting up the night skies at the facilities.
What is the point of hitting these objects when Ukrainian command-and-control and logistics are still fully intact, now almost entering the fourth year of this shitshow? When will Putin answer the question of why all the targets that would actually incapacitate the AFU continue to be off-limits?
Yep. And how come ports are still operating? Ships should be sunk right there at the wharf rendering it unusable. Ports with dredged roads ships should be sunk right there in the roads. What about the planes bringing in the arms, planes and trains? Why aren't they identified and interdicted?
It is widely admitted now that the Russian military had many, many problems and had to learn to fight, to organise itself to fight, to rid itself of much rot and so on. Halfway along according to Prighozin this was still not done.
At this end (?) stage I think it is still not done.
No, actually none of the questions you are asking relate in any way to the Russian military's problems.
Those problems affected the ground troops.
But it is not the job of the ground troops to do any of that, it is the job of the VKS and the strategic missile forces. And those have shown beyond any doubt that they can hit what they have been told to hit accurately and effectively.
They just haven't been ordered to destroy what needs to be destroyed.
Governments typically don't provide a transcript of high level diplomatic conversations. They provide a document called a "readout" summarizing the conversation. This reflects the flavor and interpretation of the conversation they want to present to the public.
Also, when both sides provide readouts, it both confirms that the event took place and provides an avenue for both sides to confirm that their understandings of what took place are aligned.
"The Ukrainian 79th brigade reportedly reflected on the betrayal of soon having to fight and die for American-owned ‘rare earth’ mines, rather than their own Ukrainian land"
But this is exactly what Zelenski proposed months ago. If you won't fight for the people of Ukraine, fight for the minerals, he moaned at the west.
Of course had Zelenski done what his western masters wanted and crippled Russia enough to seize their energy, he wouldn't need to go cap in hand with his second-rate offering of Ukrainian minerals. The whole notion is ludicrous, because tens if not hundreds of billions worth of infrastructure will be required to extract them if these minerals are even accessible, and theres no way of knowing with any certainty their quality and quantity.
"There are few worse missions that soldiers face than being sent to fight for a political symbol." - Martin Windrow, The Last Valley
And that's all those minerals are, a symbol, because no matter the outcome of this war, the people of Ukraine will never receive any of the profit from their exploitation.
There will be no peace treaty because it would be bad politics for Trump, and Putin has no reason to concede anything...So it will end as some of us predicted, with the Russians taking everything they want, and a neutralized and disarmed rump Ukraine...In consequence of which, Black Rock and the City of London banks will likely be insolvent, and NATO will be on death watch...what a shame!
The rest of the World can then resume its sensible everyday activities....,
Exactly! Nothing has changed for Russia and VVP continues to insist that the root causes of the conflict be eliminated (i.e. Nato encroachment and security violations) via the stated goals of demilitarization, de-nazification and neutrality. It seems that only the collapse of Nato and the end of U.S. meddling can assure this; if so, the end of the war is not near.
"Vladimir Putin pointed out it was necessary to eliminate the root causes of the conflict and agreed with Donald Trump in that a sustainable settlement could only be reached via peaceful negotiations." (Kremlin)
Ok, ok. Russia is omnipotent and is going to steamroll Ukraine any minute now. Putin is a "far-looking" benevolent genius who only pays lip service to placate the entire West, while his plans are obviously and rightly to smash Ukraine and it's illegitimate Nazi leader, the buffoon Zelensky.
Might I suggest you hold your views a bit closer to the vest, as they are outrageous and dumb.
No, I saw your comment and it reads like a typical USAID funded NAFO/OFAN 'fella' cope. Either that or a no-questions-asked Trump fellator. Both are dumbasses.
What's your argument anyway? Those are not a mildly exaggerated version of Simplicius' views? He doesn't think Russia is just the most kickass country on the planet? Make an argument.
"Argument"?! After you started off by regurgitating the shit we saw from NAFO/OFAN clowns (and MSDNC or Newspeak) in July of 2022 interspersed with what the Trump fanbois are saying about why he didn't "end the (fucking) war" in the first 24 hours? LMFAO
My argument is clear to anybody who's literate. Are you literate? I think Simplicius is too obviously a Russia simp. Wtf does that have to do with the USAID or NAFO [sic] ?
Hi Nathan - 9gag's asking for you to come back. The fellas are withering under the assault of USAID funding being withdrawn, and need your continued support. Remember your oath: "Nothing is Beyond Our Reach".
I salute you, Fella! Go NAFO! Please remember to bring your camo dress and rainbow patchies.
Sweeping maelstrom? Enough with the D&D 80s teenager shit. LMAO c'mon. Trump had a long flowing intellectual discussion with VVP? Putin could barely tolerate Tucker, by all accounts a much more articulate and thoughtful person than DJT. To the point that Putin just went on a long stream of history lesson. I don't believe fuckin' Trump had anything even resembling a real conversation with VVP. Hell, he probably had President Elon right there using an "AI" speech to text translator and Putin probably had an intern answering.
Trump is a chameleon depending on the audience. An alpha narc salesperson is not going to be what you are describing to Putin. He's going to be as interesting as he can be - and narcs can be very interesting. My ex-wife was one and she could portray whatever was needed. It's pretty interesting to watch if you understand the situation.
"Putin could barely tolerate Tucker, by all accounts a much more articulate and thoughtful person than DJT. "
Okay, I'll bite. Like him or not...Tucker is far from the intellectual lightweight he's being charged with. Just be advised, he took the big leap to interview not only V. Orban but went to Moscow and interviewed, respectfully, A. Dugin, Lavrov and Putin. Who in the 'land-of-the-free' does THAT? He also compared the Moscow subway to the NY City subway and it wasn't a favorable comparison for the NY train wreck (no pun, etc). He also did a great interview with the young Russian, Pavel Durov, founder of Telegram. Durov came off as sophisticated and absolutely brilliant. His English was flawless. All of the aforementioned Tucker conversations humanized the Russians...a job never done by our "hate all things Russian" crowd in the US-where I live. Most of my presumably educated associates here have zero clues about Russia, anything "Russian" or their inherent right to defend themselves.
Here is my take on President Trump. Zelensky is a CIA puppet. The CIA/Intelligence agencies are a cancer to the USA. Putin is a capable leader that the USA can work with. The death of Ukrainians, Russians, anyone in war is sad & wasteful. Nato & Europe can go pound sand. How much of the Ukraine do we have to give away to stop the madness?
The CIA is indeed a cancer, but they have managed to survive on their host for 7 decades now, and have survived far more dangerous enemies than the easily-distracted DJT.
"The death of Ukrainians, Russians, anyone in war is sad & wasteful."
Silly goy, only dead Jews count! That's why this war exists at all.
Trump is tied up with the Likudists, and supports Orthodoxy (who are mostly Sephardic). Zelensky is Ashkenazi and is their puppet.
The two groups have almost nothing in common. Ashkenazi are mostly atheists who support male-on-male anal sex action in the strongest of terms. Orthodox aren't and don't.
As for the rest, thank you for another comprehensive analysis. All I can add is that it is ass bitingly cold in Ukraine atm. Woke up this morning and it was -12.
Similarly cold here in central Minnesota, USA, it is -25°C (-13°F to us primitives). Water lines a meter or more deep in the ground are freezing as there is only a little snow cover insulating the earth- I will spend this morning trying to unfreeze some of them. So I have a related question?
Is it cold and frozen deeply enough in Northern Ukraine/Southern Belarus for a main battle tank to cross the swampy low ground around Pripyat marshes/the Polesian low lands?
If so, I think RF can play at opening another front more effectively than Ukraine did near Kursk perhaps?
And after doing such a thing, once the best and brightest of Banderite Ukraine had panicked and thrown everything they could into a line protecting Kiev & environs from that direction, perhaps the people in Odessa who did not like what happened at the trade union building in 2014 might make that city their own again, with just a little encouragement and materiel assistance?
Of course the war is not going to just stop, the objectives of the SMO have not been met.
The big news is that the US is leaving the scene, and that speeds up the time for the fat lady to sing. Russia knows it, Zelensky knows it, and Europe knows it.
Not only is Trump going to dump this on Europe, but he's cut the head off of the USAID beast, which is really the death knell.
Putin is a patient and pragmatic man. He doesn't trust the US or the West, but this is nothing but good news for Russia. It will take a long time to finish denatzifying and demilitarizing Ukraine. Trump has now said no NATO, ever. The EU will keep being stupid and outrageous, but they won't do anything, they'll be busy trying to keep their citizens from hanging them for ruining their economies and liberties.
Americans do not care about the war. They care about all our money being wasted by lying grifters, and we want the US out of meddling, bribing, and coercing, especially to the corrupt dictator in Ukraine.
Perhaps Russia is permitting DJT his ‘honeymoon period,’ since he has been vocal about *having* a conversation w/ VVP and now in fact has actually done just that. The freshness of a literal phone chat is in itself a mile-marker, considering the dearth of communication during the Collective Biden regime. Keep in mind, too, the taboo during the Russiagate hoopla & hoax of any sort of contact between DJT and VVP. If you recall the way their connection was scrutinized during the Helsinki Summit in July 2018, all the suspicion heaped upon DJT’s obvious interest in working productively w/ VVP, all the Treason-speak which was in the air, courtesy of John Brennan in particular. Standing side by side at their podiums, VVP handed DJT a futbol (Russia had just hosted the World Cup)—and DJT tossed it to Melania, who was seated in the front row, saying his son Barron would love the souvenir a lot. Talking heads on CNN freaked out: they insisted DJT have the futbol screened to make sure there were no hidden mikes.
For a president who always believed it was “a good thing” for our country “to get along w/ Russia,” DJT never had an honest & free chance to test that out during his first term. Now he does—and Russia is indulging his moment.
Realistically, I see a military victory for Russia in which it dictates terms. Providing for its own security, w/ a battlefield win, is the only way to guarantee peacefulness in its sphere of interest. And that means forcing Ukraine/OTAN to capitulate.
DJT may not like that, may not want that--may indeed feel disappointed. But disappointment is not hate...
The end, when it comes, will be legendary, it will be singular. Historians will write about it for a hundred years. VVP will claim victory on behalf of Russia. He's got that dog in him.
Imagine the mental gymnastics trying to keep the financial system imploding; the amount of totally illogical economic advice is akin to voodooism. Magical incantations will levitate the economy ever higher. Concurrently the west's war gods demand further sacrifices, and yes the home countries are on the menu.
Economics itself is founded upon as much Reality as Voodooism, frankly.
A system of "assigned values" articles of Articles of Faith, in essence.
I used to think they weren't poisoning our food to make us sick..."𝐛𝐮𝐭" this changed everything.... https://t.co/nCY59BzOJl
I'll give you one thing. Trump actually *tried* - the prior 4 years were a case study in how not to do diplomacy, unless the definition of being diplomatic is to flip someone the double bird and then stick your fingers in your ears saying "nanny nanny boo boo."
"Spray and pray" is the way with Trump. This approach has some successes, but it has many more dead ends and plain old failures, especially if it's about anything that requires more than a week or two of focus.
Long duration focus is beyond the intellectual capabilities of the Western Political/Managerial Class (PMC).
This is pretty much an unsolved problem everywhere. If you allow that long duration focus, you end up with no accountability and the system eventually implodes on itself (cf. any state-owned enterprise, like the ones Thatcher privatized in the U.K.). If you implement near real-time reporting and accountability (like quarterly earnings statements), the long term is ignored and self-destructive decisions become rational.
The only solution I see (other than electing AI to overlord status once the tech is ready) is a good king. Aristotle said as much. He also said good kings are always followed by bad kings, which are the worst of all possible worlds and inevitable as far as I can tell.
I agree, it has been so for a long time. Short termism is the name of the game aka "take the money & run".
S wrote, in reference to the phone conversation, which will forever now be known as The Call, just as the Denver Broncos' 4th Quarter offensive fusillade against the Cleveland Browns in the AFC title game of 1986 is known as The Drive, "In actuality, there's virtually nothing to talk about."
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That DJT and VVP are *talking*
is
what's worth
talking about.
The US hasn't talked to Russia in over 3 years. That's absurd, especially considering what's been going on.
This is indeed a big deal.
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It's frankly embarrassing, given the lack of maturity on display.
the embarrassing behavior of US whores-in-charge is nothing but a sign of obedience to their true owners, the supranational /supremacist banking cartel and the dishonorable "just business" MIC.
what's in a name ("Kellogg").
I totally agree, Cheeto. Putin and Trump have both been dissed by the EU elites, and I believe both of them are laughing about these pompous idiots who don't give a damn about their own citizens.
Look who the cool kids are now.
The French poofters who got guillotined during the revolution are ardent populists and political geniuses in comparison to the braindead slime that constitutes our current "elite".
I'm not so sure if that's true. The French aristocracy seems like it was completely disconnected from everything around them - the reason why a false attribution like "let them eat cake" resounded as absolute truth. Our political elite of the Biden years and currently in Brussels / most European countries seem connected to what's happening on the ground. It's just that their goals and the goals of their populations are diametrically opposed.
Louis XVI was genuinely surprised and mostly unaware of the depth of dissatisfaction against his regime, and the extent and danger of different movements to overthrow it. The current political geniuses are well aware of both - and have been balls to the wall in steps to prevent it, like flooding the west with deeply traumatized, unassailable, and unskilled/low I.Q. immigrants.
excellent comments, I too agree that Russia won't stop until it has what it needs. In the end it may come down to agreeing to joint treaty-governed ownership of the ports under Russian guarantee and all the attendant clauses and sub-clauses, as well as to Kiev being an open city under Russian protectorate. Something that avoids the blood that will be spilled if Russia has to take them by force but gives Russia palpable influence over Ukraine's foreign relations and domestic politics. .
For Russia and Putin Ukraine is important but so much as a lasting peace agreement - this outweighs anything the Ukraine issue brings to the table. I anticipate a higher level deal that frees Trump from a humiliating defeat in Ukraine whilst at the same time offering him the possibility of sharing a Nobel prize for Peace. That would suit him quite well, both masking his inability to bring Russia to an agreement on his terms and feeding his massive ego.
I believe Trump will work with Putin and Xi to form a global agreement on partitioning most of the world into respective areas of interest, bringing with it the possibility of a lasting peace - note, I say 'possibility' - but then, image is everything, isn't it?
the bankers and war profiteers have been using their tools of mossad/cia/MI6 to prevent "the possibility of a lasting peace." To prosper, money changers need rivers of blood and mounds of flesh.
Look at the real Holocaust in Gaza (including the use of white phosphorous and carpet bombing of hospitals) –– the supremacist scum and their servants in US/EU governments are totally fine with the largest ever numbers of pediatric amputees in Gaza. None of the holobiz museums and synagogues has protested the genocidal actions of jewish fascists in Gaza, yet jews at the holobiz museums and synagogues continue squealing like pigs about their special "incomparable sufferings" and "superior morality." Zionism is just the jewish version of fascism / nazism.
The US / EU governments have been arming and financing the destroyers of monuments to WWIII in Europe. Nazi thugs are the last hope for the zionized banking cartel and MIC.
>They even convincingly link the recent seeming slow-down on the front to this, painting a portrait of Putin ‘winding down’ the action as a ‘gesture of good will’.
There is a much simpler explanation -- the soldiers on the ground constantly hear talks about "negotiations", thus they see the next dogovornyak coming, and are naturally wondering what the point of continuing to fight is. Can you blame them?
But this is the typical pattern for the Kremlin under Putinism -- defining clear goals and sticking to them, rallying the troops and the public, etc. is something they fail abysmally at again and again and again. And then they backstab the Russian people, again and again and again, so who can trust them about anything?
>In actuality, there’s virtually nothing to talk about. Not only has Putin clearly dictated that no legal document can be signed with an illegitimate president like Zelensky—which itself puts off any “negotiations” until Zelensky is long gone—but the truth is, it’s hard to imagine any legal document being signed with the West as well
So if there is nothing to talk about and there will be no dogovornyak soon, then why is Putin continuing to shackle the Russian army and not finally switching to a regime of seriously trying to win the war?
>In the past few days, major gas terminals and other power grid hubs were hit in Chernigov, Poltava, Sumy, and elsewhere, with videos showing walls of flames lighting up the night skies at the facilities.
What is the point of hitting these objects when Ukrainian command-and-control and logistics are still fully intact, now almost entering the fourth year of this shitshow? When will Putin answer the question of why all the targets that would actually incapacitate the AFU continue to be off-limits?
Hi liar. How does losing feel ? It is your reality 24/7
Hopefully your account is blocked for trolling soon, too.
Yep. And how come ports are still operating? Ships should be sunk right there at the wharf rendering it unusable. Ports with dredged roads ships should be sunk right there in the roads. What about the planes bringing in the arms, planes and trains? Why aren't they identified and interdicted?
It is widely admitted now that the Russian military had many, many problems and had to learn to fight, to organise itself to fight, to rid itself of much rot and so on. Halfway along according to Prighozin this was still not done.
At this end (?) stage I think it is still not done.
No, actually none of the questions you are asking relate in any way to the Russian military's problems.
Those problems affected the ground troops.
But it is not the job of the ground troops to do any of that, it is the job of the VKS and the strategic missile forces. And those have shown beyond any doubt that they can hit what they have been told to hit accurately and effectively.
They just haven't been ordered to destroy what needs to be destroyed.
Putin does not want Russian victory.
Dumbest comment on the thread... Chip
Biden Putin phone chat - please explain!!!
Pretty sure that was an oversight and relic of recent past.
yes, should be Trump here
Woops.
"Russian Ruble has soared today, as well as virtually all Russian stocks,
after the Biden-Putin phone chat"
Двойное добро
Dvoynoye dobro
Solid, realistic piece. Thank you. Here's the Russian readout of the conversation--along with Zelensky's comments on his call from Trump. https://natyliesbaldwin.com/2025/02/kremlin-readout-of-putins-telephone-conversation-with-trump-trumps-report-of-the-call-on-truth-social-zelenskys-comments-after-phone-call-with-trump/
What is meant by "readout"? There is no transcript.
Governments typically don't provide a transcript of high level diplomatic conversations. They provide a document called a "readout" summarizing the conversation. This reflects the flavor and interpretation of the conversation they want to present to the public.
Also, when both sides provide readouts, it both confirms that the event took place and provides an avenue for both sides to confirm that their understandings of what took place are aligned.
Standard diplomatic protocol.
"The Ukrainian 79th brigade reportedly reflected on the betrayal of soon having to fight and die for American-owned ‘rare earth’ mines, rather than their own Ukrainian land"
But this is exactly what Zelenski proposed months ago. If you won't fight for the people of Ukraine, fight for the minerals, he moaned at the west.
Of course had Zelenski done what his western masters wanted and crippled Russia enough to seize their energy, he wouldn't need to go cap in hand with his second-rate offering of Ukrainian minerals. The whole notion is ludicrous, because tens if not hundreds of billions worth of infrastructure will be required to extract them if these minerals are even accessible, and theres no way of knowing with any certainty their quality and quantity.
At least Trump is making him sweat on it.
"There are few worse missions that soldiers face than being sent to fight for a political symbol." - Martin Windrow, The Last Valley
And that's all those minerals are, a symbol, because no matter the outcome of this war, the people of Ukraine will never receive any of the profit from their exploitation.
Maybe a slight correction is needed 😘: “Russian Ruble has soared today, as well as virtually all Russian stocks, after the Biden-Putin phone chat:”
There will be no peace treaty because it would be bad politics for Trump, and Putin has no reason to concede anything...So it will end as some of us predicted, with the Russians taking everything they want, and a neutralized and disarmed rump Ukraine...In consequence of which, Black Rock and the City of London banks will likely be insolvent, and NATO will be on death watch...what a shame!
The rest of the World can then resume its sensible everyday activities....,
Probably not
Sez’you
So less than a few hours, you proven your last article wrong. I believe this war will end this year
I guess since you couldn't prove me wrong, someone had to do it
The former article was about Baltic Sea and the efforts to provoke a bigger War. You are trolling.
Exactly! Nothing has changed for Russia and VVP continues to insist that the root causes of the conflict be eliminated (i.e. Nato encroachment and security violations) via the stated goals of demilitarization, de-nazification and neutrality. It seems that only the collapse of Nato and the end of U.S. meddling can assure this; if so, the end of the war is not near.
"Vladimir Putin pointed out it was necessary to eliminate the root causes of the conflict and agreed with Donald Trump in that a sustainable settlement could only be reached via peaceful negotiations." (Kremlin)
Ok, ok. Russia is omnipotent and is going to steamroll Ukraine any minute now. Putin is a "far-looking" benevolent genius who only pays lip service to placate the entire West, while his plans are obviously and rightly to smash Ukraine and it's illegitimate Nazi leader, the buffoon Zelensky.
Might I suggest you hold your views a bit closer to the vest, as they are outrageous and dumb.
Dumbass you only read the headline. LOL. Totally didn't even read the article.
I read the article. You disagree with me so you assume I didn't read it..clearly you are the dumbass.
No, I saw your comment and it reads like a typical USAID funded NAFO/OFAN 'fella' cope. Either that or a no-questions-asked Trump fellator. Both are dumbasses.
What's your argument anyway? Those are not a mildly exaggerated version of Simplicius' views? He doesn't think Russia is just the most kickass country on the planet? Make an argument.
"Argument"?! After you started off by regurgitating the shit we saw from NAFO/OFAN clowns (and MSDNC or Newspeak) in July of 2022 interspersed with what the Trump fanbois are saying about why he didn't "end the (fucking) war" in the first 24 hours? LMFAO
What's *your* "argument" ?
What are you talking about dude? You're mistaking me with someone else.
Mistaking you for the person replying to my responses and asking me questions?
I (don't) want whatever you're smoking.
You replied to my comment calling me a dumbass and made no argument as to why you disagreed. And you still haven't made any argument. So fuck off.
My argument is clear to anybody who's literate. Are you literate? I think Simplicius is too obviously a Russia simp. Wtf does that have to do with the USAID or NAFO [sic] ?
"rightly to smash Ukraine and it's illegitimate Nazi leader...." not "nazi" you retard
NAME the JEW
Hi Nathan - 9gag's asking for you to come back. The fellas are withering under the assault of USAID funding being withdrawn, and need your continued support. Remember your oath: "Nothing is Beyond Our Reach".
I salute you, Fella! Go NAFO! Please remember to bring your camo dress and rainbow patchies.
Sweeping maelstrom? Enough with the D&D 80s teenager shit. LMAO c'mon. Trump had a long flowing intellectual discussion with VVP? Putin could barely tolerate Tucker, by all accounts a much more articulate and thoughtful person than DJT. To the point that Putin just went on a long stream of history lesson. I don't believe fuckin' Trump had anything even resembling a real conversation with VVP. Hell, he probably had President Elon right there using an "AI" speech to text translator and Putin probably had an intern answering.
I do hope VVP schooled DJT on Yaroslav the Wise, just as he did Tucker.
Trump is a chameleon depending on the audience. An alpha narc salesperson is not going to be what you are describing to Putin. He's going to be as interesting as he can be - and narcs can be very interesting. My ex-wife was one and she could portray whatever was needed. It's pretty interesting to watch if you understand the situation.
"Putin could barely tolerate Tucker, by all accounts a much more articulate and thoughtful person than DJT. "
Okay, I'll bite. Like him or not...Tucker is far from the intellectual lightweight he's being charged with. Just be advised, he took the big leap to interview not only V. Orban but went to Moscow and interviewed, respectfully, A. Dugin, Lavrov and Putin. Who in the 'land-of-the-free' does THAT? He also compared the Moscow subway to the NY City subway and it wasn't a favorable comparison for the NY train wreck (no pun, etc). He also did a great interview with the young Russian, Pavel Durov, founder of Telegram. Durov came off as sophisticated and absolutely brilliant. His English was flawless. All of the aforementioned Tucker conversations humanized the Russians...a job never done by our "hate all things Russian" crowd in the US-where I live. Most of my presumably educated associates here have zero clues about Russia, anything "Russian" or their inherent right to defend themselves.
This concludes my homily for Thursday.
remember what happened w/Durov not long after (aug. 2024) the Tucker interview (april 2024).... https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2024/08/27/why-was-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france-and-what-charges-could-he-be-facing_6722400_13.html
Here is my take on President Trump. Zelensky is a CIA puppet. The CIA/Intelligence agencies are a cancer to the USA. Putin is a capable leader that the USA can work with. The death of Ukrainians, Russians, anyone in war is sad & wasteful. Nato & Europe can go pound sand. How much of the Ukraine do we have to give away to stop the madness?
If only geopolitics was that straightforward...
The CIA is indeed a cancer, but they have managed to survive on their host for 7 decades now, and have survived far more dangerous enemies than the easily-distracted DJT.
"The death of Ukrainians, Russians, anyone in war is sad & wasteful."
Silly goy, only dead Jews count! That's why this war exists at all.
zion don and Zelensky are jew puppets....
Trump is tied up with the Likudists, and supports Orthodoxy (who are mostly Sephardic). Zelensky is Ashkenazi and is their puppet.
The two groups have almost nothing in common. Ashkenazi are mostly atheists who support male-on-male anal sex action in the strongest of terms. Orthodox aren't and don't.
I tire of politicians who when presented an opportunity to be seen as either a fool or a liar choose BOTH.
Wait... the BIDEN-Putin talk? Oopsy :)
As for the rest, thank you for another comprehensive analysis. All I can add is that it is ass bitingly cold in Ukraine atm. Woke up this morning and it was -12.
@Sam Ursu
Similarly cold here in central Minnesota, USA, it is -25°C (-13°F to us primitives). Water lines a meter or more deep in the ground are freezing as there is only a little snow cover insulating the earth- I will spend this morning trying to unfreeze some of them. So I have a related question?
Is it cold and frozen deeply enough in Northern Ukraine/Southern Belarus for a main battle tank to cross the swampy low ground around Pripyat marshes/the Polesian low lands?
If so, I think RF can play at opening another front more effectively than Ukraine did near Kursk perhaps?
And after doing such a thing, once the best and brightest of Banderite Ukraine had panicked and thrown everything they could into a line protecting Kiev & environs from that direction, perhaps the people in Odessa who did not like what happened at the trade union building in 2014 might make that city their own again, with just a little encouragement and materiel assistance?
Of course the war is not going to just stop, the objectives of the SMO have not been met.
The big news is that the US is leaving the scene, and that speeds up the time for the fat lady to sing. Russia knows it, Zelensky knows it, and Europe knows it.
Not only is Trump going to dump this on Europe, but he's cut the head off of the USAID beast, which is really the death knell.
Putin is a patient and pragmatic man. He doesn't trust the US or the West, but this is nothing but good news for Russia. It will take a long time to finish denatzifying and demilitarizing Ukraine. Trump has now said no NATO, ever. The EU will keep being stupid and outrageous, but they won't do anything, they'll be busy trying to keep their citizens from hanging them for ruining their economies and liberties.
Americans do not care about the war. They care about all our money being wasted by lying grifters, and we want the US out of meddling, bribing, and coercing, especially to the corrupt dictator in Ukraine.
Brava
don't leave out the US proxies and Bibi's goons in the ME
Bingo!!! Chip