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Bash's avatar

Its quite remarkable just how effective modern ATGM's are. I remember when I first heard about them was in 2006 when Hezbollah was destroying supposedly indestructible Merkavas, and then when IS started taking out Leo-2's in Turkey (although the Leo doesn't have the same "indestructible" reputation)

For a long time, the armor-myth of tanks like the Abrams and Challenger reigned supreme, to the point that tankers more or less thought themselves as impervious to harm. Yes, they could throw a track or have their optics knocked out, but nothing life threatening

Contrast that to now, where what appears to be a very small amount of ordnance - a few kg in a missile, or drone - is able to have an outsized effect on neutralizing armor. So now, modern militaries either have to come up with a way to really defend against them, or treat armor as semi-disposable.

Looking at Avdeevka, in retrospect its impressive the RuAF is attacking the way it is. I tried to imagine what NATO would do in the same scenario and I can't imagine they would even think about making an advance like this before a full year of round the clock aerial bombardment. The losses in this case are expected.

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The US would just drop Agent Orange to defoliate the shrubbery. But Russia is a moral nation and won't do that. If only Putin was as evil as Biden, this war would already be over. It continues to amaze me that the Ukrainians don't realize they are fighting a US Proxy war to the last drop of Ukrainian blood - and the US doesn't care how many die. It's all a geopolitical game to Washington, which is now calling the war a "good investment." How ugly.

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