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grr's avatar

FFS give it a fucken rest.

Squeeth's avatar

Take your head out of your arse and I'll be able to.

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robert's avatar

quite poetic, maybe too poetic for me.

what are you trying to say? :)

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Appalachian gulches & hollows have seen many disasters and tragedies in the history of this country. This hurricane does not really stand out amongst them. The hill people are doing just fine thank you. Helping each other as they always have. Lake Lure Dam did not fail BTW.

We have no connection to those "Rich men north of Richmond" and would just as soon spit on them as poke them in the eye. Fuckin crackers...

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Denis's avatar

Excellent, Cheetos.

Qwibqwib's avatar

San Fransicko (west coast) , and New York are the Harlot (East Coast). Rev 17:16 - "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

- East coast will catch a nuke

Rev 18:10-14 "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, 13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all." I think the USA is Babylon

-West coast catches a Nuke

RalfB's avatar

There is little doubt in my mind that the whore who made the kings of the earth drunk with the wine of her lust, and whose destruction is seen from afar by mariners on the sea, is the City of London.

Revelation 17:1–18:24

Qwibqwib's avatar

Yes, but London is not buying "The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men" to the world. Not at all like the USA that is...

RalfB's avatar

It is the merchants of the earth that will lose sales, not Babylon, who is shown as consumer of the world's luxuries. Read with comprehension. Also do not lose sight of the fact that you are reading a literary (i.e. fairly loose) translation from the original Greek. At the very least, compare several dissimilar translations to sort of interpolate the sense of the original.

Qwibqwib's avatar

England (not London) GDP £2.162 trillion (2022), California (Not USA) $3.23 trillion. Your comparison doesn't make any sense.

The Bible is translated perfectly from Greek. The Bible is not a Literary work. I don't have to bother with Greek to understand the Bible. This is a diversion.

RalfB's avatar

You mean to say, that every one of dozens of available translations is simultaneously perfectly inerrant? Even where they conflict?

And GDP is a phony measure. The City of London controls far more than just British GDP. I am assuming that you know that by City of London I mean something slightly different than London, the city.

Qwibqwib's avatar

I am talking about the KJV. Everything else is illegitimate and I can prove it.

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Normally I don't mind people sharing their own work here, but you don't even appear to be a Subscriber, nor--as far as I can see--have ever interacted here before. Thus dumping one's own links in such a manner is considered a little inappropriate.

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Thank you. The Sun rises in the East; settling, low, yet lower in the West. God will guide, family. ❤️🐈‍⬛

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Concerned Celtiberian's avatar

Allow me to pls repost my comment here: the “crater near Mossad HQ video” is clearly fake & gay. No way in hell or earth that a ballistic missile with an >300KG warhead slams into a park, creates a ca. 10m wide crater of fresh dirt (as in not cooked, compacted, look at the many many FAB craters in Ukraine ) and doesn’t even burn the grass or knock down the frigging lampposts around it. This was not BDA but DCT - Damage Control Theater to feed to the public.

Jack Dee's avatar

How about just a falling piece of an Iranian ballistic missile or an Israeli interceptor missile?

Either one of those seem to make more sense than having a landscaping / set design crew all ready to roll and make craters to show foreign journalists. Although I suppose you could lower explosives down the drain and then detonate them.

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Concerned Celtiberian's avatar

You are right, of course, you have to give the Ukrainians credit: their PR work is the best around.

Sam's uncle's avatar

In NATO-land, yes. Especially the midget that launders money, not shirts.

But most Ukrainians know their media is bullshit and their regime is grotesque.

And regard Russia as same Soviet-inherited shit, only worse.

Not much of a future either way.

Scott's avatar

I think your point about bullshit Uke media is not true so much in Kiev itself. I have friends there who are, for instance, so surprised when I mention the TCC shanghais going on, among other things. They claim they have not seen or heard anything like that. They don't believe it.

The kicker is that even if I show them photo or video evidence they claim that Russia has an extremely sophisticated propaganda capability and thus any such "evidence" is made up by them.

How's that for some deep brainwashing??

Wiremu Harpuka's avatar

Er, that's exactly what they do. They own Hollywood.

Concerned Celtiberian's avatar

Yeah, sure, it could be any of both possibilities you mentioned. In any case, the point is that this was definitely an obfuscation theater to downplay any real damage to high value targets.

No1's avatar

I would even like to state that there was very little damage done by the missiles.

Most of the damage is to Israels imago as "the superior military" in the region. THAT is devastating in my opinion. Every splinter-group takes notice that their air defense is not infallible... That's more damaging than a few buildings getting blown to smithereens.

grr's avatar

"I would even like to state that there was very little damage done by the missiles."

Are you blind? Do you know how to search for information on a computer?

grr's avatar

Obviously not true also.

Scott's avatar

Well, knowing how to search on a computer is one thing. Allowing yourself to delve into areas that counter your precious narrative is quite another.

Denis's avatar

As a side note, Andy Schectman says he has information that BRICS will introduce a new currency called the "Unit" at its annual meeting later this month. The "Unit" will be backed by 40% in gold and the rest in currencies. I can't confirm what Andy is saying here so we'll see. But, if BRICS backs its currency by 40% gold, That, my friends, would be a sign of a much weaker USD in the not-too-distant future. I wouldn't be trading against the Fed just yet though. lol But if Andy is right, the US hegemon's military and debt-backed USD took this one fast and straight to the balls. Under such a scenario I would expect the USD to decline slowly and then "suddenly". Could it be the catalyst that propels gold prices to sustain its upward trajectory?

Sam Ursu's avatar

well goddamn, if a guy shilling gold for a living says it's true, i guess it must be! LOL

Denis's avatar

lol, Sam. Yea, but at least I can call him a flaming liar if the info is false.

Feral Finster's avatar

Schectman will just more on to the next shill.

Jack Dee's avatar

Very good point.

It reminds me of a story I saw about some shady operator who was shilling software that could pick winners at the racetrack. Before I sit through all the sales pitch guff I have to ask, If this actually works then why are you selling it to ME? Won't that reduce YOUR payout?

Ngungu's avatar

You're not comparing like with like. Selling a story of a gold-backed currency is meant as an encouragement to buy gold, thus pushing up its price, thus lining Andy's pockets as well as those of the other investors.

Selling a an app by your shady operator will only line his pocket, not yours.

Gold is a commodity, that winner-picking app is not.

occamsrazorback22's avatar

So if you're a gold bull, some day theoretically you trade gold for fiat paper since buying a 6-pak of Duff beer at the store, with gold, is a non-starter. And, when people start selling, doesn't that reduce the supposed value/price of gold? (Supply/demand story) Is anyone actually required to buy the gold you're trying to sell? Ever? What "price" leverage does one have, when trying to sell their gold? Serious question. I confess, I don't begin to understand the "value" of Bitcoin and the like...so there's that?! I personally have found that resisting the urge to buy crap is the best store of value overall. " A penny saved is a penny earned..."

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Ngungu's avatar

Except your pennies are losing their value ... rapidly.

BTW, gold is not an exchange medium, it is a store of value. As the value of currencies drop, so the value of gold rises. So, those gold bars you bought can be exchanged against ever more e.g. $ in line with the $'s devaluation.

Yes, when people sell gold its price goes down (well spotted!) and when they buy it goes up 😉

I have no idea what you mean by "What "price" leverage does one have, when trying to sell their gold?"

occamsrazorback22's avatar

I mean, you sell at what the market will bear if everyone sells in a hurry or more or less at the same time. You’re trying to ‘stop a falling knife’. A basement stocked with canned beans or pallets of TP is also a store of value. Also, any government can make gold sales illegal or subject to an onerous transaction tax.

Especially since the government can follow the paper trail associated with precious metal sales. Ask Sen Robert Menendez how safe it is to stash gold booty in the closet. Not very, I would submit. I appreciate your response to my post. Thanks!

Triumphant Ape's avatar

Not necessarily, gold could be used for purchases. At check out instead of a scanner or paper money small pellets of gold will be weighed. It is also possible to simply weigh out a fixed amount (say an ounce) and put credit onto a card or chits (fiat) for down the road purchased.

https://www.apmex.com/product/22778/1-oz-gold-grain-shot-9999-fine-order-by-the-ounce

occamsrazorback22's avatar

If this was California in 1852 this might work. Leave the mine and go trade your gold pellets for a pair of Levis or a few ounces of coffee or flour at the general store. In modern America where everyone is wound up, there’d be no patience for the the gold for goods suggestion. I get that you’re probably being sarcastic.

Jack Dee's avatar

No, it's the same problem, The Principal-Agent problem.

If you employ someone to give you advice on the markets then they should be working for your best interests you play them a set fee or %. The agent is not permitted to give advice that works to his advantage but the principals' disadvantage.

Politicians are not allowed to award public contracts to companies they have a stake in, athletes may not place a bet on a game they are playing in.

You could hire a magician or fortune teller to give you the Lotto numbers only if they don't buy any tickets themselves.

Ngungu's avatar

Absolutely true, but it is irrelevant. Schectman has not been employed to give the viewers advice, he has been employed to give his view of the market.

His view is NOT a commodity whose price is determined by supply and demand, as gold is.

posa's avatar

This is not particularly recent news that Andy Schectman is reporting. In any case what he's describingi s not a "currency" in the usual sense of the word but an accounting and settlement unit that can be used among trading nations operating outside the dollar reserve system. This report is pretty credible because it is known that such a scheme has been under development for some time. The trading platform itself seems to be modeled after the mBRIDGE System developed by the bank for international settlements (BIS).

Godfree Roberts's avatar

On October 9, 2009, after the GFC, PBOC Governor Zhou Xiaochuan announced, "The world needs an international reserve currency that is disconnected from individual nations and able to remain stable in the long run, removing the inherent deficiencies caused by using credit-based national currencies”.

But the first step, he said, would be creating the capacity for trading in domestic e-currencies and bypassing intermediate currencies like the dollar.

The PBOC released the e-Yuan in April, 2021. Public servants who elected to be paid in the traceable e-currency were celebrated for their commitment to transparency and the wild rumpus began.

Russia, China and BIS, the Bank for International Settlements, were development partners with Hong Kong as their headquarters. Thailand has been paying UAE for its oil imports in e-baht for two years, and UAE oil exporters get paid in e-dirham. In 3 seconds, for 11¢. BRICS will start using the platform on January 1, I expect.

The reserve currency will probably wait until 2030.

It's a much bigger deal, for it means the end of the dollar's exorbitant privilege and, therefore, the end of the USA as we know and love it.

Frances Lynch's avatar

I wonder if the US would retaliate by calling the new BRICS currency a financial force majeure? Allowing the US and a lot of the west to declare all outstanding derivatives null and void.

That would get the West off the hook for about a bazillion dollars at last count. Then nothing left to do but declare the bonds held by China null and void as well using the same rationale.

Then, Voila! The US is nearly debt free! How exciting!! What would come next is the real question....

PFC Billy's avatar

@Frances Lynch

"I wonder if"...

Quick litmus test: Would Blackrock, The Goldman-Sachs et alia be better off? If so, affirmative.

Victor's avatar

The US acts on the guidance of such powers, so anything it does would likely be pre-approved by them.

Frances Lynch's avatar

My guess is they would be in on it, so yes.

Denis's avatar

Notice that China keeps reducing its US bond holdings slowly but surely. It hints at something.

Carol Jones's avatar

Ya pretty obvious, who the hell wants to help the US fund a war against itself? 🤪

kam's avatar

As Thomas Massie inadvertently stated "every Congressman has an Ape-Ax guy".

Insidiously, in the dark shadows and secure communications, the U.S. has been chemically castrated.

Odd thing in the United States Capitol D.C. that no U.S. Congressman has an "American Guy" whispering in his ear.

Carol Jones's avatar

Ah an Israel focus guy-- my comment was about China

kam's avatar

China couldn't believe the fable that (paraphrasing) Uncle Sam would fund the building of the rope to hang himself.

Now the question is, does China's rope quality meet the neck snapping test.

Frances Lynch's avatar

I think their concern is two fold:

The massive US debt is unlikely ever to be repaid by the US nor will the US be able to keep current with the interest payment and, t

the US has decided China is its new target. Why would you hold debt of someone who is hell bent on trying to kill you?

Victor's avatar

The other option for declaring force majeure is world war, which is what the US is working towards.

Frances Lynch's avatar

Yes, that would work as well. And there is more profit to be had, for war is the most profitable "industry" there is.

Chevrus's avatar

I dont think anyone knows what happens when Uncle Schmuel throws all the toys out of the pram….

kam's avatar

Same deal when you leave a dirty diaper on a baby for days.

Chevrus's avatar

Uncle Fester enters the chat...

Frances Lynch's avatar

The biggest problem when he does that is he doesn't just throw the toys, he throws the toys AT someone(s).

Chevrus's avatar

High explosive toys!!

PrinceMyshkin's avatar

Well, if they do that, who will buy government bonds from the FED anymore? How will you print money after that? If you do that, you have to implement some other instruments, for example an CDBC, then it gets interesting, because imho, most old people and many lets call them libertarians won't accept this new currency and probably will change to Cryptocurrencies, Silver or Gold or some form of exchange trade economy. That will break the neck of this new construct in a very short time. There is no public consensus for doing that, the Elites will even loose more after that. Its then the collapse of the old Elites, even if they have diversified enough, which they have since 2008, they will loose power big time, because a large faction of them, lives off of the money printing spiel.

Frances Lynch's avatar

The Fed would now be debt free, might not see a need to sell bonds anymore.

Crashing a currency doesn't end the use of a currency internally, it just means inflation is through the roof at home, and the currency is near worthless abroad. But I think they would not continue to use the dollar anywhere.

I think they would go the same route that Roosevelt did, remember he shut all the banks, then ONLY reopened the banks that were tied to the central banks.

ALL the independent banks, most in the south and mid-west were never allowed to reopen, all their depositors lost they money, the banks that took over their banks got their cash. AND the people were still on the hook for their mortgages which they now owed to the same big banks that took over the closed independents.

Soil erosion wasn't the only cause of the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression, not by a long shot. Roosevelt was NOT a nice guy.

Now today, using the same tactics to reduce people to poverty they could put in not a new currency for citizens but a debit card tied to a social score....you know the rest.

Corporations would use a CDBC as their currency. They would see their cash converted into CDBCs so they would lose nothing. But they would be enslaved as well just by a different method and be held to a credit score set up as well.

James Charles's avatar

No ‘CBDC's’?

“ . . . . That is, instead of the 144TWh per year used by Bitcoin, CBDCs would consume some 7,056TWh – more than three times the UK’s total 2019 energy consumption of 2,185TWh… In an increasingly energy-constrained global economy, it should – but likely won’t – be clear that programmable CBDCs are a non-starter… a solution looking for a problem to solve indeed! “?

https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2023/02/08/cbdc-bait-and-switch/?fbclid=IwAR0SiB_yriPZCOiFTmwAn8rv2Fz9IuvxOYTTRF6i2JCun21ow5JQqJQTGig

Carol Jones's avatar

CBDC's for inter country transactions only

kam's avatar

Our grubby Aristocracy has made it clear that all the energy in the World will be needed to operate their Data/Cloud Centers where they can record your every thought and utterance.

The Data Center(s) Burning will make the old days of book burning look like a child's party.

Scott's avatar

I think AI's energy needs will dwarf that of digital currencies. Note the recent flurry of interest, activity and articles promoting a return to building nuclear energy facilities. Microsoft, for example, promising to buy ALL the power a restored Three Mile Island can produce. Really the only thing in the way of expanding nuclear power is all the volumes of regulations that take several years to comply with. Probably a lot of those regulations do not even apply to the newest nuke plant technologies. However, with a continued Biden-Harris admin, nothing will be done in that regard. Nothing positive anyway.

Carol Jones's avatar

Geez 🙄 and nothing has changed since 2009??

Richard Gusporta's avatar

If the info is correct then we should immediately pilling up gold bar then before it's all gone.

PFC Billy's avatar

@Richard Gusporta

If the info is correct, then we should be looking into moving our ass onto enough acreage to feed our families & located far enough away from large cities that starving people can't walk up to our door before keeling over.

Scott's avatar

Yeah, no problem. Maybe you should look into the prices of acreage and developing it first.

PFC Billy's avatar

@Scott

Presently about $5,000/acre for agricultural land around where I'm sitting (on 75 acres of same). Development cost is up to you-

BUT!

Keep at it for 5 years in the Russian far East & the acreage (Hectarage?) is free! Get a group of 20 people/families to take their "Hectare law" allotments together and the government will provide basic infrastructure (clear a roadway and run electric service). And they have dropped the requirement to speak/read Russian IF you claim to be a political/ideological refugee?

Downsides include: Siberian tiger & brown bear may visit. Far Eastern Russian WINTER, makes MN seem semi tropical. Literally at the ass end of nowhere.

Denis's avatar

Another huge problem is the Russian mafia and crime gangs intimidating people for protection money as one example.

PFC Billy's avatar

@Denis

Not much of that in the far East, Mafia needs a higher population density to be profitable.

Ngungu's avatar

The gold will never be gone: supply and demand forces 😉

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Neither will fossil fuels. The only change would be extraction costs. The cheap extraction has been done. The solutions the alternative energy crowd is pushing is far too expensive and inefficient to drive a modern economy and still requires fossil fuels to run it and for back up when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine. It's called Idiocracy. We are in an era of the great scramble for scarce resources. This is the oldest axiom of economics much like guns and butter and the West is opting for guns.

Ngungu's avatar

Good complement to my comment, Cosmo.

I have come a long way in my appreciation of what society is all about. I don't want to put a %-age on it, but a lot, a heck of a lot, we have been taught and other wise told is bunk, BS, lies.

Oil, like metals and minerals, does not run out, only the extraction costs change: up as reserves decline, down as new technology allows us to extract what was hitherto uneconomic or became uneconomic.

In a similar vein is the narrative about Climate Change, which is as old as Mother Earth, and the climate will continue to change. And it is certainly NOT the carbon dioxide that is driving it; in fact, we are almost at an all time low if you look at it over the past 600 million years – https://youtu.be/A24fWmNA6lM.

However, man does have an influence on climate, but through a different, nefarious route: geoengineering, as witnessed by those white crisscrossing streaks in the sky. Bill Gates loves it as it reduces the Sun's brightness.

There are many more such topics, some related to Klaws Schwab's Great Reset, others are not.

We are all manipulated, and I only started to find out over the past 11 years since my retirement.

PFC Billy's avatar

@Ngungu

Atmospheric concentration of methane is up 160% since the start of the industrial revolution. Methane has about 30X the effect as CO2 in trapping solar radiation as heat, it is estimated that still relatively tiny % of methane is responsible for about 1/4 of the total anthropogenic warning effects. Yet the legacy mass media seldom browbeats & belabors us over methane? I wonder why.

BTW, this place IS getting hotter and the oceans are rising, no matter what you want to believe about causes.

Ngungu's avatar

> BTW, this place IS getting hotter and the oceans are rising, no matter what you want to believe about causes.

Sure Billy boy, you can ignore the causes and fix it the way the Climate Change Liars want you to fix it, thus helping to improve their already fat bank balances, but not the climate. Keep up the good work!

frankly's avatar

Cosmo; Note how Russia never backed off on nuclear power. Kinda like the wisdom of not sending all their manufacturing infrastructure to China for scrap or reuse. Go to Youngstown Ohio and find the blast furnaces that fueled ww2. You might find a concrete slab intact. The gear and the knowledge base. Gone! Those dears couldn't cobble together a rainbow flag.

Observed while watching Russia in Syria around 2017. Every day that passes the West gets weaker and the Rest figure out how to survive. Remember the Assad must go meme? Now on the other hand, if he had put on a skirt and some makeup, his mom probably would have killed him.

The petro dollar is in a long slow death spin. The rest want us to land softly, too bad our leaders can only play chicken.

Bryan Goh's avatar

I'm going to bet you an old fashioned paper dollar that the Unit isn't coming out later this month.

PFC Billy's avatar

I'll see your bet, backing my anty with canned food or shotgun shells, your choice.

Denis's avatar

He'll need to buy the shotgun first.

Chevrus's avatar

What?! You dont have 5?

PFC Billy's avatar

@Denis

I don't have much use for a shotgun, as Quigley said about pistols.

kam's avatar

The Euro was birthed, backed by nothing, implied to be backed by Germany, so nothing is impossible.

Feral Finster's avatar

True, but it took more than a month of planning.

Who is going to be the issuing central bank for the "Unit" or similar BRICs currency?

kam's avatar

Not being a fly on the wall, can't answer your question.

But the BRICs have been at this for years.

Will they succeed?

If it is a common trading "currency" arrangement between BRICS member, then yes, most likely.

When Charles DeGaulle forced Nixon to depeg the USD from gold, it was the first crack in the dam. And here we are. An untethered (to reality) exorbitant privilege abused by the DC WarMongers, drunk on their hubris.

Scipio's avatar

Yes. I've long thought that this next summit is of extreme importance to BRICS and in particular, China and Russia.

Just my theory, but I suspect Russia "asking" Iran not to retaliate against Israel was all about preventing a major regional war, which could undermine the summit.

To me Kazan is of more importance to the corrupt vaudeville aka the US "election".

Such a scenario (a gold backed BRICS currency unit) also consistent with the unusual hoarding of gold by major BRICS actors in the last 2 years.

If I'm right, expect the next weeks to October 22 to be extremely volatile and dangerous ones. The US will do everything they can to stop that summit.

PFC Billy's avatar

@Scipio

What happened to your African anus?

(Edit)

AFRICANUS. Damned auto fill.

Scipio's avatar

That's someone else Billy. I've always busy been Scipio.

Ngungu's avatar

Billy boy often tries to play the smart alec, which then backfires and he thus makes a fool of himself. Oh well, Billy boy the 🤡

Chevrus's avatar

Never go Full ClownWorld?

PFC Billy's avatar

@ngungu

Don't take my texts serious. Take them how your ex took you, as a joke.

Ngungu's avatar

The problem, Billy boy, is that I don't have an ex, so I will take your texts seriously for what they are: pure drivel, BS. Keep up the entertainment, Billy boy, that's all you can do.

Nick's avatar

BRICS will introduce a new international payments mechanism, with a medium of exchange something other than the USD, yes. But not "this month" or even next month.

It takes time for all trading partners to establish reserves in the new medium before the equivalent of the SWIFT system can go live. IMHO it's not as difficult as some experts allege ("years"), but it isn't as easy as just announcing a new unit, either. My semi-informed guess would be something like 6 months to a year from now.

Carol Jones's avatar

You say "Under such a scenario I would expect the USD to decline slowly and then "suddenly". That would only work if the US stopped taking its own dollar for foreign purchases. 350 million plus fairly affluent (world standards) consumers talk, BS walks.

Ah gold bugs🙄 Think why the BRICS (wisely) have only 40% gold backing of the UNIT? Gold is a safe haven NOT a currency. All power to BRICS --love them, breaking the chains of trade slavery etc. They can teach us all something. Maybe even some people basic finance/economics

You say " Could it be the catalyst that propels gold prices to sustain its upward trajectory?

the blame-e's avatar

"You say "Under such a scenario I would expect the USD to decline slowly and then "suddenly". That would only work if the US stopped taking its own dollar for foreign purchases."

Or if the United States suffered a sovereign debt default.

Carol Jones's avatar

Yes and how many times has that happened?- never. How many times the UK, France, etc.-- many.

David Chere-Bolelwang's avatar

..This is long overdue.. As an African I ask why must African countries for instance, trade in currencies they don't have, or have no say over in the first place? I know other countries are in the same boat.. This is one big decades-old failure on the part of African elites and liberation stalwarts..

ReynMeLo's avatar

OMG! Your actually analyzing and using easily faked public sat images. Does one really believe in the garbage that can be manipulated just as easily as your daily dosage of news from CNN. Com'on!?

Sam Ursu's avatar

you're free to publish your own "real" sat images in rebuttal, friend

korkyrian's avatar

ReynMeLi, is a problem worth discussing. Do CNN and legacy media manipulate ? Yes. Can CNN and legacy media lie directly, e.g. manipulate public sat images? No.

Why? They will be exposed, and their reliability would sink lower until it disappears completely.

Outright lies are used infrequently, sparingly. Manipulation is done through bias, shifting accent,

Clouds covering bases, yes. Manipulating actual images, no, - only if officially supplied by Israel

RalfB's avatar

I disagree. They have been "exposed" lying outright countless times, yet most of their audience couldn't care less. Lying is the MSM's main line of business, they are not coy with it. They wouldn't think twice about altering images, reliability be damned, especially for the overriding sake of Israel---guess who owns these media.

Victor's avatar

First impressions rule.

korkyrian's avatar

It is called marketing in the West, was called propaganda in communist countries, but is the same art, influencing populations through media.

The same principles that govern selling CocaCola govern selling political choices. It is subliminal, mainly influencing emotions, bellow the level of consciousness.

Logic is not the most important part, neither the truth.

Manipulation is on another level, choosing the news, and presenting it.

Chevrus's avatar

Edwuard Bernays enters the chat….

kam's avatar

If they sing the Company Song, with enthusiasm, then they can collect their paychecks.

Feral Finster's avatar

The MSM audience want to be lied to, and would be offended if the MSM were to suddenly start telling the truth.

Alt-media, BTW, is similar, but the audience wants to hear a different set of lies.

Wiremu Harpuka's avatar

Er, remember the fake under fire report from Iraq with the office plants?

PFC Billy's avatar

@ReynMeLo

Not owning any spy satellites really sux, all you can do is look at what is put out by those satellite owners of multiple competing interests and try to interpret their BS.

Digger's avatar

In the words of CIA director William Casey: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people believes is false.”

Chevrus's avatar

Belly on up to the bar Reyn m’Man! Now that unit 8200 has shaken off the chills you can hock your wares!!

Tell us all how it really is.

Henry's avatar

Please refer us to ANY previous article where Simplicus intentionally lied to or misled us. His accuracy from the begining gets him the benefit of the doubt every time as far as I'm concerned. How many times has he been wrong? Please provided some examples.

Jerm's avatar

Iran's strikes didn't deter the zionists one bit. If anything their attacks are worse. They even cooked a Russian airfield/warehouse in Syria. Will Russia, or anyone do anything about it?

Saint Jimmy's avatar

They hit one warehouse. Your schtik is old.

grr's avatar

Jerm is a Zionist germ. A troll, a propaganda repeater and a total ZioNAZI cunt.

Victor's avatar

So he might not be a nice person?

grr's avatar

Dunno, lol. Many ignorant people are nice. But I actually think he's a troll and therefore knows better. So maybe not nice. Nice people don't set out to deceive.....

kam's avatar

Yet it pains him to have to write his schtick.

Chevrus's avatar

I imagine that nearby missile impact really spooked them. Not the uptick in ferocity displayed by the hasbara workers.

JimG's avatar

I understand that yesterday Israel struck a Russian ammo depot and Ukraine hit a nuclear reactor deep in Russia, but no radiation leak. This shows these are the same wars and the West wants war and Israel needs war.

Chevrus's avatar

I heard that too, and once the dust settled both claims appear to have been exaggerated

JimG's avatar

Hey, I saw videos and pics... I heard people talk about the nuclear reactor deep in Russian. I heard and saw a gas platform offshore go up in flames. I saw the box in the field that started Simplicius' essay explode with an exact hit. There is much more happening in the field and in reality that the Western media is not covering, and that is a problem. I never expected the number or the efficacy of this attack, but it is so sensitive, no one wants to talk about it lest WWIII. Watch Dr. Strangelove lately? Great movie.

Richard Gusporta's avatar

Well it looks like Isreal is, literally done for now and forever, they do not have any other solution than carry out more wars. And the worst they can do is to finally pulling out their last own card, by announcing their Messiah is here in the Jerusalem already. However, the problem with such move is that, it will make the Muslim in whole Arabia up to the mountain of Pasthunistan going ecstatic, because this is also what they have been longing for, put the final blow to the Zionist Isreal!

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Qwibqwib's avatar

"...world`s largest illegaly (sic) occupied territory..." How so? Please explain.

RalfB's avatar

In contravention of numerous treaties with Indian tribes, still on record in the LoC. Acc. the US constitution, ratified treaties are law of the land on par with the constitution itself, so yes, illegally.

Qwibqwib's avatar

What does LoC. Acc. mean? Your statement is incorrect:

This from the Indian affairs website: "Between 1778, when the first treaty was made with the Delawares, to 1871, when Congress ended the treaty-making period, the United States Senate ratified 370 treaties. At least 45 others were negotiated with tribes but were never ratified by the Senate.

The treaties that were made often contain commitments that have either been fulfilled or subsequently superseded by Congressional legislation."

Qwibqwib's avatar

According to the national archives, there were 313,712 Native Americans resident in the USA in 1870. There are currently 4.9 million American Indians resident in the USA. The Native American pop in this country is prospering and growing. Yes there are problems (same as anglos and african americans etc.) (see Fentanyl, Meth, crack etc...) but vast majority are patriotic Americans first and American Indians next. They are well assimilated, and except for a few radicals (very few) they do not consider the USA illegal in any way. Ask me how I know...

Scott's avatar

Well, yeah, after 90% of the Americas' native population was wiped out by wars and sickness. Plenty of estimates that there were a LOT more than 4.9M when Cristobal arrived. So, what's your point?

Qwibqwib's avatar

You pretend to simp for the American Indians! LOL! They know you don't care for them and are only trying to discredit THEIR country. They are against propaganda put forth by people like you! Your propaganda has ZERO support amongst the AMINDIANS. AMINDIANS are by and large PROUD citizens of the USA. Ask me how I know...

Blue Republic's avatar

Check the Nez Perce - honor the veterans of their fight against the US Army and those who served in it and other branches of the US military...

https://www.nezperce.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Veterans-2018.pdf

Dhdh's avatar

Occupied by the JEW - the USA is ZOG.

Qwibqwib's avatar

Naw, the USA is WAY more complicated and nuanced than you can comprehend. Zog is just NY and Wash DC. East coast, right up on the water. Everyone else has different ideas. You will see soon...

Dhdh's avatar

what will we see soon?

Qwibqwib's avatar

That everyone else (in the USA) has different ideas...

Qwibqwib's avatar

This is your response to all of the data I just dropped? You can't refute one point? LOL! The one who resorts to ad hominem first is the loser by definition! LOL! :D

Dhdh's avatar

what data? the indians were jus sub-human fauna - now they drink shampoo and lean their land to jews to run casinos. They are fortunate they were not exterminated as they should have been.

Qwibqwib's avatar

You think AMINDIANS are sub-human fauna? Shame on you sir! If I was in your presence and you said something like that, I would consider those fighting words...

Qwibqwib's avatar

None so blind as those who will not see...

Ngungu's avatar

Some consider Jared Kushner to be that Moshiach.

Ed's avatar

Israel/ (US participation included) is an ant attacking a much larger spider!

kam's avatar

Joe Biden is Israel's Messiah, along with his bride FrankenKamala.

Gott must have a dark sense of humor about his chosen.

Feral Finster's avatar

No, they'll do what they did in Iraq and Libya, which is to get their American thug and its loyal vassals to do the fighting for them.

Nonsarcastic's avatar

“ For instance, some clearly came down extremely fast, at near hypersonic speeds, as I highlighted last time, while many others appear to come down at fairly middling speeds.”

Video where one rocket come faster than others (you post video in previous article) is because that rocket is much closer to the viewer than other three rockets that are far away (so they seems slower)!

ReynMeLo's avatar

No dude.... Both are mistaken. Watch and learn about Iran's ballistic missile technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BMBDw724EI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9zzKwIBzas

Denis's avatar

You can make a point without ad hominem which takes away from a good point you make..

ReynMeLo's avatar

Agreed.... less demeaning it is.

Frank's avatar

I like how the missiles are called ,Fatter' . "We have a new missile for you O Supreme Leader" "Oh what is it called and is it pointy?" "Yes Supreme Leader the most pointy, but we don't have a name yet, we hoped you could enlighten us" "Call it Fattah! It is a clever play on words. These Americans obviously respect the Fat and Israel is like an American ranch in our deserts" "Yes o supreme leader. The Fatter rocket it shall be. Your wisdom knowd no bounds etc etc"

TheKPFactor's avatar

i like this Mr Frank, but fatah is pronounced like fet as in vet and tah as in the ta in tada - the word Fattah is victory in arabic, but your way with words is really cool :)

Richard V's avatar

You cite Patarames' YouTube. Good stuff. Find his X account excellent for technical stuff as things unfold. Also, really like MenchOsint's X for following current Hezbollah Ops. Here are links for all who might be interested. https://x.com/Pataramesh. https://x.com/MenchOsint

Kale Pang's avatar

Iran could have still used missiles of varying speed. Both statements can be true

Simplicius's avatar

Well, we know for a fact Iran utilizes at least three different types of MaRVS (maneuverable re-entry vehicles).

1. Hypersonic glider (Fattah-2)

2. Regular detached warhead with fin control maneuver (Kheibar Shekan)

3. Warhead with its own thrust engine (Fattah-1)

Furthermore there is regular conical and triconic MaRV design. Triconic has more stability for terminal maneuvers, but produces more drag and can be slower.

The glider just glides, bleeding velocity via drag. The self-propelling thrust engine can maintain active thrust and higher terminal speed.

In short, as you can see there are half a dozen or more velocity profiles, and combinations thereof (between the thrust/shape of MaRV etc.) which means it's quite feasible that they all have varying re-entry/terminal velocities.

(Actually there's even way more to it, including FOBs vs. ballistic arc trajectory (or shallow vs. high arc) which determines terminal speed, but that's getting in the weeds)

Frank's avatar

These names are so cool. Fatter 1 Fatter 2 and the Khaybar Shakin'. They'll be launching Funky Medinas next.

Steve Brown's avatar

why are zio's always so annoying and arrogant? mother's side? father's? both sides? laugh. בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה

Green-Blue's avatar

Chosen people mythology inculcated from birth, apparently

kam's avatar

Smug. Like their special kosher Rabbit's Foot is going to protect them from their dirty deeds.

Frank's avatar

Don't worry I am far from a zionist and just actually really thought the names were cool. Better than pompous sounding Minuteman and what not. I really do think the Brits should have named that warship Boaty McBoatFace

Stentorian's avatar

Like the ancient Greeks etching "ouch" into their sling shot.

Green-Blue's avatar

Whole new meaning to "let's do up a fatty" 😁

Frank's avatar

And also to "let's make a blunt" given they start off so pointy :-)

TheKPFactor's avatar

again mr Frank, i love your way with words, must be of english or british stock i suppose - please prove me correct? anyways , some more informaion on islamic words, Kheibar or khaybar is actually a town just north of medina in saudi arabia, in islamic history, the 3 jewish tribes of medinah did treason like 4 times against all the treaties with the prophet and were exiled to khayber, then in khayber, they broke more treaties and were eventually conquered, but they being very hard working and smart, kept thier own lands on a land tneure system with the prophet. afther the prophets death and then the conquest of jerusalem by Omar and Khalid, the arab muslims found no jews in jerusalem and hence ordered about 80 jewish clans from khayber to resettle in jerusalem - os in essence it was the muslims and the arabs which brought the jews back to jerusalem after the romans kicked them out - funny hey that the iranians named a missile with that towns name

Frank's avatar

Thanks for that. I enjoy learning new things. Tribes, history, identity, in-group, out-group, social behaviour of humans, it’s all fascinating. I can understand that there are historical perceptions, but I feel that the real problem we have had the last few decades is a malevolent West that keeps the Middle East in a state of tension and friction and exploits the divisions there and amplifies them. I think with luck we will have a new USA beginning with Trump , where the USA reigns in its neocon extremists and military expansionists, and starts to focus on domestic production. I see it as a great positive that Saudi Arabia and Iran are starting to mend their relationship, and I wish nothing but the best for all the people of that region, and hope that a brighter, positive future can be achieved without being a football for foreign superpowers. I think solar energy and technology is one way forward but it needs stability and peace. Israel is without doubt the aggressor at this time, but I see this as partially a personal project of Netanyahu’s with respect to his political decline.

TheKPFactor's avatar

i can blame the west to be honest, see, I am a south african, and from here in SA, we have a saying, follow the money in polictis and in the western world, the looby groups and the deep states of each western country contorl the narratives. So these are your MIC, big pharma, legacy media, finance houses, zionist and armenian lobby groups, intelligence groups and they as a tribe are very pro war party for and on behalf of israel - it is what it is, the strong do what they must and the weak must perservere and show the world their hypocrasy. In my country, we have an opposiion party called the Democratic alliance and they are funded a lot by pro Zionists groups, but they have so many Muslims in their party, that they all boycotted the leadership and if it was not for the uselessness of the anc, they the DA would have lost even more. I think the pro Zionist parties spent like over 10million SD on these last elections in south afria for no showing at the polls, what a waste of money - could have been put to show much better use and that is the problem with lobby groups, the return of investments on this dead horse aka the unconditional support of Israel has not reached a level yet, where its bankrupting them...as long as this exists...there will be no foreign policy change, not with trump or anyone else...I mean, other than double crossing the USA with the Islamic revolution in iran around 1980 - why is iran an enemy - same goes for so many other countries - there is no logical sense to go to war with them

kam's avatar

Follow the money?

No. Arrest those who counterfeit money, via Public Debt, using your personal guarantee on their loans.

kam's avatar

Trump has to reign in Neocons, AIPAC, DoJ, FBI, CIA, Brits, WHO, small Z, the Internet Monopolies, the Controlled Media, while exterminating the bugs infested in D.C.

But he could start by telling Jared to commit Seppukku.

Wiremu Harpuka's avatar

Lol! Was just thinking that. Kheibar Shekan, like some prepubescent macho fantasy.

Steve Brown's avatar

My video edit of the strike clearly shows the diff... and not just by perspective. It's titled "Iran Strike on Airbases October 1st" on the Duran main page. regards

J Swift's avatar

I could see how purposely mixing warheads with different characteristics could play further hell with air defense systems and algorithms.

Nonsarcastic's avatar

So there are some more information beside these videos of strikes?

How can you know for fact that Iran use three different type of MaRVS? Only from online videos od strikes?!?

Bash's avatar

The Israeli play is a rinse&repeat of the 2001 neo-con playbook, where 9/11 was levered into wars of choice against Afghanistan, Iraq, War On Terror, etc. Bush Jr and his buddies had political capital and spent it for 6 years

The same is happening now. Bibi has 7/10 capital, and I'd say a good 65% of the political class in the US are clapping seals who will literally anything he says. So, what's his wish list? Well, lets look around - Lebanon is a failed state, Syria is a very weak country, Jordan and Egypt are castrated, Saudi/UAE and the other Gulf states have moved on - Only Iran stands as a regional adversary with a real military. But the Israelis know that Iran cannot be defeated in a 1-1 fight; there are entire countries in between and an air campaign will do limited damage. What they need is the US to step in, and fight Iran directly. Can the US defeat Iran militarily? Probably yes - at great, great cost. Which the Israelis are willing to make them pay.

My guess is the Israelis are trying their best now to arrange a significant US casualty event (20+ KIA) in the Middle East somewhere, as that would galvanize DC and US public opinion. Sinking a US vessel would be my best bet as most of the evidence would be destroyed. Hitting a US base would leave too many bomb fragments and guidance parts lying around.

Frank's avatar

Would fit with the anti-Trump party's desire to scupper the upcoming election too.

Bash's avatar

Trump, for all his rhetoric, is smart enough to tell the Joint Chiefs to suck wind and not actually send thousands of American boys to their deaths. Harris will sign off like she is ordering coffee

Dhdh's avatar

oh come on... zion don will do what ever his likud masters tell him

Ngungu's avatar

Trump and smart is a contradiction in terms, an impossibility. As a newly converted Jew he'll be proud to show he is a good one, a real one.

Bash's avatar

A billionaire who has won the US presidency, or a random deluded guy on the internet? Gosh tough choice. Go touch grass or something

Ngungu's avatar

Sorry to hurt your sensitivities. Good luck getting your man into the WH, perhaps you can persuade the Dems not to rig the elections this time. 🤣

kam's avatar

Helluva a choice, but Trump is the least dangerous pick.

Do you really, really think 4 more years of an Obama 4th term will make the world a better place?

Or...maybe that is the plan.

occamsrazorback22's avatar

Trump is as dumb as a box of hammers. Given that he's likely NEVER read a book

or studied history/geography, he'll do exactly what his ZOG minders tell him to do. A man of thin learning, he's totally reliant on the staff he assembles. (or is provided to him) Remember Bolton and Pompeo? Nice work there Don, draining the swamp. We'll have another, thanks. If he walks like a neo-con...talks like a neo-con...it's pretty likely he's a neo-con. While China and Russia have serious, competent leadership, we in the U$$A have these ridiculous clown car maroons.

First time you burn us shame on you...second time we are fugged, shame on us.

Chevrus's avatar

I was under the impression that the executive branch remains within pre-defined parameters, lest it succumb to the Kennedy treatment. But heck, I'm just a critical thinker, not an expert....

kam's avatar

Occ

While your emotions have some truth, you have ZERO idea how to navigate the Cesspool called Washington, D.C.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Trump is a fat blustering moron and Harris is a soulless whore. I guess I'll vote for the blustering moron.

Chevrus's avatar

The faction behind Karmella might be considered the greater of two evils.

Ngungu's avatar

Better still, don't vote at all. By voting you give legitimacy to a corrupt, illegitimate system that is there to keep the plebs in a slave-like relationship. They don't care about the common man and woman, all they care about is their bank account and the interests of their donors – remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Feral Finster's avatar

Trump is weak, stupid and easily manipulated.

Harris is simply The Will To Power personified.

Feral Finster's avatar

Your faith in Trump is touching.

Bash's avatar

Grasping at straws. But what else is there?

Feral Finster's avatar

That's much like an argument from consequences.

Basically, we have two entrances to the slaughterhouse, but we are free to pick the left door or the right door, so we can't say we never were given a choice.....

Meredith Hobbs's avatar

US can't defeat Iran but cld do a hell of a lot of damage.

The Causal Observer's avatar

Iran is simply too big to be defeated by a naval power. Besides, it has 91 million people. Simply too big.

A lot of damage, sure. But one has to ask who will suffer more damage? When the strait of Hormuz is closed, its all over for the economies world wide.

Ngungu's avatar

OTOH, when it will have converted the genocidal sewer into a 20,000 km2 parking lot, there will be plenty of room for the oil sheikhs to park Mercedes S600's, AND the region will return to normalcy, to peace, after a century of Jew-instigated death and destruction.

Chevrus's avatar

It would be nice to see that classic piece of mediterranean shore restored....

Seeker's avatar

How exactly could the US defeat Iran even at great cost? Iran is the size of western Europe desert, swamp and mountains. With a land border with Afghanistan, recent reports are that the Taliban are now restless sitting behind desks after years of fighting the west, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran also shares a border across the Caspian with Russia, considering how the Russian MIC is churning out equipment they will need a market for those military equipment after they finish off Ukraine. Also, all those Russian soldiers, Chechens, South Osetians and Donbas Militia fighter who have known nothing but slaughter for a decade won't be easily integrated into Russian civil society. They would need somewhere to do what they have learned to do best. The US owe Russia hundreds of thousands of lives, Russia is going to eventually want to collect. So there are also numerous militia groups, radical extremist groups etc just eagerly waiting for a Western involvement in a conflict. This will not be a tiny Grenada or Panama or an isolated desert Iraq with only 15% of the Iraqi army fighting, it will be a real fight and the dogs are waiting.

Bash's avatar

2 scenarios really. Either an unfavorable peace like 1988, or a "victory" like how the north Vietnamese eventually won, at the cost of millions of their own and the destruction of half the country. American wars remain far flung affairs, and to my knowledge Iran can't bring the fight home

Seeker's avatar

Well though the 9/11 scenario is still debatable. Is it not still a possibility especially if orchestrated by a major state actor or was that not home enough?

Bash's avatar

No, 9/11 was symbolic in the end

Seeker's avatar

Symbolism or not, is it still not a possibility that can be much worse? Especially in the light of a war with a state actor.

Bash's avatar

Everything is possible, not gonna pretend I know one way or another. It's possible there are sleepers within the US ready to fly thousands of drones into critical targets. Or not.

Dhdh's avatar

see dancing Israels

kam's avatar

There was an Industrial Giant, the U.S. in the 1930s to 1960s, then the Money Skimmers and Churners, insanely greedy and self-certain, killed the source of their wealth by outsourcing to cheap/slave labor.

Today's U.S./Dual Citizen captured state is a belligerent, mouthy skeleton of what it once was.

Always at the ready to compromise engineering (I give you the F35, and Boeing) yet never ready to compromise with other nations.

A bad recipe, indeed.

Glasshopper's avatar

Col Macgregor claims there's a large Hezbollah presence in Mexico. Many of whom have already jumped the border?

Adrian's avatar

The US doesn't fight wars to win, they fight them to cause destruction and make money!

Dhdh's avatar

the JewSA fights wars to keep the jew safe from the world that hates them for the chicken swinging sin merchants they are.

RalfB's avatar

Iraq is the archetypical tank country: flat desert ideal for tracked and even 4WD movement, laid out all open to air surveillance and attack.

Iran is mostly mountains. Think Afghanistan, but with population on match with the US, modern developed science and industry and a well equipped, modern military. And a motivated population as inured to hardship as the Russians. And half a world away from the US.

ebear's avatar

"....ideal for tracked and even 4WD movement, laid out all open to air surveillance and attack."

Coarse sand is not the best environment for tracked vehicles. Not so good for their engines either. Bring lots of spare parts.

Not the only problem likely to be encountered either.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2004/11/01/232152/how-technology-failed-in-iraq/

The difference between Iraq and Iran as a military force is night and day. Iran is a peer level force whose members are, unlike the Iraqi military, well trained, better equipped and highly motivated with logistical chains that reach all the way to China and Russia.

First you have to get there though. Where would you assemble, and from where would you launch? Turkey? Don't think so. Saudi Arabia's not likely to cooperate, and the minute you set foot in Iraq you'd be attacked. Everywhere else is out of the question so a ground invasion seems like a complete non-starter to me.

Chevrus's avatar

I think this is distinct reality, however it may eventually unfold.

Once the scenario leaves "skirmish level" conflicts and the gloves are removed it will be imperative to strike hard, accurately and most of all: make it count. What is different now is that the ROW has had decades to prepare is unlikely to be caught on the back foot.

kam's avatar

Well, Israel has some experience attacking U.S. Navy boats. All they need to do is paint "Iran" on the sides of their F35's.

Feral Finster's avatar

Some truth to this, but Netanyahu has much more support in the US than you think.

Glasshopper's avatar

How would the US defeat Iran from the air? You don't seriously think they can put boots on the ground?

They can do a lot of damage from the air, but so can Iran. And Israel has a population half the size of Tehran situated in relatively few enclaves. Most the country is desert. And of course the Palestinians won't be sitting on their hands. And neither will the resistance on the borders. A perfect storm is brewing. Could spiral out of control very quickly.

Johann Goergen's avatar

The colonial project known as Israel has gone off the deep end, taking advantage of a Washington controlled by puppets of the US MIC. The Israeli display of depravity in Gaza is unmatched. Israel is now doing to Lebanon what it did in Gaza. Sad times for everyone with a shred of empathy. Not, however, if you think that your particular tribe is superior and can do no wrong.

Ngungu's avatar

It can do no wrong because it has recourse to the HollowHoax narrative and the concomitant "anti-Semite" accusation most people are so scared of.

William Tyndale's avatar

The only winning play is to pogrom the Jews. There is a reason we have a word in Western Civilization for taking our country back from Jews. It is an old word and your ancestors are heroes for punishing the Jews and fighting off their debt slavery. Pogromming Jews is as natural as warfare.

F....'s avatar

I'm very much doubting that M's head quarters was deliberately missed.

After all they've done to the Iranians over the years - this was a golden opportunity with too many reasons not to.

korkyrian's avatar

Iran succeeded in demonstrating

capability to destroy Israel‘s most formidable weapon, air force, as well as

discipline and precision causing no civilian deaths.

Hitting Mossad is the next step, it would be premature now.

F....'s avatar

We're all aware that they have the ability- there's no need to demonstrate of what they are capable of.

Do you think that the Israeli's would have stopped if the roles were reversed - You should know the answer to that one.

The Israeli's have been very busy assassinating one high profile figure after another - Most of the senior leaders of Hezbollah have been eliminated - they've even bombed 4 nations in a single day with complete impunity. - to take out M's head quarters in one fell swoop deals with the problem for once and for all.

I don't see the logic of going through all that trouble of actually having a golden opportunity and then deliberately miss the target just to send a message - no my friend - It was a miss.

I'll give you another reason why it would make sense not to miss the intended target.

Mossad had a mole in Iran - the Head of Iranian unit countering Mossad was an Israeli agent.

grr's avatar

Early reports said it was obliterated. I give them more credence than the later reports. And has any proof emerged showing the MOSSAD rat's nest still intact?

F....'s avatar

You're quite right - Just found a report posted by Pravda which claims it was leveled, they even posted a video https://news-pravda.com/world/2024/10/01/768802.html

kikodg's avatar

I also think it was a miss. Russian satellite over that region needs calibrating.

The next barrage may be on target.

Kale Pang's avatar

Can’t imagine Iran doesn’t already have the bomb.

Steve Brown's avatar

Yes the real lesson wrt the US invasion and occupation of Iraq since 2003 is that if a nation *really does* have nukes, it won't get attacked, invaded, and occupied by the former United States, or by its belligerent handler the Bullshit State, ie "Israel"...

Chevrus's avatar

The RF could have simply provided them with a few samples at any time of the past few decades. One might consider it prudent to do so given the circumstances.

Kon's avatar

How will Russia react to Trumps support against Iran.

Russia will support Iran over Trump until the end .

Why because the west is two faced and cant be trusted and also because the us started the war in ookraine and Russia will never forget yenta nuland and blinken in a hurry or any other skullcap in a hurry all that blood in Ookraine is their doing , once they get in government eveything collapses as its doing on cue.

Hence any escalation will be answered likewise .

I would keep a slow boil at israel for decades and take a hint from the Yezidis they hide their leaders in amongst the common people and put common people as their leaders for outsiders, makes sense having lifetime actors as leaders is what all the western leaders are , they are sock puppets for the puppet masters.

Another reason of the collapse in the west is that underlying the fabric of society was Christianity which to some extent held the countries together ,once the west went material nihilism , there is nothing to keep the society together and skin color became a defining characteristic or being gay, a satanist, or the state became the new god and which party you supported the new denomination. Worst of all the family unit was attacked a velvet cultural marxist revolution in the west occurred.

The Emperess wears no Clothes.

Freddy10's avatar

100%

Personally, I blame Thatcher and Reagan for discovering the strategy to make their jobs far easier by selling off government responsibilities to the private banks and corporations. A practise that was immediately embraced by all western governments because who doesn't like doing less and less, especially when their wages increase more and more?

As a consequence however, the people supposedly running the Western countries now no longer need to be skilled at actually running anything, because it is all handled by private banks and corporations!

Add to that the whole, very questionable, idea of global warming, which was seized upon by our bored governments as a way for them to look busy between elections, along with all the other social wokeness that they occupy their time with now.

Lately I am convinced the whole climate change thing was invented, or at least heavily promoted, by the private banks so they had a noble excuse to replace manufacturing and real productive economies with economies consisting of services paid for with debt, which is ultimately attached to house prices.

Steve Brown's avatar

Yes but the Wall Street bankers are doing a horrible job. All they know is graft corruption and thievery which is why most are zio [fact - not a "trope"]

occamsrazorback22's avatar

"Add to that the whole, very questionable, idea of global warming,"

If one even assumes that humans can mitigate "climate change" there's not the collective intelligence, discipline or consensus to effect change. If an attempt was actually made, all wars would stop and all disputes would be settled by talk and peaceful resolution. The MIC won't have that. The U$$A can't even fix health care or the border issues so we're supposed to believe they'll "fix the climate"?! Not very freakin' likely. The climate biz along with "the border" and "abortion" are talking points to trot out and massage in service of the election cycle. That Americans give two shits about the fate of a fetus ('scuse me-a BABY!) while murdering peeps around the world, gratuitously, does not pass the sniff test. Laughable, actually...

Frank Sailor's avatar

"Worst of all the family unit was attacked a velvet cultural marxist revolution in the west occurred." The fact of the attack of the family unit is right but....

I can tell you after such a sentense that you have never read a letter of Karl Marx work and simply repeating talking points that you have heard from somewhere/someone. Sorry to say so but as long as you and others in the west repeat that nonsense of your masters, you are doomed. Must be nice to feel such certainty in ignorance, it just helps no one.

Anthony Dunn's avatar

Spot on. So many intelligent North Americans seem to be particularly affected by this massive blind spot - it irritatingly detracts from what is otherwise often insightful analysis

Chevrus's avatar

Although I cannot provide anything useful about this I will say that both "choices" for the executive branch in the USA are likely isreal-first.

Feral Finster's avatar

"....I will say that both "choices" for the executive branch in the USA are likely isreal-first."

Likely?

Honestly, I suspect that Ukraine will continue to be the first priority, as Gaza and Lebanon can be kept on slow boil for the foreseeable future.

Chevrus's avatar

What I meant by that is that the factions supporting each of the candidates are likely to put the well being of said state before that of the USA.

As far as slow boil, perhaps but therre is tha matter of face saving after the most recent missile strike. If isreal does strike back, they are most likely going to receive another walloping, which they can ill-afford. Then there is the matter of their botched northward incursion....

Feral Finster's avatar

Israel will strike back, but the question of whether Israel will receive "another whalloping" remains to be seen.

Chevrus's avatar

I got 5 on 'yes they will'

Karl Sanchez's avatar

Full BDA won't be finished for several days. One thing that's certain is the intercept rate was very low, between 10-20%. The Iran-Saudi civil meeting was to be expected with them both in BRICS and the Outlaw US Empire once again reminding the world just how ugly its policy is always been.

I came across an interesting testimony I didn't know of: an eyewitness report of the very secret meeting between FDR and King Saud that can be read or downloaded here, https://archive.org/details/FDRMEETSIBNSAUD

The short talk between FDR and King Saud about the Jews and Palestine is very enlightening as is FDR's promise to the King. All that's relayed in the last fourth of the book. There's other info for historians and other interested people.

Sam's avatar

Helmer covered this about a year ago and he said that Roosevelt always knew that Israel would expel every Palestinian from Palestine.

The king asked why the Jews didn’t take German territory since they were the ones who assaulted the Jews.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing was always the plan.

Simplicius's avatar

It's believed by many that the Roosevelt family stems from the Dutch Rosenfelt or Rosenfeld line

Jim Croft's avatar

The Delino in FDR was the source of family wealth. He made two fortunes in the opium trade.

Steve Brown's avatar

Check out the movie "Valley of the Wolves Filistin" (2011) much better than "Escape from Afghanistan". Anyway the Palestine movie predicted precisely what's happening today, to a 'T', and what you wrote.

Meredith Hobbs's avatar

I just read it. A charming and fascinating account. So sad at all that has come to pass since then. So sad as well that the Saudis and other Arab states viewed the USA in 1945 as liberators or allies from European colonizers -- compared with the carnage and destruction the US has wrought.

By the time Col Eddy wrote this account in 1954, US had already couped Mossadegh in Iran and installed the Shah.