Israel didn't penetrate anything. They just confirmed sabotage teams were inside Iran just like in the assassination of Haniyeh in Tehran where they simply pre-rigged his apartment and blew it up. Your propaganda isn't working, clown.
"Mossad agents and commando teams are reported to have infiltrated Iran several weeks ago, installing precision-guided munitions near surface-to-air missile batteries and constructing explosive drones near cruise and ballistic missile launch sites, all of which were utilized at the start of last night’s air campaign against Iran. These covert attacks are believed to have crippled key defensive systems across Iran, while preventing them from launching an immediate retaliatory strike against Israel."
Because I had decided afterwards that the non-subscribed agent provocateur poster with a fake sock-puppet account had crossed the line by attacking me in his very first post here.
With all due respect Simplicius -- "[a] non-subscribed agent provocateur poster with a fake sock-puppet account had crossed the line by attacking me in his very first post here." Your comment is chilling. It's one step away from calling somebody a "conspiracy theorist."
I hear this kind of thing from Western fully owned, fully manipulated, fully controlled, fully propagandized mainstream media all the time.
The guy was just plain wrong. No need to delete the guy with either prejudice or even extreme prejudice.
From what I am getting from the reports coming in, I came back to reply to his comment and simply point out how Israel did what they did last time. Israel took their "200 aircraft," supported by a bunch of US tanker aircraft, and orbited just outside of Iran's borders, safely out of range of Iran's Russian supplied air defense systems. Israel then unloaded their ordinance from outside of Iran into Iran.
I doubt Mossad was completely responsible for these attacks. That would make World War III look like the movie "Kandahar (2023)."
That still reflects badly on Iranian security, which should have been of the utmost tightest near sensitive sites. But it is history now and they must catch up quickly.
Seems so Aurorus but how is it so easy for them, in Russias case there is a hidden agenda of business deals but in Iran's case what the deal for turning a blind eye it seems.
Israel is a hard target to penetrate. They have the country mostly walled-in, and the security checkpoints are everywhere. Just to stay at a hotel there, you need a voucher from Immigrations, and everyone in the country is vigilant in checking for documents, even hotel clerks. They tried to have a similar policy here under our previous government, and no one paid any attention to the government. Also, the visa system in Israel is not automatic (based on an interpol check and nothing more) like most countries. They run extensive background checks on every visa applicant, and they are able to do so in a very short time- one of the advantages, perhaps, of being in effective control of the Western intelligence apparatus. There is probably not a more locked-out nation in the world than Israel, except North Korea.
If they infiltrated Iran, they must have had Iranians helping out - no doubt the Marxists in the Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MeK), who Hussein housed in a military base. They prevented women and children in the group from leaving. The U.S. is now housing them in the ultra-corrupt state Albania.
They were always terrorists, murdering Iranian bureaucrats and police many decades ago, blowing up cars. They supported Iraq's invasion of Iran. Israel has used them to murder Iranian nuclear scientists and technicians.
Online they pose as ordinary Iranians, expressing support for the U.S. sanctions. Lots of sock puppet accounts. Members of the Washington regime can then retweet them, saying, "Look, here are Iranians writing in Farsi and agreeing with us!"
I know many Iranians here in Western Europe, and none of the women wear veils, that perennial topic that is used against Iran. It doesn't matter which side of Iran's politics any of them are on. None of them would ever support the communist MeK, or Israel. (The only ones who'd do that are the communists who fled the conservative revolution long ago, who are in separate social groups from the other Iranians.)
So what happened to the military arrangement between Russia and Iran? Worthless? Is Russia going to strongly condemn the attack and ask all sides to calm down?
"Iran’s leadership are incompetent. That statement will enrage some readers and commenters, but they have allowed their allies to be taken out one by one, they have not yet launched significant retaliation, and their current actions, sending a hundred drones to attack Israel, are pathetic. It is no favor to them to pretend their strategy is working: it is clearly failing."
Where the hell is Iran's air defense? The Israelis seem able to attack where and when they will, without taking any losses. Were the Iranians asleep? This attack was telegraphed over the last three days. 🤔
I keep hearing that Iran will unleash a "devastating" response. Well, where is it? 🙄
You have to give the Israelis credit, they obviously had this planned very well indeed. So far Iran has done nothing notable in response. Meanwhile, the Israelis continue their attacks all over the place.
The "negotiations" were obviously designed to lull Iran into thinking Israel would not attack until after talks were concluded, and that ruse worked very well. Trump was obviously in on it, and it's amazing that the Iranians seemed to fall for all of it.
Note also how Russia played along with the "negotiations" while the Ukrainians were busy executing their attack on Russia's nuclear bombers. See the similarity between that situation and the one with Iran? When will people learn that you can't negotiate with the empire? There's always some shady shit going on in the background that will be unleashed later while the "negotiations" are happening.
Which brings up a lot more questions. Ukraine can easily move around in Russia, as they look the same and speak the same language. But Israelis? Can the Israeli spys rent a garage somewhere in the industrial zone around Teharan, receive equipment via postal service and start assemble the drones?
There are always people willing to take money or have a history that gives way to blackmail them to take actions against their own country & people.
No society is free of fanatic opponents and Iran has a diaspora who has benefit from the Shah-regime or were part of it and gave the hatred and hostile mindset to their children.
You might give the correct answer. Iranian refugees here in Austria are very well educated (and integrated!). And this drone assembly can not be done by some non educated personel. Maybe the West could bribe some diaspora Persians to go into Iran and do the job, at least a realistic scenario. But why is the Iranian Police so inactive? They must know about this simple fact. Or is the education level of the refugees a tabu in Iran?
It's not like Israelis are blonds with blue eyes. Their physical characteristics are actually pretty close to Iranians - who aren't Arab by the way and I'd bet most Mossad and Special Forces types there speak Hebrew, Arabic and Farsi.
Afaik, there's a Western backed group called the MEK (mohammed e khalq ?) based in Albania that are dedicated to the overthrow of the current Iranian regime. I'm not sure they seek the restoration of the Pahlavis but they're certainly pro-Western.
Mixing up Israelis with Jews is wrong. Not all Israelis are Jews, not all Jews are Israelis. Jews are coming from all over the world, they do not have specific face\body\behavioral characteristics [as opposed to popular believes] and as far as I have heard, there are Jews between penguins as well. It's not so hard to find Jews originally from Iran who speak perfect Persian and are connected to their Iranian roots, and for a sake of the future of Iran I also hope that Iranian people are keen on breaking the chackles of Mullahs, even if that means dealing with Zionist Scum... So, no, it was not a local Israeli Haim from Tel Aviv strolling through Teheran's neighborhood with yarmulke and huge star on his chest bribing with dirty dollars naive innocents
Considering how vital Iran has been to Russia during the SMO, a double-cross seems unfathomable. Iran got Russia into the realm of drone warfare when Russia had virtually no competence in the area.
On the other hand, the 2019 RAND policy report "Extending Russia-Competing from Advantageous Ground" explains the merits of forcing Russia's hand into an SMO. Such an operation ties down Russia's latitude to operate in the Middle East.
This is one reason, however, for Russia to go "all in" and end the SMO with decapitation strikes against the Kiev Regime, crash the grid and fossil fuel supplies to the front. Launch troops from Belarus as well to take Kiev.
Remember that Russian elites broke up their own country in the late 1980s in order to be able to loot it and hand over much of the real wealth to the West.
It is still largely the same people in power there.
It was also Putin who played the good cop to the US/Israeli bad cop while destroying Syria.
So yeah, not out of the question at all.
But if Iran goes down, Russia is done for as that whole southern axis becomes wide open
Longer term China too
Thus this is the moment when both should go in directly.
Or deal with their own direct threats and help Iran that way.
Now is the time for a Russian strike on Europe combined with a Chinese one on the Far East. But they don't have it in them, while their enemies do...
A little over the top, GM. But I agree that Liberal ZioCon governments in Israel and the US all count on Russian/Chinese backing down unless pushed to the Existential Brink. It's not a Kissingerian "Mad Man" theory; it's "mad Man" practice. And it works.
Yes. Russia should have wrapped up it's half war a year or two ago but for some inexplicable reason they keep fighting a conflict with one hand tied behind their back, and meanwhile their allies get btfo one by one. Amazing.
With respect Bill, they do have a big patch of Coastal land to offer upon which to construct an Oil/Gas refinery, pipeline terminal and export hub to complete the development of the substantial off-shore hydrocarbon deposits. Admittedly, the land is currently occupied by its rightful Owners but they're working on that.
I also believe that this maybe part of another agenda, and that Iran has participated in this theater play to pull the wool over our eyes. I do not believe that the Shitraheli planes could sneak past Iranian air defenses, nor that Russia's satellites did not pick up the take off of those planes,nor that Russia did not rang the bell in Tehran.
Now there's a possibility. It appears there's a lot of these Apps (HAARP and others) being deployed globally. It's being picked up by observers and monitors of Space Weather in the form of Auroras and Electron bursts, but, so they say, it's not all coming from the Sun.
It appears more and more the supposed enemy parties all negotiate secretly for the betterment of an unknown party and national affiliation plays no role only business connections or class membership.
Why not? Someone wrote a few years ago that many in the Iranian government are crypt-Jews, incl. the supreme leader. I did not buy into it then, nor do I now but I must admit I feel less sure about my stance. In any case, it could explain Iran's extreme tolerance of Shitrahel's incessant attacks in all shapes and forms, incl. extrajudicial murders of Iranian nuclear scientists.
Sadly, the only hope for, avoiding WWIII is the end of the state of Israel as currently constituted. It is a rogue state. Instant EU imposition of BDO minimum response. US is inviting 9/11 part 2. Reps need dump that fool Trump now. Empower Rubio on foreign policy, JDV is no total rollover for Israel, beyond ritual statements.
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G'day Andy, reports coming in of drones enroute to Isreal but I am definitely of the same opinion as you but hopefully we are both off the mark somewhat!
They had decades to prepare for this and several days of immediate warning.
Missiles should have been on hair-trigger launch-on-warning alert, with targets locked and loaded, and flying back the moment the Israeli planes took off.
But it's been hours since the attack and no response yet.
And the military command got caught with its pants down and were all killed.
How is that possible and WTF is going on here?
How does the whole military command get caught literally sleeping in their homes in an attack that clearly started at least an hour before the missile impacts, or it gets caught all together in some facility that is not securely deep underground?
Also, there were very few air defense engagements.
Which is extremely concerning.
For others too, especially Russia.
If Iran can be cleanly decapitated like that, well...
Use it to lose it remains the all-important principle.
And in the age of missiles one cannot wait to absorb the first blow.
They should have hit Israel first to disable the air force. They would still be alive had they done that.
Similarly, it is an absolute must for Russia to physically neutralize NATO in Europe. Yesterday, not today, not tomorrow. Or this will happen to them too...
Consider the possibility that since everyone knew what was coming and Israel couldn't be threatened that it would have to fend for itself, that therefore what we're seeing from the regional powerbrokers is calculated. I mean, maybe Israel and Iran are going to learn that without the US and Russia neither can be winners.
It's only the low-IQ guys babbling nonsense on Internet who don't realize that Russia doesn't consider Tu-95's as any significant part of its strategic nuclear deterrent. Doh.
Why would the Iranians react immediately? Without a Iranian response air raid sirens are going off in Tel Aviv. Pampered comfortable Israelis now need to pack into uncomfortable air raid shelters possibly nightly as of now. It's not easy when you become accustomed to luxurious living to just adjust to surviving in tight spaces with strangers. If the Iranians are smart they would let them stew for a while let the tempers rise,the anxiety, the frustration then when it ripens strike and let the chaos ensue. The true test are the follow on strikes and how successful they will be. As it's very easy to have surprise attacks not so easy when you are expected. Every successful Israeli strike is a bug that is fixed and a loop whole closed, the Iranians just need to play the western game and adapt the western strategies but with planning less emotions and calculation. In the end Iran is the victim being faced by an illegal, unprovoked act of aggression from a rogue state. What better narrative to have?
Did you miss the missile strikes hitting Israel? Or probably because Iran did not target civilians you consider it a failure. Though this time the Iranians do need to send a more serious message.
Iran did not target civilians during true promise one and true promise two. Thos attack which is basically a declaration of war on the Iranian state will have less restraints FAFO.
It turns out that Zelensky's operation Web was nothing more than a flashy publicity stunt by announcing that they took out 41 Russian planes, which sent the media into a frenzy about Russia taking significant losses from the drone attack. That unconfirmed news caused a stir among members here, For all the sensationalizing of Operation Web, it only took out about 5 obsolete, unused planes for an operation that took them 18 months to plan. lol
Operation Web was a complete failure because it focused on a worthless target to begin with; it should have been focused on the steady retreat and losses of its forces along its front lines. Such is the delusional thinking that comes with having kilos of snorting consistently big lines of coke while being under prolonged pressure. The delusion is manifested by the creation of a false, pleasing reality that doesn't hold against the fact that it has lost the war, as the Russians keep closing in. Call it the Russian bear hug, where it just slowly keeps squeezing you till your eyes pop out. Not the best time to be an AFU soldier, I suspect.
Simplicius summed it up quite well, June 1,
"I suppose it’s easy for the manic ‘high’ phase to over-compensate after such a painfully long period of dismal disappointment, but I regret to inform them that today’s strikes will change nothing, apart from deepening the nails into the soggy wood of Ukraine’s coffin."
Sure, but presumably you are here to contribute to the conversation or am I wrong? Are you here to throw us a red herring? herrings only taste nice if they are not red and fresh off the hook.
Iran has no nuclear warheads, but *can* paste Israel with highly-enriched 'dirty bombs' aboard hypersonic missiles. The fallout patterns could render great swathes of Israel and select point targets uninhabitable.
Really? This dirty bomb is more to scare Germans, who think the invisible radiactive waves do all sort of damage. Make yourself a simple calculation, take 1kg of highly enriched uranium and disperse is over 1square kilometer. Will you really find humans receiving more than 1sv? Of course, take much more and disperse it in a town, maybe 100m2, then you will see "good" results.
Gosh, we could have had an answer to that question but . . .
The iraqi hospital that was researching birth defects on babies from depleted uranium exposure was completely blown to smithereens by the US military because 'terrorist' in the basement.
Depleted uranium is the opposite of a "dirty" bomb. Sorry, wrong conspiracy theory. Are you from Germany? And now back to reality. We are talking about radiation, not chemical exposure. If a depleted uranium warhead would pose any radiation problem to the people nearby, the US Army (and others) would never ever seat the crew right beside the ammunition tray. Because the radiation level for the crew that trains, fights, lives, and sleeps in their tanks would kill all of them if a civilian who maybe is exposed for minutes shows any reaction. Of course, there is a health issue with heavy metals, but this has nothing to do with a "dirty" bomb, this is a normal chemical weapon.
Lol, the US doesn't care about its soldiers at all. They poisoned thousands of them with agent orange in Vietnam, gave thousands cancer and caused birth defects from the burn pits during the Gulf war, hell if you get hearing loss during service the government will fight you tooth and nail to avoid giving you health benefits.
Highly enriched uranium is not an effective radiological weapon.
HEU is fuel for a fission weapon, spreading it as an attack would be pointless- You can handle HEU with no more than gloves, you just can't eat it or breath the dust. Radiological weapon materials can't be handled outside of a hot cell, they are mostly fission wastes or deliberately bred short half life isotopes which produce penetrating radiation such as high energy gamma.
Also, you don't shit where you eat, Israel's near neighbors won't be using radiological weapons at all, radioactive dusts go where the weather takes them once released. "Dirty bombs" are (mostly) useless militarily or the major powers would stock and use them, just as with nerve gasses. Both US and USSR experimented with these and found them ineffective tactically and undesirable/ineffective strategically.
Well, yes. But not useless. Drop a dirty bomb in NY city and see what OSHA does, what EPA does. What happens to the banks when billions of dollars of collateral, both residential and commercial, turns useless for the next 15 to 20 years?
Would targeted applications of dirty bombs in key military industrial areas change the war effort? Would multiple strikes on civilians centers create such civil, production and economic disruptions as to change the course of the war?
One of the reasons major powers forgo the use of modern, really low LD50 chemical weapons is the inability to have your troops occupy the area you just used them in. An area denial weapon with a duration of several decades to centuries is even worse.
Sure, you could ruin NYC (even worse than it already is), assuming you and your buddies never want to go there. How many Russian oligarchs had their own NYC penthouse apartments?
You might be able to render the general area of present day Israel uninhabitable by EVERYONE for the next 7 half lives of whatever isotope you used, however that was never the desire of any of our various abrahamic religious fanatics, they all just want access/ownership for themselves. (On a bad day, that actually starts to look like a "best of all the bad choices" kind of solution to me?)
Having a bit of experience in this area, having guys with moon suits on cleaning up dust particles over an area of 250 square miles (NYC metro)...ugh. We'd do it, but the cost would be astronomical. It would take forever. 10 years from now you'd have a checkpoint to see progress.
Someplace like Israel? it would be impossible to contaminate it without contaminating the neighbor countries. It is true that the wind environment around Israel tends to keep things bottled up in the general area, but it wouldn't be good enough. Also, I can hardly imagine someone going across Jordan and the Sinai with a dosimeter finding all the crap and putting it in containers.
As for the result - lots of cancers and ill-health. It sounds weak sauce until you experience it.
They know that if that is the response, Tehran and several other cities will definitely be nuked. Israel is in no way afraid to use nukes and the Iranians know this. I would not even put it past Israel to spray chem weapons all over Iran in a war of extermination.
As much as I would like Iran to declare war and take actions to crash the global economy I fear they will do nothing and act like the defeated dog they are now.
I would love to be proved wrong but hoping Russia grows balls for a decade now I have lost hope that the axis of resistance is nothing more than some axis of masturbation.
"...I would like Iran to declare war and take actions to crash the global economy..."
I do not understand how someone, who [IMO, sorry if mistaken] lives nice, pampered life in some western country, would hope that destroying global economy is any good. What I've seen in my ExYU/Serbia during the civil war and total dissolution of old country was that poor got very much poorer, rich got richer, some from "poor pool" discovered they are crafty enough to make a quick million [or 50] by smuggling petrol and cigarettes and "liberating" popular cars and other movable valuables from war stricken areas... Big revolution did not happen, dozens of thousands got killed, hundreds of thousands dispersed with a rucksack if lucky, whoever entered EU got screwed, who left out of EU got screwed, only local and world elite got richer and stronger... As much as I am aware of the global economy SHlT, please, expand...
"Iran ... *can* paste Israel with highly-enriched 'dirty bombs' aboard hypersonic missiles. The fallout patterns could render great swathes of Israel and select point targets uninhabitable."
You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.
are they going to take them into some saudi embassy in istanbul and chop off some fingers?? talk is cheap and seems to only operate in one direction with these freaks..
They may even have done what you proffered no matter what is publicly stated but we won't know for years to come their real position except that the Nationalist position is not paramount to The Kremlin and oligarchical supporters.
..."nascent technologies have created parity between Israel and its foes, where groups like Hamas and Hezbollah can use cheap but highly technologically effective weapons to deal accurate, disabling damage to Israel’s most critical and sensitive infrastructure. "
maybe so, but the pager event from the past year highlight israels technological superiority, along with their ability to knock off 3 or more important military leaders and nuclear scientists...i'd say iran has some catching up to do..
Pagers with explosives that mostly maim civilians are not technology - any nation on earth could do that. But Israel has a unique willingness for evil, and will one day find out, when the US dollar collapses, why it's stupid to be friendless.
That's it so. We have finally reached the point of no return. 'Noticing' as you brilliantly put it has led to the inevitable showdown. Iran and Israel seem to be the pawns sacrificed for multipolarity. Could it have been any other way?
Will it spread to a global war is questionable, it all depends on the Pentagon really. Hopefully cool heads will prevail stateside.
Iran has to respond. If they don't that will signal weakness will lead Israel and the U.S to bomb them at will. If you're going to go down, go down in a blaze of glory. I can't see the Iranian population accepting a weak response.
Perhaps Israel did a pager exercise on Iran's air defense. I'm amazed at the lack of interceptions. I don't think I saw air defense in action at all.
Maybe they are incredibly incompetent, but the distance from launch to target should have given sufficient warning to put up a better showing. I would have thought that their air force or long range air defense would take the fight into Iraqi air space.
Even more worrying is that high command was killed.
This was a telegraphed attack and it started at least an hour before they got hit. They had enough time to wake up and move to a secure place and/or disperse and become untraceable. And yet...
Notice how none of the Houthi leaders has been killed after years of bombing. It's not like it is some kind of a secret how to avoid that.
Could it be that Iran leaders and scientists were killed 'in person', and not by missiles? I mean--planted explosives or some such that were detonated during the first attack wave?
The Houthi leaders must go to inside-mountain command posts.
Yes, I am wondering why leaders in Iran weren't deep underground or inside a mountain.
A full day has passed, and more details have surfaced. There has been much commentary and analysis. It was a full day of reading, listening, and typing comments of my own.
About the leaders and scientists that are reported killed~I read that one important man was ill, and so was above ground being cared for in his apartment. He was murdered by a precision strike. I read that missiles were launched from places in Iraq--those were the precision-strikers. I do not recall the source, and since I heard that Israel also used drones, perhaps a drone killed the sick man in his own home.
GM, more than one source said that the negotiations with the US had lulled Iran into a sort of 'relaxed state'. Hence, important leaders and scientists were asleep above ground.
I am baffled by technology that can pinpoint a person's exact location at a given time! Do drones have AI eyes?
Why the F would the damn generals and lead scientists be home in a residential neighborhood in the first place? Are these Iranians really this dumb? It's hard to believe, really.
it was a military apartment building - I think the bottom line is as Simplicius said a year ago - Iranian leadership is Geriactric and so they were peaceful and subdued when they should have been wide awake and prepared.
Good observation that the Israelis deliberately specified that the operation was launched under cover of political and 'diplomatic' deception. But that doesn't mean necessarily the US participated in the deception. It could be -- and almost certainly is -- that the Israelis are trying to implicate the US to get Iran to target American forces, blow the Middle East powder keg, and meanwhile take cover behind the US. It's not going to work. Sadly, again Shylock has chosen a pound of flesh. The Great Port is going to have its will be done.
Didn't Trump pretend he wanted to continue negotiating hours before the attack he knew was coming? To further rub it in, Rubio just asked Iran to come to the negotiating table after the attack. And Trump previously set a 60 day deadline for Iran to do a deal and that was up yesterday.
It doesn’t matter. Everyone now knows Trump can’t be trusted. There will be no negotiated settlement in Ukraine after this, and Iran vs Israel will end in capitulation, not agreement.
Bibi has always put his own career. and freedom from corruption charges. ahead of Israel's wellbeing....apart from showy assassinations of senior leaders, I doubt that this attack accomplished anything except to demonstrate comclusively that Israel is a terrorist state....
Yes, but looking at how the US is behaving under Trump it seems that the policy of selective freedom of speech is a bipartisan policy that leads to room 101.
Well, calling for the assassination/killing of people just isn't going to fly anywhere and is usually the work of agent provocateurs who seek to shut down a given site/venue.
Yes, that’s true too. But more broadly it’s about the failing western narrative management that over the past three years has become increasingly unhinged. Where objective discussion was once tolerated is now entering the phase of total shutdown as the conflicts widen and exceed the resources to respond.
Once again, I see internet addicts chomping at the bit for some immediate response.
But this is bigger than just Iran and Israel, or even the USA and Israel. At some point, there's going to be a tipover where the global community no longer thinks of the general "West" as the good guys. At some point, the nations of the world are going to say the hell with the UN and the IAEA and the IMF and all the rest of the multilateral institutions, including all those insurance and metal and oil trading markets in London. And when that happens, byebye fiscal and political dominance.
Forget about Iranian missiles for a minute and ask - when are China and Turkey going to stop selling goods to Israel? That happens and Israel vaporizes overnight purely from economic reasons. And how many phone calls are going on right now between Tehran and Moscow and Moscow and Beijing? A lot is my guess. Same across the Arab world. The blowback from this is going to be a lot bigger than the number of dead bodies.
If the global community (outside of the West) ever thought of the West as the good guys (and that's a big if, because I've never seen any evidence of it in my 50 years of life), then it ended a looooong time ago. It's more a question of the citizen's of the west realizing that everyone else hates us, and with good reason, and that we are not in fact the good guys. And that seems to be well on the way to happening, thank christ.
"The blowback from this is going to be a lot bigger than the number of dead bodies."
Well said. I strongly agree, although I'd respectfully amend that to "the number of dead bodies from the current strike and the immediate response." That's because the blowback from this in the future will be millions dead in Israel and possibly in other countries too.
Israel's attack on Iran, deliberately seeking to destroy Iran's military capabilities to defend itself or do engage in significant war, all while deliberately trying to kill Iran's leaders, is not just a declaration of open war by Israel on Iran, it's proof that Israel is willing to use its nuclear arsenal to impose Israeli hegemony on other countries. Without Israel's nuclear sword ready to execute any opponent who fights back, Iran would and should launch unlimited war against Israel in reprisal for such an attack.
The only lesson any other country can take from Israel's attack on Iran is if you don't have a nuclear deterrent, you have no sovereignty or safety from Israeli attacks. It is a more extreme form of the lesson countries like North Korea have learned about the US.
As a matter of literally existential priority you must spare no effort in acquiring a nuclear arsenal sufficient to ride out an Israeli first strike and to be able to utterly annihilate Israel in retaliation, or you must acquire an arsenal that can annihilate Israel with your own first strike if you cannot achieve the ability to ride out an Israeli nuclear first strike.
The Israeli attack guarantees that Iran will build out a nuclear arsenal, if it does not already have one. Iran cannot spare any effort to build that arsenal, and they will endure any humiliation to buy the time to do so.
I think given the existential stakes involved, it is only a matter of time before an Islamic nuclear power detonates nuclear explosives in Israel.
The regime in Israel seems to be so confident that they believe if they cannot eliminate nuclear threats with actions like this, by being sufficiently vicious they can convince new nuclear powers, like Iran, that Mutual Assured Destruction will follow if any new nuclear power uses nukes against Israel in a first strike. They have a point, as anybody who considers a first strike on Israel has to consider that Israel may already have smuggled nukes into Tehran and other Iranian cities.
But sooner or later there will come a day when Israel's enemies will have nuclear arms and they will be willing to be martyred to rid the Islamic world of such a vicious enemy. On that day, Israel will cease to exist. That's what this Israeli attack, along with all the other viciousness that came before, like the brutal genocide in Palestine, will guarantee.
The worst outcome is to bring nuclear weapons to be used again since the USA did it as sole country on earth so far.
There are always other means to bring Israel down and prevent them from using their Nukes. I bet those means are currently discussed between the countries that see the danger and implications from what Israel (with help from the US) has done now.
The problem with Israel is that they have a Masada complex and are willing to take everybody with them in response to an existential attack.
If other countries try to employ "other means to bring Israel down," the Israelis aren't just going to sit idly and let themselves be "brought down." They'll lash out with extreme viciousness at their tormentors.
Keep in mind this is the same country that in 1967 attacked a US ship, the USS Liberty, killing 34 US crew members and wounding 171.
Israel compensates for its small population by being extremely vicious. That's a successful strategy but it does compel Israel's enemies to make sure that when they strike they strike to kill, and that means nukes.
Sorry but that's what we are made to believe, Israel controls nothing, Israel is a proxy and so the US have many people believe; oh but we are the good ones, look at the crazy Israelis!
It's all written down and executed just as the playbook said.
Act like you make a deal with Iran, a deal Iran can't refuse and if they refuse send the mad dog Israel to do the job, in that case Israel will absorb the anger and eventual blows from the angry public and the USA can claim to be innocent.
"Which path to Persia" written in 2009 and free access to it on the Internet.
And as written down there, the public is acting exactly as predicted - believing Trump is negotiating and Israel is the crazy nation that rules the USA and Trump really does not like Nethanahyo (or whatever that criminal is calling himself) - all crap and still, people lapping up that crap and thinking they know it all.
Back in my time we used to say: read the fucking manual!
Israel is an assurance of nuclear war in our future. I hope i'm dead before it happens, but that doesn't seem very likely now when I probably have 20y to checkout.
And that all plays into the hands of the warmongers. They win either way - if Iran backs down they win. If Iran crosses the threshold they were right all along and they win. A truly evil enemy will burn their own country to the ground in order to lord over the ashes.
Iran is a rogue state that has publicly called for the destruction of Israel many times over. Their leaders are insane radical religious nuts that want their people to live in the 8th century . They are a terrorist state so how could you support them?
"Iran is a rogue state that has publicly called for the destruction of Israel many times over."
In point of fact, Israel is a rogue state (literally stealing its initial weapons grade material and detailed nuclear weapons design information from the US to kickstart its nuclear arsenal) that has publicly called for the destruction of Iran many times over. Where have you been for the last few decades not to know that?
"Their leaders are insane radical religious nuts that want their people to live in the 8th century" That's a lie about Iran, but you'd be closer to telling the truth if were to say that about the current, hardline, extreme far-right Israeli government, so long as you amended that to say they wanted their people to live in the 8th century BC.
In reality, Iran is on the more moderate side of the Islamic spectrum when it comes to how Islamic countries structure their societies. In many of the Gulf monarchies, for example, it is very common to see women in Burkas, completely covered up, and in Saudi Arabia women are far more restricted in what they can do than in Iran.
Iran is not remotely an 8th century society. They're very modern. If you weren't a clueless imbecile with no experience of Islamic countries you'd know that. That's actually one of the points of friction between Iran and the far more conservative Islamic countries.
As for being a "terrorist state", that description applies to Israel these days but not to Iran. Israel has chosen to use extremely terroristic methods routinely in getting their way. For example, they exploded thousands of pagers in civilian hands, a gruesome act of terrorism that killed many children and innocent people. The Israelis have murdered tens of thousands of civilian women and children in Gaza and are using starvation as a tool of war.
What I will say is that both countries are democracies where their government seem to genuinely reflect the views of the great majority of their people.
Most Israelis seem to think that the way to deal with their Palestinian problem is to simply expel all Palestinians from their (the Palestinians') homeland or, if they won't leave, to kill them all. Likewise, most Israelis don't have a problem with killing Lebanese or Syrians or anybody else to expand the territory they control. They also don't give a hoot about honoring their past deals, as can be seen by how Israeli "settlers" violate whatever laws they want in their terrorist ethnic cleansing actions against Palestinians and Arabs who have lived on that land for two thousand years. And they justify that with religious fervor (which, it must be said, is sincerely felt) based on their view of what their ancient religion authorizes them, and even compels them, to do.
The Iranians also back their government, and they also back those people, mostly fellow Muslims, the Israelis are slaughtering.
The question is, how can you support such vicious war criminals as the hard right Israeli government?
@Sam Ursu The West are not the good guys in general, especially the evil NATO alliances.
But Iran and Communist China are by no means the good guys and victims, they’ll remain so for another thousand years due to the ideological foundations of Islam and Marx-Lenin Communism, respectively.
Israel is not a nation of saints (no nation is), but what Israel is doing is a reaction to the maniacal threats from Islamists led by Iran. It’s a pity for the author to call Israel a rogue state. If that is acceptable, then what states are Iran, Communist China and NATO?
@Frank Sailor If you don’t know what is wrong with being Communists or Islamists, you have zero clue about anything. In fact, any thoughts coming from you is potentially ignorant and dangerous.
Have you learned anything in history regarding the brutalities and tyrannical control of the societies by Islam and Communism? Apparently you have learned zilch. Since you ask the rhetorical question of what I know about Islam, let me give you an answer NO MUSLIMS CAN DENY: As a male follower of “Prophet” Mohammad, you must endorse and promote what Muhammad taught and did in the book of Hadith. So it glorious for you to rape young girls and slaughter infidels. Don’t go crazy if you learn it today for the first time. Go ask any Islam teachers about what I said above about Islamists and Hadith, then let us know what you are told. Do you want to live in a land governed by the Sharia law? I bet you can’t wait. 🤣🤣🤣
If you are a Caucasian (from your name), then you have proved yourself to be a shameless and useless imbecile for defending “by default” Islam and Communism. What’s wrong with you and your family education? Did your parents teach you anything at all? It’s clear you are no better, or even worse, than criminal Joe Biden.
Maybe I did not make it clear enough: the problems of Iran and Communist China are Islam and Marx-Lenin-Maoism. In my opinion I clearly state the ideological divide among the people. For Zoroastrians in Persia, they are good, and they are the victims. Likewise for any Chinese who refuse to buy into the outrageous, evil lies of Communism.
Precisely! And because they seem to making “Sampson Option” type moves that indicates that they know this changing of the guard is going to happen eventually and if they trigger it they dream of having more control over its outcome….
Game, set,.... (match?) to Israel? Perhaps. Consider that the Ayotollah may have lifted the fatwa? If nuclear weapons are no longer haram, then nuclear armed missiles may be ready in a matter of days, or could even be already complete? Perhaps this is the reason for the delayed response? I have read and heard that in order to destroy the Iranian nuclear reactors and missile programme, Bunker busters and nuclear weapons must be able to pentrate 800 metres, which they cannot.
This may work out to be a decisive win for Israel, or it may be the worst mistake imaginable. Time will tell.
Mikey, are you indicating that the bunker buster bombs do not have to reach a depth of 800 metres to destroy the nuclear reactors? As I understand it, these facilities / complexes are located at around 1/2 mile underground - essentially buried within a mountain - making it virtually impossible to penetrate. Even if possible, the number of bombs needed would require a larger number of bombers than the US / Israel possesses? I don't know this myself, just going on information I've heard...
G'day Aki, this is what is being written but what is true and what is not, altmedia has no truth in totality and has many biases exposed or hidden. Read between all lines.
Yes. They dont need to go 500 or 800 meters down. I doubt they are at those depths - so much disinformation around.
If you look at those facilities the common denominator is tunnelshafts clearly shielded from the most obvious attacks but neverthless open to direct hits.
Hopefully the ayatollahs have also watched Top Gun - Maverick, and added some cage type of structure over the air vents to protect them.... At the same time, if all the top guys were sleeping in their beds while the US were withdrawing their embassy staff from the region, maybe the Iranians also failed to focus on improving the security of their nuclear sites.
PS Dear Simplicius, please do not crucify me for my lack of military knowledge - the recommendation to put a cage over air vents as protection is just an allegory of the eternal race between swords and shields, if I may use this image.
Israel didn't penetrate anything. They just confirmed sabotage teams were inside Iran just like in the assassination of Haniyeh in Tehran where they simply pre-rigged his apartment and blew it up. Your propaganda isn't working, clown.
"Mossad agents and commando teams are reported to have infiltrated Iran several weeks ago, installing precision-guided munitions near surface-to-air missile batteries and constructing explosive drones near cruise and ballistic missile launch sites, all of which were utilized at the start of last night’s air campaign against Iran. These covert attacks are believed to have crippled key defensive systems across Iran, while preventing them from launching an immediate retaliatory strike against Israel."
StT: why respond to a post if you are censoring it?
Because I had decided afterwards that the non-subscribed agent provocateur poster with a fake sock-puppet account had crossed the line by attacking me in his very first post here.
My man: if the comment had no merit whatsoever, then it makes no sense to reply.
Anyway, your report is filled with the usual bounty of insightful nuggets. That's why I remain a faithful, paid subscriber.
This is his show, he can do whatever the f*** he wants. Go somewhere else to get your 'nuggets' or shut it.
Spoken like a someone with a lifetime subscription the "The New York Times" and "The Washington Post."
👎. Bad form by you.
With all due respect Simplicius -- "[a] non-subscribed agent provocateur poster with a fake sock-puppet account had crossed the line by attacking me in his very first post here." Your comment is chilling. It's one step away from calling somebody a "conspiracy theorist."
I hear this kind of thing from Western fully owned, fully manipulated, fully controlled, fully propagandized mainstream media all the time.
The guy was just plain wrong. No need to delete the guy with either prejudice or even extreme prejudice.
From what I am getting from the reports coming in, I came back to reply to his comment and simply point out how Israel did what they did last time. Israel took their "200 aircraft," supported by a bunch of US tanker aircraft, and orbited just outside of Iran's borders, safely out of range of Iran's Russian supplied air defense systems. Israel then unloaded their ordinance from outside of Iran into Iran.
I doubt Mossad was completely responsible for these attacks. That would make World War III look like the movie "Kandahar (2023)."
IMHO.
That still reflects badly on Iranian security, which should have been of the utmost tightest near sensitive sites. But it is history now and they must catch up quickly.
So, in other words, the exact same tactic that Ukraine used against Russia recently.
Seems so Aurorus but how is it so easy for them, in Russias case there is a hidden agenda of business deals but in Iran's case what the deal for turning a blind eye it seems.
Israel is a hard target to penetrate. They have the country mostly walled-in, and the security checkpoints are everywhere. Just to stay at a hotel there, you need a voucher from Immigrations, and everyone in the country is vigilant in checking for documents, even hotel clerks. They tried to have a similar policy here under our previous government, and no one paid any attention to the government. Also, the visa system in Israel is not automatic (based on an interpol check and nothing more) like most countries. They run extensive background checks on every visa applicant, and they are able to do so in a very short time- one of the advantages, perhaps, of being in effective control of the Western intelligence apparatus. There is probably not a more locked-out nation in the world than Israel, except North Korea.
Obviously know they are hated by many and can only get worse for them.
Even in "their own" "new" country they can not shake off the Ghetto system of thinking...
If they infiltrated Iran, they must have had Iranians helping out - no doubt the Marxists in the Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MeK), who Hussein housed in a military base. They prevented women and children in the group from leaving. The U.S. is now housing them in the ultra-corrupt state Albania.
They were always terrorists, murdering Iranian bureaucrats and police many decades ago, blowing up cars. They supported Iraq's invasion of Iran. Israel has used them to murder Iranian nuclear scientists and technicians.
Online they pose as ordinary Iranians, expressing support for the U.S. sanctions. Lots of sock puppet accounts. Members of the Washington regime can then retweet them, saying, "Look, here are Iranians writing in Farsi and agreeing with us!"
I know many Iranians here in Western Europe, and none of the women wear veils, that perennial topic that is used against Iran. It doesn't matter which side of Iran's politics any of them are on. None of them would ever support the communist MeK, or Israel. (The only ones who'd do that are the communists who fled the conservative revolution long ago, who are in separate social groups from the other Iranians.)
Why do you hate the Jews?
hate? youre being over sensitive imo.
DEATH TO ISREAL.
Are you leading the charge, man?
Adios, Gringo. lol
Med time, Chuckster.
What did he say? The comment was removed before I could read it.
I hate it when that happens LOL
Kiss my butt, Denise.
Be quiet, Denise.
Judeo-banderite “D” is upset with the formation of popular opinion on the future of the fascist jewish state of “holobiz survivors?”
So what happened to the military arrangement between Russia and Iran? Worthless? Is Russia going to strongly condemn the attack and ask all sides to calm down?
"So what happened to the military arrangement between Russia and Iran? Wothless?"
Yes.
https://www.ianwelsh.net/iran-has-been-hit-hard-by-israel/
"Iran’s leadership are incompetent. That statement will enrage some readers and commenters, but they have allowed their allies to be taken out one by one, they have not yet launched significant retaliation, and their current actions, sending a hundred drones to attack Israel, are pathetic. It is no favor to them to pretend their strategy is working: it is clearly failing."
Iran is confronting a powerful enemy that has a multiple of its population and territory and the monopoly money machine on top of that.
Maybe that should be taken into consideration.
That doesn't stop them from being prepared for an attack that a kitten could have seen was coming.
Where the hell is Iran's air defense? The Israelis seem able to attack where and when they will, without taking any losses. Were the Iranians asleep? This attack was telegraphed over the last three days. 🤔
I keep hearing that Iran will unleash a "devastating" response. Well, where is it? 🙄
You have to give the Israelis credit, they obviously had this planned very well indeed. So far Iran has done nothing notable in response. Meanwhile, the Israelis continue their attacks all over the place.
The "negotiations" were obviously designed to lull Iran into thinking Israel would not attack until after talks were concluded, and that ruse worked very well. Trump was obviously in on it, and it's amazing that the Iranians seemed to fall for all of it.
Note also how Russia played along with the "negotiations" while the Ukrainians were busy executing their attack on Russia's nuclear bombers. See the similarity between that situation and the one with Iran? When will people learn that you can't negotiate with the empire? There's always some shady shit going on in the background that will be unleashed later while the "negotiations" are happening.
All very good questions, and all extremely worrying facts.
Although no Israeli planes flew over Iran, it was all ALCMs and ALBMs.
And ballistics are hard to shoot down for anyone. But still, there wasn't even all that much engagement.
I see reports there was a large-scale cyber/EW sabotage of the Iranian AD network. That would explain it. But that is catastrophic on its own...
Virtually all such apartment hits--which I covered before--were done locally via drones/ATGMs and other forms of sabotage.
It was most likely a ballistic missile.
Which brings up a lot more questions. Ukraine can easily move around in Russia, as they look the same and speak the same language. But Israelis? Can the Israeli spys rent a garage somewhere in the industrial zone around Teharan, receive equipment via postal service and start assemble the drones?
There are always people willing to take money or have a history that gives way to blackmail them to take actions against their own country & people.
No society is free of fanatic opponents and Iran has a diaspora who has benefit from the Shah-regime or were part of it and gave the hatred and hostile mindset to their children.
You might give the correct answer. Iranian refugees here in Austria are very well educated (and integrated!). And this drone assembly can not be done by some non educated personel. Maybe the West could bribe some diaspora Persians to go into Iran and do the job, at least a realistic scenario. But why is the Iranian Police so inactive? They must know about this simple fact. Or is the education level of the refugees a tabu in Iran?
Seems as though that is what's happen, beggars belief.
It's not like Israelis are blonds with blue eyes. Their physical characteristics are actually pretty close to Iranians - who aren't Arab by the way and I'd bet most Mossad and Special Forces types there speak Hebrew, Arabic and Farsi.
Afaik, there's a Western backed group called the MEK (mohammed e khalq ?) based in Albania that are dedicated to the overthrow of the current Iranian regime. I'm not sure they seek the restoration of the Pahlavis but they're certainly pro-Western.
Mixing up Israelis with Jews is wrong. Not all Israelis are Jews, not all Jews are Israelis. Jews are coming from all over the world, they do not have specific face\body\behavioral characteristics [as opposed to popular believes] and as far as I have heard, there are Jews between penguins as well. It's not so hard to find Jews originally from Iran who speak perfect Persian and are connected to their Iranian roots, and for a sake of the future of Iran I also hope that Iranian people are keen on breaking the chackles of Mullahs, even if that means dealing with Zionist Scum... So, no, it was not a local Israeli Haim from Tel Aviv strolling through Teheran's neighborhood with yarmulke and huge star on his chest bribing with dirty dollars naive innocents
yes - I read Mossad had been doing a special operation for months
decades
yeah that too
The range of some Sparrow ALBM variants is much greater than 400 km.
Cruise missiles were fired too.
Maybe Russia hit the disable switch.
Always a doubt given how captured Russia itself is by Israel, but most of Iran's AD is of its own making.
Considering how vital Iran has been to Russia during the SMO, a double-cross seems unfathomable. Iran got Russia into the realm of drone warfare when Russia had virtually no competence in the area.
On the other hand, the 2019 RAND policy report "Extending Russia-Competing from Advantageous Ground" explains the merits of forcing Russia's hand into an SMO. Such an operation ties down Russia's latitude to operate in the Middle East.
This is one reason, however, for Russia to go "all in" and end the SMO with decapitation strikes against the Kiev Regime, crash the grid and fossil fuel supplies to the front. Launch troops from Belarus as well to take Kiev.
>a double-cross seems unfathomable
Remember that Russian elites broke up their own country in the late 1980s in order to be able to loot it and hand over much of the real wealth to the West.
It is still largely the same people in power there.
It was also Putin who played the good cop to the US/Israeli bad cop while destroying Syria.
So yeah, not out of the question at all.
But if Iran goes down, Russia is done for as that whole southern axis becomes wide open
Longer term China too
Thus this is the moment when both should go in directly.
Or deal with their own direct threats and help Iran that way.
Now is the time for a Russian strike on Europe combined with a Chinese one on the Far East. But they don't have it in them, while their enemies do...
A little over the top, GM. But I agree that Liberal ZioCon governments in Israel and the US all count on Russian/Chinese backing down unless pushed to the Existential Brink. It's not a Kissingerian "Mad Man" theory; it's "mad Man" practice. And it works.
Iran is on its own while Russia and China stand aside, watching the spectacle while munching popcorn.
It was Boris Yeltsin who did it. He hated the commies with good reason.
Yes. Russia should have wrapped up it's half war a year or two ago but for some inexplicable reason they keep fighting a conflict with one hand tied behind their back, and meanwhile their allies get btfo one by one. Amazing.
One by one.
Why did Iran waited for the attack?
Russia (and China) needs Iran for the transport logistics it can provide,
It's a key part of the network, Unlike Yiddistan which offers nothing.
With respect Bill, they do have a big patch of Coastal land to offer upon which to construct an Oil/Gas refinery, pipeline terminal and export hub to complete the development of the substantial off-shore hydrocarbon deposits. Admittedly, the land is currently occupied by its rightful Owners but they're working on that.
Russia seems to be more free of the jew than the "west" but can you elaborate please?
????
There are two million dual citizens and half of the Russian oligarchs are among them.
Including most of those in Putin's close circle.
I do not doubt you - Please name the ones closes to Putin.
Not the S-400 system, which Iran supposedly purchased from Russia. Then again, maybe Iran does not even possess such a system.
It seems anything is possible after recent events FRPL.
Where are the Russian air defense as per last time? Did the Russians pull out so that Israel could hit Iran better? Where are the Russians?
Of course Israel compromised the Iranian AD.
Yeah, what "deception"? All sides knew this was coming. 🙄
yeah - Net's been saying it for days Iran caught sleeping. Hezbollah too.
Hardly sleeping Ann but likely part of a cabals plan cui bono? Not the Iranian people though.
I also believe that this maybe part of another agenda, and that Iran has participated in this theater play to pull the wool over our eyes. I do not believe that the Shitraheli planes could sneak past Iranian air defenses, nor that Russia's satellites did not pick up the take off of those planes,nor that Russia did not rang the bell in Tehran.
None of this makes logical sense.
jewish DEW (direct energy weapon) is the only thing that makes sense
Now there's a possibility. It appears there's a lot of these Apps (HAARP and others) being deployed globally. It's being picked up by observers and monitors of Space Weather in the form of Auroras and Electron bursts, but, so they say, it's not all coming from the Sun.
It appears more and more the supposed enemy parties all negotiate secretly for the betterment of an unknown party and national affiliation plays no role only business connections or class membership.
No truth to be read anywhere it seems.
you mean tribe membership..
Why not? Someone wrote a few years ago that many in the Iranian government are crypt-Jews, incl. the supreme leader. I did not buy into it then, nor do I now but I must admit I feel less sure about my stance. In any case, it could explain Iran's extreme tolerance of Shitrahel's incessant attacks in all shapes and forms, incl. extrajudicial murders of Iranian nuclear scientists.
White man speaks with forked tongue.
Native American proverb, 1690s
you mean jew...
The iranian air-defence was partly destroyed in the israeli attack after Irans missile answer in Oct 2024.
And since then Iran has been sitting on its hand wailing over those destroyed air defenses?
yes.
Sadly, the only hope for, avoiding WWIII is the end of the state of Israel as currently constituted. It is a rogue state. Instant EU imposition of BDO minimum response. US is inviting 9/11 part 2. Reps need dump that fool Trump now. Empower Rubio on foreign policy, JDV is no total rollover for Israel, beyond ritual statements.
Agree with wiping Shitrahel off the map, but Rubio is an ignorant buffoon at a loss, while Trump has the IQ of a sidewalk.
@Spud Murphy
What is "BDO"? Surely not the accounting firm or British Darts Association.
Israel has comprehensive liability insurance from US Congress, Inc and 330 million Shabbat Goy ready to die to protect it
You overstated the GOYIM in a rush to pointlesssy die for satanic gay homiccidal vile antiwhite…. AntiChristian..anti American .. apartheid state isreal.. .. Satan s best friend.. **Rearm Now!
If I were a betting man I'd say Iran won't do jack. They will cuck.
G'day Andy, reports coming in of drones enroute to Isreal but I am definitely of the same opinion as you but hopefully we are both off the mark somewhat!
It’s hard to defend against Jewish space lasers.
Excellent post. You touch on all the things playing around in my brain. In the end, The Art of Deception is Indeed the Art of War.
They had decades to prepare for this and several days of immediate warning.
Missiles should have been on hair-trigger launch-on-warning alert, with targets locked and loaded, and flying back the moment the Israeli planes took off.
But it's been hours since the attack and no response yet.
And the military command got caught with its pants down and were all killed.
How is that possible and WTF is going on here?
How does the whole military command get caught literally sleeping in their homes in an attack that clearly started at least an hour before the missile impacts, or it gets caught all together in some facility that is not securely deep underground?
Also, there were very few air defense engagements.
Which is extremely concerning.
For others too, especially Russia.
If Iran can be cleanly decapitated like that, well...
Use it to lose it remains the all-important principle.
And in the age of missiles one cannot wait to absorb the first blow.
They should have hit Israel first to disable the air force. They would still be alive had they done that.
Similarly, it is an absolute must for Russia to physically neutralize NATO in Europe. Yesterday, not today, not tomorrow. Or this will happen to them too...
Consider the possibility that since everyone knew what was coming and Israel couldn't be threatened that it would have to fend for itself, that therefore what we're seeing from the regional powerbrokers is calculated. I mean, maybe Israel and Iran are going to learn that without the US and Russia neither can be winners.
As long as Russia has a significant nuclear 2nd strike, the same won't happen to Russia.
As long as.
Fortunately, nobody has ever attacked the strategic nuclear forces, right?
No, no one has.
It's only the low-IQ guys babbling nonsense on Internet who don't realize that Russia doesn't consider Tu-95's as any significant part of its strategic nuclear deterrent. Doh.
Why would the Iranians react immediately? Without a Iranian response air raid sirens are going off in Tel Aviv. Pampered comfortable Israelis now need to pack into uncomfortable air raid shelters possibly nightly as of now. It's not easy when you become accustomed to luxurious living to just adjust to surviving in tight spaces with strangers. If the Iranians are smart they would let them stew for a while let the tempers rise,the anxiety, the frustration then when it ripens strike and let the chaos ensue. The true test are the follow on strikes and how successful they will be. As it's very easy to have surprise attacks not so easy when you are expected. Every successful Israeli strike is a bug that is fixed and a loop whole closed, the Iranians just need to play the western game and adapt the western strategies but with planning less emotions and calculation. In the end Iran is the victim being faced by an illegal, unprovoked act of aggression from a rogue state. What better narrative to have?
You people are hopeless.
It's a secular religious cult at this point
How can it be secular if it is religious? Your BS gets more idiotic every day.......
Look up the etymology of "religion."
Well the issue is the meaning of secular.
Did you look it up?
We have heard that before and what did Iran do? Sweet FA.
Did you miss the missile strikes hitting Israel? Or probably because Iran did not target civilians you consider it a failure. Though this time the Iranians do need to send a more serious message.
As of last reports, Iran DID target civilians
Iran did not target civilians during true promise one and true promise two. Thos attack which is basically a declaration of war on the Iranian state will have less restraints FAFO.
It turns out that Zelensky's operation Web was nothing more than a flashy publicity stunt by announcing that they took out 41 Russian planes, which sent the media into a frenzy about Russia taking significant losses from the drone attack. That unconfirmed news caused a stir among members here, For all the sensationalizing of Operation Web, it only took out about 5 obsolete, unused planes for an operation that took them 18 months to plan. lol
Operation Web was a complete failure because it focused on a worthless target to begin with; it should have been focused on the steady retreat and losses of its forces along its front lines. Such is the delusional thinking that comes with having kilos of snorting consistently big lines of coke while being under prolonged pressure. The delusion is manifested by the creation of a false, pleasing reality that doesn't hold against the fact that it has lost the war, as the Russians keep closing in. Call it the Russian bear hug, where it just slowly keeps squeezing you till your eyes pop out. Not the best time to be an AFU soldier, I suspect.
Simplicius summed it up quite well, June 1,
"I suppose it’s easy for the manic ‘high’ phase to over-compensate after such a painfully long period of dismal disappointment, but I regret to inform them that today’s strikes will change nothing, apart from deepening the nails into the soggy wood of Ukraine’s coffin."
I don't see a connection to the news of today's write up Denis, did I miss some esoteric point. Or is this code for it only a flesh wound, no worries.
It's an added note. Don't be so trite. I say what I want, not what you want to hear.
So an addendum Denis ok my apologies continue.
> I say what I want, not what you want to hear.
Sure, but presumably you are here to contribute to the conversation or am I wrong? Are you here to throw us a red herring? herrings only taste nice if they are not red and fresh off the hook.
Iran has no nuclear warheads, but *can* paste Israel with highly-enriched 'dirty bombs' aboard hypersonic missiles. The fallout patterns could render great swathes of Israel and select point targets uninhabitable.
Please, Iran. Do it quickly.
And Israel knows Iran would not do that.
Really? This dirty bomb is more to scare Germans, who think the invisible radiactive waves do all sort of damage. Make yourself a simple calculation, take 1kg of highly enriched uranium and disperse is over 1square kilometer. Will you really find humans receiving more than 1sv? Of course, take much more and disperse it in a town, maybe 100m2, then you will see "good" results.
Gosh, we could have had an answer to that question but . . .
The iraqi hospital that was researching birth defects on babies from depleted uranium exposure was completely blown to smithereens by the US military because 'terrorist' in the basement.
Depleted uranium is the opposite of a "dirty" bomb. Sorry, wrong conspiracy theory. Are you from Germany? And now back to reality. We are talking about radiation, not chemical exposure. If a depleted uranium warhead would pose any radiation problem to the people nearby, the US Army (and others) would never ever seat the crew right beside the ammunition tray. Because the radiation level for the crew that trains, fights, lives, and sleeps in their tanks would kill all of them if a civilian who maybe is exposed for minutes shows any reaction. Of course, there is a health issue with heavy metals, but this has nothing to do with a "dirty" bomb, this is a normal chemical weapon.
Lol, the US doesn't care about its soldiers at all. They poisoned thousands of them with agent orange in Vietnam, gave thousands cancer and caused birth defects from the burn pits during the Gulf war, hell if you get hearing loss during service the government will fight you tooth and nail to avoid giving you health benefits.
If you are saying depleted uranium is radiation free I would like to have some DU inserts made for your underwear. It's also toxic.
@Velociraver
Highly enriched uranium is not an effective radiological weapon.
HEU is fuel for a fission weapon, spreading it as an attack would be pointless- You can handle HEU with no more than gloves, you just can't eat it or breath the dust. Radiological weapon materials can't be handled outside of a hot cell, they are mostly fission wastes or deliberately bred short half life isotopes which produce penetrating radiation such as high energy gamma.
Also, you don't shit where you eat, Israel's near neighbors won't be using radiological weapons at all, radioactive dusts go where the weather takes them once released. "Dirty bombs" are (mostly) useless militarily or the major powers would stock and use them, just as with nerve gasses. Both US and USSR experimented with these and found them ineffective tactically and undesirable/ineffective strategically.
'Useless militarily'
Well, yes. But not useless. Drop a dirty bomb in NY city and see what OSHA does, what EPA does. What happens to the banks when billions of dollars of collateral, both residential and commercial, turns useless for the next 15 to 20 years?
Would targeted applications of dirty bombs in key military industrial areas change the war effort? Would multiple strikes on civilians centers create such civil, production and economic disruptions as to change the course of the war?
@Trumpeter
One of the reasons major powers forgo the use of modern, really low LD50 chemical weapons is the inability to have your troops occupy the area you just used them in. An area denial weapon with a duration of several decades to centuries is even worse.
Sure, you could ruin NYC (even worse than it already is), assuming you and your buddies never want to go there. How many Russian oligarchs had their own NYC penthouse apartments?
You might be able to render the general area of present day Israel uninhabitable by EVERYONE for the next 7 half lives of whatever isotope you used, however that was never the desire of any of our various abrahamic religious fanatics, they all just want access/ownership for themselves. (On a bad day, that actually starts to look like a "best of all the bad choices" kind of solution to me?)
Having a bit of experience in this area, having guys with moon suits on cleaning up dust particles over an area of 250 square miles (NYC metro)...ugh. We'd do it, but the cost would be astronomical. It would take forever. 10 years from now you'd have a checkpoint to see progress.
Someplace like Israel? it would be impossible to contaminate it without contaminating the neighbor countries. It is true that the wind environment around Israel tends to keep things bottled up in the general area, but it wouldn't be good enough. Also, I can hardly imagine someone going across Jordan and the Sinai with a dosimeter finding all the crap and putting it in containers.
As for the result - lots of cancers and ill-health. It sounds weak sauce until you experience it.
@HBI
It looks like the area will be uninhabitable shortly due to old fashioned fallout anyhow, no need for radiological weapons.
They know that if that is the response, Tehran and several other cities will definitely be nuked. Israel is in no way afraid to use nukes and the Iranians know this. I would not even put it past Israel to spray chem weapons all over Iran in a war of extermination.
As much as I would like Iran to declare war and take actions to crash the global economy I fear they will do nothing and act like the defeated dog they are now.
I would love to be proved wrong but hoping Russia grows balls for a decade now I have lost hope that the axis of resistance is nothing more than some axis of masturbation.
"...I would like Iran to declare war and take actions to crash the global economy..."
I do not understand how someone, who [IMO, sorry if mistaken] lives nice, pampered life in some western country, would hope that destroying global economy is any good. What I've seen in my ExYU/Serbia during the civil war and total dissolution of old country was that poor got very much poorer, rich got richer, some from "poor pool" discovered they are crafty enough to make a quick million [or 50] by smuggling petrol and cigarettes and "liberating" popular cars and other movable valuables from war stricken areas... Big revolution did not happen, dozens of thousands got killed, hundreds of thousands dispersed with a rucksack if lucky, whoever entered EU got screwed, who left out of EU got screwed, only local and world elite got richer and stronger... As much as I am aware of the global economy SHlT, please, expand...
So what is Iran waiting for?
@Feral Finster
For "it" to make any kind of strategic sense. If you know exactly what Iran should do? Maybe call them, I'm sure they will value your input.
Iran in the latest IAEA report had close to 500kg of HEU. That's enough for 10 weapons or more, depending on engineering quality.
"Iran ... *can* paste Israel with highly-enriched 'dirty bombs' aboard hypersonic missiles. The fallout patterns could render great swathes of Israel and select point targets uninhabitable."
You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.
This is in reference to?
the chicken swinging genocidal sin merchants that control the "west" -
Bingo!
@MontyDog
Who you talkin' to?
Saudi condemns Israel.
are they going to take them into some saudi embassy in istanbul and chop off some fingers?? talk is cheap and seems to only operate in one direction with these freaks..
Don't be foolish, NO ONE goes 'near' a Saudi diplomatic building any more!
Whilst behind the scene negotiations continue apace Monty. MBS is immoral and power hungry and as trusty as a hungry junkyard dog.
@rakyat kecil
Just say "MBS is a politician", save keystrokes.
They have been condemning the genocide in Gaza for months and Israeli occupation for years too.
So?
Same with Turkey and Jordan! I think this will finally unite the Arabs boys!
One can only hope but don't hold your breath FRPL.
I was being sarcastic. They will publicly denounce it but privately support it
They may even have done what you proffered no matter what is publicly stated but we won't know for years to come their real position except that the Nationalist position is not paramount to The Kremlin and oligarchical supporters.
Talk is cheap.
Wow, potent!
..."nascent technologies have created parity between Israel and its foes, where groups like Hamas and Hezbollah can use cheap but highly technologically effective weapons to deal accurate, disabling damage to Israel’s most critical and sensitive infrastructure. "
maybe so, but the pager event from the past year highlight israels technological superiority, along with their ability to knock off 3 or more important military leaders and nuclear scientists...i'd say iran has some catching up to do..
I don't think its technology - its betrayal and trreachery and inhumanness. The devil's arts
likely some of both..
Yes and until and unless they fight back in kind they will be defeated
Pagers with explosives that mostly maim civilians are not technology - any nation on earth could do that. But Israel has a unique willingness for evil, and will one day find out, when the US dollar collapses, why it's stupid to be friendless.
Combined with covert operations capability and black resourcefulness
That's it so. We have finally reached the point of no return. 'Noticing' as you brilliantly put it has led to the inevitable showdown. Iran and Israel seem to be the pawns sacrificed for multipolarity. Could it have been any other way?
Will it spread to a global war is questionable, it all depends on the Pentagon really. Hopefully cool heads will prevail stateside.
It certainly does feel like a crossing of the rubicon type moment….combined with some other analogy…
Being ringed by US (an other) bases the way it is Iran is approaching a ‘use it or loose it’ scenario.
I have to wonder what all the other nations in the area think is going to happen as they get whittled away at…
Well as a sectional-sofa-admiral, I’m excited to see what the latest round of weapons tech has to offer.
As a Comeditarian and all around nice guy I’m expectedly saddened by the recent escalation.
As you said: Could it have been any other way?
It seems not.
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Great round up!
Iran has to respond. If they don't that will signal weakness will lead Israel and the U.S to bomb them at will. If you're going to go down, go down in a blaze of glory. I can't see the Iranian population accepting a weak response.
Perhaps Israel did a pager exercise on Iran's air defense. I'm amazed at the lack of interceptions. I don't think I saw air defense in action at all.
Maybe they are incredibly incompetent, but the distance from launch to target should have given sufficient warning to put up a better showing. I would have thought that their air force or long range air defense would take the fight into Iraqi air space.
Even more worrying is that high command was killed.
This was a telegraphed attack and it started at least an hour before they got hit. They had enough time to wake up and move to a secure place and/or disperse and become untraceable. And yet...
Notice how none of the Houthi leaders has been killed after years of bombing. It's not like it is some kind of a secret how to avoid that.
Something is very, very wrong here.
yes - Sam Yamani over at Facebook - the best commenter over there said Iran was caught sleeping...he couldn't believe it.
Also Israel & Ukraine knocking off top leaders left right & centre. Why aren’t Iran & Russia doing also?
The moral ones are self regulating for hidden reasons, and the West are not the moral ones by the way Sam.
Could Iran and Russia be part of the show?
Could it be that Iran leaders and scientists were killed 'in person', and not by missiles? I mean--planted explosives or some such that were detonated during the first attack wave?
The Houthi leaders must go to inside-mountain command posts.
Yes, I am wondering why leaders in Iran weren't deep underground or inside a mountain.
>Could it be that Iran leaders and scientists were killed 'in person', and not by missiles?
Quite possible, still inexcusable.
There is also a possibility they are not actually dead and Iran is playing deception games. Small possibility.
Also, one has to remember the Houthis were trained by the IRGC. So the IRGC itself being caught like that, well...
> There is also a possibility they are not actually dead and Iran is playing deception games.
Good point.
Don' kid yourself.
I had thought of that as well….things are never what they seem from the armchair….
A full day has passed, and more details have surfaced. There has been much commentary and analysis. It was a full day of reading, listening, and typing comments of my own.
About the leaders and scientists that are reported killed~I read that one important man was ill, and so was above ground being cared for in his apartment. He was murdered by a precision strike. I read that missiles were launched from places in Iraq--those were the precision-strikers. I do not recall the source, and since I heard that Israel also used drones, perhaps a drone killed the sick man in his own home.
GM, more than one source said that the negotiations with the US had lulled Iran into a sort of 'relaxed state'. Hence, important leaders and scientists were asleep above ground.
I am baffled by technology that can pinpoint a person's exact location at a given time! Do drones have AI eyes?
Yemen is a small, tight knit country. Years of attacks on them has reinforced this ethic. Very, very difficult to infiltrate.
Iran has internal division, opposition & has been infiltrated by mossad operatives & bought-off traitors.
So yes, this could have been a mix of attacks from outside & within.
Why the F would the damn generals and lead scientists be home in a residential neighborhood in the first place? Are these Iranians really this dumb? It's hard to believe, really.
Bunkers were hit too.
The IGRC Aerospace command was taken out in one of those.
So they went into bunkers that weren't constructed to be secure and protected from such missile strikes? Even dumber and harder to believe.
I have a lot of questions myself
Mossad has been busy for weeks. I think I read further down Simplicius says this was drones not missiles that blew up the apartments
it was a military apartment building - I think the bottom line is as Simplicius said a year ago - Iranian leadership is Geriactric and so they were peaceful and subdued when they should have been wide awake and prepared.
Salami was on his deathbed and confined to his home for some time
Much of the strike was probably air launched ballistic missiles but where was Russia to warn Iran ?
Could Russia/Putin be part of the cabal?
And did either the Russians or Chinese warn the Iranians?
Iran is on its own, always has been.
Good observation that the Israelis deliberately specified that the operation was launched under cover of political and 'diplomatic' deception. But that doesn't mean necessarily the US participated in the deception. It could be -- and almost certainly is -- that the Israelis are trying to implicate the US to get Iran to target American forces, blow the Middle East powder keg, and meanwhile take cover behind the US. It's not going to work. Sadly, again Shylock has chosen a pound of flesh. The Great Port is going to have its will be done.
Didn't Trump pretend he wanted to continue negotiating hours before the attack he knew was coming? To further rub it in, Rubio just asked Iran to come to the negotiating table after the attack. And Trump previously set a 60 day deadline for Iran to do a deal and that was up yesterday.
They were never not in cahoots.
It doesn’t matter. Everyone now knows Trump can’t be trusted. There will be no negotiated settlement in Ukraine after this, and Iran vs Israel will end in capitulation, not agreement.
Bibi has always put his own career. and freedom from corruption charges. ahead of Israel's wellbeing....apart from showy assassinations of senior leaders, I doubt that this attack accomplished anything except to demonstrate comclusively that Israel is a terrorist state....
Removing any overly provocative comments so as not to invite undue scrutiny
Yes, but looking at how the US is behaving under Trump it seems that the policy of selective freedom of speech is a bipartisan policy that leads to room 101.
Well, calling for the assassination/killing of people just isn't going to fly anywhere and is usually the work of agent provocateurs who seek to shut down a given site/venue.
Yes, that’s true too. But more broadly it’s about the failing western narrative management that over the past three years has become increasingly unhinged. Where objective discussion was once tolerated is now entering the phase of total shutdown as the conflicts widen and exceed the resources to respond.
Thank you for explaining why you deleted some posts. Your reasoning is comprehensible.
Most likely agents provocateur making attempts to get this very informative stack cancelled
and they change the thread too. Everyone reacts instead of discussing.
Once again, I see internet addicts chomping at the bit for some immediate response.
But this is bigger than just Iran and Israel, or even the USA and Israel. At some point, there's going to be a tipover where the global community no longer thinks of the general "West" as the good guys. At some point, the nations of the world are going to say the hell with the UN and the IAEA and the IMF and all the rest of the multilateral institutions, including all those insurance and metal and oil trading markets in London. And when that happens, byebye fiscal and political dominance.
Forget about Iranian missiles for a minute and ask - when are China and Turkey going to stop selling goods to Israel? That happens and Israel vaporizes overnight purely from economic reasons. And how many phone calls are going on right now between Tehran and Moscow and Moscow and Beijing? A lot is my guess. Same across the Arab world. The blowback from this is going to be a lot bigger than the number of dead bodies.
Oh, shut up.
intelligent response
Thanks.
yer welcome
So Sam acquiesce once again, be patient the weak will stand up and then it will all be over.
If the global community (outside of the West) ever thought of the West as the good guys (and that's a big if, because I've never seen any evidence of it in my 50 years of life), then it ended a looooong time ago. It's more a question of the citizen's of the west realizing that everyone else hates us, and with good reason, and that we are not in fact the good guys. And that seems to be well on the way to happening, thank christ.
Yeah but AIPAC runs you.
We are not visible within the mass, and will take the hit with the rest.
You make some good points.
You are right.
It is over. The ”international world order” is dead.
Kill or be killed if you resists the shackles.
This is the endgame.
"The blowback from this is going to be a lot bigger than the number of dead bodies."
Well said. I strongly agree, although I'd respectfully amend that to "the number of dead bodies from the current strike and the immediate response." That's because the blowback from this in the future will be millions dead in Israel and possibly in other countries too.
Israel's attack on Iran, deliberately seeking to destroy Iran's military capabilities to defend itself or do engage in significant war, all while deliberately trying to kill Iran's leaders, is not just a declaration of open war by Israel on Iran, it's proof that Israel is willing to use its nuclear arsenal to impose Israeli hegemony on other countries. Without Israel's nuclear sword ready to execute any opponent who fights back, Iran would and should launch unlimited war against Israel in reprisal for such an attack.
The only lesson any other country can take from Israel's attack on Iran is if you don't have a nuclear deterrent, you have no sovereignty or safety from Israeli attacks. It is a more extreme form of the lesson countries like North Korea have learned about the US.
As a matter of literally existential priority you must spare no effort in acquiring a nuclear arsenal sufficient to ride out an Israeli first strike and to be able to utterly annihilate Israel in retaliation, or you must acquire an arsenal that can annihilate Israel with your own first strike if you cannot achieve the ability to ride out an Israeli nuclear first strike.
The Israeli attack guarantees that Iran will build out a nuclear arsenal, if it does not already have one. Iran cannot spare any effort to build that arsenal, and they will endure any humiliation to buy the time to do so.
I think given the existential stakes involved, it is only a matter of time before an Islamic nuclear power detonates nuclear explosives in Israel.
The regime in Israel seems to be so confident that they believe if they cannot eliminate nuclear threats with actions like this, by being sufficiently vicious they can convince new nuclear powers, like Iran, that Mutual Assured Destruction will follow if any new nuclear power uses nukes against Israel in a first strike. They have a point, as anybody who considers a first strike on Israel has to consider that Israel may already have smuggled nukes into Tehran and other Iranian cities.
But sooner or later there will come a day when Israel's enemies will have nuclear arms and they will be willing to be martyred to rid the Islamic world of such a vicious enemy. On that day, Israel will cease to exist. That's what this Israeli attack, along with all the other viciousness that came before, like the brutal genocide in Palestine, will guarantee.
The worst outcome is to bring nuclear weapons to be used again since the USA did it as sole country on earth so far.
There are always other means to bring Israel down and prevent them from using their Nukes. I bet those means are currently discussed between the countries that see the danger and implications from what Israel (with help from the US) has done now.
The problem with Israel is that they have a Masada complex and are willing to take everybody with them in response to an existential attack.
If other countries try to employ "other means to bring Israel down," the Israelis aren't just going to sit idly and let themselves be "brought down." They'll lash out with extreme viciousness at their tormentors.
Keep in mind this is the same country that in 1967 attacked a US ship, the USS Liberty, killing 34 US crew members and wounding 171.
Israel compensates for its small population by being extremely vicious. That's a successful strategy but it does compel Israel's enemies to make sure that when they strike they strike to kill, and that means nukes.
The Zionists have always had this attitude, from before there was an Israeli state. It will be their undoing as well.
"There are always other means to bring Israel down and prevent them from using their Nukes."
Really? Name one. Just one. Bearing in mind that Israel controls both houses of Congress in the USA.
Was gonna say….they kinda run that racket.
Sorry but that's what we are made to believe, Israel controls nothing, Israel is a proxy and so the US have many people believe; oh but we are the good ones, look at the crazy Israelis!
It's all written down and executed just as the playbook said.
Act like you make a deal with Iran, a deal Iran can't refuse and if they refuse send the mad dog Israel to do the job, in that case Israel will absorb the anger and eventual blows from the angry public and the USA can claim to be innocent.
"Which path to Persia" written in 2009 and free access to it on the Internet.
And as written down there, the public is acting exactly as predicted - believing Trump is negotiating and Israel is the crazy nation that rules the USA and Trump really does not like Nethanahyo (or whatever that criminal is calling himself) - all crap and still, people lapping up that crap and thinking they know it all.
Back in my time we used to say: read the fucking manual!
Israel is an assurance of nuclear war in our future. I hope i'm dead before it happens, but that doesn't seem very likely now when I probably have 20y to checkout.
And that all plays into the hands of the warmongers. They win either way - if Iran backs down they win. If Iran crosses the threshold they were right all along and they win. A truly evil enemy will burn their own country to the ground in order to lord over the ashes.
Iran is a rogue state that has publicly called for the destruction of Israel many times over. Their leaders are insane radical religious nuts that want their people to live in the 8th century . They are a terrorist state so how could you support them?
"Iran is a rogue state that has publicly called for the destruction of Israel many times over."
In point of fact, Israel is a rogue state (literally stealing its initial weapons grade material and detailed nuclear weapons design information from the US to kickstart its nuclear arsenal) that has publicly called for the destruction of Iran many times over. Where have you been for the last few decades not to know that?
"Their leaders are insane radical religious nuts that want their people to live in the 8th century" That's a lie about Iran, but you'd be closer to telling the truth if were to say that about the current, hardline, extreme far-right Israeli government, so long as you amended that to say they wanted their people to live in the 8th century BC.
In reality, Iran is on the more moderate side of the Islamic spectrum when it comes to how Islamic countries structure their societies. In many of the Gulf monarchies, for example, it is very common to see women in Burkas, completely covered up, and in Saudi Arabia women are far more restricted in what they can do than in Iran.
Iran is not remotely an 8th century society. They're very modern. If you weren't a clueless imbecile with no experience of Islamic countries you'd know that. That's actually one of the points of friction between Iran and the far more conservative Islamic countries.
As for being a "terrorist state", that description applies to Israel these days but not to Iran. Israel has chosen to use extremely terroristic methods routinely in getting their way. For example, they exploded thousands of pagers in civilian hands, a gruesome act of terrorism that killed many children and innocent people. The Israelis have murdered tens of thousands of civilian women and children in Gaza and are using starvation as a tool of war.
What I will say is that both countries are democracies where their government seem to genuinely reflect the views of the great majority of their people.
Most Israelis seem to think that the way to deal with their Palestinian problem is to simply expel all Palestinians from their (the Palestinians') homeland or, if they won't leave, to kill them all. Likewise, most Israelis don't have a problem with killing Lebanese or Syrians or anybody else to expand the territory they control. They also don't give a hoot about honoring their past deals, as can be seen by how Israeli "settlers" violate whatever laws they want in their terrorist ethnic cleansing actions against Palestinians and Arabs who have lived on that land for two thousand years. And they justify that with religious fervor (which, it must be said, is sincerely felt) based on their view of what their ancient religion authorizes them, and even compels them, to do.
The Iranians also back their government, and they also back those people, mostly fellow Muslims, the Israelis are slaughtering.
The question is, how can you support such vicious war criminals as the hard right Israeli government?
Cope.
@Sam Ursu The West are not the good guys in general, especially the evil NATO alliances.
But Iran and Communist China are by no means the good guys and victims, they’ll remain so for another thousand years due to the ideological foundations of Islam and Marx-Lenin Communism, respectively.
Israel is not a nation of saints (no nation is), but what Israel is doing is a reaction to the maniacal threats from Islamists led by Iran. It’s a pity for the author to call Israel a rogue state. If that is acceptable, then what states are Iran, Communist China and NATO?
Unit 8200 much?
The Zionist penchant for defending all the terrible behavior they complain about in others is going to bite them in the ass sooner rather than later.
What's wrong with being communist and or Chinese or being born in Iran?
What's defining a good guy?
What do you know of the ideological foundations of Marx-Lenin communism or Islam?
What about those Iranians who are Zoroastrians?
Why is Israel not a rouge state that's illegally owning nukes and kill civilians of other countries on a massive scale?
@Frank Sailor If you don’t know what is wrong with being Communists or Islamists, you have zero clue about anything. In fact, any thoughts coming from you is potentially ignorant and dangerous.
Have you learned anything in history regarding the brutalities and tyrannical control of the societies by Islam and Communism? Apparently you have learned zilch. Since you ask the rhetorical question of what I know about Islam, let me give you an answer NO MUSLIMS CAN DENY: As a male follower of “Prophet” Mohammad, you must endorse and promote what Muhammad taught and did in the book of Hadith. So it glorious for you to rape young girls and slaughter infidels. Don’t go crazy if you learn it today for the first time. Go ask any Islam teachers about what I said above about Islamists and Hadith, then let us know what you are told. Do you want to live in a land governed by the Sharia law? I bet you can’t wait. 🤣🤣🤣
If you are a Caucasian (from your name), then you have proved yourself to be a shameless and useless imbecile for defending “by default” Islam and Communism. What’s wrong with you and your family education? Did your parents teach you anything at all? It’s clear you are no better, or even worse, than criminal Joe Biden.
Maybe I did not make it clear enough: the problems of Iran and Communist China are Islam and Marx-Lenin-Maoism. In my opinion I clearly state the ideological divide among the people. For Zoroastrians in Persia, they are good, and they are the victims. Likewise for any Chinese who refuse to buy into the outrageous, evil lies of Communism.
thank you, I rest my case - since you know shit
Sailor, you are shit and a criminal.
You got internet brain rot
You are another tard
All true, but that is going to take time. And time is what we probably won't have because Netanyahu and his fellow psychopaths are in a hurry.
Yes, sure. 🙂
Precisely! And because they seem to making “Sampson Option” type moves that indicates that they know this changing of the guard is going to happen eventually and if they trigger it they dream of having more control over its outcome….
Risky Business.
China is not going to do jack, and the West has too many levers over Turkey.
Dude if they are still trusting us (West) now (they are) it’s for the same reason they always have. We have them bent over with a gun to their head.
Game, set,.... (match?) to Israel? Perhaps. Consider that the Ayotollah may have lifted the fatwa? If nuclear weapons are no longer haram, then nuclear armed missiles may be ready in a matter of days, or could even be already complete? Perhaps this is the reason for the delayed response? I have read and heard that in order to destroy the Iranian nuclear reactors and missile programme, Bunker busters and nuclear weapons must be able to pentrate 800 metres, which they cannot.
This may work out to be a decisive win for Israel, or it may be the worst mistake imaginable. Time will tell.
They only need to bomb the Airvents and the Tunnel-openings.
Mikey, are you indicating that the bunker buster bombs do not have to reach a depth of 800 metres to destroy the nuclear reactors? As I understand it, these facilities / complexes are located at around 1/2 mile underground - essentially buried within a mountain - making it virtually impossible to penetrate. Even if possible, the number of bombs needed would require a larger number of bombers than the US / Israel possesses? I don't know this myself, just going on information I've heard...
G'day Aki, this is what is being written but what is true and what is not, altmedia has no truth in totality and has many biases exposed or hidden. Read between all lines.
Thanks Rakyat. Yes, it's difficult to determine the truth. That's why Simplicius is so valuable to understand better what is going on.
Check out Slavland chronicle for a different opinion re the situation in Ukraine which is highly enlightening and pulls no punches
Not holding back, Ruric!
You could notice that even Russians with Attitude is a bit tired of the 5D Chess leading to no significant results.
Yes. They dont need to go 500 or 800 meters down. I doubt they are at those depths - so much disinformation around.
If you look at those facilities the common denominator is tunnelshafts clearly shielded from the most obvious attacks but neverthless open to direct hits.
https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/irans-natanz-tunnel-complex-deeper-larger-than-expected/8
A couple of hits at those shafts will entomb whatever is beneath earth. Of course they can dig them out but will take a while.
Then you have Airshafts, either in proximity to the entrances or hidden elsewhere on the mountain but likewise easy to destroy.
The Fordow complex was not attacked according to ”sources” but it was probable damaged in the Israeli raid last fall.
Great information. Thanks.
Hopefully the ayatollahs have also watched Top Gun - Maverick, and added some cage type of structure over the air vents to protect them.... At the same time, if all the top guys were sleeping in their beds while the US were withdrawing their embassy staff from the region, maybe the Iranians also failed to focus on improving the security of their nuclear sites.
PS Dear Simplicius, please do not crucify me for my lack of military knowledge - the recommendation to put a cage over air vents as protection is just an allegory of the eternal race between swords and shields, if I may use this image.