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Feral Finster's avatar

Berletic deserves a solid gold medal the size of a manhole cover.

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Denis's avatar

Now let's see...1kg=35oz gold at $3,800 US an ounce =$133,000

so that one manhole cover weighing 50 kg

equals $6,650,000 in gold.

I don't know Berletic, but I'll look it up.

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Victor's avatar

😉🤣😂🤣

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Denis's avatar

King of firsts, Victor. You should dedicate one to Simplicius for good measure or would it take too much time for you to secure your position? lol

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Victor's avatar

Much too much time! 😊

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Moscow Mule's avatar

Congratulations, Victor, really well done.

Now, let me try to put your feat to (hopefully) good use with a substantive comment about the Russia / China / Iran / North Korea love quadrangle and technology transfers.

My understanding is that the Russians have been very careful with technology transfer, especially with China.

In the new post-Ukraine world, Russia does not want to give away its crown jewels and its defence industries clearly fall in that category. Russia wants to carve for itself a place as an alternative non-Western supplier of certain high tech products including weapons. Giving away technologies to China is not a viable strategy - they have production costs that are way lower than those of Russia and it would end up like what has happened with consumer electronics and many other industries.

Look at what is happening in civil aviation: Russia is developing completely russified new airliners - a unique achievement that no other country in the world can match (Boeing and Airbus are relying on a global network of suppliers from many different countries). But they are still manufacturing aircrafts like Hermes makes handbags - a few every year.

To develop this industry to the required scale (in Khrushchev's words, to manufacture them "like sausages"), Russia will need to acquire the know-how to move to mass production. Some cooperation with China and also with Iran / North Korea on non essential elements would certainly be part of the solution. I believe another approach would be to maximise the development of manufacturing robots (a big priority in Russia under then President Medvedev) to ensure that United Aircraft Corporation becomes another Apple - designed in Siberia, manufactured in China.

PS I would really like Simplicius to put his Dark Futura hat at back on some point to elaborate on these issues.

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Victor's avatar

I'm pretty sure they are ramping up to mass produce their domestic aircraft as we speak, esp once they get final certification of their MC-21 airliner. I don't think they want to farm out any of their domestic production capability, not wanting to rely on foreign suppliers. But you probably know better than I.

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Dhdh's avatar

exactly - White Engineers have no motivation to design and Build for a jew system that hates them. The future is White Russia!

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N Bear's avatar

Bet this retard calls yellow people asian, and brown people arab like the good cuck he is..... Europeans are too funny!

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Dhdh's avatar

Yellow. lol.

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John Osman's avatar

No one can understand why, when Zaluzhny is a Nazi and Ukrainians love dressing like the Waffen SS,, Dhdh is supporting the Untermenschen.

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Dhdh's avatar

Rabbi Azman presented Zaluzhny with matzah prepared according to an old recipe

https://risu.ua/en/rabbi-asman-presented-zaluzhny-with-matzah-prepared-according-to-an-old-recipe_n138198/amp

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John Osman's avatar

Did he give him his swastika, or as you prefer "swastica", bracelet too?

Adolf would be so disappointed in you!

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Dhdh's avatar

Wow the Jew system programming in you is strong. Guess it is hard for low IQs such as yours to think for yourself.

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Denis's avatar

"PS I would really like Simplicius to put his Dark Futura hat at back on some point to elaborate on these issues."

His Dark Futura work was outstanding, but conflicted with some material we see here and was less profitable. I'm guessing here, but I'd do the same.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

FWIW: rumor that the COMAC 919 is going to dump its "Western Engines" for a Russian one. But China is also developing its own.

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Feral Finster's avatar

There has been joint production of Soviet/Russian aircraft in India going back decades.

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JG's avatar

A very strange world after all…🎶❤️🐈‍⬛

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

>MiG-29 arrived in Iran, Su-35s are on way in significant numbers, HQ-9s are coming in volume, and the S-400s have already been delivered — announces Abolfazl Zohrevand, member of Iran’s Nat Security Commission

Has Putin somehow overcome his Zionist loyalties because he realized that if Iran falls, Russia is done for, and at last he cared more about Russia than about Israel, or the military finally found the courage to override him on this matter?

Still, it might be too little too late.

And why are the Chinese only sending HQ-9s and not jets? They have a lot more to spare right now and much higher production capacity anyway.

Also, the Iranians themselves are to blame for much during the war -- all the hardened shelters at Israeli bases should have been hit, then the open areas pounded mercilessly with cluster warheads, to disable the Israeli aviation. And I saw no evidence that was even attempted...

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

The usual doom and gloom plus, Russia/Iran/China/etc/ are bad/cowardly/incompetent.

Are you an MS word template set on random but limited word selection, or are you just cut and pasting from ISW propaganda articles ?

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Kennewick Man's avatar

I can smell an AI IQ all over his cut and paste activity. Zero organic human mind activity detected.

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

Actually does sound a bit AI , but they are all as woke as. Have you found a conservative one? Still reminds me of General Melschit in Black Adder though.

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Archie1954's avatar

If it is possible to fight a war gently, that is exactly what Russia is doing. The US calls Russia incompetent because it didn't just pound Ukraine into smithereens. Russia is attempting to prevent civilian deaths and therefor has tried to hit only military targets including military ordnance manufacturing plants. Only when Ukraine attempted to kill Russian civilians in cities did Russia depart from its original strategy. Russia is not the evil empire, it leaves that title to Washington!

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

I agree, contrast Russia’s approach with genocidal Zionist scum.

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alx west's avatar

=that if Iran falls, Russia is done for,

what? take a pill!

yeah you are another armchair warrior.. i guess typing from line of engagement from Gaza?

or mom;s basement?

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GM's avatar

If you don't understand how the dominos fall even when it is so obvious, there is little point in typing thousands of words to educate you. Hopefully somebody else does.

Just look at a map, FFS.

And Iran is in fact the second, or even third domino. It went Hezbollah neutralization -> Syria regime change -> direct war on Iran, and each step facilitated the next one.

Syria was so important that Brezhnev actually sent the nukes to defend it in 1973.

And even the traitor Putin first went to war in Syria, not in Ukraine.

Only to then give it all up without a fight for who knows what kind of yet another shady deal, that was then of course not kept by other side.

Iran is even more important currently after the USSR collapse and Moscow no longer controlling Central Asia.

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

Total horseshit cut and pasted from the ISW propaganda website.

Seems your idea of “education” is propaganda.

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alx west's avatar

mor1on!

I live in Russia. i dont like arguing w/ uneducated mor11ons.

it is not worth it.

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Russia wont spend time/money/people to defend god's know what 1000xx km off own borders ..

USSR tried ... it failed!!

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as far as Central Asia concerns

mor11on!!

open geo map. it is land locked.. Caspian sea west, Russia-Siberia north, china-mountains on east!!

Kazakhstan biggest country in the world w/out access to world oceans.

get back to school !!

ps

Brezhnev NEVER sent the nukes to SYRIA!!! get lost!!!!!!

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mary-lou's avatar

meanwhile and similarly unrealistic a breakdown of Trump's latest tweet ("decisions") regarding Ukraine, as he's been "...ill advised by a coterie of foreign and national security officials who, with very few exceptions, are dyed in the wool Russophobes..." - https://scottritter.substack.com/p/the-death-of-a-nation-0d5 /HT Scott Ritter.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

I have to wonder why Ritter and others (especially Krainer) keep trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Trump is a mafia don. He's not being "ill-advised", he's getting precisely the input and the results he (and his donators) wants.

Hudson gives a great summary of these events in this article. But if you want more, there are two YouTubes under Geopolitical Economy Report that provide more details. Hudson knows Trump is a crook.

https://www.geopoliticaleconomy.report/p/michael-hudson-trump-europe-korea-japan

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Archie1954's avatar

"Russophobes" and stupid to boot!

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Kennewick Man's avatar

He is mirroring half drunk AI BS all over the board!

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Landlocked, you mean like the NED-sponsored coup in Kazakhstan? don't feel too badly, most Americans have no idea where Venezuela even is.

In January 2022, Kazakhstan experienced violent protests that were described by President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev as an attempted coup d'état, triggered by rising fuel prices and broader discontent with the government. The unrest resulted in significant casualties, with over 200 people killed and thousands arrested, leading to the intervention of Russian-led troops to restore order.

Lucky the CSTO was there to ensure it failed. Without Russia, the CSTO would be like NATO without the USA.

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Archie1954's avatar

But the US had missiles in Turkey and the USSR had them removed by the US as part of a quid pro quo after the Cuba missile crisis!

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Hans Kloss's avatar

The US decommissioned the Jupiter missiles as a result of Cuban crisis, this fact has been art of the secret agreement that ended it. A great mistake on the side of the SU and great success for the US as all thought the SU did not get anything out of this.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

‘Syria was so important that Brezhnev actually sent the nukes to defend it in 1973.’

Sorry GM, you have been double-crossed by a half-drunk AI commando again. Nobody threatened or shipped nukes during that conflict. Golda Meier was playing with the idea when cornered during the war but Kissinger talked her out and the US sent a complete arsenal of traditional hardware to save the favored pet.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

You are being unfair to Putin and misrepresentative of facts on the ground. He tried to warn Assad. Assad failed to listen. But then., who can blame Assad? Remember the phony chemical attack the US staged using the White Helmets to "cross Obama's red line".

I keep hearing that the US is in empire decline, but then look at how well they executed the Nepal coup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgZXwXIVZTk

Add to that all the MI6 operations that keep popping up all over the place with the MSM still trying to convince us that citizens just got tired of their corrupt government.

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Archie1954's avatar

Actually executing such a Nepal coup shows just how in decline they already are!

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

"they"?

I'd think it points more to how devious the Oligarchy is. The Oligarch has been around for hundreds of years.

I know I'm not directly responding to the question you ask in relation to my post. It's just that a debate on this isn't going to go anywhere. To many undefined variables.

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Hans Kloss's avatar

The occasional decapitation of the ruling class by the plebs is necessary exercise as people tend to forget the lessons of the past even if they are well documented. The same is true about major military conflict. The humanity seems to be hell bent on war and some people just forget that they too can get killed.

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

>You are being unfair to Putin and misrepresentative of facts on the ground. He tried to warn Assad. Assad failed to listen.

Which year of the war are you referring to? 2024? If that is the case, you need to go back to the beginning.

>But then., who can blame Assad? Remember the phony chemical attack the US staged using the White Helmets to "cross Obama's red line".

Yes, remember that. And remember Putin's role in it. Which was to play the good cop in defanging Syria.

Syria had a deterrent against Israel -- it didn't have nukes, but it had a large chemical weapon stockpile. Obama declared the "red line", then Putin came up with the diplomatic masterstroke of Syria handing over its chemical weapons. Which was portrayed by the sycophantic non-Russophobic media as some genius move, but what was the net result of that particular story? Syria lost its deterrent.

There were many episodes like that, and the sequence of them is how Syria ended up hollowed out and ripe for the taking in 2024, when Putin also refused to fight for it once again. The most notable ones:

1) Non-existent support in the early years of the war. Some of this might be on Medvedev, as a continuation of the Libya fiasco in 2011, though from what I can gather as information, Medvedev did supply Syria with weapons in 2011 and early 2012, and then once Putin was back on the throne, support stopped. Which exactly coincided with the war starting to turn against Assad.

2) Then ISIS appeared in 2013-14 and Russia finally moved in to save the day at least temporarily. But who was behind that decision? Putin or the siloviki who managed to overrule him on this occasion (BTW, notice how you can find some leaked video from those years of the Russian military and the Iranian military planning things together and discussing strategic cooperation, but while that was happening Putin was still adhering to the sanctions against Iran and you would not see him together with the Iranians the same way; that is telling)? In any case, it was all for naught because even though the combination of Russian air power, Wagner on the ground, Iranian forces, Hezbollah, and the then still not an empty shell Syrian army did defeat the US/Israel backed jihadists, the job was not finished -- Idlib was left as a festering wound and the Americans moved in and occupied the northeast.

Why was Idlib not finished off? It had in fact been ready for the taking, but the order came from Moscow to stop and then Astana was signed. Does that remind us of several other such episodes in the Donbass, Mariupol most notably? And what happened eight years later?

3) All throughout Russian air defense stood inactive while Israeli jets bombed Syria wherever and whenever they wanted.

4) You can compare that to the situation during the Cold War -- that would have been absolutely unthinkable back then, the jets would have been shot down before they even entered Syrian airspace and the USSR would have pumped Syria with Iskanders to flatten the Israeli air force bases in response. Which is part of the broader theme of insufficient material support compared to what would have been provided in the 1960s and 1970s.

5) 2024 was the final coup de grace. Again, Syria is so important because of how the dominoes fall after it that a responsible patriotic Russian leader would have threatened Turkey with a strategic nuclear strike to save it, and then actually followed up on that threat if the threat was not taken seriously.

When you sit down to analyze what actually happened, you quickly see that Putin in fact facilitated rather than fought to prevent the collapse of Syria.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

I cannot dismiss your points as irrelevant.

Let's just say that I disagree with your characterization of Putin.

You seem to have valid reasons for your position but they aren't convincing me. Syria is maybe a rook on the Chessboard, but not a knight. it might only be a pawn actually.

Interestingly, you force me to conclude that I really want to see the overthrow of the US government.

I mean guillotines for the Wall Street Bankers and all the chaos that follows.

Obama placed in a sand pit dug out at low tide on Martha's Vineyard.

Hunter Biden (and a host of others) provided with tree stump remover (which didn't work) and told it is Cocaine.

Someone piloting an F4 deciding a suicide to take out the 3rd vehicle in a Trump convoy would be a lasting legacy.

Charles Koch stuffed into an oil drum.

Burning down AIPAC offices wherever.

You know what I mean? Some real actions that might take out the Oligarchy.

If Brits are disappointed I didn't mention the "City of London" -- do something other than fawn over the Royalty who hates your guts.

If you're French, what excuses do you tell yourself that allows Macron (the new Louis) to remain in power. Does Macron provide the cake? The Yellow Vests aren't even a shadow of the forces that resulted in Les Misérables.

If you are Latvian, Estonian or Lithuanian, well, you suffer from an incurable psychosis so do whatever you want. You allowed an incoherent NAZI to achieve a high position in the EU governance. You cut off power from Russia to prove what exactly, that cutting off your own dick is heroic?

Polish? Go ahead and live up to your reputation. Jimmy Kimmel is looking to recycle all his Polack jokes.

If you're German, Heil Merz! Scratch a German, find a NAZI. Feel free to march against Russia with your NAZI Ukrainian "brothers". Russia is ready. They did it before, they'll do it again.

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

>You know what I mean? Some real actions that might take out the Oligarchy.

The oligarchy indeed. We have been over this many times too, but let's do it again.

What is the fundamental scheme of this war? Western oligarchy fights a war against Russia in order to take over its resources using Ukrainian grunts as cannon fodder and the Ukrainian oligarchy as the middle men.

So what are the options to win the war?

1) Nuclear strikes

2) Precision strikes directly on the key members of the Western oligarchy in order to force them to back off

3) Precision strikes on the Ukrainian middle men in order to break up the scheme

4) Attrition war to kill off the cannon fodder, sacrificing hundreds of thousands, soon the be millions ethnic Russians on both sides.

What did Putin choose?

Obviously #1 we want to avoid. But #4 is absolutely insanity too. And Putin himself said many times there will never be a major war on Russian soil, but what do we have now?

So why were options #2 and #3 not used? Because there might have been reciprocal action against the Russian oligarchy. And that is a risk the Russian oligarchy does not want to take. Any non-zero such risk is much worse for them than sacrificing millions of supposedly their own people. It's as simple as that.

It is also an incredibly ugly, horrible, cowardly, despicable thing to do.

A responsible elite that cares about its country takes that risk to protect its people, and takes it with pride and honor. The current Russian elite has no honor.

And as a result of four years of that shit show, we are in a situation that Russia cannot dig itself out of without nuclear strikes. What we were trying to avoid.

And yet the cargo cult keeps spinning, telling you what a great statesman Putin is and how much he cares about Russia and the Russian people. It's all very vomit-inducing...

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

The only thing falling is the euro congaline. And they are falling off the stage.

Get a perspective, tranquilisers may help.

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Dhdh's avatar

try adding a substantive comment instead of ad hominem idiocy.

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alx west's avatar

=substantive comment instead of ad hominem idiocy.

do it ... but first stop talking in front of mirror in your mom's basement

lunch break is over. get back to school.

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Dhdh's avatar

you must be a tv watching boomer to think this is clever in any way...

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Denis's avatar

I have read about Putin's as well as some Kremlin officials' Zionist connections and their loyalties to Israel. Are you pretty sure about this? It would be quite telling.

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

As we all know, action speaks louder than words, and we can go back to 2012 and look at the Russian actions in Syria. And compare them to the Soviet actions in the region.

But it's not even just actions in this case, the words are concordant too, and very telling.

Who is it that constantly talks with great concern about the "two million Russian speakers in Israel" even though those two millions pretty much all viciously hate Russia? But never mentions the genocide in Gaza, and never speaks with similar concern about the actual Russians in Russia who are under constant and worsening NATO bombardment, let alone doing something to protect them?

Who has been making sure the elite on the other side of the war, most of them Jewish, has not been touched for four years now?

Who is surrounded by Jewish oligarchs, most of them openly bankrolling various Zionist causes?

In fact proportionally that problem is worse in Russia than in the West. And was even worse immediately after the USSR collapsed. It's not being talked about in the West because of how acute the problem is in the West itself, and also because of the desire to idealize Russia as a real alternative. But if you run the numbers, in the West you still have a strong core of WASP oligarchs, plus various people of East Asian and Indian descent, the Jewish ones are not a majority, even if they seem to own the place. In Russia they were a majority in the 1990s, and still are around half of the total.

I have mentioned it many times here, but let's do it again -- the SMO was quite likely actively sabotaged by Putin in very large part because of his allegiance to Israel. There are many other reasons having to do with the necessity of radical internal restructuring of Russian society if the war was to be decisively and completely won, which would hurt the current oligarch class. But Israel is a major reason too. Because what happens if there was a real Russian patriot in the Kremlin? I have described that too -- Europe is immediately gone, and Ukraine's rear no longer exists. However, Europe is not only Ukraine's rear, it is also Israel's rear...

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Denis's avatar

Thanks for doing it again. You have impressive insights.

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Ida's avatar

This is not a war, but a genocide by Jews! This was in the WEF plan. The white man must also perish! The same master pulls the strings in Iran as in China, Russia, the USA, Australia, all EU countries, etc.! The "war" is being waged against us, the inhabitants of the planet. The rest is just a pretense so that the world believes what they want it to believe...

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Denis's avatar

I have these same impressions, Ida. They continually bombard humanity with crisis after crisis, create division (immigration, gender identity, COVID, war, media, education, etc), never giving humanity a chance to gather their thoughts to figure out who the real culprits are hiding in the shadows.

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Ida's avatar

This is their goal! Because as long as people are afraid, they will believe anything! Then there comes a point when it is too late to do anything.

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

You misunderstand most of those situations.

COVID is a great example -- there was no evil plot there to steal your freedoms (that if done through other means and was mostly already done prior to COVID). The exact opposite thing happened -- the virus was and still is real and extremely dangeous, and it was the refusal to have everybody locked down hard for six months until eradication that destroyed people's freedom. That could have been done, at the end the world would have emerged with a workd free of dangerous pathogens and with a substantially weakened ruling class, which would have had to concede on the unacceptable for it precedents of paying the plebs not to work and doing difficult things on a very large scale for the common good. Which is why it was not done.

And an even bigger tragedy than the actual pandemic is the fact that very few people understood what actually happened.

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Ernest Judd's avatar

You misunderstand that perpetual gas lighting is a characteristic of "bots".

This gives it away:

"COVID is a great example -- there was no evil plot there to steal your freedoms (that if done through other means and was mostly already done prior to COVID). The exact opposite thing happened -- the virus was and still is real and extremely dangeous, and it was the refusal to have everybody locked down hard for six months until eradication that destroyed people's freedom."

I choose my information wisely:

https://denisrancourt.substack.com/p/there-was-no-pandemic

Nothing you have presented here in that gas lighting paragraph has any truth in it.

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Dhdh's avatar

the jew problem is the worlds problem . Uncle A proven right every day.

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Dhdh's avatar

are there any up and comers after Putin who understand the Jew problem,?

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Ida's avatar

Yes, they are fighting on the front! Or they are in prison!

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Hans Kloss's avatar

While some of your thoughts on the SMO are insightful I do not think Putin sabotaged anything. The fuck-ups do happen and he did not expect that the other side (NATO) will go nuts like this. The nuclear exchange is a major gamble. It may cause the other side to escalate and there is no stopping it then. Also the use of nukes in Ukraine is limited - it would have to be a strike like the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks i.e. massive loss of civilian lives. If that is something any leader takes lightly I am not sure. The USians do apparently but for the rest of them the just see it as necessity but only for the last strike back. It may change but I do not think this is going to happen in Ukraine. It is too late for that unless the green gnom does something stupid and extremely painful.

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

>I do not think Putin sabotaged anything.

Oh, yes, he did.

Why is a laundry list of targets still off-limits for strikes? It was a an more expansive list early on in the war? And those happen to be precisely the targets the destruction of which would have won the war decisively. Much easier in the first days than now.

We can go through the list in details, but we have done it many times in the past already.

We have two options:

1) The Russian military consists of nothing but complete imbeciles who have no idea what has to be struck and still have not figured it out after more than three years of constant discussions on that topic, including people with known very close ties to the military going as far as posting the exact coordinates of dozens of such objects on Telegram demanding strikes on them?

2) There was and still is a political veto, i.e. sabotage?

Which one is more likely?

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Yoni Reinón's avatar

the usual propaganda briefing...

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Putin has a "thing" for the Russians who live in Israel.

Not the same as having a thing for Israel.

Personally, I'd rather the Brooklyn Jews that went to Israel just stay there. If they didn't leave after a year of genocide, I'm not interested in having to wait for them to bring genocide to the USA.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

You can drop them any place on this planet and if there is nothing else around they will just kill the grass. They are homicidal maniacs and it is in their Neanderthal DNA.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Nuts

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GM's avatar

Also, why no comment on Trump's post about Russia?

That was quite a seismic event in terms of where this war is going.

Nothing so far in the last four years has better demonstrated the validity of the old principle that if you chose humilitation in an attempt to avoid war, you will get both the war and the humiliation.

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alx west's avatar

trump is mor1on

he wont find Ukraine on map w/out labels

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Feral Finster's avatar

Of course Trump is a moron, as well as an easily manipulated weakling cuck.

It doesn't matter, as long as his orders are still carried out.

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Luís Nunes's avatar

Was it a seismic event or just another TACO 🌮 to be itself reversed a week or a month later? I bet the latter.

Don't be distracted by the Trumpian laser pointer.

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AntonioB's avatar

Well what Trump says is irrelevant. Russian government knows very well that the Banderites were armed to the teeth and the Donbass fortified lines meant to further deploy into takeover of Donetsk and Lugansk, were consolidated under Trump. Hence the SMO.

Obama, Biden, Trump, etc, are frontmen puppets, someones are doing the strategy in the background, and adjust local tactics as per profiles of whose sitting in oval office at the moment.

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Christopher's avatar

Great comment. Lugansk is 100% liberated now, BTW.

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Hans Kloss's avatar

They are not puppets at least as long as they know where they know where they are and who do they speak to which two of hem surely still do. The problem with he system like state is that whatever the emperor/potus wants the commands must be understood and executed by somebody. The blob wants war as the military and specop teams are the way the know and value. Then there is congress - there is no way lindsay graham and the rest of them give up on the war. Neo cons hate Russia for other reasons that the Dems do. They all want the war to continue and they want to be wan no matter the cost. as long is only political and there are no bodybags flown home from afar all is good. They got the EU to pay for the war so it is even better. What is there not to like?

How a potus can tell the blob to stop the war? Do you remember Noriega thing? He was a US asset. They had to send the army to remove him eventually. Till then he was an asset for the CIA. Do you think the potus back then knew?

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Christopher's avatar

Tsk, tsk, you ought to know better than to fall into the trap of reacting to the latest nonsense emanating from Trump's mouth. Watch what he does, not what he says.

His rantings will be forgotten by Sunday and likely reversed by Monday.

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No1's avatar

S400 in Iran: It was my understanding that the Iranians got a kind of license and build their own domestic variant?

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alx west's avatar

easy to say. ain't gonna happen

++ what about rockets. they are lots of var. types of rockets for s-400

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R. Baker's avatar

That's my understanding too. Turkey's S-400's they got from Russia were on the Turkish side of Incerlik AFB. As part of the deal to get F-16 parts from the US, the always double dealing Turks let the Americans examine the Russian AD system, despite that violating the Russian contract.

The Iranians have a massive armaments industry and can easily manufacture the system.

All technology now freely flows between Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. All innovations also are immediately shared. They all have heavy industries.

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alx west's avatar

All technology now freely flows between Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. All innovations also are immediately shared. They all have heavy industries.

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well i would not so sure..

china . yes

n ,korea. possible

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iran.. there is still much distrust between countries

i judge size of economical ties. trade barely exist.

and have in mind it is 150 mil ppl in russia and 80 mil in iran, and common border.

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R. Baker's avatar

All bets are off now. Everything changed after the SMO kicked off. Now it's existential. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Iran is an enemy of the US, therefore a buxom friend of Russia. All the "trouble" Iran gives the United States diffuses US power, spreads it thin. It takes more heat off Russia.

The only thing the US respects is military might, therefore it's in Russia's best interest to arm Iran to the teeth. China is thinking the exact same way too.

It's no longer transactional when it's existential.

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Archie1954's avatar

Strange isn't it? The US actually strengthened Iran when it totalled Iraq and took it out of the equation. Any probems that the US is now having with Iran is a consequence of its constant meddling negatively with countries in the Middle East!

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

There is no common border between Iran and Russia.

The conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan is being used by the USA to interfere with the INSTC.

The West/East Zangezur Corridor across Armenia is being sold to Turkey as a way to expand its influence east across the Turkic nations to the border of China. It crosses the INSTC. The US is suppose to have a 99 year lease.

BRICS has a keen interest in the INSTC so the tensions between Russia and Iran are fading into the background just as the tensions between China and India are. BRICS recognizes the US moves.

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alx west's avatar

=is no common border between Iran and Russia.

BUDDY. border could by sea!!!.. it is called Caspian sea.

are you another mo11ron who never opened geo map and-or skipped

geo classes in 4 th grade?

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btw, mo1ron .. Russia esp built sea port in place Olya by Volga river for trading..

ps

and you know what is funny.

when i was kid during USSR times i spent vacation exactly in that place... my parents's friends lived there! fishing was superb.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

The border is the water?

You might as well start talking about borders in the atmosphere.

I find your use of "mo11ron" to be childish and stupid.

You know what, I have never said this before to anyone, over the internet.

Fuck Off.

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Hans Kloss's avatar

Iran and Russia have no common border other then Caspian Sea.

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

No, Iran got some S-300s a decade ago after Russia dragging its heels for another decade prior to that following the deal being signed (but Russia not delivering)

The Iranians naturally realized they cannot rely on such an unreliable, enormously compromised in terms of its relationship with Israel "ally", and developed their own long-range AD, the Bavar-373. However, when the real war came it turned out that there is a lot more to integrated air defense than having something that can shoot SAMs at a couple hundred kilometers range, and towards the end of it Israel started to have a pretty open run at key targets.

The problem is that for that very same reason it takes much more than transferring some S-400s and HQ-9s to build a proper integrated AD network, and there likely won't be enough time for that before the war resumes.

But it is still a positive sign, because Iran lost a lot of radars and TELs to Mossad agents destroying them from within Iran with FPV drones.

Also note that while Russian and Chinese air defense would certainly do much better against a serious US/Israel attack, if they just sit and take punches, they will be quickly degraded too.

The idea behind these systems when seriously deployed within the territory of the countries that developed them has always been that you minimize and absorb an initial blow, then the big guns come out blasting and annihilate whoever attacked you before there can be more attacks.

While for export they are mostly expensive toys that can do some serious damage to US/Israel/NATO but ultimately will be overwhelmed and taken out by repeated persistent attacks. And the same would happen to Russia/China too if that annihilating immediate response does not happen, just more slowly. We have been watching that process in action first in Crimea, and later in Rostov, Krasnodar, Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk too, since mid-2023 or so.

The rules of engagement of the 12-day war were such that it was still much more of that second scenario than the first, and if they remain the same for Round 2, the outcome will be the same, no matter what Russia and China send.

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alx west's avatar

=he outcome will be the same, no matter what Russia and China send.

well there is one thing that favors Iran !! size!!

Iiran is almost 3x bigger than Ukraine, in sq km.

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Kon's avatar

As i understand it Iran may have cloned S300s

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

A very different take on the 12-day war than anyone I know -- except for the NYT, of course.

Larry Johnson has a very detailed map of the damage Israel suffered during the 12-day war. Those who look at Johnson's map believe it was Israel that sought a cease-fire through Trump.

The claims of damage to Iran are somewhat mixed. The traitor attacks (drones from inside Iran) were initially very successful, but they could not be sustained. There are no reliable reports (that I'm aware of) of Israeli aircraft flying over Iran. Ritter is emphatic that if Israel took out even one Rocket launcher, that would be miraculous.

Seems weird we can have such different perspectives.

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alx west's avatar

= S-400 in iran

It wont matter as long as Israel run circles around Iran security apparatus inside Iran!!

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usa/nato/israel have Iran under constant surveillance from space.

various S-400 parts are gonna be set up in fixed spots in Iran cause radius of engagement is fixed and known as well direction of possible attacks by israel.

so Israel wont have any problem , AGAIN, to blow off S-400 receivers, antennas, etc

using agents-spies from inside.

and I am not even talking using military planes, stealth or not.

alx

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Mirandi says all the "traitors" have been caught and executed.

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Cj Gustafson's avatar

This all gives me flashbacks of 2019 when trump did a very similar buildup of force off of Venezuelas coast. I remember at that time John Bolton was part of his administration and did a brief interview with the press regarding Maduro. it was noted that on one of the files he was carrying had handwriting on it that said something like "5000 marines deployed". Back then the us navy even hijacked an Iranian oil tanker that was heading to Venezuela to help them out since they were having fuel shortages. It's crazy how this shit keeps repeating itself

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GM's avatar
Sep 24Edited

Trump V.2 has been the most aggressive and deranged government this planet has seen since a certain unsuccessful painter took power in a certain European country.

Keep that in mind. And there are still 40 more months of this to come...

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Haywood Jablome's avatar

The Austrian Painter couldn't hold a candle to the Spraytan Man's derangement.

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aDoozy's avatar

"Derangement" is correct.

Trump's seeks power. He uses bullying actions and words in attempts to conquer and pillage what he wants. In the eyes of rational and sane people, he is mentally ill.

His lust for more wealth--Venezuela's natural resource riches--drives him to terrorize the citizens of V with lurking vessels of war, rain blows on their economy and livelihood, and murder V boat occupants.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Power selects strongly for sociopathy.

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aDoozy's avatar

In my opinion, and from the information I learned in college (Abnormal Psychology was an absorbing class), Trump shows both signs of a narcissistic personality disorder and sociopathy--now called antisocial personality disorder.

Here is a good explanation of how the two disorders entertwine:

https://danandtina.net/antisocial-or-narcissist-how-traits-of-aspd-overlap-with-npd/

See how many Trump traits are listed. He may not always have been so glaring in his behaviors. Attribute this to a phrase that is often proved true:

The older you get, the more like yourself you become.

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R. Baker's avatar

For once, I agree.

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R. Baker's avatar

"it's Deja Vu all over again".

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

I don't find any reference to the US Navy in support of the coup attempt in April 2019

For those interested, here's a Wired summary of the 2018-2019 efforts. There was a NED campaign, a cyber campaign and the potential for special forces.

But... (I do wish I could format this to make it obvious its a quote)

"There was a lot of miscommunication and mistrust between critical players in the opposition and Maduro’s equivocating supporters. At the last minute, major Venezuelan officials backed off the ledge. Mass military desertions failed to materialize. The Venezuelan high court chickened out."

https://archive.md/YOJ5W

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Cj Gustafson's avatar

There was also the bay of piglets around that time where a mercenary group of former special forces guys tried to take a boat up to the coast of Venezuela to overthrow Maduro. They were shot to pieces by armed fisherman before they even landed. A few of them that were captured were Americans and they spent several years in Venezuelan prison before they were sent home. Trump claimed he had nothing to do with the operation but it was pretty obvious it was green lit by someone in the administration.

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Henter's avatar

It’s fascinating how pathetic Europeans have become.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Europeans like being slaves. They also are the biggest wimps on the planet, limp-wristed metrosexuals who make Liberace look like Mike Tyson by comparison.

However, europeans are very skilled at the arts of the courtier, at intrigues and whispering campaigns, at pageantry where they get to prance around like so many simpering fruits, at smirking flattery and groveling before senile monarchs.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

See the Hudson article I posted.

If anyone needs a better understanding of how the US perfectly "couped" Europe by sponsoring (or supporting) the formation of the EU, the fact that every one of the political leadership is a Anglo-American stooge.

We need to understand that this "inside sports" information is not at all limited to Europe. See Berletic's many "New Atlas" videos on how the NED operates. HIs last on on the coup in Nepal is like a blueprint for these operations having taken place over and over and over again around the world.

I absolutely reject Finster's characterization of "Europeans" -- unless he also applies those same labels to Americans. The subtle operations of the NED are practically undetectable. It doesn't help that the narrative always gets molded into the MSM telling us that "the people wanted this." Berletic's outstanding analysis of the Nepal coup utterly destroys that story.

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

The Disunited States having lost every war it has fought in the last 60 years in other parts of the world , their current Zionist cuck, Trumpenstein , thinks he may be able to win one by playing in the sandpit in his own backyard , while throwing tantrums and ballistic toys around.

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R. Baker's avatar

It's called "Strength through losing". If you define winning by Washington's definition, then it's not really losing.

To Washington, winning is how many deaths you can inflict to encourage the recipient to never cross you again. The casualties, regime changes, wiping out large segments of the population, leave behind fear. If they don't respect the US, Washington expects them to fear them.

Washington's definition of victory is the silence of a cemetery. Peace to Washington is the same thing. The old Roman Peace, the peaceful silence of a battlefield of dead people.

Trump knows this, that's why he's renaming the Defense Department, the Department of WAR.

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Oisin's avatar

Was it tacitus who said that Roman politics was to make a wasteland and call it empire?

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

DING, DING, DING, DING!

No need to control overtly, that just leads to the hoi polloi recognizing the real villain behind the horror of their lives.

How many people here know who the Anglo-American Oligarchy is?

Alex Krainer (mostly, but there are others) tell us it is centered in the "City of London". Guess which "Jewish Supremacist" family has the largest bank there.

Here's the problem folks -- money.

We learned when we were 3 years old that money was the way to get what you wanted. What most of us have never learned is that "MONEY IS NOT REAL!"

Let's not get into a debate about it being an "intangible reality". i (or the sq rt of -1) is an imaginary number. It is extremely useful, but it still isn't real.

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

To paraphrase Christine Keeler “well they would say that wouldn’t they”.

There is some truth in what you say, but really no one starts a war with the intention of loosing it.

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alx west's avatar

= iran

most amazing part that it is known fact Israel attacked from Azerbaijan direction over Caspian sea!

and yet, Iran did not do anything to retaliate to Azerbaijan over this!

i guess Russians had some words w/ Iran

weird stuff is going on !

alx

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

If hoodlums occupied your neighbors home, holding him hostage while they attacked you through the back yard, what would you do to retaliate against your neighbor?

I think I'd say, "I understand, can we work out something for the next time? If we can't, well best of luck to you."

But then I'm a pushover.

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Alan's avatar

I'm a bit disappointed not to find an AI translation of the POTUS speech to the UN in your latest Coverage. I will be looking forward to finding out if AI can doing it.

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Luís Nunes's avatar

One wonders if Trump's suddenly found faith in Ukraine's victory 🤣 isn't a cover for his New Venezuelan project...

As for Iran, it's good to see they're actually trying to use the time they're gaining with all the pointless negotiations, though it would be better if China took a more active and visible role.

It's past time for the Chinese to drop the "we oppose bloc politics" claptrap and take up the leadership of the sovereign powers that is the right of their wealth and power.

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Denis's avatar

China lets everybody else do the fighting while it continues to build. You can't trust it.

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Luís Nunes's avatar

The limit of that strategy is reached. The whole Empire of Lies is already doing as much economic warfare as they dare against China. No one expects her to send Chinese soldiers to be killed unnecessarilly, but it's time to show leadership. If not, you're right, unreliable and short sighted.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Duh -- ever heard of BRICS or the SCO or the CSTO or the New Silk Road?

Jeezus! WTF do you want them to do that won't result in nukes?

China and Russia are doing absolutely AMAZING things. They are slowly whittling away the support of the Anglo-American Oligarchy.

[Just in case it isn't clear, Russia tried for over a decade to not have a proxy war with NATO. Someone as smart as Simplicius should be able to write the history of how the Ukrainian SMO was very carefully engineered. Russia spent the time asking,"if this doesn't work,'what's next.'" If you think of it that way, ASTOUNDING! I nominate Putin for the Asimov "future history hero."]

In the "best of all worlds" the citizens of the USA would storm the citadels of Oligarch power and hang the assholes.

Right now, it seems the best bet is the French. They, at least, wear Yellow Vests.

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Luís Nunes's avatar

My point is, it seems to me that China being more involved in militarilly supporting Iran, Russia and maybe even Venezuela would make the risk of nukes flying smaller rather than greater by reducing ambiguity.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

I think you're missing the point here. The Anglo-American Oligarchy WANTS to start WWIII. They would be extremely happy if China were to take any actions, it would give the US a "reason" to use those Marine units deployed on the Islands in the strait of Malacca. It would cut Chinese shipping -- especially oil.

That's exactly what the Anglo-American Oligarchy did to Japan so they could start WWII.

As Gerald Calente says, (paraphrased) "When they're all out of ideas on how to extort money from the people, they take you to war"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtBI9MfppX4

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Feral Finster's avatar

Trust has nothing to do with it.

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Archie1954's avatar

"You can't trust it"? Are you saying that if China isn't blasting other nations back to the stone age, it can't be trusted, while nations like the US, which does blast other nations back to the stone age can be?

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Denis's avatar

Not at all, Archie. China could be more openly supportive. It could contribute 10-20 billion, weapons, materials, the way NATO countries support Ukraine. Why does Russia have to do all the heavy lifting unsupported?

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Sure... If you want WWIII to start. China didn't want Russia to start the SMO. Xi made a deal with Putin to not start until the Olympics were over. The Olympics ended 20 Feb, the SMO began 22 Feb.

China has sent weapons to Iran.

If you really want this war to come to an end, then try doing something about the people promoting it, the Anglo-American Oligarchy. The same ones pushing the genocide in Gaza. The same ones who want Venezuelan heavy oil for their refinery that was built to process that oil and isn't much good for lighter kinds of oil (Charles Koch). The same ones who just benefited from Trump's Tax cuts. The same ones who murdered Charlie Kirk (who I had never heard of but who is apparently admired by every body -- except Ritter who said something like, "I watch Charlie Kirk because it shows me how STUPID American college kids are."

You should know the scam by now, increase the US debt to astronomical proportions, have the Oligarchy buy up all the Treasuries. Tell Americans that taxes have to be raised and services cut to pay the interest to the Oligarchy. Neoserfdom for America. Why are you blaming China for YOUR failure to take appropriate actions?

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Feral Finster's avatar

There is no eleven dimensional chess here, no master strategy. Trump acts like a weak, stupid, easily manipulated ass, because he is a weak, stupid, easily manipulated ass.

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I suppose if you want nukes to fly, then China should take action.

After a lot of thinking about why the "Global South" (nearly everyone other than the USA so some aren't in the Southern hemisphere) don't act to control the Mad Man (the US), I remind myself that the only nation to use an A-bomb during a war was the USA.

Think about the plot of any Clint Eastwood movie you've ever watched. Eastwood is the hero of the film because he's the only one willing to commit the crimes necessary to destroy the oppressor. The emptiness of this "success" is well illustrated in his movie "Unforgiven". But he doesn't act until he has the right plan.

I would like to suggest we're at a point where the only overt counter to the USA is nukes. And we all know where that leads.

Just what is China to do? They don't buy soybeans from American Farmers. They don't export to the US the rare earths required to manufacture American bombs (and other stuff). They council the rest of the world that "we can all 'just get along' if we cooperate" through the deployment of the New Silk Road. I'd say, China is heroically doing all it can at this time.

To make my point even more concrete, I reject the crimes of the Anglo-American Oligarchy (which even Finkelstein says is "over represented by 'Jewish Supremacists'") and I'm hoping for a BRICS win even though it probably means I'll die in poverty.

Anyone recall the silly TV show "Star Trek" and the huge world wide war that had to be fought to get rid of -- well I don't think they named it, but I will -- the Anglo-American Oligarchy?

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Givenroom's avatar

Cabalcalyps now

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Henter's avatar

As if the US needed any more reason to be hated.

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R. Baker's avatar

Note to self:

If I go abroad, don't identify as American. I'll pretend to be Canadian.

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Haywood Jablome's avatar

Septics have been doing that for decades. Guess they ain't so tough when outside their homeland.

Just like these piece of shit Israeli's. https://x.com/jakeshieldsajj/status/1970364862640398414?s=12

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grr's avatar

I had a Canadian friend in Thailand circa 2002-03.

She used to call the Yanks out (scream abuse at them and shame them LOL) in public for putting the Canadian symbol on their backpacks.

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Moscow Mule's avatar

You can say or think whatever you like, but Trump seems dead serious about getting the Nobel Peace prize through strength. Respect for his determination. If I was sitting in Stockholm (and even more so in Oslo - thanks Mikey), I would be concerned.

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alx west's avatar

i guess you are joking!

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Denis's avatar

Well, if they gave Barack Obuttbanger a Nobel, giving one to Trump would seem in good measure. I call it the Nobel for dummies.

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Archie1954's avatar

The dummies are the Nobel prize committee who would stoop so low as to grant a Nobel to someone like Trump.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Peaceprice is decided in Norway.

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Jürgen Räche's avatar

Tell me another joke like that.

They're crawling up whose anus up to their belly button?

Norwegians are also currently clamoring to protect the ever-invincible USA.

They'd put a trump card in a tug-of-war to win him over.

The Nobel Prize is now as valuable and as corrupt as a roll of toilet paper...

And only one thing has been exposed to ridicule

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

At least a roll of toilet paper is useful

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