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US/NATO must throw in a lot more money and hardware into this game in order to float Ukraine to the end of 2026. If ammunition, basic supply and air defense shortages prevail that will push the UAF toward disintegration further.

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I am kind of getting suspicious here about the general economic background of the main EU/NATO states in Europe. Suddenly, France, Germany, Italy, etc. reporting dramatic economic downturns. Germany and France is extremely strong in the welfare/social spending departments. Macron is at the end of the rope there (not literally as of yet). France is in major debt already. The German, French population will see the war as the major reason for the deprivation they are exposed to. There are many millions of workers in Germany who just might walk or be sent home as a result. Is it possible that there are substantial economic/financial issues covered up there some years ago and the higher energy prices and the Trump tariff games were only the final straw? If this theory is verified that would be the strongest explanation why they all went in for the Ukraine adventure, They were hoping to cut up Russia and plunder their way out of a financial crisis.

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Even Francis Parker Yockey recognized the cultural, political interdependence between America and Europe in his Imperium. The Western proletariat is already targeted, over a hundred thousand killed only in Canada by assisted suicide programs. Over a dozen US states are moving in the same direction. When Macron feels the rope around his neck he will do crazy stuff to save himself and his wife. And just wait what happens if/when Germany goes into a serious economic collapse. Mutti Merkel's workers' paradise will be thrown through a closed window.

Feral Finster's avatar

Merz already said that germany must transform from a "welfare state" to a "warfare state".

Of course, europeans make crap soldiers. Besides being nonces and ponces, congenital wimps, european populations also are *old*.

Grape Soda's avatar

You are not alone in this theory. The hope to cut up Russia for plunder was demonstrably real in the aftermath of the USSR collapse. I believe some still cling to this hope, even though that ship sailed some time ago.

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Just go back to the 1918 to 1922 period and take a look at the book: A Nasty Little War. (Amazon) Around a dozen nations under US initiation sent expeditionary forces into Siberia while poor commies fought a civil war there. Guess who won, the commies, mostly thanks to Trotsky.

Feral Finster's avatar

The "Russian cannibalism" trope is factually silly, but it serves an important propaganda purpose, we're almost there, just one more push, one more aid package, one no-fly zone, one expeditionary force and surely victory will be ours!

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

That'll put a stop to your whining, then.

abcdefg's avatar

More and more it seems like the SMO is set to morph into a Russia Europe direct clash. This is insanity, could it really come to that?

Victor's avatar

Not certain if Simplicius will issue another posting before Christmas but just in case here is my best wishes to all for a Merry Christmas for you and yours:

'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house

Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse;

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,

In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there.

The children were nestled all snug in their beds,

While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads;

And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,

Had just settled our brains for a long winter's nap.

When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,

I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter.

Away to the window I flew like a flash,

Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.

The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow,

Gave a lustre of midday to objects below.

When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,

But a miniature sleigh and eight tiny reindeer.

With a little old driver so lively and quick,

I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick.

More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,

And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name.

"Now, Dasher! now, Dancer! now Prancer and Vixen!

On, Comet! on, Cupid! on, Donner and Blitzen!

To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall!

Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!"

As leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,

When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky;

So up to the housetop the coursers they flew,

With the sleigh full of toys, and St. Nicholas too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof

The prancing and pawing of each little hoof.

As I drew in my head, and was turning around,

Down the chimney St. Nicholas came with a bound.

He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,

And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.

A bundle of toys he had flung on his back,

And he looked like a pedler just opening his pack.

His eyes—how they twinkled! his dimples, how merry!

His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!

His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,

And the beard on his chin was as white as the snow.

The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,

And the smoke, it encircled his head like a wreath.

He had a broad face and a little round belly

That shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,

And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself.

A wink of his eye and a twist of his head

Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,

And filled all the stockings; then turned with a jerk.

And laying his finger aside of his nose,

And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose.

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,

And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.

But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight—

"Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"

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PFC Billy's avatar

Oooh, GOOD ONE. Wicked good... Authors were better at English than most Americans, who IS their writer?

https://t.me/vicktop55/38852

(And does it come in other languages?)

JACk's avatar

Merry Christmas

Chip Worley's avatar

Merry Christmas! Chip

Gnuneo's avatar

The Europeans - and especially Britain - bet the kitchen sink on their sanctions destroying Russia. Forget this 90bn chump change, the real hook is on the line of hundreds of billions, potentially even Tns.

If/WHEN they lose, those debts will mature, and all of Western Europe will go bankrupt - even more than they are because they have lost cheap reliable Russian energy sources, along with the few areas of industrialisation.

Will they "Go to war"?

The truth is the financial and political elites will feel they have little choice, and their US/Israeli paymasters will reinforce that. And yet there is no way in hell that Europe could possibly beat Russia in a war.

Will they do it anyway? That depends on how wise European voters are, to vote in parties opposed to such insanity. And to fight against unjust disqualifications and open vote-rigging to keep the CIA friendly parties in.

Sadly, that means it will probably go ahead.

abcdefg's avatar

It would take a massive shift of public sentiment to affect the slide towards war. If that were to happen Gladio 2 would likely be the response.

Gnuneo's avatar

For sure some form of Gladio 'stay-behind' will be deployed.

But that doesn't solve Europe's actual financial problems. All it could do is also hamper Russian reconstruction, and force them to spend more on security.

Insurrectionary forces very, very rarely manage to take control of the contested lands and resources for the Banksters to then use as collateral, and that under certain conditions, most of which are not filled here.

Gladio will not bring Russia down, break it up, and instal a new Yeltsin. Only outright war has a chance of that - a vanishingly small chance, thankfully.

'Democratic accountability' in the West is at an all time low, lower than it has been for 150 years. The politicians will know that they will become DEEPLY unpopular with such a war, but they care as much as Zelinsky does. After all, anyone who opposes this suicidal move can and will be called "Putin stooges", and any election wins reversed immediately. If all else fails the CIA will just coup the countries anyway.

Think of the Israelis strategy, control the "elites", and ignore the outrage of the people. And how successful it has been, even in the face of an actual genocide, and the UN judicial condemnation of Israhell, Western leaders are still shaking Nuttyahoo's hand, and protecting Israel even from popular condemnation by actual citizens.

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Ooh, thanks. I've been waiting hopefully for Baud to appear again and explain what the dictoarship in Brussels has done to him. I've already heard his accounts are frozen, he can't enter the EU (Tricky for the Swiss), and his social media accounts are in jeopardy.

If they can get away with this, all of us 'refuseniks' will be next.

https://jonathancook.substack.com/p/how-reporting-facts-can-now-land?publication_id=476450&post_id=182321577&isFreemail=true&r=szqta&triedRedirect=true

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kam's avatar

Blood in the Castles first.

PFC Billy's avatar

I've expected for at least 2 years now that I'm unlikely to economically (or physically, comes to that) survive the repercussions of my (minimal) efforts at causing troubles for the ownership's takeover plans. I'm just old and crotchety and didn't give 2 shits any more.

Anthony Dunn's avatar

https://youtu.be/PXq89FryYzo?si=mNvwZpi47IzZLerh

And Nathalie Yamb sounds even worse if that's possible. This is Orwell on stilts

Chip Worley's avatar

"After all, anyone who opposes this suicidal move can and will be called "Putin stooges", and any election wins reversed immediately. If all else fails the CIA will just coup the countries anyway."

Thing is, this thing is mushrooming out of scale and the ability of the CIA/MI6/deep state to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Ukraine and the EU are falling head first off the cliff of collapse. Slowly then all at once. We are witness to a monumental shift in life as we have known it... Chip

E H's avatar

For sure some form of Gladio 'stay-behind' will be deployed.

The European is a docile pet. Gladio had nothing to do with mind manipulation and propaganda.

Goldhoarder's avatar

There is zero chance of that. We all burn in that scenario

Gnuneo's avatar

Yes, we will all burn.

There's a Heinlein short story where the heroes are trying to break into a maximum security moonbase, because the ultra-wealthy person who lives there has installed an 'assassination failsafe' - if their heart stops, WMDs will blow the Earth apart.

Obviously, eventually all hearts fail.

So they were trying to prevent the inevitable destruction of all Earth when this narcissist with too much wealth and power naturally died.

I don't recall how the story ended.

But it pointed to a very real truth among the 'elites' of the western countries.

Never underestimate the narcissism and sociopathy of the European 'elites', in the 19th century they slaughtered collectively at least 400m people, in less than 30 years of the 20th they deliberately slaughtered the >100m people in the WWs - and they knew what the results would be of their plans.

Yes, we will all burn, because these fools are like a suicide bomber that you cannot bargain with, only accede to. And the Russians and Chinese are not going to let these psychopaths destroy them, and wipe out their peoples.

And do any of us blame them?

It is up to Westerners to prevent this outcome, but Westerners are lost in a fog of misinformation, in draconian dictatorships they fondly imagine they have some control over every 4 years, and are the most surveilled people in the World.

Of course, we can always hope for some spark of illumination or intelligence from these 'elite' fuckers before it is too late, but the Western financial system is collapsing, and like in the Great Depression, people willing to throw themselves off skyscrapers would certainly press a big red button to take everyone else with them.

kam's avatar

Separate Muslim Army divisions? Of course, no bullets allowed.

Feral Finster's avatar

Europeans are the most rule-following, authority-trusting sheep on the planet.

E H's avatar

How do you turn emasculated men, terrified by thunder, into men? That is the question.

Gisela's avatar

I think by now we can all agree that elections don't mean a god damn thing anymore, at least in Europe. Although, I see little difference between the previous auto pen administration and this increasingly dictatorial ruling party in office now.

Gnuneo's avatar

The deep state is in full control. All Western intel agencies are now interconnected, esp CIA, Mossad and MIx.

Trump is simply too weak to lead the 'insurrection' he promised. It got him elected though... the average citizen it seems has quite the concerns.

Anthony Dunn's avatar

Deep state is in full control. Spot on.

And re the conversation above about Baud they are able to control banks, credit cards on a phone call; Nathalie Lamb like Jack Baud is unable to function, to buy things, to use credit cards, to travel and anyone attempting to help will be sanctioned also; Lamb says that after a speech she made, Macron made a call to the president of Sierra Leone and made sure her bank account was frozen there and what she says is unbelievable: yet it is happening. Point is any pretence at law has gone and anyone's life can be destroyed on a phone call. Unless you read forums like these, you will be unaware of this tyranny because Plato's Cave now has a dazzling, distracting light show that's improved on the shadows of old.

kam's avatar

Hey kids ! That Great White North LIBERAL democracy -CANADA.

Froze thousands of bank accounts. While Trudeau hid, sucking his thumb.

Spent years hounding the 2 main leaders and got a "public nuisance" conviction with a slap on the wrist.

And the female dictator midget of Canada? Chrystia Freeland? Now fully polished Jackboots as the head of that great Liberal Democrat -Cecil Rhodes Foundation.

All about the money. If they can't steal it from Russia, then they will steal it from the poor in their own countries. Rabid dogs - everyone of them.

mary-lou's avatar

sliver of hope: "...the Ontario Court of Justice has dismissed the Crown’s application to forfeit the truck of peaceful Freedom Convoy organizer Chris Barber. Mr. Barber’s 2004 Kenworth long-haul truck, known as “Big Red,” is his primary source of income for his family..." - https://www.jccf.ca/judge-dismisses-crowns-attempt-to-forfeit-chris-barbers-truck/

Chip Worley's avatar

Nor in the USSA. The march on our institutions is complete. They don't serve the needs of we the people but of the globalist AIPAC masters... Chip

Wolfgang Exel Watson's avatar

Based on what happens to dissidents now - Germany from 39-45 is a much better descriptor than USSA. On steroids at that. Just follow the proceedings against C.J. Hopkins. It's a shame of epic proportions and nothing was ever written to prepare people for it. Not even 1984.

kam's avatar

Israel has the entire Dual-Citizen Billionaire Army on the march to buy up all Media that won't say, "I'm with Israel." and "any killing we do, whatsoever is good."

Edgar Brenninkmeyer's avatar

Indeed. Bari Weiss has been selected to be their Jezebel.

PFC Billy's avatar

"The dogs shall eat Jezebel in the territory of Jezreel, and none shall bury her."

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Has a nice ring to it, eh?

Feral Finster's avatar

Trump has always been weak, stupid and easily manipulated.

Edgar Brenninkmeyer's avatar

TACO - trump Always Chickens Out

Feral Finster's avatar

The europeans hope to use this to their advantage, thus mousetrapping the US into going to war for them.

Angelina's avatar

Small country (Britain) with all the inbreeding, they just miscalculated, poor dears:-)

Gnuneo's avatar

There is nothing wrong with weak chins, baldness at 20, and a family tree that looks like a DNA strand! ;)

tomo stojanovic's avatar

Canadistan is even worse

Angelina's avatar

Used to be normal.

PFC Billy's avatar

"Family root ball"

Anna's avatar

The US/Israeli paymasters have zero regard for European voters.

Gnuneo's avatar

Not so much different from the European politicians themselves, then. Incl Britain in that.

Grape Soda's avatar

I think Europe will get war, just not the one they want. Civil war, if there is any kind of attempt to send western sons and daughters into a meat grinder. I don’t see any other out for current leadership than to create an enemy bigger than they are, in the hopes it will distract and buy time for a financial reset that favors them. At the same time it seems so stupid and self defeating I can’t really believe it. I guess we’ll all find out next year.

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There are some who note that the comments of European elites before the WWs, indicate that at least part of the motivation was to "Reduce the population of the lower classes" when starting and fighting those conflicts.

There is simply no way in hell that Europe can arm up and face down Russia on the modern battlefield.

But what they COULD do is what they've been doing in Ukraine - forcefully conscript the population not wealthy enough to buy their way out, and send them in meat waves to die horribly, with nazis behind to shoot any retreaters, and no medical care beyond extracting any useful organs for the super-wealthy and Israelis to purchase.

The Ukr population has been a test-bed for TOTAL control of the information space by Western intel agencies, to see what they could get away with before any civil uprising takes place.

And that's in a country where half the population considers itself Russian.

I fear for the kids of today - not that I'm too old to be conscripted either, again, as Ukr has shown.

But they'd be fucking fools to put a loaded gun in my hands, and the State and intel agencies are aware of that.

Especially if the PM was nearby.

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Europe shoulda never given up gunz. I'd love to see some of these forced mobilizations in the hood or countryside USA with a gun behind every bush. Fragging would start before Vietnam this time. Gen Z has nothing to live for anyway the hedge fund managers stole their future.

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I had an online American 'dad' from 2001 onwards, we chatted virtually every day after spending tens of thousands of hours arguing on an early internet politics forum about everything. He was a liberal Republican who enjoyed trolling as hardcore, and I was a hardcore libtard who used to be a Thatcherite as a teenager.

He made that very same point several times. In the 00s, that seemed like just a remote possibility. But as the years have passed, his words have seemed ever more prophetic.

Sadly no longer around to hear me tell him he was 100% right on that as well.

Tbh I still don't think that the general public should be allowed to walk around with guns, but the ORIGINAL intent of the USC is pretty good. Armed civilian militias with safe armouries to protect against Executive corruption and overreach.

Right now only the criminals, and the criminals in Govt, have the guns.

E H's avatar

And yet there is no way in hell that Europe could possibly beat Russia in a war.

Of course, they'll never show up on the battlefield, the emasculated ones. All they're capable of is sending messages to the front lines with yelps. Since the Gulf War, psychological monitoring of combatants has been introduced; what about nowadays? They should be put in nurseries. How many Western soldiers, including special forces, have resigned after their adventures in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.?

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I'm not sure what you're talking about? Western militaries are now largely designed as training courses for the private mercenary outfits, like the ~10-20,000 who entered Kursk and never came back out.

If you mean Western societies are now too soft, I'd suggest you go visit some poorer UK housing estates - make sure you have a knife vest on though, there are teenagers around.

Farang's avatar

I am honestly not that concerned for Russia.

For Europe I am. Europe is not Ukraine. It is not built by the Soviets. Russia will switch of the infrastructure here in a weeks time if it comes to this.

Yoni Reinón's avatar

Madness. Madness and stupidity

Feral Finster's avatar

Yes.

Europeans, however, cannot fight and will not fight, as europeans make Liberace look like Genghis Khan by comparison.

Europe, of course, will run screaming to the Americans.

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@abcdefg

If Britain (NO LONGER IN EU! DO YOU UNDERSTAND BREXIT YET???) + USA could maneuver the EU into engaging in open warfare with Russian Federation? Even if they didn't go nuclear (which they would).

Think about the windfall then available for USA + the "British butler" after EU was militarily wrecked and economically destroyed with the Russian Federation (hopefully) also badly damaged...

An outcome very much like what Britain initially hoped to achieve with the Germany vs. USSR war they intended to cause in 1939, before Stalin wised up, signed a non aggression pact with Hitler instead and the whole thing spun out of Britain's control.

Got to get the RF controlled share of Asia's resources as cheaply as possible and before China can buy them instead, don't they? Poor Europe, reduced to a sacrificial pawn.

abcdefg's avatar

Slow down Billy, I didn't mention the EU.

E H's avatar

You're putting too much importance on words that come out of the garden gnomes' beaks. Imagine the situation: you have a disagreement with some guy, he tells you he's going to punch your lights out, in 2030, not now. Do you take him seriously or call the psychiatric ward of the hospital?

For the emasculated EU to show up on a battlefield, they'd have to demand that four-month-old babies face them. I was a non-commissioned officer in the French army once upon a time; even back then, I saw myself as a clown, and I left, tired of entertaining the masses. So I won't even tell you about the theatrical armies with their gags these days. In the EU, they're Jerry Lewis armies. If it happens that the commander says, "Let's go." You have to understand what European armies are like these days: just a reason not to be unemployed without pay.

Bash's avatar

Europe is still a rich place, and there's a lot of money left to spend. Taxes will be levied and citizens will pay, pay, and pay again

The trajectory is obviously negative but life is simply not bad enough for enough people for it to matter, yet.

Axel's avatar

Taxes cannot be levied anymore in most of the EU: the overall rate and pace of taxation is already so high, that increasing taxes would only lead to less revenue.

France collected half of GDP in taxes already…

tomo stojanovic's avatar

I think you are right - life seems far harder in Canadistan or the streets of JUSSA

Feral Finster's avatar

Europeans like being slaves.

Kennewick Man's avatar

Under the cover there was likely far more opposition against the misappropriation of the Russia funds than what is disclosed. I guess Italy, Turkey and maybe a few more were opposing the plan as well but they played it politely to preserve supposed EU unity. This was an excellent opportunity for those sitting on the fence to place a long leash on the neck of the most militant women leaders who broke out of their kitchens, maybe even from the Lunatic Asylums . The $100 billion (or whatever) for two years will barely cover the needs for enough golden toilets for the Zelensky government. Unless the US opens up another ‘Lend-Lease’ deal for Ukraine behind the curtains it is difficult to see how they are going to pull through 2026. If Ukraine bumps into serious shortages with ammunition and basic supplies that will dramatically forward the end game for the UAF. Keep in mind that Ukraine has unavoidable operational expenses to cover like government and additional paychecks and endless purchases for medical, civilian and military goods. If they fail in those departments we will see more chaos and angry good looking women demonstrators like this last summer.

abcdefg's avatar

I think the latest €90 billion shows that no one will lend money to Ukraine expecting to get it back.

Moebius Infinity's avatar

Soon there may not be a Ukraine to get it back FROM

Ray-SoCa's avatar

Turkey is not an EU member.

Kennewick Man's avatar

But they are a NATO member since 1952 and they have a critical role to play in this game. They are also very close to Russia just like the three revolting Central European states, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia. My assumption is that they are consulted on all substantial issues.

Victor's avatar

But they are neither EU members nor tied to EU financial commitments.

Kennewick Man's avatar

That is true, but they control the Bosporus and Russian shipping from the Black Sea. They are also engaged in a critical, opening game in Central Asia where NATO/US is trying to hammer Kazakhstan into the general war effort against Russia. Kazakhstan has a 3 million Russian minority mixed into their 20 million population in a giant area with over 2,000 miles shared border with Russia. I think Turkey is consulted on any important issue, regardless it is not an EU member. My guess is that there are more EU members than visible to the naked eye who want to take the radicals under control and this was a good opportunity for them.

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Turkey isn't as much of a Western lapdog as , say Germany. They will do whatever they think is best for them, but if other countries want to pay them, they won't say no. Just don't expect loyalty.

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John,

They are playing both sides . Supplying oil to Israel , but embargoing some supplies . The are also supplying equipment to Ukraine as well . At the same time they are building a Russian reactor for electrical power . Erdogan is also involved in the Syria debacle . He is no-one's friend....

CC's avatar

Revolting? They can’t possibly be, millions of tourists every year!

Kennewick Man's avatar

It is a controlled little revolt. Under Orban's initiation they broke EU unity and their ideas are slowly chewing up the discipline inside the EU. If there was real unity the Russian money would have been taken a few days ago.

Edgar Brenninkmeyer's avatar

Thankfully, it hasn't.

Farang's avatar

Yet there are still more Turks in the EU than people from all 3 Baltic Chihuahua states combined, lol.

Chris Collier's avatar

This reminds me that I once heard that Berlin is home to the largest Turkish community outside Turkey. This was from a tour guide in 1988. I'm not sure of the numbers back then so I asked the GROK.

GROK tells me there were 5.5% Turkish folks in Berlin in 1988, or around 115,000 people.

It also said there were between 200,000 to 250,000 today.

And about 3 million people with Turkish migration background in all of Germany today.

"Germany hosts the world's largest Turkish diaspora. The community traces its roots primarily to the 1961 guest worker agreement, with continued family reunification, asylum, and other migration."

"As of late 2025 (based on the most recent available data from 2024–2025), approximately 5–6 million people of Turkish origin or descent live in the European Union."

Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

"I asked the GROK" - that's the part where everyone stopped reading.

Chris Collier's avatar

LOL, indeed.

I didn't have time to properly research anything. I thought it was close enough.

I think GROK is taking over or at least tied with quoting something from Wikipedia.

Mark Watson's avatar

AI is not what it's cracked up to be . I have read that when its propaganda is pointed out it apologises and then prevaricates and obfuscates. Larry Johnson did an excellent post recently on it . The ability of AI to produce deep fakes is amazing.

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"As of late 2025 (based on the most recent available data from 2024–2025), approximately 5–6 million people of Turkish origin or descent live in the European Union."

The Siege of Buda was in 1686. An extremely bloody event that broke the back of Turkish occupation in Hungary after 150 years. Inside was a mixed Turkish, Gipsy, Jewish army. Outside a lot larger international army from all over Europe. Members of the small group who survived inside were thrown from the very high walls and some sold into slavery.

E H's avatar

Didn't you think of asking the Greek?

E H's avatar

Turks, like Africans, etc., only appreciate the EU when they reside there, benefit from it, and are not forced to do anything; on the contrary, they maintain their way of life back home. Those who live in their home country without any desire to join the EU couldn't care less about the EU.

Angelina's avatar

Only because of its army and access to the Black Sea, Turkey is in NATO, but won't ever (well never say never) be in the EU.

Kennewick Man's avatar

The borders between EU and NATO were kind of wiped out by the crazy chicks who run away from their kitchens. EU became an unofficial NATO enforcer and EU leaders are not dependent on facing people for elections. The whole EU thing became a nightmare setup.

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mary-lou's avatar

pretend-armies.

Moebius Infinity's avatar

Turkey ended up on thanksgiving.

Givenroom's avatar

The future is bright, women escaping their kitchen and joining armies in…Ukraine, EU-Brussels and now in the US, Epstein victims leaving the trenches and going into the offensive.

Anthony Dunn's avatar

And of that 90 billion, 40 billion will be to pay off a previous Ukraine debt that has to be paid. So that means in fact it will only be 50 billion - and they have yet to work out how to make it happen.

Kennewick Man's avatar

If they will really take 40 B from the 90 B for repayment Mr. Z will simply not have enough to buy golden toilets for his inner circle. If this is all they get they will not see the end of 2026.

ron's avatar

No. It won't be used to pay off the loan. The loan will be rolled over and why not? However, the interest which is substantial will have to come out of the loan. As long as the interest is being paid and the E.U. says it won't let Ukraine fail such as by defaulting on big international loans, why not let it ride?

E H's avatar

This 90 billion euro figure exists only in words. Securing it is a monumental task requiring highly skilled individuals, whose expertise is nowhere to be found in the EU. Which creditor will agree to take a position without a debt maturity date? Furthermore, it is rumored that other countries will likely request the same exemption from participation enjoyed by Hungary, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic.

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At least half this loan is required to redeem other loans to Ukraine soft underwritten by the EU on the back of Russian assets/reparations, that are now going bad. The money is going to third parties (including the G7), not to Ukraine, although without the payments Ukraine would default and its own monetary system would collapse. No pension payments, no government salaries, no payments to the military.... for starters. Or rather Ukraine could just print, but the money would turn to dust.

These payments are required not only to avoid this charming denouement, and the civil breakdown consequent upon it, but to maintain the credibility of the entire european monetary system. That is why the loan was 'agreed'. That is also why this is buying a momentary postponement of a massive western european collapse over the maintenance of Ukraine that they all know is coming if they do not do a peace deal with Russia, pronto. This euro-mess suits Trump, of course. So don't expect the US cavalry to ride to the rescue.

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I have read similar figures elsewhere, but the note above suggests nearly all this "new loan" will be used to repay debt elsewhere. Boiling this down, the EU has repaid Ukraines' existing creditors (about half from countries and banks in the EU) by raising money from future taxes, and then trying to disguise this by calling it a loan. Really it is mainly an exercise in can kicking, a desperate attempt to push down the line a credit default event. Under almost no circumstances will Ukraine ever be able to repay its external debt which some sources now claim is $230B. Much of Ukraine's collateral is rapidly falling under Russian physical control as the front lines move west. This was an avoidable debacle, but I am guessing the reason the Euro leaders continue to double down rather than capping their losses is because existing losses are too big to contemplate.

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Cotra's avatar

This confirms my opinion.

The west is not going to give up their plan.

"Crush and rob Russia or die"

And these people know no fear.

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tomo stojanovic's avatar

it does mean they can confuse sheeple who are even weaker and dumber than they are - sheeple seeking propaganda and disinformation (just like a religion). They utilize this kind of sheeple confusion to exploit fearmonger muddy the waters... this is often enough to keep a psychocracy going a bit longer

Anna's avatar

You mean, "Onward Christian Soldiers?" -- Yes.

The zionism-infected EU has neither shame nor mercy.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

having lived all over JUSSA over more than a decade and having met politicians and their kids and some top judges etc.. I think they are mostly cowards know fear but believe in bluffing and lying, brainwashing. they know cults work - the whole country is based as a cult of mentally stuck at high school development sheeple. They are pussies and will show that as soon as they get a bloody nose. A spoiled brats , somehow bullies yet cowards...a strange mix of mental defects. Very little confidence a lot of acting, bluffing and lying , feeding a cult which can take them only so long

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Cotra's avatar

They are protected. They attack tankers, they kill the people in boats. Nobody dares to say or do anything. We can disagree, but the USA is the global Hegemon. This works as all other elites in the world dream about "becoming one of them".

Goldhoarder's avatar

They either have to defeat Russia or China. Onceone falls the other is a sitting duck.

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"Theo Francken has been critical of Belgian government actions regarding Israel, allowing anti-Israel demos without intervention, and generally not acting as a "friend of Israel..."

Theo Francken also declared that "Israel should have monopoly on nuclear weapons in region."

Theo Francken is a perfect shabbos boy openly genuflecting to zionists while expressing his hatred for Russia. What a moral eunuch!

Edgar Brenninkmeyer's avatar

Shabbesgoy. Pathologial zionist and russophobe.

Cotra's avatar

What is the reason that Begium supports Israel so much?

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

What is the reason in most other countries ?

Goldhoarder's avatar

China wasn't economically powerful back then. They tried to hit China in 2015. China countered. Probably why the US launched the covid operation too. Read this carefully

https://www.centralbanking.com/central-banks/currency/7860946/chinas-capital-controls-here-to-stay

John Osman's avatar

Very eloquent summary Marc.

Mark Watson's avatar

The money-go-round spins ever faster . There are very few income producing assets and growing liabilities . If it was a business the receivers would have been called in long ago . The UK is on the hook for a lot of it .

marcjf's avatar

https://youtu.be/TGczA97hmTw?si=AqPbwya1gzYOlRyk

Yanis explains why the asset seizure was not follwed through, and this new "loan was substituted.

Teresa's avatar

Excellent! Thanks for posting!

LaVerne Karras's avatar

I watched that, it looks like AI generated, in Larry Johnson's words, male bovine excrement.

Goldhoarder's avatar

Yes. Fake garbage

Sam's uncle's avatar

The video is from a channel that AI-generates Varoufakis content (same blue shirt every time).

I can't figure out if Yanis actually wrote those words somewhere or what the source is.

Interesting legal analysis all the same.

Feral Finster's avatar

The Sunk Cost Fallacy will be used to justify escalation.

Meredith Hobbs's avatar

Blackrock has a lot of money tied up in buying up Ukranian farmland and loans/acquisitions for oil, gas, mining entities in Donbass. So the EU taxpayers will take the hit to keep Blackrock from taking a haircut on its multi-billion dollar Ukraine investments.

Funny coincidence: The lead advocate for the 90B euro loan deal, Merz, chaired the board of Blackrock Germany until 2020 & handled corporate finance deals for US law firm Mayer Brown.

Goldhoarder's avatar

And just happened to become prime minister at this time. Crazy coincidence

Soujourner's avatar

Not a coincidence. The bank$ter$ always get their investment returned.

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

So how are they going to contemplate the even larger loss that will eventually result? I'm hoping for a lot of exploding heads - 🤯

Robert's avatar

The Duran mentions a 45Billion loan to be repaid, but I can only find https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2744 which states it will be repaid using Russia foreign reserve interest payments. It would be interesting to see the maturity dates of the various loans. I found https://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad/extforth.aspx?memberkey1=993&category=forth&year=2011&trxtype=repchg&overforth=f&schedule=exp&extend=y which shows just under 5B USD to be repaid to IMF by end of 2027.

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Yes, this new loan will pay off an old 40 billion euro loan back to the private bank who have received 6-7 billion euros in interest for it. This new loan will give Ukraine 50 billion to pay for pensions and of course interest payments to the private bank for another year.

So all in all, the new loan/grant from the EU will see 45 billion or so euro go to the private bank in London, Paris and Frankfurt. Not a bad days work for our favourite bank.

Garry's avatar

Very insightful Julianne, thanks.

Soujourner's avatar

Jullianne, thank you for this. As you may be aware, Fink is involved in discussions. Blackrock has already 'loaned' Ukraine in 2022 for reparations and, I suspect they are looking for a return of their capital. https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/article/corporate-one/press-releases/blackrock-financial-markets-advisory-to-advise-ministry-of-economy-of-ukraine

Jullianne's avatar

Indeed. The internal pressure now is immense.

GordM's avatar

Hopefully there is enough left over for a half decent sized baggie of blow for the shrub. Hate to see him have to do without.

Meredith Hobbs's avatar

Very helpful point. I was wondering who was paying the bills for the Ukrainian government to keep it running. US was paying $5B per month back in 2023 or 2024, IIRC. Ukraine is a failed state w/o the cash infusions from EU/US.

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The European kakistocracy have only empty words and gestures, they will never have the courage, much less the capability to actually engage militarily with Russia.

Once their proxy kleptocracy in Ukraine goes down the sewer , they will inevitably be sucked down with it. Their shelf life is a few years at best.

There is zero chance these cowards would start a face to face war with Russia without “daddy” Trump (as the lickspittle Rutte put it) , and Trump and the US simply aren’t interested.

People should sleep comfortably on that score at least.

abcdefg's avatar

Rationality doesn't always win the day. I remember Putin's speech on 23rd February 2022 when he said that the Russians waited too long last time. I'm sure the same thinking persists in the Kremlin.

Hussein Hopper's avatar

Not sure how that relates to what I said about the Euro clowns. Their actions are not at all dictated by rationality, only by cowardice, which is surely obvious by now.

Farang's avatar

I agree with you on the capability thing. But never ever underestimate the courage of stupid and delusional people.

Unfortunately, I still think that they will sacrifice one of the EU countries against Russia. Perhaps only for the propaganda value. "See kids, we told you, evil Vladimir was always planning to attack the EU".

They will of course back down after that country is destroyed in a weeks time, as this is not going to be a war in the same style as in Ukraine.

But then they will complain for years upon years about evil Russia who unprovoked attacked an EU member state.

Edgar Brenninkmeyer's avatar

If that EU member state were one of the tiny Baltic ones, a single Oreshnik (with conventional war head) would suffice. Maybe two. That EU member state will be gone within minutes, not in a week's time, yet - and that's the good news - without the nasty nuclear fallout. A very considerate option, I'd say.

If, however, as some NATO end EU goons dream of, NATOEU would go after Kaliningrad, then the Russian response will leave about 35 million Westeuropeans dead, their capitals destroyed. By means of nuclear war head carrying Oreshniks and other hypersonic missiles (Mach 10 and higher). That, too, is a very considerate option, from the Russian point of view. This option would make any further negotiation obsolete, as there is no one left to negotiate with.

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

Not sure if 'liking' is the correct response to this comment, but it is what Russia has promised.

Goldhoarder's avatar

Desperate is the key adjective

Hussein Hopper's avatar

They are stupid and delusional, but their cowardice, based on fear for their decrepit arses definitely overrides the former .

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Fyodor Lukyanov echoes the view that the EU’s “decision” not seize Russian assets was based purely on fear :

“Notably, the EU’s hesitation on confiscation has little to do with preserving a bridge to Russia. It is driven by fear. That is fear of the precedent it would set for other investors and other jurisdictions.”

They are complete cowards, whose only card is bluff.

Full article:

https://www.rt.com/news/629940-fyodor-lukyanov-russia-eu/

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Here's what the Euro's money will be spent on, from 'Colonel Cassad' on Live Journal (in Russian): https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/10260065.html

"List of the established Latin American mercenaries eliminated by the Russian Armed Forces during the attempts of the 47th OMBR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to drive Russian troops out of Yunakovka. Most of the victims are Colombians. However, there are also Mexicans, Guatemalans, Peruvians, and Argentines." What follows is a list of 47 Hispanic names including:

*** Jesus David Perez Zabaleta *** Yes, the Russians killed Jesus!

But seriously, as long as western currencies can be magicked into existence, and can be used to buy goods, they will be used to buy services, mercenaries included, the world is full of desperate men. In Latin America alone there are nearly 700 million people. This doesn't end until the USD and Euro currencies die. They are wrong of course, but this is why those who own the west still think they can win by wearing Russia down.

Kennewick Man's avatar

It seems to me they are not united enough and rich enough to throw unlimited assets into this game. They are also staying away from sending larger numbers of their soldiers into Ukraine. Those leaders who still retained some clear cognitive qualities understand that Russia has no design to attack NATO nations in Europe. Russia simply does not have the resources to perform traditional warfare there.

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

"traditional" being the operative word.

Feral Finster's avatar

The eu can also promise european passports to able-bodied men from Latin America, Asia or Africa after serving a tour int he War On Russia.

For better or worse, they would have no shortage of volunteers. Yes, "heritage europeans" would be diluted. Nobody will ask them and nobody of influence and authority cares what they think.

Goldhoarder's avatar

There are several thousand mercs there serving as front line troops in small units. Not even 10s of thousands. It doesn't work that way. What is supposed to happen is Romania and Poland are supposed to be the next cannon fodder. They both have 10s of thousands of troops trained up, equipped, and ready. The only think stopping them from going into Ukraine is the populations are firmly against it. They desperately need a believable false flag

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Agreed, Romania and Poland are the logical human resources for future operations. The problem is that the general population, east and west, has learned the methods of operations. Historically it was applications of constant provocations of events to create entry points for wars. Like the choking embargoes against Japan before Pearl Harbor and the military hardware shipments to Europe by the US for example the RMS Lusitania case. The last item shifted public opinion toward WWI entry in the US because there were over a hundred American citizens among the dead. As of today the same methods are applied against Venezuela almost daily to force that country into an uneven military conflict and take their natural resources.

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

Luckily, the Poles and Rumanians have the glorious example of the Ukrainians to encourage them. I imagine the undertakers businesses are stocking up already.

Kennewick Man's avatar

Yeah, it is going to be nasty.

Gnuneo's avatar

What a choice! The Russians can starve at home, or join the army and eat each other!

As the Ukies/West usually accuse Russia of what they are doing themselves, that sounds like a very bleak time in Ukraine right now.

abcdefg's avatar

Comrade in arms takes on a very different meaning...

occamsrazorback22's avatar

Plus !0 for subtlety abcdefg. Grilled arm served with Fava Beans is a delicacy in some cultures I hope never to visit. Supposedly this repast costs an arm and a leg in high- toned eateries.

Givenroom's avatar

Give me a break, Ursula and Maria K. their body language says it all they ain’t got balls, they’d have more success in a miniskirt and high heels.

Marledonna's avatar

Please, I have a visual mind and the view of Ursula in a miniskirt is too much to swallow before breakfast

Goldhoarder's avatar

Pretty sure that one is about leather, whips, ball gags. Kallas is certainly a dumb bimbo.

John Osman's avatar

Neither had Mrs Thatcher, Golda Meir, or Catherine the Great.

Women are every bit as warlike as men.

Givenroom's avatar

I don’t know about Golda and Thatcher because you should be surprised, but I know about Katherine the Great, her warzone was her bed she shared with many officers.

Casey Bowles's avatar

And her stable, if there's any truth to the stories.

Dhdh's avatar

because even a horse would not have sex with thatcher or that jew troll meir...

John Osman's avatar

Was Thatch not Jewish then?

Dhdh's avatar

Just a Jew stooge

(And her dad was a merchant)

Margaret Thatcher was not Jewish; she was raised a strict

Methodist. However, she had a close and admiring relationship with the British Jewish community and Israel, leading to her being described as an "honorary Jew". 

Her connection to the Jewish community was rooted in several factors:

Childhood experience: Before World War II, her family briefly sheltered a teenage Jewish girl, Edith Muhlbauer, who had escaped from Nazi Austria. This experience deeply affected her, teaching her the importance of helping those in desperation.

Constituency: Thatcher served as the MP for Finchley, a North London constituency with a large Jewish population, for 33 years. She often expressed admiration for her Jewish constituents' strong sense of community, self-reliance, and work ethic, which she felt mirrored the values of her own Methodist upbringing.

Political Ideology: She found that her philosophical beliefs, which emphasized individual responsibility and self-help, were reflected in the values of Judaism.

Cabinet Appointments and Support for Jewish Causes: As Prime Minister, she appointed several Jewish people to her cabinet, including Lord Immanuel Jakobovits, the Chief Rabbi, whom she elevated to the House of Lords. She also actively championed Jewish causes, such as fighting for the rights of Soviet Jewish refuseniks.

Relationship with Israel: Thatcher was a staunch friend of Israel and the first sitting British Prime Minister to visit the country in 1986. 

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

Only if they got brain (and face) transplants. Why stop there? Only if they were completely different people who liked that sort of thing.

Frantic's avatar

Given the contrasting reports on what's currently going on in Kupiansk (Ukrainian sole counteroffensive of 2025 since a couple of weeks at least by now), Simplicius evidently decided to steer out of writing sitreps about the frontline situation - probably for fear of writing something premature. The situation is extremely in flow, and he prefers to feed us slop about losers.

Syrsky says the AFU has retaken 90% of Kupiansk, but on militarysummary map (pro-Russian) visually it seems like it's about 50% of the city back in the crests' control.

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Frantic's avatar

Because it's the main event on the frontlines atm!

Why, on the other hand, Simplicius totally switched out of reporting on the actual fighting, in order to cover this idle political slop which we all know doesn't lead anywhere and it's just performative?

Goldhoarder's avatar

Always someone spreading the ukro propaganda

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

More to the point, why is he believing the AFU?

Sam's avatar

Yes I’m a bit disappointed of the lack of reporting of this

Ismaele's avatar

Not even a brief mention of the killing of a Russian general in Moscow yesterday??

Brian Simpson's avatar

The dirty terror war engaged by the US and Britain using the SBU and its' human assets in the RF is of great concern.

Murders of generals, the mall in Moscow, drone attacks on nuclear assets, attacks on shipping.

My concern is that when Russia ultimately gains all the territory it must, there will remain a "government" in exile, paid by the US and UK to continue these destabilizing actions.

This can lead to serious consequences.

Ismaele's avatar

Yes, the drone attack against a ship of the so-called Russian shadow fleet in the Mediterranean is another dangerous escalation, but, as I wrote somewhere else, Russia will not answer symmetrically. In a previous occasion, maybe ~1 year ago, Putin clearly said that Russia will respond to such terrorist attack by providing weapons to its allies. Surely everyone remembers what happened off the coast of Yemen early this year, when the US Navy had to withdraw from the region because of accidents after accidents - in case someone needs a refresher, here is one:

https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/outlaw-us-empire-humiliated-by-the

Brian Simpson's avatar

My question is did Russia transfer high end, hypersonic anti ship missiles, launchers and technicians to Venezuela?

Is that possibly why Trump has not ordered direct strikes or an invasion ?

Ismaele's avatar

It is hard to say what Russia provided to Venezuela, most likely air defense, but we know for sure that Russia did transfer materiel to Venezuela and Russian officials have not hidden it, actually they even said it loud.

As I opined in my article 2 days ago (link below), Trump is probably trying to arrange a false flag attack or provoke and push Maduro to commit a misstep, i.e. make him attack US assets in the region first, so that Trump has the perfect excuse to bomb Venezuela (similarly to what happened in Ukraine: they put Russia into a corner and what happened before February 2022, i.e. EuroMaidan coup in 2014 and civil war in Donbass, was long forgotten on MSM): https://geopolitiq.substack.com/i/182167810/war-in-venezuela-soon

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I am flabbergasted by it but this seems likely. They did a coup in 2002 that put Chavez in jail. His people in the barrios flooded the city and forced them to release him. I would have thought the US must have known something. Like Maduro doesn't have that same level of support or there was a military general from Chavez's people that want Maduro out.. but it seems to be a bluff. We'll see I guess

Feral Finster's avatar

"My question is did Russia transfer high end, hypersonic anti ship missiles, launchers and technicians to Venezuela?"

Don't kid yourself. That would require an aggression and audacity which Russia has entirely lacked so far in this war.

Gisela's avatar

Absolutely and entirely lacking! That's the reason why these global bullying tactics against, Russia continue, they repeatedly turn the other cheek and 'red lines' don't mean a thing.

Frank Sailor's avatar

'red lines' which the west created for Russia. I am not aware of any red lines of Russia except for the EU countries to send their troups into Ukraine.

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

You know the noise a mosquito makes? well . . .

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

" My question is did Russia transfer high end, hypersonic anti ship missiles, launchers and technicians to Venezuela? "

Iran has your answer.

Goldhoarder's avatar

Not really. Russia did help Iran. And are helping even more now. SU 35s, training, helping with air defenses. Russia had offered to help Iran with air defenses before but Iran turned it down bevause they were intent on developing their own. Iran is a different animal though. Russia can send whatever they need right through the Caspian Sea. Logistics wins wars. Venezuela can't depend on Russia and China to save them. If they were smart and prepared they have their own drone program going. Russia could have given them a fiber optic drone to copy. In-between the jungles and the mountains what a hell that could be to any invasion force.

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

" And are helping even more now. SU 35s, training, helping with air defenses. "

I bet you the su-35 will never arrive in Iran. What Russian tanks does Iran have , what Russian tanks was India allowed to purchase recently ?

" he Iranian Army has begun to receive newly developed Suleiman-402 main battle tanks, which are supplied through comprehensive modernisation of the M60 tanks supplied by the United States in the 1970s. "

" $6.5 billion deal for 48 Su-35 multirole fighter jets was finalized in early 2025.

Deliveries: While the bulk of the 48 jets are scheduled for delivery between 2026 and 2028, Russia reportedly delivered a small number of MiG-29 jets and Yak-130 combat trainer aircraft earlier in 2025 to help Iranian pilots transition to modern platforms. "

Goldhoarder's avatar

Would you want to go into Venezuela? It is pretty obvious they are trying to setup some type of regime change. They need that to happen before they go in. Remember it was the barrios that saved Chavez during the last major coup attempt. The US has the remants of the old oligarchy before Chavez. What is left of the old Spanish lineage elite. Chavez had replaced those people in the military with people from the barrios. That is the only reason he held onto power and what has caused the US all these headaches. It isn't obvious yet that they found a way around this. You would think they had something planned!

Dhdh's avatar

yes, that is why accidents need to stat happening to the jew - kushner whitkoff, nulland etc... need to start falling off balconies...

Australia was a great start...

Feral Finster's avatar

So what is Russia going to do about it? Cry "terrorist! no fair!"?

How many terror events have we seen go unanswered already?

Feral Finster's avatar

Well, Russia is taking its sweet time about doing that, whilst the terrorist attacks and others keep piling up.

Steghorn21's avatar

Why not give Putin a call? Sounds like he needs your advice.

Feral Finster's avatar

That line of argument could just as easily applied to Biden or to anyone else.

Aelwed Bell's avatar

The warmonger's desperation is rising to a fevered pitch. When psychopaths reach high levels of desperation and look failure in the face, logic is completely gone, and they become capable of anything; including their own destruction. This is madness. Humanity is under a serious threat.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

they do tend to eventually self destruct

as do psychocracies

Jullianne's avatar

I don't buy the argument that tying the repayment to victory over Russia effectively commits the EU nations to this war ad infinitum. We know that is impossible for all sorts of reasons not least that the fund will last months not years, and Ukraine is about to be 'beat'. What it does, they might hope, is give them leverage for extracting a bailout from the US in return for agreeing a peace deal. But the US won't be interested in getting european consent to any deal it strong-arms upon Ukraine. It will strong arm Ukraine into agreeing whatever, and leave europe to decide if it is going to fight Russia directly, all on its ownsome, over a dead issue, or not.

The truth that everyone knows, is that Ukraine cannot repay the money and so to grant the loan QUA LOAN is a fraud on EU citizens. They are avoiding this allegation by explicitly framing what looks like a loan in terms that make it a grant with a 'spes' (hope) of getting the money back from Russia some-when. It is a bit like borrowing money on the hope of an inheritance from someone yet to die, coming good. People try and fail to do that all the time!

The question is will this bit of legal footwork acknowledging there is no loan while calling it a loan, work to save the skins of UVDL et co, when all this goes belly up? No, because they are sidestepping what will be the facts on one potential charge sheet by creating a different charge sheet- that they just gave the money away and knew that was what they were doing. They will struggle to claim any democratic mandate-consent through representative democracy, against the argument that those apparatchiks agreeing to the terms as reps of a wider public, were complicit in the crime rather than sanctifying it. That is what national governments will say once they turn out their current incumbents and the european post mortems on this done-war start. All VDL and co have achieved is to widen the complicity net, not shrink it. But hell, that always helps when you are right in the middle of criminal conspiracy. If you can't get out, make sure you drag in as many other people as you can to multiply incentives to get you off the hook!

HandleIt's avatar

LOL MacGregor been saying Ukraine is done for 4 years meanwhile Ukraine is still able to counterattack to this day and Russia is still toiling over little villags in Donbass. Europe has plenty of time to gear and man up.

Jullianne's avatar

It is certainly the case that Russia has been obliged to empty a much bigger barrel, much to China's delight. Who knew this would finish off the entire EU and drain US supplies to a dangerously low reserve! This is what has so dismayed the USA. We were supposed to have a cease fire and whole new battle lines by now with european forces stationed in west Ukraine and a fully operational Ukrainian army just the other side of the Dnipro. Instead it looks like the west can kiss goodbye to Odessa now. Who is winning here, Handlelt?

HandleIt's avatar

Russia is winning for now. But economies good or bad are fleeting and IMO this will be a 30 years war. Europe will be thrown in by 2030 https://france.news-pravda.com/en/world/2025/12/23/76287.html

so it was in Russia's interest to shock and awe Like Mr MD always says.

Goldhoarder's avatar

Nonsense. Russia has resources. China is the manufacturing powerhouse of the world. Europe has what exactly? Overpriced handbags and sexually confused men ? Their energy prices are 3 to 3.5 times Russia and China's. Good luck with that

Kennewick Man's avatar

Yes, the 30 year war is my fear also.

NiggleS's avatar

ROFLMAO.

1917 called. Wants its tired ignorance of the realities of war back.

After 4 years of fighting over the same French villages, it was obvious the Allies were *never* going to defeat Germany....

Europe gear up??

With what?

War machines are built with steel and oil. Guess what Europe *doesn't* have the ability to increase production of??

Kennewick Man's avatar

Indications from satellite images are that Western Europe is rapidly expanding hardware manufacturing abilities. Their present issue is timing. They have to make the UAF last for a year or more to step in. At least this is their hope. This is what the present 'loans' are aiming for. German Rheinmetall is working to open a factory in Hungary to manufacture large numbers of 155mm shells by mid 2026.

Frank Sailor's avatar

It's not going to happen, Rheinmetall is largely owned by Black Rock, they already count their losses since stock market values are only that if you can't cash them out.

Kennewick Man's avatar

And this is my deepest fear also.

Feral Finster's avatar

"I don't buy the argument that tying the repayment to victory over Russia effectively commits the EU nations to this war ad infinitum. "

What it means is that The Sunk Cost Fallacy will be used to mousetrap europe into open, direct intervention, with the hope that the Americans can be prevailed upon once more to ride to their catamites' rescue.

Jullianne's avatar

The ship has sailed, FF....... sometime ago.

abcdefg's avatar

That may be so, but that doesn't stop them trying.

Jullianne's avatar

I don't see them trying to intervene directly in a live war situation, ab. Quite the reverse. They have been resolute in insisting that they will intervene ONCE a cease fire is agreed, and even then, only with US backing-cover. Brave, eh? This has infuriated Ukraine.

abcdefg's avatar

I wasn't thinking Ukraine. There are plenty of other theatres they can choose to drum up some Spectacle to manipulate the gullible.

Goldhoarder's avatar

It isn't going to happen. If it did it wouldn't last a week. Russia has made it clear. Europe isn't Ukraine. Russia wants nothing to do with it. They lost over 20 million the last time. If the EU starts a war they might as well launch all their nukes because Russia is launching everything they have.

Kennewick Man's avatar

For example Kazakhstan where Turkey is already preparing the ground for conflict with Russia.

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

I imagine there are grounds for a legal action against the EU. Whether it would be allowed to win possibly depends on the timing.

Casey Bowles's avatar

How much of this money that the EU mandarins are stealing from their citizens is going to tiny hat-wearing financiers and bigger Finks? I am sure that's just a coincidence and means nothing, just like every rat fleeing Ukraine for Israel once their corruption is exposed.

John Osman's avatar

Most of it. This loan is being used to protect Ukraine's credit rating, not its borders.

Dhdh's avatar

Ursula von der Leyen

@vonderleyen

EU and Israel are bound to be friends and allies.

Because the history of Europe is the history of the Jewish people.

Our democracy flourishes if Jewish life flourishes, too.

I am committed to fighting antisemitism and fostering Jewish life in the EU.

https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/1536605856556630017?s=20

mary-lou's avatar

says the gal with the nazi family background. she really doesn't care, does she....

Dhdh's avatar

The ‘Nazis’ were the good guys. The Jew is the problem. Always has been.

Kennewick Man's avatar

What a sweet little freedom fighter this psycho is.

Gisela's avatar

It would be interesting to know how much of the 90 billion goes towards paying off some of the previous loans to Ukraine.

Kennewick Man's avatar

Judging from the overall image they want the UAF last for a year or more until they prepare an entry point into the conflict. It is going to be like the Peloponnesian War, lasting for long decades until one side makes a fatal mistake. There it was Athens while sending a major navy to Sicily to be destroyed by strategic mistakes.

Jams O'Donnell's avatar

These forecasts of a long war are way off. AFU are suffering from thousands of deserters each month, plus thousands of casualties each month. Body exchanges with Russia are along the lines of 1000 to 10. There is no point in having weapons if there are no hands to use them.

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The wider reality examined shows the real intention. Major hardware production increase drive in NATO Europe and gradual enrollment of Kazakhstan against Russia. In Poland and Romania the population will kick and scream but there are a lot of penniless men in both nations, good to be sent to the butchering stations. NATO will need a year more to gear up.

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

When was the last time you visited Poland ?

Kennewick Man's avatar

A long time ago. Conditions might have improved since. However, the old bitter hate against Russia is the same.

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

The penniless Pole is not as prevalent as you think now.