For those of you who still insist that Russia is giving up on some of its stated objectives, I think the above Lavrov statement answers that question quite well. There will be no compromise.
Russia is offering Ukraine a huge compromise by not defeating it and leaving it intact when it is said to be so weak. The only way to denazify is to occupy.
Well, maybe. I suspect Russia will make certain that a Russian-friendly government is put in place that will outlaw nazism and remove all nazis from positions of power. It is possible that under terms of surrender, Russia might install a joint civilian/military junta to govern until the country is stabilised, a new constitution is written and elections can be held. Russia will likely take care of any nazi troops remaining if they haven't already been destroyed by then.
I don't think occupation will be necessary - besides, I don't think Russia has the manpower for a full occupation, do you?
Russia doesn't even want to live with the western Ukrainians, the ethnic leavings of the Polish-Lithuanian mpire. I really think the smartest thing to do is to stir the pot of esastern and central Europe by suggesting that the Transcarpathian area revert to Hungary as part of the deal.
"I suspect Russia will make certain that a Russian-friendly government is put in place that will outlaw nazism and remove all nazis from positions of power."
Let us know how Russia will do that, without occupying the country. Do you not recall the coups in 2005 and 2014?
Russia did it for many years, without occupying the country. But then the US weenies decided that Ukraine MUST pass to American control and they began buying and training up the "new generation" of modern Ukrainians, while sending Americans to staff their high-level government positions. Russia knows that game, too. Be patient. How long must WWII have seemed, or God help us, WWI? (Of course Lenin chose total control of the new Empire over winning a war he no doubt knew would one day roll around again...)
"But then the US weenies decided that Ukraine MUST pass to American control and they began buying and training up the "new generation" of modern Ukrainians, while sending Americans to staff their high-level government positions"
So, it worked. And Russia has been unable to generate a countercoup.
Otherwise, just more wishful thinking and promising us that The Great Pumpkin will show up, any day now.
Russia always was putting Ukraine first. Ukraine, Belorus, Moldova, Baltics were always the "showcase" of socialism - Russian specialists, after the graduation from universities were sent to these republics, scientific centers were built, the local "cadre" was supported/promoted just like now DEI in the US. Any "national candidate" had priority acceptance/scholarships to the hard to get into Moscow's most prestigious universities.
Ukraine decided the above was all due and its self-importance was fanned/abused by the West to make Ukraine do its bidding.
In 2013, Russia offered $16 billions to Ukraine for co-operation with no strings attached, EU offered the same with "austerity." Yanukovich did the math and was leaning toward co-operation with Russia, but Nuland & Co couldn't afford it.
Actually, 2014 is a pretty good example of how that can be done - coup, then install the right people, get the army on their side, begin a massive indoctrination programme, etc. No occupying army necessary.
Realpolitik. Used to be the Soviet specialty, against the US "idealists." Now the US has adopted all the BEST Soviet tricks, from non-stop propaganda to sabotage and subversion. They fail on the propaganda point -- although like cheap reality shows, cheap propaganda is easy for the illiterati to swallow.
A friendly regime in Kiev is a necessity. But Russia must also construct at least two military bases in Western Ukraine to intensively monitor cross-border trade flows and intervene/interdict when necessary. Since W. Ukraine will be hostile territory these bases need to be supplied on the border by Belarus and Transnistria. That's the only way to guarantee neutrality, demilitarization and deNazification
You propose the same thing I do, Victor. I say occupy, meaning what you say, "I suspect Russia will make certain that a Russian-friendly government is put in place that will outlaw nazism and remove all nazis from positions of power. It is possible that under terms of surrender, Russia might install a joint civilian/military junta to govern until the country is stabilised, a new constitution is written and elections can be held. Russia will likely take care of any nazi troops remaining if they haven't already been destroyed by then". So how does Russia get there? Russia could neutralize Ukraine by surrounding and sieging Kyiv and setting new lines north and south of it. That would also force AFU defensive lines to surrender en masse due to a lack of supply lines and being encircled by Russian forces. It's just a large-scale maneuver that the Russians are already executing small scale. It's not full occupation but a strategic occupation neutralizing Ukraine's ability to keep fighting. I should have clarified that.
It's certainly not up to me, and it is a matter of opinion, but I say no, no and no. Getting Russia to absorb a shattered and ruined Ukraine would be something MI6 and the CIA could drink free on for a decade. The west directly contributed to wrecking Ukraine, and then the patsy Russians swept in and went broke trying to rebuild it.
By all means Russia should take the East; it's a valuable area for industry and agriculture, and by setting manageable goals, Russia could probably do it up right without taking on huge dollops of debt - which is the reality that insulates it from economic harm from sanctions; it has the lowest debt in the G20 by far.
Even more to the point, sticking Europe with a rump Ukraine broke and devastated by war, always opening its beak like a baby bird and begging to be fed by a crumbling union whose big players - with the exception of Germany - all owe well over 100% of their GDP in accumulated debt, is just simple justice.
They might be able to occupy the border regions of the west, along the 1914 border say. Then they limit who goes into core Ukraine without having to actually occupy all of it.
Why do you think Ukraine is weak? Few countries can boast of a million man army and few can receive the support Ukraine has. I think you underestimate them. I'm sure the Russians don't.
Ukraine's weakness is in letting its extreme nationalist ideology to be exploited by the foreign elements, over-estimating its place on the totem pole, geopolitical naïveté combined with enormous greed.
The actual strength of the Ukrainian Ground Forces is actually about a quarter of that. I realize the infantry is pirating personnel from the Navy and Air Force, and probably the cooks and stewards as well, but they have nowhere near a million-man army. That's the entire strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces including Command and General Staffs, and otherwise the Navy is not doing much right now and the Air Force hardly dares to fly. The vaunted F-16's and donated French fighters mostly fly air-defense missions during Russian strikes, and are not very effective at that, while the Armored Corps stays in the tree line and hopes to remain unseen as it occasionally blasts away at nothing much.
They no longer have the strength they had, but they fielded a million men. Not too many countries have fought a war on that scale in the last 8 decades. People who say they are weak are not to be trusted. I stopped listening to the Duran a long time ago. Simplicius, and many others, provide a more realistic analysis of the situation.
We all hope so but the history of this conflict is one of Russian leadership -- Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu (not so much Belousov, he has largely kept his mouth shut, to his credit), etc. -- drawing red lines then the West immediately stepping over those red lines, and the Kremlin just swallowing the L and accepting yet another shifting of the bounds of the previously unthinkable as the new normal.
That is an empirical impossible to wave away fact.
because Russia was as always preparing for the Big One. It has massive trained up reserves. It has massive quantities of stored armaments. And meantime it is more and more rapidly bloodying Ukraine's nose. Desertions I am sure are going up and up and up. And they ain't comin' back.
there are No red lines, except that neither side is ready to start a nuclear war
US tried to provoke Russia into war, succeeded
tried to create confusion and disorder in Russia,that would lead to regime change, didn’t succeed
Russia tried blitz, didn’t succeed
Ukraine established itself as a state able to defend itself from all Russia can throw at it, except nuclear weapon.
Russia accepted this, accepted independent Ukraine if it would remain neutral, and refrain from attacking Russia.
Ukraine instructed by US, refused Istambul agreements and lost opportunity to end the war on mutually acceptable terms, quite favorable to Ukraine,
US & Ukraine have since been locked into what looks like attrition war vs Russia
in this war the most important element is not to make big mistakes, to correct mistakes as soon as possible, and to force the opponent to make mistakes
and to do it one needs all usual faculties, skills, but most of all patience
Russia is successfully destroying Ukrainian army, and although with enough money, weapons, US can create another iteration of Ukrainian army, losses are not sustainable longterm
psychologically and politically if war continues on current trajectory Ukraine will continue fighting and retreating
until either border of Donbas is reached or frontline collapses
once this point is reached, and still one has to somehow plead for a ceasefire,
not only future casualties are clearly useless, in vain, and motivation to fight lessens
but complete US/Ukrainian strategy is being demonstrated as obvious failure
Russian demands from summer 2024 may look relatively constrained, but they are political dynamite, as they cannot be accepted by current Ukrainian leadership, or any US sponsored leadership. To accept these reasonable demands and start building a new, independent, neutral Ukraine, a complete change of political elite is necessary
so, yes Russia is boiling the frog,
preparing both Ukraine, US as well as Europe to accept defeat,
US and Europe can do little to change the trajectory of the war on the battlefield in Ukraine, because they cannot send men. Russia wins.
US and Europe can supply technology for Ukraine to build or just assemble drones, cruise missiles, to strike inside Russia. Painful, but not enough to change reality. Russia will strike fiercer, Russia wins.
US can pressure Russian allies globally, Venezuela, or western African states directly with military forces, main allies India, China economically. Russia wins.
US and allies can try to stop oil trade, sanction ghost fleet. Dangerous approach it may end in conwoys being escorted by joint Russian, Chinese, Indian Navy. Russia wins.
US and allies can try to make Russia vulnerable, most likely by attacking Russian airforce in a major operation.
With patience, and no major mistakes, Russia wins.
>With patience, and no major mistakes, Russia wins.
Not at all.
Russia is not the USSR, it is at best at a third of the USSR's strength (lost half the population, got deindustrialized). It does not have the infinite resources to throw at the meat grinder in perpetuity. Even if it had 50 million young Uzbeks, Tajiks, Azeris, etc. in a hypothetical scenario in which the USSR still existed, it would have been collapsed under this sort of pressure. The USSR collapsed under much less stress, mind you.
You cannot win a war of attrition in which you are taking increasingly painful hits and your rear is no longer untouchable but the enemy is untouchable. That is a recipe for losing.
Most importantly, and as I have explained many times, there is a fundamental asymmetry here that plays in Russia's favor -- the US will not go to total nuclear war over its proxies.
Thus Russia can physically eliminate the proxies and occupy the space they were once located in, thus pushing the US out, and the US will not dare strike back.
In fact, that is precisely how you make sure the US will not dare strike back -- by showing unmistakable deadly intent and unflinching resolve.
Not showing it what has allowed escalation to get to this point
I appreciate that you do not have patience, and it is your right and privilege to be impatient as a commenter on Simplicius‘s.
It is different if you are leader of a superpower, have 7000 nuclear weapons, and a fate of your state and nation in your hands.
But you are also wrong, and Putin is right. Russia is winning the war of attrition, after three years of war, Ukraine has not enough infantry. And this lack of infantry this gap in number of soldiers will only grow.
The only way for US to win now is for Russia to do something stupid, like something you suggest.
You are pushing the rhetorics that would help enemies of Russia, if it were implemented. Repeatedly.
You are either a useful idiot, or an MI6/SBU agent.
Please explain to us how Russia is going to win the war if thousands of heavy cruise missiles destroy its MIC and infrastructure in the coming couple years while Putin sits on his hands and does not fire a single shot back?
Because that is where this is all heading.
It's either that, or Putin nukes the proxies and physically throws the US out of Eurasia. But he won't have the capability to do that forever, it will be degraded eventually if he keeps taking the hits and turning the other cheek.
"The unthinkable" for Russia is NATO weapons and troops at Russia's border, and the leadership is doing an excellent job at enforcing that red line.
Trump doesn't want US boots on the ground, and the EU doesn't have any to put there anyway, and couldn't afford to support or arm them even if it did.
If you stand back from the conflict, and see the bigger picture, Russia is getting all it wants by force of arms, and nothing the west does with regards to red lines on either side is achieving their objectives.
They may set 'em up, but Russia just knocks them down.
Ha, ha...'armed to the teeth', my, yes. Finland is a thoroughly dangerous nation. Interestingly, its primary strength is regularly cited as being that it has a conscript military, with hundreds of thousands of citizens who have received military training; oddly enough, this is also regularly cited as a weakness for Russia, at least by nations who have all-volunteer forces. But I suppose we should have become accustomed by now to a thing being either super-great or super-terrible, depending entirely upon whether or not it accrues to the side of goodliness and freedom.
Putin will hang... the evidence is clear, Putin has been desperately trying to appease the Americans, look at all the countless hours of interviews he's given, Oliver Stone, Tucker, etc.. buddy up with Trump! delusional minded Russian. Reminds one of when Hitler signed a pact with Stalin, only to betray him. Ring a bell... they've been enemies since 1917, 1 or 2 presidents won't change the playbook.
no Odessa -- no end to war. And Putin does want it to end, but he has a couple of major objectives to take. After that, I'd pour grease over the rest of Ukraine, that poor landlocked nation, so that the wolves of Europe can descend on it and feast.
Certainly not americans as whole. America is a huge continent with many countries, many of which with decent people. You're for sure talking about the terrorists in North America, especially in the USA. Overall, disgusting people indeed. I'm not one to go as far as you, but I would definitely say north americans should be prevented from entering any other country. Wherever north americans are allowed to go, death and chaos follows. North americans are like parasites, they just want to consume other peoples resources, pillage, rob, do frauds, lie, deceive and then move to the next target. Being from a country with a lot of tourism, mostly from british (which are as bad as USA people), but USA people tend to be the most obnoxious, know it all, supremacist, egomaniacs that think they own the world. Absolutely despicable.
I'm from the USSA and I despise everything we're doing and/or have done geopolitically for the past three plus decades. There are many like me that feel the same way... Chip
And yet the ones among you who *are* doing those things walk around freely and without regard. Their necks unstretched, their houses unburned, their cars unbombed.
Kind of seems like you're not *that* unhappy with them...
What do you suggest we do then? I'm powerless as an individual to stop Washington DC from doing anything. Our country has been taken over by nefarious (((sources))) and they have completed the "long march" through our institutions. They control everything. Academia, the media, the medical/pharma community, banking and finance, the Judiciary, and our Administrative State. I don't know where you are from but you clearly do not understand how huge the United States is and how differently and diversely the 330 million people think... Chip
I believe an overall ban of Americans being able to travel anywhere abroad is essential. Telling who is an American from who is CIA is impossible. Failing that you "Kill them all and let God sort them out."
Sadly Mikey, there will be no security guarantees for the "joe public European" victims of the terrorist backlash unleashed by Ukrainians seeking revenge in shopping centres, sports venues and pop concerts or whatever. Their country is awash with weapons and explosive materiel. They've got the means, methods and motivation to cause havoc.
yes, that must be a part of the settlement -- what are the rules going forward? Should Russia allow NATO to encircle it with every neighbor armed by the USA? Should NATO's security outweigh that of the rest of the world? Such questions were taboo for the last 35 years. We must demand a public and political discourse on this matter that is so conveniently passed off as "helping Ukraine." Fuck Ukraine.
Sure, but there's not a single government or media outlet in the west, that listens to any of it.
Also, as I've stated in another comment, Ukraine is already in NATO. It is completely controlled by NATO, it receives supplies, weapons, money, intelligence data, ammunition from NATO,. Salaries are paid by NATO. Absolutely everything in Ukraine is already NATO. Ukraine is already a member of NATO and has received more from NATO countries, than even USA did when it triggered article 5 in 2001, after the attack on the twin towers. So what exactly will these "security guarantees" do more than article 5, which is already not what many think it is. Many think article 5 is one country is attacked, everyone joins in. That's false and not what's in the text at all. Article 5 is what every NATO country is doing with Ukraine already. They send everything and the kitchen sink to the nazis in Ukraine, including manpower. And they are still losing...So not sure what they think they can do by putting on a piece of paper that Ukraine gets article 5 like security guarantees, because that's exactly what Ukraine is already getting, with disastrous results.
Incorrect. it's all about the european security agreement. Because USA (through NATO) wants to control everything. And Russia is not willing to allow that. The NATO expansion to the east was/is USA's attempt to continue its hegemonic interests and Ukraine was another cog in the machine, one very useful because it was right next to Russia and it's a huge country with dozens of millions of cannon fodder to serve the evil interests of the USA psychopaths.
Also your lack of knowledge of history, continues to impress. Russia tried to enter NATO and was immediately denied, because the USA evil cabal wants full control over its vassals, It does not allow peer super powers to be next to it.
USA / NATO cannot sustain any war for a long time. They either go nuclear and get wiped out as well, or they will continue using proxies. Ukraine is an excellent proxy, willing to destroy itself to please its master. Afghans realized very quickly and decided not to die for the evil master that invaded them. Ukrainians overall don't have the brain matter to do that.
It looks like its already solved quite a lot, or didn't you see the supreme leader of the EU being summoned across the Atlantic only to be told she is irrelevant and told to sit in the corridor.
Not only is the SMO achieving its objectives in Ukraine proper, it is also stretching the EU to breaking point and exposing its glaring weaknesses for the world to see.
Indeed. And let's not forget that a stated goal of the war was de-militarize and de-nazify Ukraine. And Russia is not just achieving that, but is also achieving de-militarization of the entire NATO, because the SMO exposed how bad industry is in USA and its vassals in Europe. And in Europe, especially, in dumb land Germany, they even made decisions to cripple themselves in terms of energy, which would be vital for industry development of any kind. With the current policies, Germany destroyed itself and any potential for growth, to please the USA. Europe is being vassalage. It's just a plain slave with chains.
Any chance you can actually point out specifically what is incorrect in my comment, or are you just going to do your little attention seeking verbal dance?
Why do you have to resort to extremes? Just because the SMO looks to be going successfully in my opinion doesnt mean its sacred to me. You have some bizarre ways of expressing yourself.
Who are you trying to impress here, why don't you just point out why you think I'm wrong without all these histrionics? Are you the substack bully or something?
So the SMO had nothing to do with VdL being humiliated in front of the world and the rest of the main EU leaders looking like naughty school children being given detention?
True about keeping promises or even written agreements.
Whenever a country is ”governed” by the Deep State, who has no accountability to the public voters, there is this problem. And if you have some tribesmen doing politic behind hidden doors it is hard to now who is signing the agreement and the worth of it. Never forget when Obongo signed the closing of Guantanamo illegal prison but nothing happened at all…
US has a deep problem so to say.
If Trump signs something, Gavin Newsom will tear it up when the demonrats install him as next President.
I doubt Trump will be able to kill the Deep State within US, he has certainly proved is alligiance to the tribesmen of Israel.
hey, hey, hey -- not so quick! The US president can take us to war with Russia by providing air defense and offensive air capabilities to Ukraine. If Ukraine can't fucking defend itself, it shouldn't be in a war. And DJT is NOT taking the US into this more deeply.
He already did. The orange idiot already owns this war. He did before during his first term, when he was sending money and weapons to Ukraine and was nearly inpeeched because of a call with nazi dictator Zelensky, and used those money and weapons as a "quid pro quo". The money and weapons still went to Ukraine. Today, Trump owns the war directly and he's making things worse by constantly threatening Russia, China, India, Brazil, Iran, etc and whoever doesn't agree with USA. Trump is a warmonger of the worst kind. And if to protect his nazi friends in Ukraine, goes the secondary sanctions route against China for example, USA will pay a really heavy price and I will certainly love it. The orange idiot is idiot enough to do it.
It is sad, but it is the reality of our times. The Trump administration can't even normalize relations with Russia, so they have nothing to offer. All they can do is scurry away from the Ukraine ignominiously, keep on fighting until certain defeat or the unthinkable.
People will continue dying and suffering because western financial capital needs Russian, Iranian, Chinese, Syrian et al. resources. Looters (money lenders)need more Loot by any means. The big-time cannibals and thieves reside at The City of London & FedReserve; they are served by moral eunuchs and compradors occupying the US congress and EU parliament.
Can't or doesn't want to ? Trump administration is simply continuing the Biden policies, but doing it worse. Biden at least owned the fact he was a warmonger. He stated it publicly every time he could. Trump however, claims to be a "peacemaker", while doing everything a true warmonger would do. A liar, deceitful, blabber mouth orange idiot that says one thing one day and the opposite 5 minutes later. Trump is absurdly untrustworthy, more even than Biden, which I thought could not happen so soon...I was clearly wrong.
The lying of Trump and Biden before him is a sympthom of the ungovernable state of the US as well as of the patent duplicity that government has always shown. The factions all want their money and their war and their dog and pony shows now, before the whole thing goes under and there is no strategy except the chaos strategy. The presidency just dodges the internal obstacles to try to impose their goals, but it’s a muddle. This excuses no crimes but explains the inconsistensy. It's a oligarchy in “Aprés moi, le déluge” mode. Some of them even understand it.
LOL you're giving the europeans too much credit. The plan was created by USA, not europeans. Europeans don't have the brains to do anything. They're just vassals, corrupt slaves that will do anything for their master.
The hubris of USA was that they thought Russia would simply collapse over sanctions, which is why initially they weren't sending heavy weapons to Ukraine. When Russia was not kneeling over sanctions, that's when the west started sending tanks and missiles and all that. And they continued escalating, as Russia continued to not only resist the western attacks, but actually move forward in Ukraine and decimating the ukrainian military. The plan was never to reach this point. The RAND report form 2019 basically proves it. The intention was to use the proxy to destabilize and over extend Russia, not to get involved like they are now and are still losing. Which is why desperation is settling in, because a defeat of Ukraine means the end of NATO.
There are those that constantly talk about Ukraine needing to be in NATO, etc etc, but that's BS. Ukraine is already in NATO. Ukraine is already receiving more than any country every did, including the USA when it triggered article 5 after the attacks in 2001, from NATO. Ukraine has received everything from weapons, ammunition, intelligence, communications, money and manpower from the west, like no other country ever did. Ukraine is already in NATO and once it is defeated, NATO is obsolete.
USA never fought any war for the interests of others. Only their own. In fact most of the time, USA created the wars themselves, which is the case of this one.
Yes, of course the US created WWI, tricking Franz Josef to visit Sarajevo with the promises of some new ragtime records, and forced Germany to attack Poland, the poor dears. They also enticed Britain and France to attack Libya, etc. etc..
I do, because I did my homework. In 2014 I was like many here, that just consume western media and that's it. But many things didn't add up and I started looking for answers elsewhere and my eyes were finally open.
And they were open to the evil nature of USA and its vassals. There's no way to sugar coat it nor are there any rabid anti-US rants, Just exposing USA and the vast majority of USA people for what they really are.
I think that is a wrong evaluation of reality. The US has so far provided reconnaissance and tactical support also for long range attacks.This is very valuable as Ukraine does not have that capability and the Europe has limited ones which is why the US returned back so fast after the Zelensky scene in the white house earlier this year. The US is behind the scenes in all that is happening even if they do not do the fighting and they do not control all that Ukrainian military does. Removing that support would be a huge blow even if Ukraine would probably continue the fight afterwards. Also it is not so that the NATO can do much w/o the US.
The whole gig in which the US pretends to be a neutral negotiator is just a scam and a relatively successful one.
Yes. This looks more and more as the Nothing-burger on the menu.
And how could it be otherwise?
Why didnt Russia do the job of blasting Flextronics long before?
Why do they suddenly choose Zircon for wiping out some Command chains?
Yeah…they experienced the Uki ability to reach deep into Russia and really hurt the oil&gas production. Ukraine even scratched on some buildings for Russian key drone manufacturing.
The biggest elephant in the room is still the SMO and its objectives. Thanks to Simplicius splendid summarys and analysis (and him giving credit to Suriyaks efforts) we can all see that the major operations are in Donbass and the oblast of Donetsk. The missing part is what it is all about. Even the ”negotiations” are about this part of land when Putin himself is dangling a ceasefire if he gets it. But what happens next? Where on the Map do we find Peace?
Interesting to read that Israel has finally openly taking sides with Ukraine, providing those radars. Will Russia answer? They have critizised (of sorts) the genocide in Palestine but are as always reluctant to anger all Oligarchs.
Losses….
Someone gave the figure of amputees in Ukraine, 120 000, and stated that ”normally” that points to a Kill ratio of 9:1. That would mean 1 million Ukrainian men in the the black earth now.
But I think that all those FPV:s is doing the maiming creating all limbs and arms flying in the air.
After June 12 any Trump threats have to be taken extremely seriously.
He did threaten Iran with a two-month deadline, then Iran was hit on the 61st day, then Trump publicly gloated about how they didn't listen and were hit on the 61st day.
After that particular situation any time Trump opens his mouth with even a vague threat about something bad happening to someone, it has to be taken as a deadly serious threat and acted upon accordingly, up to an including pre-emptive strikes.
Especially in Russia's case, because Russia's size and capabilities mean that if Trump is going to follow up on verbal threats with kinetic action, that kinetic action will have to be something correspondingly grandiose in scope and power.
I am not excluding those possibilities although I think the Iran Mordow/Natanz puncture was a grand gesture to his Israeli lieblings and their project for a New Israel.
Sending long-range weapons to Ukraine is an alternative but then we can forget talks - it would only be explosions hereafter.
Same if he orders an attack on Russia.
Putin has cleverly played along with Trump but is running on a knifeedge. Once Trump gets scuffed you will be his eternal enemy.
What Trump has done is to show Russia that they do not have all the time in the World to take Donetsk ( and that it is better to negotiate this part of the land).
Still we are edging on your favourite scenario: All nukes out.
The most obvious target right now is a collapse of the oil and gas infrastructure in Western Siberia and the Urals.
We are talking about very remote regions where pinpoint drone strikes on pipelines and pumping stations can take out the whole network for a long time as there are many very difficult to access places where those are located in, making repairs slow. The drone just has to fly there and blow up the pipeline, the repair crews have to bring in replacement segments and heavy equipment, over near-impassable swamp and forest terrain.
Very worryingly, and something that of course nobody paid attention to, back in May drones were reported flying on multiple occasions in the Khanty-Mansiysk and Yamalo-Nenetsk regions. It was not specified what kind of drones these were, but given that there were no sightings of them in between those remote places and Ukraine, that there was no way for those to get there from Ukraine, 3000 km away, and that Operation Spiderweb happened shortly after, most likely they were smaller drones launched from within the area. There were no strikes there at the time, but again, Operation Spiderweb happened shortly after, and quite clearly the oil infrastructure in that region is a target too.
Those are very, very soft, impossible to defend targets.
All five bases of the strategic aviation were attacked plus the base of the AWACS fleet, with enough drones to take out all planes.
What saved the planes was that in Ukrainka the truck was stopped before the drones could deploy, in Belaya bystanders jumped on top of it and prevented half of the drones from taking off, and in Engels and Dyagilevo they have been under drone attacks for three years so they had experience in defending against them.
That may indeed happen. Just about every action & potential act, for man as well as the state, is best viewed through the lens of “not necessarily, but if necessary”.
The only reason I can think of for the Russians attacking the electronics factory now is the Ukrainians are closer to manufacturing long range missiles.
"final run" suggests we are near the end, but I think the marathon has a long way to go.
Ukraine's long-range missiles are not built in Ukraine.
Why, when manufacturing can be carried out in a NATO country, safe from any Russian strikes and transported freely over undamaged transport infrastructure?
What ? When did Putin talk about a ceasefire if Russia gets Donbass ? You are of course reading too much western media and assuming it's true. But the reaction by any rational person in regards to western media is: it's all a lie, it's all propaganda, go find other sources.
Western media is nothing more than CIA propaganda And it's not just in USA. All over Europe this is the case. In Portugal, portuguese "media" does absolutely no journalism. it simply translates to portuguese what the CIA powered Washington Post and New York Times write.
As for the ukrainian nazis ability to strike Russia's energy facilities, this is nothing new and it's something Ukrane couldn't do without the support of the entirety of NATO. And let's not forget the so called "energy ceasefire" from a couple of months ago that Trump claimed to have brokered, which Ukraine did not respect, without a single complaint from Trump's side. Why ? Because that's what USA and its vassals do. They propose to do something, but never respect it, while expecting the other side to respect it fully. This was, in my view, one of Russia's biggest blunders. They should NEVER agree to anything the west wants.
Still, Ukraine's ability to cause damage to russian energy facilities ir paltry compared to what Russia does to Ukraine's energy facilities. It's impossible to prevent all damage, but the damage caused by Russia is orders of magnitude larger than what Ukraine can do to Russia.
Ad this is true across the board. Russian soldiers do more damage to ukrainian soldiers, than the opposite, because the attrition that was the stated goal of the SMO since its start, is working very well.
And these numbers from the hackers are perfectly in line with what most that actually follow this war (e.g. those that do not read western media, except for a laugh) have known for a while.
Ukraine is not kidnapping people off the streets, because it's "winning" like western media claims even today. It's not expanding cemeteries to hundreds of thousands of graves, because it's "dominating on the battlefield". it's not begging for more weapons and money and also sanctions against Russia, because it's putting Russia's war machine and economy in "tatters". it does all hat, because its army is reduced to almost nothing. Most of its best trained nazis are either dead or wounded. Ukraine has lack of everything on the battlefields and relies on drones to mitigate their lack of infantry, which everyone that understands war in the slightest, knows is not doable, especially when the lack of components t make more drones, will just make things worse and worse for the ukrainian nazis.
As for the final run, what do you mean ? Are you talking about the "negotiations" or the war itself ?
"Negotiations" in this war are irrelevant and serve only one purpose: optics.
USA is the provoker and creator of this war. it can never be a mediator or setter of demands in it. This is why I said earlier Russia did very bad in accepting the "energy ceasefire" from a few months ago, because it told the USA, the provoker and creaor of this war, that russians are open to accept conditions from the main responsible for this war.
Hopefully that doesn't happen again and Russia continues what it is doing: de-militarizing and de-nazifying Ukraine. And in this process, also de-militarizing NATO too.
As for the war, I have no doubts it's much closer to its end. AS I mentioned and we all know it, Ukraine's army is but a shadow of its former self. They can try and plug the large holes with people kidnapped off the streets, but that means people with no training taking positions on a battlefield. They won't last long. Ukriane's economy is wrecked, Ukraine's industry is wrecked. Ukraine depends exclusively on the financing and weapons supplies of western countries, most of them in recession or with severe debt / economic problems.
And things will only get much worse for the west, if they insist on the sanctions / stealing russian assets. So yeah, the war won't end tomorrow or this year, but it's much closer to its end and Ukraine will cease to exist, something that is beneficial for the entire world.
European countries however, especially the majority that support the nazi sin Ukraine, will get an influx of nazis and terrorism like never before. But this is the consequence for supporting the most disgusting ideology / people on planet Earth. Plus europeans as a whole love nazism, so perhaps they won't matter as much, a long as it's ukrainians doing the terror. They will blame it on the russians of course.
Please let me know the large scale protests in Europe to stop funding, arming and supporting the ukrainian nazis. They don't exist. If you're still in doubt because you are an european and you don't support nazis, then you forget there are 400+ million other europeans that do or stay in silence about it. Just go out on the streets in any european country and ask someone who they support: Ukraine or Russia. 99% will say Ukraine, the remaining 1% will say nothing at all. The support for Ukraine is a de-facto support of nazism, or changing history, of banning languages, of ethnic cleansing, all of which most europeans either support directly or stay silent about it. And please don't say stayin silent about it is not supporting it, because it is. If you are really against something, you say you are against it. Those that aren't against it (or don't care about ethnic cleansings as long as its not them) are supporting it as well.
Sadly, the DEI fantasy here in the USA doesn't take into account the long suffering Russians for consideration....the age old enemy that is reliably called upon for the US hate-fest. The largely ignorant US population just doesn't "do" history so they are easily manipulated to hate anyone, as needed, especially the Russians. This is why we can't have nice things here in the US. Bigly sad.
Across Europe there are large scale protests about the Israeli genocide in Gaza. However, the same people who protest Gaza remain silent or support the proxy war of the West in Ukraine. Here in the UK the anti war movement has as its sole focus: Gaza. Most of the unions condemn the genocide in Gaza but also support the imperialist proxy war in Ukraine. Across the country there are meetings to help set up the new 'left' party to be led by former Labour Party leader Corbyn. At the meetings I've attended or seen online I've not heard anyone come out and oppose the proxy war in Ukraine.
Russophobia is so deeply ingrained in Western societies.
Um, don't you think that the Russians have more pressing business at hand...like surviving the whole of the west snarling at their heels? I'd give the Russians a pass on this point. The more relevant consideration is why the silence the official west has maintained in relation to Gaza and the behavior of Israel. Riddle me THAT Batman.
Exactly. And the Gaza protests by those people really mean nothing. it's just the so called "virtue signaling". Like some of the european "leaders" claiming to want to recognize the state of Palestine, while supporting Israel with weapons and ammunition and political support everywhere, to continue its genocide in Gaza. Most western people are worthless, have no values nor principles and is more concerned about the optics. What others think of them. Most people in western countries, if asked who they support - Russia or Ukraine - in a public place, will say they support Ukraine, even if they really don't in private (a minority either way) Again, they have no values nor principles. They support whoever or whatever the TV tells them to support and what makes them look better. USA was the worst offender in this regard, With most of its population just being basically retards that follow whatever their government tells them. But europeans are very much like that too now, Absolute brainless zombies that for the most part, support whatever the government tells them to support.
The Allies didn't fight Germany because they were Nazis, they fought Nazis because they were the government in Germany. The idea that WWII was a war against fascism is a modern myth. None of the European governments except Russia sent any aid to the legitimately elected government of Spain when they were fighting fascist rebels and many sent aid to the fascists. If Hitler had been a Social Democrat, but still done all the things he did in the run up to WWII, Britain would still have declared war on him.
Plus countries like Finland and others in Europe, were openly supportive of the german nazis, so european supporting nazis is nothing new, for those that know history...which unfortunately is not the case of most europeans and why the same mistakes are made.
And that disputes what I said about Finland in what way ? Finland sided with the german nazis, as did other europeans countries. These are historical facts. If you want to dispute them, then use an argument that actually relates to what I wrote.
Also, as I've mentioned to you in other posts / threads, israelis / jews are not different than nazis / fascists. They prove that every single day. And who is backing them ? The same that backs the ukrainian nazis: USA and europeans. The usual suspects that support every extremist ideology.
I you look deeper and research, the 2 World Wars were more of a fight against socialism than fascism. That is the whole Iron Curtain business. Funny how Nazis transitioned into the new West Germany system, running the intelligence, government and how the US seemed to cherry pick the worst of the German and Japanese war criminals.
they are not "nazi" stop using this jew slur word. Are they nationals socialists? NSDAP? German? this word is just to distract from the jew.
Maybe russia should hit occupied palestine where the jew mobile radars are produced. Also hit that stupid Roman stable wall and laugh at the chicken swingers...
Look at how easily they embraced this round of nazism- like they're waiting for it. To them, "nazism" brings "order.' Look who is in the EU governments - who were their parents/grandparents?
Oh, I'm well aware that her grandpa was Ukrainian Goebbels who lived in Lviv in the house confiscated from the jews, when Russians diplomates brought it up at the begining of SMO, they're deported from Canada
Yes. My fault, Putin has not expressed it openly in Television. It is ”leaks” and could be disinformation. But, think again. Why would CIA spread this when we all know this is big no-no for Ukraine. Their entire defense is depending on this area (hard to believe that either). The SMO is centered on this area so I think it is true that Putin will be satisfied with getting whole of Donetsk.
Remember that US just now stopped sharing any information with its western partners regarding the negotiations with Russia/Ukraine. The leaks were from UK/France.
If Russia has crippled Ukraine energy infrastructure - how come they party in Kiev and Odessa all night long? How come those factorys/workshop still running 24/7?
Diminishing the damage done to precious Russian infrastructure is self-betrayal.
I dont understand this: ”because the attrition that was the stated goal of the SMO since its start”. So a long attritional War (sorry, special operation) was the plan from the beginning? I cant find any evidence of this sort of statement.
The final run is the showdown, the end, the gritty truth overwhelming us.
You write as I were a US Bootlicker - I am not.
What is evident is that Russia is too weak to force Ukraine into surrender - and they dont even has this as a goal! When all actions on ground and ”negotiations” spin around the four oblast you can forget about de-nazifying or de-militarization.
Ask yourself why Europeans are fearing the ”wrath” of Trump more than Russian revenge? They lap-dance around daddy Donald and the other second calling Putin a flesh-eating troll (Macron two days ago).
Russia cant win this War, sorry succeed with the SMO, being nice.
No, it's not. And russians, including Putin, have been very clear about it. The only condition to reach a possible ceasefire, is the withdrawl of ukrainians from the 4 regions, not just Donbass. This is what the russians say for more than a yar now, not a single comma was changed.
All that you mentioned, was/is/will be only propaganda from the west, to claim the russians and compromising after all.
And why would the CIA spread that ? Because it works with the dumb european masses. I can tell you that in Portugal, what is on the TV 24/7 is that Russia is weak and its economy is failing and Russia wants to get out of the war as soon as possible, so it will accept whatever the west wants. And when Russia re-states what it already said more than 1 year ago, portuguese media claims Russia is acting in bad faith and going back on tis word, etc etc, when in fact it's western media using itself as a source, to claim things Russia never said. And you did the same just now, which is the typical argument from a brainwashed westerner.
Also, this condition for a ceasefire by the russians, is also one that they know Ukraine and more importantly USA, will never accept, because that effectively means the defeat of USA and the west as a whole. It means the collapse of NATO and European Union, because whether people like to accept it or not, Ukraine is completely controlled by USA / NATO already. It is part of NATO already. It trained every single nazi in Ukraine, every single ukrainian military and they are still losing. Every weapon the ukrainian nazis use, is from NATO. All intelligence ukrainians have, comes from NATO. All of it. And it's being destroyed. Do you think NATO can ever beat Russia, even though what was the best and largest army in NATO, is being destroyed by Russia ?
This is why europeans want the support of the terrorist country of USA. But USA knows every well they can't beat Russia either, in a conventional war. And if it goes nuclear USA is wiped off the map too.
As for "Russia crippling Ukraine but not really", because Ukraine is the largest country in western Europe. Did you know that ? Perhaps look at a map sometime. Russia has many resources, but not infinite. It cannot fire missiles at every building in Ukraine. It prioritizes targets according to intelligence gathering and strike them. You can be sure that if Russia gets Intel that some building is making drones or whatever, that building will come down very soon. For everything else, it takes time to gather information and assign targets.
You seem to be from what I call the "Call of Duty" generation, another CIA propaganda vehicle, where a single man can destroy entire armies and win wars. That doesn't happen. Wars are about resources, logistics, management. Whoever has more and better resources, logistics and management, wins. But it takes time, especially in a large country like Ukraine, that is being armed and financed by 30+ countries.
I didn't diminish the damage to russian infrastructure, but Russia has more of it and the means to fix the damage much faster.
You on the other hands want to make it more than it really is. It's damage no doubt, but compared to what Russia does to Ukraine, it's nothing, unles you think some drones can do more damage than hypersonic or regular cruise missiles, but then I cannot help you there.
Regarding the attrition war, you clearly don't know much about this war, yet here you are talking about it.
No, the russians didn't want a war at all. They went into Ukraine in 2022, after 2 failed Minsk accords, because Ukraine and the west refused to follow them and after russian proposals to rectify Europe's security to prevent further NATO expansion. All refused by te west and USA especially, in 2021.
In 2022 Russia enters Ukraine with a clear goal, to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table, which they did in Istambul in March-April 2022,.
These negotiations led to an agreement between Russia and Ukraine, which again the west sabotaged, especially by UK and USA.
This is when the war really started. However Russia did not have much military in Ukraine at that time. Perhaps 150-200k at most.
And it wasn't prepared for a long term war, because that wasn't its goal. Russia continued the war to capture important cities in Donbass, like Mariupol, but it was trying to re-arrange its military internally while doing so. Near the end of 2022 with Ukraine's Kharkov push, it was clear Russia did not have enough manpower to go against a much larger ukrainian army, that was willing to sacrifice thousands, to take territory from the russians.
This is when Russia did its partial mobilization and when the manpower balancing started. With this partial mobilization and all the volunteers, Russia has now parity / more man power than the ukrainians. Plus the scaling and re-purpose of industry in Russia, allows Russia today to have more of everything than a Ukraine supported by 30+ countries. Again all this takes time. It's not "Call of Duty".
Since the start that the goal was to de-militarize and de-nazify Ukraine. Putin himself stated it in 24 February 2022 when Russia went into Ukraine. But it wasn't a purely military operation. It was mostly a diplomatic one at the start. The agreement of Istambul covered many of these issues, while others were left to be discussed later. But that failed, thanks to the west again, at which point Russia was forced into solving the issue militarily.
You may not be a US bootlicker, but your arguments are the typical brainwashed westerner "arguments", based on western media lies, propaganda and deception.
Russia is not too weak to force Ukraine into surrender. Attrition is working and Ukraine and the west are in desperation mode. They are the ones wanting / begging for ceasefires, not Russia. Only those losing want ceasefires. Also, Ukraine and ukrainians are just too stupid to prevent their ecxtintion, by not accepting to surrender. Which is why the west doesn't let them go. They will never find people s dumb and stupid like Ukrainians, that are willing to destroy their whole country, to please USA and its european vassals. Destroy themselves to please the most disgusting, evil people on earth, says everything about ukrainians, especially those in the center and western Ukraine.
Again, you keep giving "negotiations" too much importance, because that's what western emdia tells you and you believe it. Negotiations are plain theater, precisely to deceive people like you, that think they mean anything. Negotiations exist because orange idiots like Trump want to look like the "peacemaker", while being an actual warmonger of the worst kind. Trump cannot be trusted and Russia knows this. Also whatever Trump says he will do, means nothing. Whatever Trump signs, means nothing also, because anyone else in USA, will revert it. The russians have talked about this many times, they know about it....of course, you don't, because you only know about what russians say, by means of western media e.g. you know nothing about what the russians really say.
You stll don't know what the European Union is. it's a USA creation, controlled by USA. that does nothing without the approval of USA. it's like Ukraine, at a larger scale.
Whatever USA wants, European Union does. That's it. So not sure about your surprise about europeans lap dancing (you word) around Trump. That's their "job".
Russia can and will win this war. it's the west that cannot win this war, as the evidence clearly shows. Again, it's the west wanting a ceasefire, it's the west trying to steal russian assets, it's the west pushing for more and more sanctions. Do you think that if the west was winning, they would do any of this ? If you do, well then you understand even less of reality than I thought. Ukraine is just a sacrificial lamb to the west, but they can't let it go now. It cost too much (sunk cost fallacy at play) and they will never find more dumb people like ukrainians to be their nazi dogs.
"What is evident is that Russia is too weak to force Ukraine into surrender - and they dont even has this as a goal! "
All that is evident is that Russia has not yet forced Ukraine into a surrender for the second time. Why this is is a matter of complete speculation, there could be many reasons for it, including the one you give, which is that doing so is not part of the plan. It is entirely possible that, after their experiences the first time, they have thought twice about pursuing the same course of action again.
What is far more likely is that Russia is looking at the big picture, which is that NATO wants to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, something about which NATO have made no secret. They realise that there is no point in defeating Ukraine if it just means they end up fighting a rearmed Europe five or six years down the line. Since 2014, Ukraine has been a pawn in a bigger process. It started as NATO, through its proxy trying to "extend and weaken" Russia and is now Russia using NATO's proxy as a bargaining chip to construct a security architecture in Europe that doesn't have, on the Western side, an organisation that is specifically anti-Russian. Unfortunately, on the Western side, there are far too many for whom anything that isn't anti-Russian is pro-Russian.
Many thanks for the detailed and clear-headed description/summary of what's happening on the ground. The trained seal population here in the US doesn't really know much about what's going on "over there". They vaguely agree that Ukraine must be supported because Putin is evil personified and MUST BE STOPPED. Americans can't be bothered to read/study history so dissembling and threadbare propaganda must fill the gap. Even now, the average American couldn't locate Ukraine on a map. Luckily the NFL is ramping up so Joe Six-pack can move onto the really important stuff. Depressing doesn't begin to describe the situation. The Russians have to bring in the "smelling salts" of destruction on Brit, German and French soil. Nothing less will get their attention.
A slight edit to your reference to USA - it no longer exists as a sovereign nation.
DaUS = USRAEL......for all practical purposes.....however, stay tuned for changes coming. Nothing is static and DaSynagogue of Satan will discover that fact just like it did in 70 AD.
It's the USSA. We traded places with the USSR of 40 years ago. While Russia has become the land of the free and home of the brave, not subject to western woke bullshit... Chip
It's not prejudices. It's exactly what you wrote. All based on claims, lies and propaganda of western media, which basically lies to you every second of every day.
Politicugal, I totally agree about the forthcoming terrorist backlash in Europe by highly motivated, very angry and given the circumstances not unreasonable Ukrainians. They will seek revenge and to avenge their fallen relatives. The sad bit is the targets they select will not be Boris Johnson nor Keir Starmer, MI6 HQ, City of London Head Offices nor anything like that, the people and agencies directly responsible. It will be ordinary people out doing a bit of shopping or just living their ordinary lives. Just like their brother, cousin, or uncle who was shoved in a van and ended up dead after four hours in Bakhmut for example.
Yeah, it's a de-facto reality. Ukrainian nazis are roaming european streets by the thousands now. And there will be more as time goes by, because european countries "have" to accept them, no matter what, or their narrative of Ukraine being a saint, innocent country, with no nazis at all, falls to the ground.
As for their targets, I agree with what your saying, but it's time for europeans to stop thinking they are victims in these regards. They are not. If they are these wonderful democracies, then they are reponsible for selecting the absolute filth that are the european "leaders" and thus are responsible for everything that is happening too.
If they are not these wonderful democracies, then europeans really need to shut up about that.
We tried fairly recently to elect leaders who would work for our interest, rather than just sucking up to yours. Those who won office, you murdered or neutered.
USA out of Europe. Then the peoples' wills will be once again meaninhgful.
Are you sure you wanted to reply to me ? That seems directed to someone from USA, which I'm definitely not.
Everything else, agreed. As I mentioned in another post, USA people should be blocked from entering every other country. USA people are like cancer. Wherever they go, they cause problems, chaos and death.
Yes, more in the US. Still, in spite of the "stab in the back" and the US being teeming with weapons, we didn't see any Ukrainian terrorism. (There *were* actual attacks in Canada between representatives of the older, pro-Soviet Ukrainian settlement, and the SS veterans and their spawn.)
Yes, we didn't see it yet, but only because it would be the fanatics doing it, and so far and even by now, the fanatics "still believe." Only when the fanatics get disillusioned/feel betrayed, we'll see the outcome.
There are a lot of Ukrainian Canadians here, some of whom I know. Our neighbours were the Kovalchuk's. In fact, grade school consisted of kids from pretty well all nationalities, with their own churches too. (even a synagogue) We've had a large influx of East Indians lately, at about a million a year, but all the ones I've met and know are decent. The ladies are sweet, and when they talk in a group, it's like birds singing, a cacophony of pleasing and varied sounds. Anyway...
A million East Indians a year are immigrating to Canada?? Uhhh, no there aren't - 2024 total immigrants was around 450k, all nationalities. (Still a lot, but nowhere near a million)
I agree with you, Politugal. I have commented before how Europe will pay dearly for the support of the Banderites/ Nazi's, maybe the US to a lesser degree. I believe it is starting in Poland already, any Ukrainian that is not killed will escape to wherever and they will take their anger out on the civilians. It happens wherever the US interferes and supports the worst of a population with money, weapons, and a sense of entitlement. I am not sure what the Russian objective is in meeting with Trump but it most likely has to do with something other than Ukraine.
Russia is only doing its part for the theater. Remember how Putin and Lavrov constantly talk about that the war can only end when the root causes of it are solved ? The root cause is the USA. This is a clear message to USA, said indirectly. Obviously USA people don't care, because they are evil terrorists and don't accept blame for what they always do. But stating it clearly, is evidence enough that the talks are just "diplomatic speak", nothing more and nothing less. And don't forget the orange idiot wants the worthless nobel peace prize, because since the terrorist Obama got one, Trump wants it too, regardless if he actually does anything for peace, which in the need is what happened with Obama too. Did nothing for peace, in fact fueled many wars and created others, yet won the nobel peace prize. This is how vapid and without values and principles USA people and Trump in particular, are. So the talks are just the continuation of the theater for the orange idiot to claim he's a "peacemaker"
As for europeans, they will reap what they sow. Supporting nazis, siding with facism and nazism, never ends well. it won't end well this time either.
Yea and when he did something, it was more wars and more chaos all over the world. The nobel organization lost all credibility with that one. And if Trump is even nominated, we will reach absurd levels of "the russians destroyed their own pipelines, even though they could just turn off the tap"
"And don't forget the orange idiot wants the worthless nobel peace prize, because since the terrorist Obama got one, Trump wants it too,"
The virtuous Swedes should acknowledge the fabulousness of Trump and his double-plus-good accomplishments and run a one time sale and give DJT a six-pack of Nobel "prizes". Yup...he's just that special.
If the nobel organization lost all credibility and are in the ground now, with the Obama prize, they will go below ground if Trump is even nominated for a peaca prize too.
What he did to Iran alone, is the perfect demonstration of the evil goblin Trump is. Absolute filth, piece of trash "person". If that warrants a "peace prize", the word peace lost all meaning.
Oh I focus on that too. I'm against absolutely EVERYTHING the "jew" (israelis) and its master USA, do and publicly state it. Israel and israelis overall are evil, just like the ukrainian nazis. However, this article is about the Ukraine war, so I stick to the topic at hand.
I would say that Russia is genociding the Ukrainians. If they end up killing 10m before this is all done do we call it genocide or just firepower overmatch.
The humane thing to do was to nuke a million of them on day one to end the SMO, now the world gets to watch as several million die over the years. For those that say Russia is ready for the long war, are they ready to have the stain of 10+ million Ukrainians on their watch?
It has already been said, IF they keep forcing Ukrops into uniforms and march them to the front at the point of a gun, The Russians will keep killing them. IF the US stopped the money laundering and the profit from weaons sales the war would have ended over a year ago. The Russian conscious is clear
John Thomas. Percentage of casualties in Ukraine who are children 0.3%. Percentage of casualties in Gaza who are kids 37.7%.
One is a war, one is a genocide.
Your hypothetical 10 million deaths is not really an argument, as there is little evidence off Russians purposefully attacking non-military targets. If hypothetically they suddenly start indiscriminately killing every Ukrainian they can, then yes hypothetically that would be a genocide. But there is no indication that they are doing that.
Russia is not killing ukrainians, because it wants to. Russia is killing ukrainians, because ukrainians are the attack dogs of the west, that were genociding ethnic russians in eastern Ukraine for more than 8 years since 2014.
You are too brainwashed by western media that constantly uses the "unprovked attack by Russia" narrative, when there was nothing unprovoked about it. For more than 8 years, ukrainians bombed, tortured, raped, executed eastern ukrainians / ethnic russians, because they were ethnic russians or spoke russian or had any connection to Russia and did not accept the nazi government installed by USA in 2014, in Ukraine.
And right now, there's no better example of genocide than the genocide USA / Israel / European Union are doing in Gaza. The true axis of evil: USA / NATO / European Union / Israel and Ukraine
And i would like to add that this article indirectly highlights one of the most important contradictions of the "not-war":
On the one hand, we have the Putin fanboys & gals insisting that Russia must fight the not-war with a velvet glove, because "muh Slavic brothers", and not go hard after the dual use infrastructure like railways, bridges, electrical power grid, ports, and any such stuff.
On the other hand, we have already likely close to 1 million "brotherly Slavs" (mostly conscripted dudes and mostly from the Russian-speaking regions of UKR) already butchered in the battlefield. While Russia has refrained until recently to systematically hit purely military-industrial targets like that electronics plant.
To recap: Russia apparently does not want to take out the UKR power grid and send the warfighting capabilities of the UKR to the 19thC because then poor grandmas would have to fetch water from the river by hand and then climb 5 flights of stairs to reach her apartment and then cook using an LPG stove, but 1 FREAKING MILLION of dead and amputated folks are pretty much OK. Strange sense of ethics, i would say.
And of course Israel arming UKR with advanced arms while Putin having put always Israel first before Syria because of "my brotherly dual passport holders living in Tel Aviv" is also a bit contradictory... But, the current state of the world's affairs is much easier to make sense of when we understand that the Oligarchs of the World DO have a sense of class, while we peasants have been conditioned that such things are bad and and outdated.
IMO the SMO will continue only until Russian Oligarchs & political Elites feel safe that they will not be Gaddaffi'ed / Saddam Hussein'ed / military putsched in the future.
And speaking about ethics and shyte: why did the Russian missile forces spare the employees of that electronics plants? After all, those specialist workers are very difficult to replace and in the aggregate war effort are worth many times their numbers of front line infantry.
So, it is fine to kill construction workers and farmers conscripted into the army but to eliminate the workers that build the weapon systems that are most lethal to your own troops is somewhat regrettable?
The Western media (pro-Ukraine/pro-Israel) reports extensively on Palestinian deaths in Gaza, but barely reports on tens of thousands of Ukrainian deaths. How does this paradox make sense?
because the Jew is committing a genocide in Palestine and the jew controlled "western" media distracts from the genocide in Palestine to focus retard attention on Ukraine where civilian deaths are minimal (comparatively)
I agree. Hard to understand the Russian seeming lack of (apparent lack of) enthusiasm in degrading important infrastructure. I read that they are now targeting locomotives so rail cars that need Russian-width rail lines are immobilized. Now? Huh?
I think you'll find it's not the Russians conscripting Ukrainians into the army. But, on the other hand, it is the Russians targeting civilian (dual use?) infrastructure. Certainly some nuance in intent don't you agree?
"The biggest elephant in the room is still the SMO and its objectives."
The SMO from the Russian POV comes down to 2 things. Firstly, after the collapse of the USSR many ethnic Russians became citizens of the newly independent republics. Ukraine being a case in point. The east is full of ethnic Russians and after the 2014 coup they were targeted by the new government. The Russians were always going to protect their fellow Russians wherever they were. The SMO is a strong message to many other countries with similar minority Russian communities. Secondly the Russian need Ukraine as a defensive buffer. It is their soft underbelly. The US knows this and used these issue to launch a proxy war, hoping to weaken Europe and Russia. Unfortunately for them Russia prevailed and the balance of power has swung way out of balance. Dangerous times.
>The fact that the tweet came at the same time that Trump was giving his two-week ultimatum and hint of “changing direction” seems to imply that Trump could give Ukraine offensive weapons to “attack” Russia
And the Kremlin is going to do what in response? Keep praising Trump's effort at achieving lasting peace?
>The most interesting was a factory in Mukachevo, in the Zakarpattia region, reportedly belonging to the American Flextronics corporation.
The usual:
1) Why has this not been hit so far?
2) Does it really even matter given that the Polish border is wide open and weapons will be simply manufactured outside Ukraine and just launched from it
3) When are factories outside Ukraine going to be hit? Those in Russia are no longer off limits once whatever format of the war the Kremlin initially agreed on the West (who could have guessed it?) reneged on?
More of the usual here:
>If hostilities were to restart thereafter, Russia would have nothing but free countryside to pass through, provided that enough time had not elapsed allowing Ukraine to build new fortifications there.
Russia has had the free countryside to pass through all throughout. Chernigov, Sumy, Poltava, then you are at the Dnieper and have cut the Donbass off.
All the talk about how, you see, we will liberate the Donbass, and then it will be easy, is just absolute nonsense.
First, there was no need for that, given that there is all this non-fortified land to take, which is also logistically easier to maintain given that it is on the main highways and railways radiating from Moscow.
Second, when Russia did try to move in in its usual pathetic way involving zero isolation of the battlefield, it did not work very well (the Volchansk fiasco from last year, and the unfolding Sumy fiasco from this year).
So either:
1) Fortifications don't actually matter all that much in the age of drones, and any moderately built up area is sufficient for robust defense, while open terrain is death for the advancing side. And it is thus not going to get any easier in the future even past Kramatorsk
2) The Kremlin had a wide open path towards (half)winning the war east of the river, and has chosen not to pursue it for four years now.
The "praise" for Trump is nothing but "diplomatic speak". The russians know very well that they cannot compromise on important things with USA, the provoker and creator of this war.
They are also playing their game. The game of playing with Trump's ego to their benefit. With sanctions and secondary sanctions threats, if applied, China already showed what they can do to the USA. USA's economy will crash much faster than it already is and Trump will have nothing to respond with, because USA depends much more on China, than China depends on USA.
What's been clear since the beginning is that Russia did not want any war and they are doing their best to prevent an even larger one. That is what happens when responsible leaders like the russian ones, the chinese ones, etc, make decisions, when compared to the psychopathic western "leaders", like Trump or any of the disgusting european "leaders". They don't go all out, after provocations.
I too am sometimes frustrated when the russians don't respond as I thought they should to some of these provocations, but thinking about it a bit more, makes me realize that these decisions are preventing a nuclear world war, which no one would win.
And for those that constantly claim that nuclear war will never happen, because of its deterrence factor, is forgetting again about the psychopaths in the west. USA is the only country hat used nuclear bombs against another country and is the likely starter of a nuclear war, something that cannot go without a response by Russia for example.
USA and its vassals want precisely that. That Russia responds in such a way, so that they can claim they didn't start it, but need to respond because again, USA and its vassals are all about illusion and optics. And with the western media propaganda on 24/7, the western idiots will continue to believe USA and Ukraine are the saints, and Russia is the evil one, just as they believe Ukraine is winning the war, or that USA "wants peace", thanks to such propaganda.
As for the hits on the USA owned factory in Ukraine, that's the typical argument I've seen before, probably by you. Why wasn't it hit so far ?
Obviously only russian military can answer this properly, but I think russians only strike what they know, by means of intelligence gathering, is being used for military purposes.
You may argue that russians should just strike whatever, even if they don't know if it's used for military purposes, but that's not how anything can be managed. Russia's industry is capable of a lot, but they don't have unlimited resources / weapons / money. So their targets need to be selected carefully.
This factory may have not been used for military purposes until recently, or russian intelligence was only able to verify that recently. Who knows ? Whatever the case may be, Russia can't just fire unlimited missiles to strike every building in Ukraine. That's simply not doable and I'm sure you know this.
I think you make a blatant error in your analysis, when you talk about why the russians didn't advance here or there, or didn't destroy this or that.
Russia clearly stated it's doing attrition on the ukrainian nazi regime / military. That means they want to destroy the ukrainian military, reduce it to near nothing or nothing at all. This takes time, especially against what was the largest army in Europe before the SMO.
Much of what the russian army does is destroy the ukrainian army in one area, then wait for more to come, destroy it also, take some ground in the process to get better positions, to better destroy the ukrainian army, when inevitably more is sent. And repeat the process!
Given this, what would the russians accomplish if they simply moved forward into the Dnper ? Everything behind the Dnper in western Ukraine, would no longer be fed into the grinder.
Your point seems to be that the russians don't do it, because they can't or don't want to. I don't see it that way. Their goal is to de-militarize and de-nazify. You can't do it as well, by means of long distance strikes. You do it better by closer combat.
We will see what happens next, but the attrition is clearly working and both Ukraine and its backers, are in desperation mode. If Trump is stupid enough to go further the sanctions / secondary sanctions route, USA will pay a much higher price than it did until now. One thing is for sure, Trump or whoever in USA won't let go the Ukraine project, because it's been too expensive and for sure the best proxy they ever had. You cannot find people as dumb as ukrainians, as easily, elsewhere. They want to preserve it as much as possible, which is why the russians must continue the attrition. They can't let the nazis re-group and re-arm again, like it happened with the Minsk accords.
Doing that a 3rd time would definitely be Russia's biggest blunder.
" USA and its vassals want precisely that. That Russia responds in such a way, so that they can claim they didn't start it, but need to respond because again, USA and its vassals are all about illusion and optics. "
This is a tired worn out argument. Do you think the people left after a nuclear war are going to care who started it ? The optics ?
Yes, it matters. Unless all north americans and europeans are wiped out, they will try to re-write history and claim it was Russia that started it, even though it's always, ALWAYS USA / NATO / European Union that are the aggressors.
You seem to not know about the supremacist / fascist / lying nature of the vast majority of people in USA / Europe, that is always trying to spread their fake narratives. They do it every single day of their lives, BEFORE the nuclear holocaust even happens and will do it AFTER as well.
Living in a lie or believing in fake narratives / not knowing history, is what guarantees it will happen again.
This is a valid response IMO……Russia has a dead hand option such that if it suffers a major attack it will loose its entire nuclear arsenal at once……regardless of who started what the initial survivors will be the unlucky ones…..worrying about optics at that point would have no relevance…..
You want to look at this situation from a more strategic PoV…..what I see here relates to a decline of a great power (the oligarchical powers in the U.S. and Europe) committing resources they don’t have to attempt to coerce from others resources they desire. As I argue with local folks, it makes no sense because war amounts to about the least efficient use of resources…..it’s much more efficient to simply freely trade.
The citizens of the U.S. and Europe are catching on too…..Trump has lost significant support for his actions even in the Republican Party. The rise of AfD in Germany and La Pen in France have been suppressed for now but as citizens in the US and Europe face prospects of terrorism, food shortages and economic collapse we may witness significant changes in the political landscape
I don’t have answers but I keep an open mind (cause I know next to nothing about these matters) and look forward to both Simplicius’s and GM’s takes. It’s been years since the start of this shitshow. I’m 60 now, please universe, don’t kill me before we at least get to the end of the first season!
For some resson this disinformer thinks that accumulation crap in long messages will make them less detectable. Reading him one would think the Ukranians are at the gate of Moscow. Beyond pathetic. A good laugh
Russians destroyed a "factory in Mukachevo, in the Zakarpattia region, reportedly belonging to the American Flextronics corporation" - how convenient for Ukraine that right after a very successful for Russia the US/Russia summit, the Russians immediately destroyed an AMERICAN corporation in Ukraine:-)
They might have been avoiding hitting other countries' factories and plants to this point for the sake of foreign relations. But if these countries turn against or threaten Russia, then those plants are open to destruction as a message. Just a guess.
I think in Alaska Trump and Putin divided the sphere of influence, Trump sheds Ukraine off and Putin in return will close the eyes on Venezuela and such.
Having Venezuela become a BRICS member would be a good move and one in the eye for the Vampires to the North. Btw: whatever happened to Juan Guaido ? hehe he.
Haywood Jablome: Your comment is at the same time: Funny, sad, and perhaps has some truth to it also. A diet that consists of Big Mac's and fries, probably isn't going to help much either...
With Anchorage, Putin indirectly got Trump to delay secondary tarrifs. Dont forget that China and India are also pressuring Russia in their own ways, so Putin must appease them as well.
There is only one possible excuse for what the Kremlin is doing -- they need time to roll out the IRBMs and ABMs in the needed quantities in order to prepare for the inevitable direct war with NATO, so they are stalling for time by engaging in these theatrics (of course, then the question immediately arises regarding what they were doing before the war started and why they were not ready with those things. But let's ignore it for now).
Under any other scenario they are just making the situation worse.
I think in Alaska Putin cut through the fog/lies of Trump's circle and told him the facts
The 'finger pointing" photos, in addition to total lack of manners, is Trump's defense mechanism since I bet he's told by his Lindseys that Trump's images from Alaska look "weak," so he needed to prove that, he"showed them, the Ruskies"
Americans don't know much and lack natural curiosity of the outside world - most don't even have a passport, never been past Canada/Mexico, some never been anywhere.
The USSR graciously (peace was more important than image) gave JFK a chance to save his face by not telling Americans that the USSR forced the US to remove the nukes from Turkey. That the nukes in Cuba was the USSR mirror response to the US nukes in Turkey.
Ask Grok about the US spy plane shot over the USSR on 01May1960 - ask if the US government lied about this plane being a lost "weather plane," and Grok replies " yes, the US government lied but it was necessary." Really?
All the information is available in the US, just people are not willing to invest the time/effort to learn, hear different views, to just educate themselves.
interesting to see that Grok's main response ("yes") is followed by the conjunction "but", allegedly in an effort to modify or explain its own answer. however, the part after 'but' does not really explain anything (mentioning that lying was necessary is not the same as explaining it) and thus it tries to suffocate further thinking. misdirection? very bothersome.
Mary-lou, t'other week we took my 7 year old granddaughter to watch the animated film Bad Guys 2, as a holiday treat. One line stood out to me, spoken by Mr Wolf to his corrupt Governor girlfriend, that went something like: " at the end of the day, it's not the action that's most important, it's the distraction " I wish I'd come up with that line !
very true! the extra hooves and a solitary man's leg, plus that both 'women' wear identical shoes, neither even remotely looking like v/der Leyden. myopic computermodeling.
You’re missing the point. What matters is the cumulative effect of all this.
Americans are ignorant is not a reason to shield them from the truth. Trump having pressure on him is not a reason for Putin to keep giving him an off ramp while accepting belligerence.
Reality needs to be acknowledged and all this is making it harder for the world to know the truth.
The U.S. will always seek hegemony and conflict and accommodating it only encourages them.
If all the work and diplomacy with JFK ended no where with him shot by CiA and Mossad, why does anyone think with Trump(!) it will be any different.
My point was that being ignorant doesn't serve American interests.
This US government constantly cultivating and brewing hatred in Americans for any enemy du jour is only possible since Americans know very little about these people first hand and being fed constant lies.
I remember my shock when soon after I moved to the US, my new American friends were apologizing to me for 'hating the soviets so much." The soviets were never hated/were taught to hate Americans. The soviet's western "bourgeois" enemy was always an amorphous type of enemy, since the yesterday's enemy, can become today's buddy in the big chess of geopolitics.
Look at the hatred of the Chinese - even in the 1950s, "the yellow race" wasn't even granted the visas to the US, even the blue-blooded white kids of the Russian aristocrats born in Harbin after the Bolsheviks revolution, were classified as the "yellow race" just by the place of birth.
Nixon goes to China to separate it from the USSR, all industries are dumped to China, until China became too strong, "equal," so now the US government points the finger @ China and Americans are back to the hatred du jour. Some never had a Chinese friend, know much about Chinese, never been to China but are taught to hate China.
I well may be that the Trump pointing the finger at Putin gesture had been pre agreed with Trump’s press officers, precisely to mirror the earlier photo. Putin facilitating this kind of game doesn’t look all too good.
"That Trump post with the finger pointing images is humiliating." You're right, it was humiliating to Trump, for several reasons:
First, Trump is so totally ignorant he doesn't seem to understand that in his paired photo of Richard Nixon pointing a finger at Nikita Khrushchev it was *Vice President* Nixon who was pointing his finger. Ike Eisenhower was President at the time and Eisenhower was far too class an act to ever point his finger at a world leader like that. Ike did his best to toilet train Nixon, getting him ready in case he had to take over, but Nixon still had his rough spots.
Second, in that interaction, the 1959 "Kitchen Debate" that happened during an impromptu meeting at an exposition, the US came out the loser, not the USSR. Nixon succeeded in convincing Khrushchev that Americans were cretins and badly led. That played a key role in...
Third, the USSR's win over the US in the Cuban Missile Crisis. The *US* backed down in that crisis, not the USSR. The Soviet Union put nuclear missiles into Cuba as a response to the US putting nuclear missiles in Turkey right up against the USSR's border. The Cuban missile crisis ended when the US agreed to remove its missiles from Turkey, and in response the USSR removed its missiles from Cuba.
Khrushchev was replaced by Brezhnev not because his move in Cuba successfully pushed US nuclear missiles away from the USSR's borders but because of Brezhnev's ambition. Brezhnev also claimed Khrushchev mishandled the success in Cuba by allowing the US to keep secret the US capitulation in removing US nuclear missiles from near Russia's borders. Khrushchev didn't care about whether that was secret or not. He was an old school communist who didn't give a shit what the people thought so long as the balance of military power was where he wanted it to be. Brezhnev (correctly) criticized Khrushchev for having an out of date and out of touch approach to modern geopolitics.
Third, acting like a vulgar jerk only wins points with cretins and fools. That's not the way to win against Russia. It also has its limits even with cretins and fools. When Trump paired his photo with a photo of Richard Nixon, he should remember that Nixon lost the election to Kennedy, and one reason why was that Americans thought Kennedy was more a class act than a coarse Nixon. [OK, Kennedy actually stole the election from Nixon, who was the real winner, but still that the election was so close Kennedy's people could steal it was a result of too many Americans thinking Nixon had no class.]
Ah, and last, if you look at Putin's face in that photo you can see he's smiling with confidence. He's not the least bit intimidated. Anybody who understands what real power is about knows that it is highly counterproductive to screw around with guys like Putin by sophomoric picking of photographic moments out of hours of contact just to score points with domestic morons.
Trump will be gone in three and a half years but Putin and Russia will still be here. Anybody who is out to antagonize them instead of looking for points of common interest is doing the US a terrible disservice.
But Pat wore a good cloth coat, a Republican coat.
You of all people should realize that Trump is aiming at cretins and fools. "Everything Trump does is ...domestic"
I was listening to one of my audiobooks in the car yesterday and this morning. The first volume of the Evans Third Reich trilogy, which is the best single source on the Nazis rise and fall available, still. He has this knack for pulling all the best Mein Kampf and diary quotes. Hitler on propaganda is super instructive. The dude knew what he was doing, and what he was doing was clearly aiming for the emotional animal that does not think - limited numbers of points, repeated constantly. The power of terror. Take a look at political messaging today and what do you see?
Thank you for this incredible expose. I learnt a lot.
It is not enough to win but for others to also know that you are winning. I am not saying actual real world facts matter less than perception and narrative. For a rational person with all the facts and knowledge of history… sure they’ll come to your conclusion.
But most people (even leaders) don’t - and people react and behave primarily based on perception and emotion not on logic and facts. That goes for finance as well as geopolitics.
Sooner or later the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, BRICS … the majority of the world and humanity needs to see that reality for the thinly constructed illusion it is in order for it to be broken.
Images like these don’t bring that day any closer.
Sorry, but that's on westerners, not Russia, to fix. it's because westerners believe their own propaganda without fail, that things like you highlighted (second world war on the backs of the Soviets, cuban missile crisis, etc) happen.
Westerns need to grow a brain and leave their comfort zone. I did. Like most, I too thought USA was this beacon of democracy and peaceful "hegemon" that only reacts when it's attacked. I was so wrong, in every conceivable way and when things didn't quite add up, I did my homework. Most westerners should do it as well. The problem is most don't realy care. if they are not the ones being genocided, they will side with whatever the western media tells them to side. Westerners are today completely without principles or values and the Ukraine war is the best example thus far. Westerns as a whole literally support nazis, the worst, the most disgusting vile people on this planet. Just putting a foot outside the western bubble, would make them understand this, but they don't want to.
Victory in the Great Patriotic War is a salve for the losses Russia (more properly the Soviet Union) suffered and rightly a matter of national pride. The things Russians believe about the war are accurate. Even without Western Allied help, the Russians and associated Union nationalities would have won the war by themselves.
As for why it matters, you have to think on the longstanding inferiority complex that Russians have vis a vis the West, and not for no reason. It's not like the West hasn't been looking on Russia with contempt for a long time.
Russia HAS to visibly remain open to compromise and diplomatic efforts. It's not for the US, it's for the ROW to see that Russia remains interested in peace. Russia is seen as the only adult at the table, and will maintain this position.
They DO NOT have to accept a deal that doesn't work for them, but they do have to be seen by allies and neutral parties as doing all they can to settle this peacefully.
And I like the dual strategy of doing this and stepping up damage to western interests in Ukraine. The west apparently won't stop on their own, so they should be made to feel the pain.
I don't see how Trump could hit Russia without starting WW3..... even small attacks on Russia would infuriate the MAGA base and, if they escalated, likely cause European assets to be taken out by Russian missiles...Putin and, more important, the Russian people are not in a peaceable mood and will want harsh retaliation, and they don't want to see any more bogus treaties either....
I am not so sure about the MAGA base anymore. As per usual the 'Merican populace are almost solely focused on domestic issues where Orangeman is actually following through on some of his campaign promises.
I have news for you -- the US has been attacking Russia directly non-stop since May 2022. Since December 2022, strategic targets on official Russian soil, attack of which triggers the nuclear doctrine (yes, even the one in place then), have been hit, attacks that were directly planned by and executed together with the US.
Just today a HIMARS struck the Druzhba pipeline in Bryansk.
That is not an isolated case -- HIMARS is flying into Kursk several times daily. You just never hear about it because the people reporting on the war on the supposedly pro-Russian side in the English-language internet space are doing such an abysmal job of telling the truth.
And we know that no HIMARS strike happens without direct US involvement.
Then there were strikes such as the Toropets one that you clearly know nothing about it. But let's not open that can of worms right now.
The important thing is that Russia has done absolutely nothing in response to any of that. So why would it do anything in reponse to more of it?
The wars are fought by political reasons not ethnic reasons. Americsn civil war, Russian civil war,.Chinese civil war... But Ukraine is not a civil war, its the end of the Ukranian mistake from centuries ago. The Russians have finally tackled it..Keep trying
How is the "the Ukranian mistake from centuries ago" going to end given the current Kremlin official posture, the lack of mobilization, and the fact that the Banderofasicsts have not been touched at all four years into this?
No it isn't. I was disputing GM's claim that Russia hasn't retaliated to American aggression. That is what we're discussing.
The level of Ukrainian casualties is relevant to my argument that Russia IS fighting back because by killing so many of America's proxy, Russia is very effectively weakening her enemy. And therefore fighting back against American provocations.
The level of Russian casualties does not add to the argument either way - unless your argument is that Russian casualties are so light they aren't really trying? Was that your argument.
Not true. Trump tapped into the sentiment now called MAGA and rode it to the presidency, but he did not create it. He did give it focus, but I think it is far larger than Trump no matter what he thinks.
Trump was an Elite Democrat in his past & must have a deranged past. He can be replaced in MAGA & such expectations are anticipated. MAGA is a soft revolution against the WESTERN Empire.
What myopic cope! Clearly you are observing a different war than I am. In case you missed it, Russia is being attacked directly constantly, MAGA base means shit and Epstein proved it, Putin won't hit European assets, and the Russian people seem just fine with the slow boil sans mobilization.
Yours is the kind of vacuous fantasy analysis that has me agreeing with GM!
"Most will continue the cliche about 'Russia is advancing so it’s gathering more corpses', yet oddly enough, each time Ukraine massively advanced, like in the Kursk and Zaporozhye offensives, the body exchanges did not disproportionately favor Ukraine…why is that?" Why? Because the Russians retreated, and never fought on for every inch like the Ukrainians. No way those body exchange ratios represent casualty ratios, which are still a mystery. The only thing we know for sure about casualties is that all the data in the public domain on casualties on both sides is fictional.
I think in spite of accurate casualty analyses on both sides, the fact that Ukraine is losing fighters and its mobilisation efforts are failing whilst the Russians are gaining fighters and are running a highly successful recruitment campaign are pretty clear indicators of a lopsided casualty ratio.
Russia is 4x larger than Ukraine in population, if not more, and has vastly more resources for recruiting. Ukraine could have an advantage of even say 3:1 in casualties and still be losing the manpower contest with Russia. So, I don't agree. My guess -- a wild guess, because we have hardly any facts -- is that the Ukrainians do have some kind of advantage in the casualty ratio, just because they are defending, and because they have no choice -- there aren't people to feed into the meatgrinder. Just like tank losses drop off when one side has a deficit in tanks. This advantage -- if it exists at all -- is not as big as it could be because of the stupid Ukrainian practice of refusing to retreat in time.
But it doesn't matter -- Ukrainians would need a 4:1 or 5:1 advantage in casualties AND have the money to do proper recruiting, in order not to lose the manpower contest with Russia. The bottom line is they are LOSING the manpower contest. And that will eventually lead to military collapse. The manpower contest is a key dynamic in attritional warfare.
Not entirely. We can gauge casualties from several indicators, including the heavily skewed body exchange ratios; the Ukrainian strategy of holding territory regardless of losses; and Russian use of mobile, small teams only after Ukrainian strongholds are decimated by FABS, GRAD/TOS rocket systems, artillery, and drones.
That doesn't tell you anything about the numbers. Tactics matter too. There are only two things which I think I vaguely know from tons of reading: 1. MediaZone is probably not off by an order of magnitude on Russian combat deaths 2. The Russian Army grows in size while the UA Army shrinks (according to Zelensky, and Syrsky). That means to me that the casualty ratio could be anything from maybe 2:1 in Ukraine's favor to 2:1 in Russia's favor, or anything in between. We just don't know. But the ultimate question is what is the trajectory with manpower, and obviously this favors Russia. Not surprising considering the relative sizes of the countries. I can't believe how many people in the West continue even now to fantasize that Ukraine has a chance on the battlefield. This fantasy is fueled by propaganda intended to prolong the war and inhibit realistic peace talks. A tragedy for Ukraine.
So you are saying that because the Russians retreated rather than fighting for every inch -- and therefore didn't die, while the Ukrainians did and died -- that means that the body count ratios don't mean anything? I would say they do mean something FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
I meant that this factor would reduce whatever casualty ratio advantage the Ukrainians would otherwise have from being the defenders for going on two years now. Whether that ELIMINATES this advantage or not, I have no idea.
Erich. It's correct that the attacker typically needs a manpower, or firepower, advantage to be successful.
But that doesn't mean the attacker will automatically incur more casualties than the defender.
If the attacker is successful the defender may rout and will then suffer disproportionate casualty levels. This appears to be happening with the UAF, since they are forbidden to retreat in an orderly fashion, so when they do retreat it's typically a Sauve qui peut.
Secondly remember the considerable Russian firepower advantage. Like the Western Allies the Russians are using stand off weapons to weaken their opponents to the point of collapse before sending in assault troops
I agree with all of that, but there are other factors we can't really evaluate. Like - how lavishly does any party use manpower in any given operation. Even HAVI G more manpower can mean more casualties. So we really don't know in this conflict.
Guess what... I predicted that those US-Russia negotiations were just kabuki theatre! Readers of my substack (https://geopolitiq.substack.com/) know it very well, as I said well before the talks in Alaska started on 15th August - see for instance these two articles I wrote on 9th and 12th August:
And you predicted well. I've written about it as well in my own substack page. One does not need to be very insightful to know this, because when it comes to USA it's always: never trust USA, don't compromise with USA; USA lies, USA deceives, USA does not respect agreements, signatures or any words.
It's not 1.7 million KIA. It's 1.7 million KIA and missing. Definitely 1+ million KIA and at least 200-300 thousand MIA and since MIA is often also KIA, I definitely think 1.5 million dead for Ukraine, is not farfetched at all.
Indications are that there was zero gain between Ukraine and Russia in Alaska. On the other hand Trump moved his position a lot closer to the stated Russian opinion. What is the guarantee that Trump’s position will remain stationery? Nothing.
Sentinel-1( satellite system, part of the European Union's Copernicus Programme) reported that 50 of the 150 Western European weapon and ammunition manufacturing plants are working on major enlargements, adding over 7 million square meters of space total. Hungary setting up a factory to deliver 1.1 million 155mm shells a year starting with 2026 (so they hope). Romania and Moldova are already enrolled as the new proxies. Serbia is on the edge of a EU infected colored revolution and Hungary also has the EU point man, a Mr. Peter Magyar who is working to undermine Orban. In Romania they are building the largest Airport for F-35 planes. (they might be operational by now.)
Hundreds of additional developments point in the direction that EU/NATO stepped on a road of major militarization and this is why Zelensky is encouraged to stick to his war. When we step back and look at the larger image we see the traditional Good Cop/Bad Cop game played by Trump and the EU. Trump wants to be friends with Russia (for now) but he still sends money and weapons toward Ukraine, paid by the EU/NATO Gang. At the same time The Gang (and supposed Populist Meloni is clearly joining now) gearing up for an everlasting conflict while babysitting The Comedian for future use.
The deluded NAZIs can build 1,000 weapons factories, and numerous airfields, but they will all end up in the same way the factory just did at the top of this latest article.
It's game theory. It's in NATO's interest for Russia to attack it first, while it's in Russia's interest for NATO to insert troops into Ukraine. The destination is the same, but it does matter very much the route to get there.
From a military perspective, it doesn't make much sense for Europe to ramp up the production of conventional weapons and munitions. Any war between Russia and Europe and/or NATO as a whole will be nuclear. This is mostly just a disguised cash grab.
Or they are hoping to continue and win inside Ukraine following the present recipe. At least this is where the 1.1 million per year 155mm shells point toward that they are going to manufacture in Hungary.
Actually this whole idea of fighting a conventional war against a 21st century major nuclear power is delusional. I studied history for decades and had never seen a conflict where a nation declared itself a loser while holding in hand the weapons to win.
All because the goal of it continuing to exist clashed with the goals of personal enrichment of its own elites.
Which is a much more common theme in recent history than people realize -- the interests of the "state" are often misaligned with the interests of the elites of that state, and they will thus gladly betray it. That used to much rarer, because in the more distant past wealth was pretty much equal to control over land, and thus elite enrichment meant fighting for land with other countries, i.e. the interests largely aligned. But in the modern world the best way to get rich might be to actively work against the interests of your own state.
That is exactly what has been happening with Russia since 2022 -- the war could have been quickly ended with a total Russian victory at any point since then, but that goes against the interests of Russian elites.
"The USSR voluntarily dissolved itself, didn't it?"
And guess what, whales can hold their breath underwater. Neither that nor your comment above has anything to do with Kennewick Man's observation. Doh.
The USSR was *involuntarily* dissolved as a result of an attempted coup that swung the needle *within* the USSR against a structure that neither average people nor elites wanted any more. It had nothing to do with conflicts involving other nations, and it had nothing to do with elites, like the Europeans or the nazi elites in Ukraine, having different interests from either the state or the broad population of the state.
There is no incentive whatsoever - zero - for elites in Russai to work against the interests of their own state. On the contrary, Russians including both elites and average people are highly unified and are working together very successfully on their shared interest of continuing to develop Russia and growing Russia's economy, all while defeating the US in Ukraine.
That cretins on Internet don't understand any of that is simply a result of them being cretins. That trolls who grind their teeth at Russia's prosperity, unity, and success against the US keep spouting propaganda for morons is simply a result of them being trolls. It's hard to tell which one of those two camps you fall into.
>There is no incentive whatsoever - zero - for elites in Russai to work against the interests of their own state.
But they do that right as we speak...
>On the contrary, Russians including both elites and average people are highly unified and are working together very successfully on their shared interest of continuing to develop Russia and growing Russia's economy, all while defeating the US in Ukraine.
The fact that you don't see that could simply be a matter of your perspective. I don't know enough so say it is true or not, only that because someone doesn't see something does not in and of itself mean that it isn't there.
GM, I suppose too that after the economy reached a certain point of globalisation sovereign states became obstacles. Capitalists form not just an international class but are a global state in itself.
Which is why effective resistance can only be on an anti-capitalist basis. Because otherwise the capitalist elites inside each country will always have interests more aligned with each other than with the interests of their countries populations in general.
This is precisely what is happening in Russia right now, why the war is not fought seriously, and why it is such a catastrophic defeat for Russia so far.
You have an official Goldman Sachs agent in Russia's highest-level negotiating team (Kiril Dmitriev), FFS.
How can you be taken seriously given that rather uncomfortable for everyone actually paying attention fact?
This is also why North Korea is standing strong and nobody is touching it.
In Russia leadership rules with the interests of the big business elite being the top priority.
I’m slowly coming round to your point of view. What’s doing it is witnessing this carrousel of “talks/pseudo negotiations” going beyond what I thought was a reasonable initial attempt at re-establishing some kind of dialogue with the US.
I do not understand what the point of Putin travelling to Trump was. How many times does the Russian position need to be stated? Why is the fact that the US are the main actor in the war publicly ignored by the Russian side?
The other thing is, if one of the aims of the SMO is “de-nazification” of Ukraine (taking into account the size of the country, its armed forces and the support it’s getting from the West), why is the only focus of the military effort the liberation of the Donbass? Reaching the administrative boundaries of Donetsk and Lugansk? Given the complexity and size of the intended result shouldn’t this be a total war, a war for the total destruction of the Ukrainian state?
I have to say that questions that were waiting for a certain time to pass in order to get sn answer remain enigmatic.
I know this wasn’t a war for a communist Russia and hence there’s always been the question of what was going to happen after the war, what’s in it for the regular Russian, how is the continuation of the global capitalist business a solution to anything in this day and age?
The West is applying the boiling the frog strategy.
The bet is that Putin doesn't have it in him to use strategic weaponry to decisively win, and that because he doesn't have it in him Russia can be bogged down in a never ending medium- to large-scale conventional war, draining it of human and economic resources, until it collapses, while it is also being defeated elsewhere on the chessboard because it is distracted.
So far that has been a very solid bet, delivering quite spectacular results -- Russia was totally defeated in Syria, is being kicked out of the South Caucasus region, the dismantlement of Iran (and thus the carving up of the Russian soft southern underbelly) started, which Russia did nothing to oppose, etc.
Sure, fresh meat might be running out in Ukraine, but there are 500M Europeans to resupply the front lines with. And thus it makes perfect sense to ramp up conventional munition production.
The European population has little interest in fighting EU/NATO proxy wars. The political elites in London, Paris, and Berlin are unpopular in the extreme, with Ms. Macron holding a dismal 17% approval rating. England is on the brink of civil unrest as rent-boy patron, Starmer, cosplays Disraeli, and Germany's AfD is now the dominant party for the first time.
French are lost cause. What is called left is extremely fragmented and then, at elast in the lastd ecade, Macron scares people into voting against somethingn as opposed in favour of sth. So they are all scared of voting for Le Pen and they grudgingly vote for Macron. Does not matter.
500M Europeans? Do you have a clue about how Europeans think today?
What they are?
To make them accept mass inmigration the national coherence had to be destroyed over several decades. The scheme has been successful.
If ever the Europeans rally again to the idea of nationhood, which is theoretically possible, but in any case not imminent, their wrath would be directed against the aliens in their cities, not against Russia.
I am not sure if the Poles could be conscripted now for war with Russia. Forget about the French, Italians, Germans (are there many left?) Spaniards.
Have a walk thorough any big European city today and you would understand that no one is going to conscript this mixed populations and form coherent armies.
Times have changed. There will be no more "German" Askaris from Tanganika fighting "British" Indians for the glory of their masters.
A limited number of mercenaries may be, but never significant numbers.
In some places, about 20% might be ready to fight the Israelis in Gaza.
Ukraine is 80% ethnic Russian and was <5% Banderite in the early 00s.
And yet what happened?
In places like Germany they harbor ancestral hatred towards Russia, plus they actually need the Lebensraum, literally -- taking over Russian resources is the only way they will survive into the futrue -- plus the same economic depression that made WWII possible (fascism came to power because there were these huge masses of people that had fallen on hard times to radicalize) is unfolding there now.
They are in fact in a much better starting position to get whipped into a war-against-Russia frenzy than Ukraine was.
How naive do you have to be to take that census at face value?
Nobody was actually asked that question, they wrote down whatever they wanted.
There is no difference between the two populations, they are fully mixed, continuous and intermarried. Thus a "Russian speaking Ukrainian" is just the politically correct (from the perspective of having to maintain the illusion of a separate Ukrainian identity) label for ethnic Russia. Only in Galicia do they speak Ukrainian, and originally (circa 1991) not even in the major cities.
But otherwise you have the following examples:
-- Valentina Matviyenko, third person in the power succession in Russia. Born in Western Ukraine (Shepetovoka).
-- Medinsky, chief negotiator. Born in Smila in Cherkasy region
-- Kiril Dmitriev. Born in Kiev.
-- Alexey Overchuk. Deputy Prime Minister. Born in Korostyshev, Zhytomyr region
-- Alexander Novak. Deputy Prime Minister. Born in Avdeevka
-- Dmitry Medvedev's maternal grandparents were Ukrainian, and if you start digging in people's backgrounds at that level of distance, it is a really, really long list of people.
You also have several people in the current Russian government born in Belarus, which we are not discussing here, but it's the same situation there.
On the Ukrainian side, it is full of ethnic Russians too, in fact much of the government consists of them.
-- Zelensky is a Russian Jew from Krivoy Rog
-- Yermak is a Russian Jew whose parents came from Leningrad, and I think are in Russia now
-- Syrsky is an outright ethnic Russia, born in Vladimir. His father is definitely there now, as the news came just this week that he underwent surgery, which Syrsky paid for. And his father is a Russian nationalist and a former Red Army officer
-- At one point Danilov was National Security Council secretary, and it turned out his brother was in Russia and worked for the FSB.
-- Arestovych used to be Zelensky's advisor, and he is half Belarusian and half Russian
Again, it is a single continuous population, and as such language is the main dividing line. And most of them speak Russian. Internally Zelensky and his government and military speak Russian.
This is precisely why they went after the language first, already back in 2014, and why Zelensky categorically refused to reinstate Russian as official language yesterday.
This is wrong on so many levels that the head spins.
"Ancestral hatred"? Not at all. I lived in Germany for years; on the contrary there is a widespread desire to never have conflict with Russia again, including a great love of Russian culture. And in the East of Germany, a feeling that Russia is a much more brotherly nation than the West.
In Germany there is still the trauma of the defeat of WWII, widespread pacifism, so totally different from Poland, Baltic States, even places like Denmark. You are NOT going to get Germany into a war with Russia.
And Ukraine "80% ethnic Russian"? Are you crazy? Have you even been there?
You're right in your other comments but wrong about this: "And Ukraine "80% ethnic Russian"? Are you crazy? Have you even been there?"
Give GM his due, just like a broken clock is right twice a day sometimes he does indeed tell the truth and he's right about that.
The vast majority of people living in what since 1991 has been called "Ukraine" are, indeed, ethnic Russians. And yes, I've been there, many times. Virtually nobody spoke "Ukrainian" in 1991 (it's more accurately referred to as "Ruthenian"), but in 1991 the very small core of Ukrainian nazis and fellow-traveler nationalists saw a political opportunity to expand.
Like small, but fanatically determined, parties elsewhere, they achieved political traction despite being a tiny minority, and the billions of dollars the US flooded into Ukraine in support of the nazis helped them advance both their poisonous narrative and to recruit new members. Since the US destroyed Ukraine's democratically elected government in 2014 and put a nazi junta in charge, they've systematically used the US's billions plus mountains of weapons to kill anybody who resists their campaign to pretend there are no native Russian speakers in Ukraine.
That campaign has had its surrealistic moments given that every one of the nazi elite is a native Russian speaker, including Zelensky, Yermak, Budanov and all the others. Every past president of Ukraine, including Yulia Timoshenko, who famously said she'd personally machine-gun anybody who wanted to get closer to Russia is a native Russian speaker. Timoshenko, like the rest of the elite speak Russian when they are out of earshot of credulous fool Westerners. Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian as an adult and he speaks it very poorly, with a Russian accent. Others can't even speak Ukrainian.
It's certainly true that eleven years of killing anybody who opposes the narrative plus billions of dollars, complete rewriting of all school texts and history books, and raising a Hitler Youth in eleven years from age eight to nineteen has stamped a generation of kids with the idea they're not Russian and that they should rat out their parents and other relatives when they say they're Russian. That's what happens when a nazi cancer is allowed to metastasize while being fed with billions of US dollars.
It's also a reason why simply taking over all of Ukraine except a tiny rump state of a few Nazi strongholds in the far West is a tough job. It's not just territory now, you really have to push a lot of the nazi-indoctrinated population out of there, either into Europe or into hard labor camps in Russia's Far East. Otherwise you're not going to root out the Nazi cancer.
You are one hundred per cent right about Germany. My impression coincides with yours and I must say that I have attended scores of political or cultural events in my 14 years in that country.
It is becoming a bad habit by some in this forum to advance some extraordinary opinions about Germany without, as it seems, having much experience or knowledge about that country.
I have worked 14 years in Germany, in the public sphere, and I haven't seen any interest in the German public for a military conquest of Russian resources.
And would there be the intention to do something crazy, Germany would lack all the necessary elements for it. It now has a relatively old population, huge non integrated minorities, lowest birth rate.
The present anti-Russian course can be explained by the cultural trait that makes Germans enthusiastic servants of the powerful.
The US boss defines Russia as an enemy and subsequently the Germans feel deep sentiments of hostility towards Russia.
A curious, typically German psychological mechanism, makes then really feel what they are ordered to feel, even if recently they harboured completely opposite sentiments.
>I have worked 14 years in Germany, in the public sphere, and I haven't seen any interest in the German public for a military conquest of Russian resources.
1) When did the public decide anything?
2) Does Germany objectively need those resources? Yes, it does
3) Did German elites already tried to genocide all Russians in order to get their hands on them? Yes.
4) Has the resentment over that plan failing disappeared completely? Well, you look at who's in power there now...
I can only speak for the UK. However, here Armed Forces recruitment is at abysmal levels, with those joining recruits being barely educated with the average reading age of an 11 year old. Other males of fighting age are in the main spoilt, overindulged and uniformly addicted to their tech gadgets. They fight plenty of battles though using a mouse and press reset when they die. The very idea that they will be successfully deployed to a cold, wet and muddy battlefield carrying 50 kg on their backs is laughable.
The " Rape gangs" are popularly considered to be Muslims of Pakistani origin. And it's true that Pakistani origin people are over represented in the stats, but even so most rape gangs are white British.
Pajeet is an insulting term for Hindus. No one believes there is a multitude of Hindu rape gangs.
It's sad that you don't know what you're talking about!
By the by, the Right Wing Zionist population in the UK, some Jewish, many not, is virulently anti-Muslim and plays a large part in spreading anti-Muslim propaganda. Where do you stand on that one Adolf?
very excellent point. - "If ever the Europeans rally again to the idea of nationhood, which is theoretically possible, but in any case not imminent, their wrath would be directed against the aliens in their cities, not against Russia."
lets hope the complete subservience to the jew that that zion don has exposed is a spark...
1) The analysts that you read state that. But there are others
2) Has it ever occurred to you that it might be that what the analysts you read claim says more about the analysts themselves than what they say reflects actual reality?
The objective facts are that:
1) Russia has been reduced to a giant Syria that is bombed daily by whoever feels like it and the Kremlin does not dare fire a single shot back
2) Russia was totally defeated in the actual Syria
3) Russia has been kicked out of several other of its former spheres of influence (Armenia, Moldova)
4) Multiple other neighboring countries have turned openly hostile and NATO has moved in right to Russia's borders.
5) Russia is bogged down in an endless drone stalemate fighting for weeks over individual buildings, with no end in sight.
6) This even though Russia has the power to cut off Ukraine entirely from all weapon supplies literally within half an hour of deciding so, and then win a total victory, but leadership refuses to do it. Which means that either leadership consists of traitors, or the West actually has the upper hand in military-technical terms and all that is left here to play out is Russia's collapse. There is no other option.
Those are the objective, incontrovertible facts.
What you claim meanwhile as "winning" is mostly hopium and vapoware.
Or you could look at it another way, Russia is convincing Ukrainians and the world its bad to be an American proxy through the battlefield. Since Western propaganda overwhelms Russian ones in breadth and saturation, using reality to show the world is the best way they know how.
The low intensity Ukrainian war is used to train up the Russian military to modern standards for a real war against NATO. In the background they're silently ramping up production of game changer weapons like Oreshniks and modernising the Soviet nuclear arsenal after years of neglect. They've been shying away from escalation with NATO despite taking hits because their internal calculations shows they're not ready. The strikes on the American factory are signs the calculus is changing, they're now more confident in their build up and are prepared to move onto the next phase in the conflict.
As for Syria and flipping of the former Soviet states, the west always had the edge in propaganda for a long time and the world is filled with lackluster countries who can't get their act together. At some point its just the survival of the fittest - countries with bad internal security will get couped. There's little Russia can realistically do unless these countries allow FSB agents to run wild inside their borders.
>Or you could look at it another way, Russia is convincing Ukrainians and the world its bad to be an American proxy through the battlefield.
And that worked so well that Sweden, Finland, Moldova, Armenia and Azerbaijan all lined up to be American proxies since the SMO started.
Because guess what? In the real world strength is respected and weakness is not. It's as simple as that. And Russia's behavior has been an endless parade of pathetic weakness.
When you cannot protect your own population from non-stop bombing even though you have the most powerful arsenal in the world, well...
So OTAN is gearing up to fight the war they have already lost by building more of the equipment that has proven to be less than effective, and not having the troops to man them either.
Meanwhile Russia is building production lines for effective tools and China is showing off gen 6 stealth fighters and UAV.
How does NATO think this is going to pan out for them?
I really think the whole of the present Western leadership is basically a rotten Rent-a-Gang and rational geopolitics is something that they have zero use for. When I look back to 1914, over a century ago, from that point on a systematic self-destruction of the West started by you know (((who))).
Given that not a single of the Russian wunderwaffes with no analogs in the world, or even the regular lower-tech drones and missiles, has hit anything in Europe or the US, NATO is likely thinking that everything is going and will go quite well for them, because Russia will continue to retreat instead of fighting, and the Chinese will turn out to be the same cowards.
It is hard to blame them for thinking that given the recent history.
GM: I agree. The EU lives in a comfortable dream world, far removed from reality. Just one Russian missile attack on a fat juicy military target somewhere in Europe, would shatter the EU dream, and send the Eurocrats running for a change of underwear.
"Article 5" is another Euro fantasy. An attack on one, will be met with much indignation and sabre-rattling by others, but other than that... no military response. It won't happen and it can't happen.
First off, there is no longer any European military might to speak of. Second, there is no real political conviction (translation: spineless politicians), and thirdly, there is almost zero public motivation for military action of any kind which would involve Europe directly.
I'm pretty sure that the Kremlin knows all of this, that's why the Russians can humour the West by pretending to go along with the games the West likes to play. The West has dug itself into a big hole, and insists on digging further. Meanwhile, Russia continues according to it's own plans.
Europeans, of course are congenital wimps, geriatric metrosexual nonces and ponces so effeminate that they make Liberace look like Mike Tyson by comparison.
Europeans, of course, would immediately run screaming to the United States.
Amazing that we've been beating the shit out of everyone for centuries then isn't it?
The cheese eating surrender monkeys conquered Vietnam, the last people to conquer Afghanistan, the homosexual Greeks and we've beaten up practically everyone at some point
Russia is demilitarising NATO. Andrei Maryanov..Somebody you should respect if you were not a 6th columnist, fulfilling the British provocation of an all.out nuclear war which will erase their whooping debt and destroy Europe and the US, not the British empire in Canada and Australia. Fortunately 6th columnists like you are irrelevant in Russia.
How many F-22s, F-35s, B-2s, B-52s, B-1s and AWACS planes and drones has Russia shot down?
How many satellites has it destroyed?
How many aircraft carriers, Aegis destroyers, Ohio-class SSBNs, and Los Angeles-class SSNs has it sunk?
Zero, zero, and zero.
So everything relevant to a direct NATO-Russia war has been completely untouched on the NATO side. Meanwhile Russia has lost plenty of planes, ships, air defense systems, a six-digit number of soldiers, etc.
Zero zero zero 😅. Yes my Fuhrer. F-16s, Bradleys, Abrams, Himars, 777s, Leopards, ATTACMS, that of course means nothing for you, you are more hardcore. Havent you finnished your 9-5 daily disinfo yet?
It is obvious that neither the US, nor Europe is thinking that the war is going so well. You say whatever suits you without trying to be minimally objective. Losing quickly the entertainment value.
You are right. No soldiers. To mobilise a population a kind of politics is necessary that contradicts everything the globalist oligarchy has been doing for decades. If would need a Western Perestroika, and as in the Soviet case that would bring a change of so-called elites.
On Vampire drones, I listened to this podcast the other day:
WTF Conspiracy ? Operation Disclosure Podcast
July 25,2025 “Exposed:33rd Degree Mason Reveals Freemasonry’s Darkest Secrets
The secret and mentally retarded belief is immortality is granted by raping children ie sexual vampirism……Horror of Horrors…Epstein etc , they are all compromised and so eager to follow their masters…..what was that story where the mental patients take over the asylum fooling the newly arrived Intern….that explains the eu uk usa to a T.
About the alleged database of Ukrainian dead and wounded, there may be a purely technical answer for what appears to be an unrealistically high number.
A raw data dump is easy to misinterpret without an entity relationship diagram (ERD) and a data dictionary (a description of the purpose and limitations of each table and field). These are typically saved on a different server from the actual database for security reasons.
So a database row query like "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM TBL_Soldier WHERE STATUS IN ('Deceased', 'Wounded');
might return an inaccurate number if:
1. The database contains duplicates, i.e. separate records/rows for the same person
2. The database also contains soldiers who died before the conflict started
3. The hackers misinterpreted the data and were querying the wrong fields.
Despite our gracious host's downplaying of the numbers, that 1.7 million is *not* unrealistic.
The Ukrainian people counting graves in those cemeteries visible from space had that number at 640k in *April* (I'll note their telegram channel has gone silent about then). Add to that the UAF penchant for throwing bodies in holes at the trench line, then a million dead is reasonable, and another 700k combat incapable is on the low side, as these things go.
Then there's the 300k with missing limbs that Ukraine added to their disabled roster over the last year ( who knew office work could be so dangerous?)
I've long held that Ukraines claims of Russians killed is simply their own losses with a factor applied and their current guess is to have killed 1.07 million Russians so far.
I don't have a problem with the numbers as it includes missing soldiers. However I still think its fake because if it is was real, it'd be a real slap in the face of the Kiev regime that the Russians would want everybody to know asap. The proof would be easy - simply upload the torrent of the raw files for everyone to see and publishing the database online like wikileaks. Undeniable and easily searchable for everyone in the world.... but they haven't done that.
As it stands this is looks to be a fake leak like the Panama Papers.
If the 1.7 million figure it’s true than it’s more than double than most pro Russian estimates guessed. It’s truly at that point unconscionable for the war to continue. It shows that Ukrainian leaders are foreigners and foreign led. What patriot can want the war to continue. Only the truly insane death cult Nazis could want to throw so much of their people away for nothing. Russia isn’t going WW2 angry on them. I think at this point EU leaders are kicking the can down the road to avoid a massive refugee crisis as it’s possible 10+ million refugees flee Ukraine for the wealthy EU states and Britain. Also the vile NATO generals figure better to have the Ukrainian men die than being incorporated into the Russian army and state.
So, what has Russia been waiting for all this time?
Colossal Cracks: Montgomery's 21st Army Group in Northwest Europe, 1944-45
by Stephen Ashley Hart (2007) might give you food for thought.
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lol
For those of you who still insist that Russia is giving up on some of its stated objectives, I think the above Lavrov statement answers that question quite well. There will be no compromise.
Russia is offering Ukraine a huge compromise by not defeating it and leaving it intact when it is said to be so weak. The only way to denazify is to occupy.
If you don't occupy, you don't denazify.
Well, maybe. I suspect Russia will make certain that a Russian-friendly government is put in place that will outlaw nazism and remove all nazis from positions of power. It is possible that under terms of surrender, Russia might install a joint civilian/military junta to govern until the country is stabilised, a new constitution is written and elections can be held. Russia will likely take care of any nazi troops remaining if they haven't already been destroyed by then.
I don't think occupation will be necessary - besides, I don't think Russia has the manpower for a full occupation, do you?
Russia doesn't even want to live with the western Ukrainians, the ethnic leavings of the Polish-Lithuanian mpire. I really think the smartest thing to do is to stir the pot of esastern and central Europe by suggesting that the Transcarpathian area revert to Hungary as part of the deal.
"ethnic leavings" :)
what about outlawing the jew and removing all jew from power?
The problem with that is you would be left with no one to rule.
Either from the old regime or the likely new.
Yanukovich?
The goyim have plenty of people to fill the governmental slots, provided Nuland and her cookies are kept out of the picture.
"I suspect Russia will make certain that a Russian-friendly government is put in place that will outlaw nazism and remove all nazis from positions of power."
Let us know how Russia will do that, without occupying the country. Do you not recall the coups in 2005 and 2014?
Russia did it for many years, without occupying the country. But then the US weenies decided that Ukraine MUST pass to American control and they began buying and training up the "new generation" of modern Ukrainians, while sending Americans to staff their high-level government positions. Russia knows that game, too. Be patient. How long must WWII have seemed, or God help us, WWI? (Of course Lenin chose total control of the new Empire over winning a war he no doubt knew would one day roll around again...)
"But then the US weenies decided that Ukraine MUST pass to American control and they began buying and training up the "new generation" of modern Ukrainians, while sending Americans to staff their high-level government positions"
So, it worked. And Russia has been unable to generate a countercoup.
Otherwise, just more wishful thinking and promising us that The Great Pumpkin will show up, any day now.
Russia always was putting Ukraine first. Ukraine, Belorus, Moldova, Baltics were always the "showcase" of socialism - Russian specialists, after the graduation from universities were sent to these republics, scientific centers were built, the local "cadre" was supported/promoted just like now DEI in the US. Any "national candidate" had priority acceptance/scholarships to the hard to get into Moscow's most prestigious universities.
Ukraine decided the above was all due and its self-importance was fanned/abused by the West to make Ukraine do its bidding.
In 2013, Russia offered $16 billions to Ukraine for co-operation with no strings attached, EU offered the same with "austerity." Yanukovich did the math and was leaning toward co-operation with Russia, but Nuland & Co couldn't afford it.
Actually, 2014 is a pretty good example of how that can be done - coup, then install the right people, get the army on their side, begin a massive indoctrination programme, etc. No occupying army necessary.
So, whst was Russia waiting for? Why did they not do likewise if they were able to do so?
Realpolitik. Used to be the Soviet specialty, against the US "idealists." Now the US has adopted all the BEST Soviet tricks, from non-stop propaganda to sabotage and subversion. They fail on the propaganda point -- although like cheap reality shows, cheap propaganda is easy for the illiterati to swallow.
A friendly regime in Kiev is a necessity. But Russia must also construct at least two military bases in Western Ukraine to intensively monitor cross-border trade flows and intervene/interdict when necessary. Since W. Ukraine will be hostile territory these bases need to be supplied on the border by Belarus and Transnistria. That's the only way to guarantee neutrality, demilitarization and deNazification
You propose the same thing I do, Victor. I say occupy, meaning what you say, "I suspect Russia will make certain that a Russian-friendly government is put in place that will outlaw nazism and remove all nazis from positions of power. It is possible that under terms of surrender, Russia might install a joint civilian/military junta to govern until the country is stabilised, a new constitution is written and elections can be held. Russia will likely take care of any nazi troops remaining if they haven't already been destroyed by then". So how does Russia get there? Russia could neutralize Ukraine by surrounding and sieging Kyiv and setting new lines north and south of it. That would also force AFU defensive lines to surrender en masse due to a lack of supply lines and being encircled by Russian forces. It's just a large-scale maneuver that the Russians are already executing small scale. It's not full occupation but a strategic occupation neutralizing Ukraine's ability to keep fighting. I should have clarified that.
Congrats on being first, huh?
That is certainly one option. Not being a military man I suspect there are several others as well.
Was I first? O My! 😉
It's certainly not up to me, and it is a matter of opinion, but I say no, no and no. Getting Russia to absorb a shattered and ruined Ukraine would be something MI6 and the CIA could drink free on for a decade. The west directly contributed to wrecking Ukraine, and then the patsy Russians swept in and went broke trying to rebuild it.
By all means Russia should take the East; it's a valuable area for industry and agriculture, and by setting manageable goals, Russia could probably do it up right without taking on huge dollops of debt - which is the reality that insulates it from economic harm from sanctions; it has the lowest debt in the G20 by far.
Even more to the point, sticking Europe with a rump Ukraine broke and devastated by war, always opening its beak like a baby bird and begging to be fed by a crumbling union whose big players - with the exception of Germany - all owe well over 100% of their GDP in accumulated debt, is just simple justice.
I agree with you, Mark. Russia shouldn't absorb a shattered and ruined Ukraine, but to have operational control.
They might be able to occupy the border regions of the west, along the 1914 border say. Then they limit who goes into core Ukraine without having to actually occupy all of it.
Why do you think Ukraine is weak? Few countries can boast of a million man army and few can receive the support Ukraine has. I think you underestimate them. I'm sure the Russians don't.
Ukraine's weakness is in letting its extreme nationalist ideology to be exploited by the foreign elements, over-estimating its place on the totem pole, geopolitical naïveté combined with enormous greed.
You misspelled "Russia's." But the extreme nationalist ideology has been fomented from above.
Really? Care to elaborate?
The actual strength of the Ukrainian Ground Forces is actually about a quarter of that. I realize the infantry is pirating personnel from the Navy and Air Force, and probably the cooks and stewards as well, but they have nowhere near a million-man army. That's the entire strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces including Command and General Staffs, and otherwise the Navy is not doing much right now and the Air Force hardly dares to fly. The vaunted F-16's and donated French fighters mostly fly air-defense missions during Russian strikes, and are not very effective at that, while the Armored Corps stays in the tree line and hopes to remain unseen as it occasionally blasts away at nothing much.
They no longer have the strength they had, but they fielded a million men. Not too many countries have fought a war on that scale in the last 8 decades. People who say they are weak are not to be trusted. I stopped listening to the Duran a long time ago. Simplicius, and many others, provide a more realistic analysis of the situation.
I personally don't think Ukraine is weak, but others do, Alphabet..
We all hope so but the history of this conflict is one of Russian leadership -- Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu (not so much Belousov, he has largely kept his mouth shut, to his credit), etc. -- drawing red lines then the West immediately stepping over those red lines, and the Kremlin just swallowing the L and accepting yet another shifting of the bounds of the previously unthinkable as the new normal.
That is an empirical impossible to wave away fact.
Why would this time be any different?
because Russia was as always preparing for the Big One. It has massive trained up reserves. It has massive quantities of stored armaments. And meantime it is more and more rapidly bloodying Ukraine's nose. Desertions I am sure are going up and up and up. And they ain't comin' back.
So what has Russia been waiting for all this time?
the moment of maximum need
Sounds like cope, unless Russia just likes taking casualties and getting hit by missiles when if could do something about it.
"I could totally beat you up, but I don't want to make you, like, look bad...."
Repeat yourself once for The Feral 1, repeat yourself ad infinitum.
GM
this is a serious war
but still a proxy war
there are No red lines, except that neither side is ready to start a nuclear war
US tried to provoke Russia into war, succeeded
tried to create confusion and disorder in Russia,that would lead to regime change, didn’t succeed
Russia tried blitz, didn’t succeed
Ukraine established itself as a state able to defend itself from all Russia can throw at it, except nuclear weapon.
Russia accepted this, accepted independent Ukraine if it would remain neutral, and refrain from attacking Russia.
Ukraine instructed by US, refused Istambul agreements and lost opportunity to end the war on mutually acceptable terms, quite favorable to Ukraine,
US & Ukraine have since been locked into what looks like attrition war vs Russia
in this war the most important element is not to make big mistakes, to correct mistakes as soon as possible, and to force the opponent to make mistakes
and to do it one needs all usual faculties, skills, but most of all patience
Russia is successfully destroying Ukrainian army, and although with enough money, weapons, US can create another iteration of Ukrainian army, losses are not sustainable longterm
psychologically and politically if war continues on current trajectory Ukraine will continue fighting and retreating
until either border of Donbas is reached or frontline collapses
once this point is reached, and still one has to somehow plead for a ceasefire,
not only future casualties are clearly useless, in vain, and motivation to fight lessens
but complete US/Ukrainian strategy is being demonstrated as obvious failure
Russian demands from summer 2024 may look relatively constrained, but they are political dynamite, as they cannot be accepted by current Ukrainian leadership, or any US sponsored leadership. To accept these reasonable demands and start building a new, independent, neutral Ukraine, a complete change of political elite is necessary
so, yes Russia is boiling the frog,
preparing both Ukraine, US as well as Europe to accept defeat,
US and Europe can do little to change the trajectory of the war on the battlefield in Ukraine, because they cannot send men. Russia wins.
US and Europe can supply technology for Ukraine to build or just assemble drones, cruise missiles, to strike inside Russia. Painful, but not enough to change reality. Russia will strike fiercer, Russia wins.
US can pressure Russian allies globally, Venezuela, or western African states directly with military forces, main allies India, China economically. Russia wins.
US and allies can try to stop oil trade, sanction ghost fleet. Dangerous approach it may end in conwoys being escorted by joint Russian, Chinese, Indian Navy. Russia wins.
US and allies can try to make Russia vulnerable, most likely by attacking Russian airforce in a major operation.
With patience, and no major mistakes, Russia wins.
>With patience, and no major mistakes, Russia wins.
Not at all.
Russia is not the USSR, it is at best at a third of the USSR's strength (lost half the population, got deindustrialized). It does not have the infinite resources to throw at the meat grinder in perpetuity. Even if it had 50 million young Uzbeks, Tajiks, Azeris, etc. in a hypothetical scenario in which the USSR still existed, it would have been collapsed under this sort of pressure. The USSR collapsed under much less stress, mind you.
You cannot win a war of attrition in which you are taking increasingly painful hits and your rear is no longer untouchable but the enemy is untouchable. That is a recipe for losing.
Most importantly, and as I have explained many times, there is a fundamental asymmetry here that plays in Russia's favor -- the US will not go to total nuclear war over its proxies.
Thus Russia can physically eliminate the proxies and occupy the space they were once located in, thus pushing the US out, and the US will not dare strike back.
In fact, that is precisely how you make sure the US will not dare strike back -- by showing unmistakable deadly intent and unflinching resolve.
Not showing it what has allowed escalation to get to this point
GM,right
I appreciate that you do not have patience, and it is your right and privilege to be impatient as a commenter on Simplicius‘s.
It is different if you are leader of a superpower, have 7000 nuclear weapons, and a fate of your state and nation in your hands.
But you are also wrong, and Putin is right. Russia is winning the war of attrition, after three years of war, Ukraine has not enough infantry. And this lack of infantry this gap in number of soldiers will only grow.
The only way for US to win now is for Russia to do something stupid, like something you suggest.
You are pushing the rhetorics that would help enemies of Russia, if it were implemented. Repeatedly.
You are either a useful idiot, or an MI6/SBU agent.
Please explain to us how Russia is going to win the war if thousands of heavy cruise missiles destroy its MIC and infrastructure in the coming couple years while Putin sits on his hands and does not fire a single shot back?
Because that is where this is all heading.
It's either that, or Putin nukes the proxies and physically throws the US out of Eurasia. But he won't have the capability to do that forever, it will be degraded eventually if he keeps taking the hits and turning the other cheek.
" Russia is winning the war of attrition, after three years of war, "
How many Russians have died so far ?
It has long occurred to me that GM is pushing a counter-Putin narrative to Russian expats as part of color revolution strategy.
Korkyrian. In what sense "useful"?
"The unthinkable" for Russia is NATO weapons and troops at Russia's border, and the leadership is doing an excellent job at enforcing that red line.
Trump doesn't want US boots on the ground, and the EU doesn't have any to put there anyway, and couldn't afford to support or arm them even if it did.
If you stand back from the conflict, and see the bigger picture, Russia is getting all it wants by force of arms, and nothing the west does with regards to red lines on either side is achieving their objectives.
They may set 'em up, but Russia just knocks them down.
Ha, ha...'armed to the teeth', my, yes. Finland is a thoroughly dangerous nation. Interestingly, its primary strength is regularly cited as being that it has a conscript military, with hundreds of thousands of citizens who have received military training; oddly enough, this is also regularly cited as a weakness for Russia, at least by nations who have all-volunteer forces. But I suppose we should have become accustomed by now to a thing being either super-great or super-terrible, depending entirely upon whether or not it accrues to the side of goodliness and freedom.
>"The unthinkable" for Russia is NATO weapons and troops at Russia's border, and the leadership is doing an excellent job at enforcing that red line.
???
Right as we speak there are thousands of NATO soldiers right at Russia's border, and they are firing into Russia 24/7.
All the way to the Urals, soon beyond that too.
A HIMARS strike just took out a major oil pipeline in Bryansk, and all the HIMARS is manned and targeted by US personnel.
They even did a large-scale invasion last year, and held Russian territory for half a year, slaughtering thousands.
How is that "an excellent job at enforcing the red line"?
What parallel reality are you lunatics living in?
Putin will hang... the evidence is clear, Putin has been desperately trying to appease the Americans, look at all the countless hours of interviews he's given, Oliver Stone, Tucker, etc.. buddy up with Trump! delusional minded Russian. Reminds one of when Hitler signed a pact with Stalin, only to betray him. Ring a bell... they've been enemies since 1917, 1 or 2 presidents won't change the playbook.
So in your reality...Ukraine is winning?
This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia over Ukraine.
If you think it is, you have absolutely no idea what is happening.
This is a war between the West and Russia over Russia itself.
Ukraine has lost the war, sure.
But so far so has Russia, and the trend is extremely negative.
The West is winning decisively.
An empirical impossibke to wave away fact... I like the way you fact. You are certainly a member of the Russian Academy of Science.
no Odessa -- no end to war. And Putin does want it to end, but he has a couple of major objectives to take. After that, I'd pour grease over the rest of Ukraine, that poor landlocked nation, so that the wolves of Europe can descend on it and feast.
Poootin spiked the grease with some UKR - don't eat it, it's lethal !
The notion of a negotiated resolution is absurd. The U.S. has nothing to negotiate with, and nothing to trade. The SMO will end on Russia's terms.
US can trade on a ”permanent” security solution for both Russia and Europe. The SMO will solve nothing, just be the beginning of an even greater war.
No. The SMO will bring a regime change in Kiev and settle the thing in Russia's favour and that will be the end of it.
A true SMO believer…
yep! Brainwashed, Mikey. Turning wishes into reality. lol
Nuclear war now!
There will be no mutually assured destruction. This conflict will remain conventional. (in my opinion)
US can promise something? Sure. See your Kol Nidrei.
You sure seem fixated on that.
Why the displeasure?
lol
Americans, in general, where ever they are abroad, must be killed. Ideally Washington has to be destoyed with nuclear strikes.
Certainly not americans as whole. America is a huge continent with many countries, many of which with decent people. You're for sure talking about the terrorists in North America, especially in the USA. Overall, disgusting people indeed. I'm not one to go as far as you, but I would definitely say north americans should be prevented from entering any other country. Wherever north americans are allowed to go, death and chaos follows. North americans are like parasites, they just want to consume other peoples resources, pillage, rob, do frauds, lie, deceive and then move to the next target. Being from a country with a lot of tourism, mostly from british (which are as bad as USA people), but USA people tend to be the most obnoxious, know it all, supremacist, egomaniacs that think they own the world. Absolutely despicable.
I'm from the USSA and I despise everything we're doing and/or have done geopolitically for the past three plus decades. There are many like me that feel the same way... Chip
And yet the ones among you who *are* doing those things walk around freely and without regard. Their necks unstretched, their houses unburned, their cars unbombed.
Kind of seems like you're not *that* unhappy with them...
What do you suggest we do then? I'm powerless as an individual to stop Washington DC from doing anything. Our country has been taken over by nefarious (((sources))) and they have completed the "long march" through our institutions. They control everything. Academia, the media, the medical/pharma community, banking and finance, the Judiciary, and our Administrative State. I don't know where you are from but you clearly do not understand how huge the United States is and how differently and diversely the 330 million people think... Chip
Many "Canadians" wanna "go back home" bringing Canadian pension $s with them.
I believe an overall ban of Americans being able to travel anywhere abroad is essential. Telling who is an American from who is CIA is impossible. Failing that you "Kill them all and let God sort them out."
OR you can deal with your very own Compradors.
F^ck you AntonioB...just kill yourself and make the world a better place.
Don't feed the troll mate.
Lost my cool…I'll admit it.
Not without reason mate. 👍
Ya gotta either nuke, feed or mate (with) him !
Nuke him !
But first, an atomic wedgie, flogging, 36 hours in the pillory and a penultimate course of hot tar and feathers.
SHHH ! Don’t disclose our Atomic Wedgie tech or plans - a heavily guarded secret since Primary School !
Sadly Mikey, there will be no security guarantees for the "joe public European" victims of the terrorist backlash unleashed by Ukrainians seeking revenge in shopping centres, sports venues and pop concerts or whatever. Their country is awash with weapons and explosive materiel. They've got the means, methods and motivation to cause havoc.
that's just dumb -Ukranians are fellow whites - as a Russians. the problem is the jew and its importation of non-whites to Europe
yes, that must be a part of the settlement -- what are the rules going forward? Should Russia allow NATO to encircle it with every neighbor armed by the USA? Should NATO's security outweigh that of the rest of the world? Such questions were taboo for the last 35 years. We must demand a public and political discourse on this matter that is so conveniently passed off as "helping Ukraine." Fuck Ukraine.
Ukraine is a proverbial sacrificial lamb on the altar of banking cabal and supranational fascist mega corporations.
Financial capital is in a constant need of loot. Hence the rivers of human blood and mounds of human flesh.
And don’t forget the non-stop pedophile scandals involving the psychopaths in the highest ‘echelons of power.’
The owners of the collective west use NATO (and other thuggish services like mossad, CIA, MI6) at their, owners, pleasure.
Russia has already rejected, consistently, any notion of a "security solution" that leaves Ukraine in a de facto military alliance with NATO.
Sure, but there's not a single government or media outlet in the west, that listens to any of it.
Also, as I've stated in another comment, Ukraine is already in NATO. It is completely controlled by NATO, it receives supplies, weapons, money, intelligence data, ammunition from NATO,. Salaries are paid by NATO. Absolutely everything in Ukraine is already NATO. Ukraine is already a member of NATO and has received more from NATO countries, than even USA did when it triggered article 5 in 2001, after the attack on the twin towers. So what exactly will these "security guarantees" do more than article 5, which is already not what many think it is. Many think article 5 is one country is attacked, everyone joins in. That's false and not what's in the text at all. Article 5 is what every NATO country is doing with Ukraine already. They send everything and the kitchen sink to the nazis in Ukraine, including manpower. And they are still losing...So not sure what they think they can do by putting on a piece of paper that Ukraine gets article 5 like security guarantees, because that's exactly what Ukraine is already getting, with disastrous results.
Bingo.
You are replying on something not mentioned.
Ukraine is one thing.
A security solution for Europe and Russia another.
We need another INF-treaty for example. You can invite Russia into NATO, then neither is a threat to anybody.
Incorrect. it's all about the european security agreement. Because USA (through NATO) wants to control everything. And Russia is not willing to allow that. The NATO expansion to the east was/is USA's attempt to continue its hegemonic interests and Ukraine was another cog in the machine, one very useful because it was right next to Russia and it's a huge country with dozens of millions of cannon fodder to serve the evil interests of the USA psychopaths.
Also your lack of knowledge of history, continues to impress. Russia tried to enter NATO and was immediately denied, because the USA evil cabal wants full control over its vassals, It does not allow peer super powers to be next to it.
You dont know anything about my knowledge of history.
The SMO will solve plenty, besides being the beginning of an even greater NATO/Russo war (NATO is the United States).
USA / NATO cannot sustain any war for a long time. They either go nuclear and get wiped out as well, or they will continue using proxies. Ukraine is an excellent proxy, willing to destroy itself to please its master. Afghans realized very quickly and decided not to die for the evil master that invaded them. Ukrainians overall don't have the brain matter to do that.
"The SMO will solve nothing"
It looks like its already solved quite a lot, or didn't you see the supreme leader of the EU being summoned across the Atlantic only to be told she is irrelevant and told to sit in the corridor.
Not only is the SMO achieving its objectives in Ukraine proper, it is also stretching the EU to breaking point and exposing its glaring weaknesses for the world to see.
Not bad going if you ask me.
Indeed. And let's not forget that a stated goal of the war was de-militarize and de-nazify Ukraine. And Russia is not just achieving that, but is also achieving de-militarization of the entire NATO, because the SMO exposed how bad industry is in USA and its vassals in Europe. And in Europe, especially, in dumb land Germany, they even made decisions to cripple themselves in terms of energy, which would be vital for industry development of any kind. With the current policies, Germany destroyed itself and any potential for growth, to please the USA. Europe is being vassalage. It's just a plain slave with chains.
They did it by their own stupidness. Nothing to do with your sacred SMO.
Omg…
True believers crying out the Gospel of the SMO.
Any chance you can actually point out specifically what is incorrect in my comment, or are you just going to do your little attention seeking verbal dance?
They (UK/EU) did it by their own stupidness. Nothing to do with your sacred SMO.
Why do you have to resort to extremes? Just because the SMO looks to be going successfully in my opinion doesnt mean its sacred to me. You have some bizarre ways of expressing yourself.
Who are you trying to impress here, why don't you just point out why you think I'm wrong without all these histrionics? Are you the substack bully or something?
So the SMO had nothing to do with VdL being humiliated in front of the world and the rest of the main EU leaders looking like naughty school children being given detention?
The UK/EU ELITES did it by their own desperation, cowardice & venality.
& they are appearing ever so more right as time goes on.
Lukaschenko thinks Putin is a p…..
https://www.rt.com/russia/623428-putin-vetoed-oreshnik-kiev/
GM is going to be spitting his coffee out across his kitchen when he reads this.
Maybe GM & Feral Fin ARE Lukaschenko !
More like flinging his scat from his crib.
I KNOW you have the mind of a child, or of a typical Murikan adult.
Mikey. The US can't "trade on a "permanent" security solution" because it has proved itself incapable of keeping its promises.
True about keeping promises or even written agreements.
Whenever a country is ”governed” by the Deep State, who has no accountability to the public voters, there is this problem. And if you have some tribesmen doing politic behind hidden doors it is hard to now who is signing the agreement and the worth of it. Never forget when Obongo signed the closing of Guantanamo illegal prison but nothing happened at all…
US has a deep problem so to say.
If Trump signs something, Gavin Newsom will tear it up when the demonrats install him as next President.
I doubt Trump will be able to kill the Deep State within US, he has certainly proved is alligiance to the tribesmen of Israel.
Yup.
Yes - time after time after time after time.
Meagre Russian terms.
Exactly, especially when the one claiming to want that negotiated resolution, is the USA, the main culprit for this war.
hey, hey, hey -- not so quick! The US president can take us to war with Russia by providing air defense and offensive air capabilities to Ukraine. If Ukraine can't fucking defend itself, it shouldn't be in a war. And DJT is NOT taking the US into this more deeply.
He already did. The orange idiot already owns this war. He did before during his first term, when he was sending money and weapons to Ukraine and was nearly inpeeched because of a call with nazi dictator Zelensky, and used those money and weapons as a "quid pro quo". The money and weapons still went to Ukraine. Today, Trump owns the war directly and he's making things worse by constantly threatening Russia, China, India, Brazil, Iran, etc and whoever doesn't agree with USA. Trump is a warmonger of the worst kind. And if to protect his nazi friends in Ukraine, goes the secondary sanctions route against China for example, USA will pay a really heavy price and I will certainly love it. The orange idiot is idiot enough to do it.
Honestly, i think Trump 's histrionics are irrelevant.
The State Department decides policy.
Trump obviously had no interest in Ukraine or fighting Russia, but he's only President, he doesn't get to decide.
"And DJT is NOT taking the US into this more deeply." You sure are trying hard to convince yourself of this, eh?
It is sad, but it is the reality of our times. The Trump administration can't even normalize relations with Russia, so they have nothing to offer. All they can do is scurry away from the Ukraine ignominiously, keep on fighting until certain defeat or the unthinkable.
People will continue dying and suffering because western financial capital needs Russian, Iranian, Chinese, Syrian et al. resources. Looters (money lenders)need more Loot by any means. The big-time cannibals and thieves reside at The City of London & FedReserve; they are served by moral eunuchs and compradors occupying the US congress and EU parliament.
Can't or doesn't want to ? Trump administration is simply continuing the Biden policies, but doing it worse. Biden at least owned the fact he was a warmonger. He stated it publicly every time he could. Trump however, claims to be a "peacemaker", while doing everything a true warmonger would do. A liar, deceitful, blabber mouth orange idiot that says one thing one day and the opposite 5 minutes later. Trump is absurdly untrustworthy, more even than Biden, which I thought could not happen so soon...I was clearly wrong.
The lying of Trump and Biden before him is a sympthom of the ungovernable state of the US as well as of the patent duplicity that government has always shown. The factions all want their money and their war and their dog and pony shows now, before the whole thing goes under and there is no strategy except the chaos strategy. The presidency just dodges the internal obstacles to try to impose their goals, but it’s a muddle. This excuses no crimes but explains the inconsistensy. It's a oligarchy in “Aprés moi, le déluge” mode. Some of them even understand it.
Ursula and wicked Borrell said: The war will be decided in the battle field..So be it
The plan ever always only was for the United States to get dragged in.
Trump is mousetrapping himself quite nicely.
LOL you're giving the europeans too much credit. The plan was created by USA, not europeans. Europeans don't have the brains to do anything. They're just vassals, corrupt slaves that will do anything for their master.
The hubris of USA was that they thought Russia would simply collapse over sanctions, which is why initially they weren't sending heavy weapons to Ukraine. When Russia was not kneeling over sanctions, that's when the west started sending tanks and missiles and all that. And they continued escalating, as Russia continued to not only resist the western attacks, but actually move forward in Ukraine and decimating the ukrainian military. The plan was never to reach this point. The RAND report form 2019 basically proves it. The intention was to use the proxy to destabilize and over extend Russia, not to get involved like they are now and are still losing. Which is why desperation is settling in, because a defeat of Ukraine means the end of NATO.
There are those that constantly talk about Ukraine needing to be in NATO, etc etc, but that's BS. Ukraine is already in NATO. Ukraine is already receiving more than any country every did, including the USA when it triggered article 5 after the attacks in 2001, from NATO. Ukraine has received everything from weapons, ammunition, intelligence, communications, money and manpower from the west, like no other country ever did. Ukraine is already in NATO and once it is defeated, NATO is obsolete.
Hell, getting Americans to fight european wars has been european strategy since WWI.
USA never fought any war for the interests of others. Only their own. In fact most of the time, USA created the wars themselves, which is the case of this one.
Yes, of course the US created WWI, tricking Franz Josef to visit Sarajevo with the promises of some new ragtime records, and forced Germany to attack Poland, the poor dears. They also enticed Britain and France to attack Libya, etc. etc..
The British, the best friends of Portugal
You know, Politugol, you seem to have a keen understanding of the situation in Ukraine. Rabid anti-US rants excepted, of course.
I do, because I did my homework. In 2014 I was like many here, that just consume western media and that's it. But many things didn't add up and I started looking for answers elsewhere and my eyes were finally open.
And they were open to the evil nature of USA and its vassals. There's no way to sugar coat it nor are there any rabid anti-US rants, Just exposing USA and the vast majority of USA people for what they really are.
Some good news breaking. Mad John Boltons home searched by the FBI. Now
Haha. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy….
Dang you think you know a lot of how the ruling class operates eh?
I think that is a wrong evaluation of reality. The US has so far provided reconnaissance and tactical support also for long range attacks.This is very valuable as Ukraine does not have that capability and the Europe has limited ones which is why the US returned back so fast after the Zelensky scene in the white house earlier this year. The US is behind the scenes in all that is happening even if they do not do the fighting and they do not control all that Ukrainian military does. Removing that support would be a huge blow even if Ukraine would probably continue the fight afterwards. Also it is not so that the NATO can do much w/o the US.
The whole gig in which the US pretends to be a neutral negotiator is just a scam and a relatively successful one.
US could offer to withdrW from NATO.
Yes. This looks more and more as the Nothing-burger on the menu.
And how could it be otherwise?
Why didnt Russia do the job of blasting Flextronics long before?
Why do they suddenly choose Zircon for wiping out some Command chains?
Yeah…they experienced the Uki ability to reach deep into Russia and really hurt the oil&gas production. Ukraine even scratched on some buildings for Russian key drone manufacturing.
The biggest elephant in the room is still the SMO and its objectives. Thanks to Simplicius splendid summarys and analysis (and him giving credit to Suriyaks efforts) we can all see that the major operations are in Donbass and the oblast of Donetsk. The missing part is what it is all about. Even the ”negotiations” are about this part of land when Putin himself is dangling a ceasefire if he gets it. But what happens next? Where on the Map do we find Peace?
Interesting to read that Israel has finally openly taking sides with Ukraine, providing those radars. Will Russia answer? They have critizised (of sorts) the genocide in Palestine but are as always reluctant to anger all Oligarchs.
Losses….
Someone gave the figure of amputees in Ukraine, 120 000, and stated that ”normally” that points to a Kill ratio of 9:1. That would mean 1 million Ukrainian men in the the black earth now.
But I think that all those FPV:s is doing the maiming creating all limbs and arms flying in the air.
Are we seeing the final run?
I doubt.
We've been over this previously several times.
After June 12 any Trump threats have to be taken extremely seriously.
He did threaten Iran with a two-month deadline, then Iran was hit on the 61st day, then Trump publicly gloated about how they didn't listen and were hit on the 61st day.
After that particular situation any time Trump opens his mouth with even a vague threat about something bad happening to someone, it has to be taken as a deadly serious threat and acted upon accordingly, up to an including pre-emptive strikes.
Especially in Russia's case, because Russia's size and capabilities mean that if Trump is going to follow up on verbal threats with kinetic action, that kinetic action will have to be something correspondingly grandiose in scope and power.
I am not excluding those possibilities although I think the Iran Mordow/Natanz puncture was a grand gesture to his Israeli lieblings and their project for a New Israel.
Sending long-range weapons to Ukraine is an alternative but then we can forget talks - it would only be explosions hereafter.
Same if he orders an attack on Russia.
Putin has cleverly played along with Trump but is running on a knifeedge. Once Trump gets scuffed you will be his eternal enemy.
What Trump has done is to show Russia that they do not have all the time in the World to take Donetsk ( and that it is better to negotiate this part of the land).
Still we are edging on your favourite scenario: All nukes out.
what exactly could zion Don and the JewSA even do to russia it has not already done?
What happened on June 1st?
Did you expect it as an obvious move?
What else is being prepared that you are not expecting?
P.S. Remember -- the operation was set up to take out the ENTIRETY of Russian strategic aviation AND the AWACS fleet.
Yes but what do you predict.
The most obvious target right now is a collapse of the oil and gas infrastructure in Western Siberia and the Urals.
We are talking about very remote regions where pinpoint drone strikes on pipelines and pumping stations can take out the whole network for a long time as there are many very difficult to access places where those are located in, making repairs slow. The drone just has to fly there and blow up the pipeline, the repair crews have to bring in replacement segments and heavy equipment, over near-impassable swamp and forest terrain.
Very worryingly, and something that of course nobody paid attention to, back in May drones were reported flying on multiple occasions in the Khanty-Mansiysk and Yamalo-Nenetsk regions. It was not specified what kind of drones these were, but given that there were no sightings of them in between those remote places and Ukraine, that there was no way for those to get there from Ukraine, 3000 km away, and that Operation Spiderweb happened shortly after, most likely they were smaller drones launched from within the area. There were no strikes there at the time, but again, Operation Spiderweb happened shortly after, and quite clearly the oil infrastructure in that region is a target too.
Those are very, very soft, impossible to defend targets.
Operation Spiderweb was very much a jew operation similar to in Iran. Wish Russia would define it as terrorist attacks and responding accordingly.
"the operation was set up to take out the ENTIRETY of Russian strategic aviation AND the AWACS fleet." - Ridiculous.
Are you an idiot or yes?
All five bases of the strategic aviation were attacked plus the base of the AWACS fleet, with enough drones to take out all planes.
What saved the planes was that in Ukrainka the truck was stopped before the drones could deploy, in Belaya bystanders jumped on top of it and prevented half of the drones from taking off, and in Engels and Dyagilevo they have been under drone attacks for three years so they had experience in defending against them.
You just called for an immediate RU 1st strike on the USA.
Not on the US, and not a first strike in the usual sense.
A pre-emptive first strike to take out US forward deployed assets to disable the coming first strike on Russia.
That may indeed happen. Just about every action & potential act, for man as well as the state, is best viewed through the lens of “not necessarily, but if necessary”.
The only reason I can think of for the Russians attacking the electronics factory now is the Ukrainians are closer to manufacturing long range missiles.
"final run" suggests we are near the end, but I think the marathon has a long way to go.
Information purposes:
Ukraine’s Flamingo missile with 3,000 km range enters serial manufacturing
https://www.msn.com/en-us/technology/general/ukraine-s-flamingo-missile-with-3-000-km-range-enters-serial-manufacturing/ar-AA1KIi3N
Unbelievable! Russia Just Smashed NATO’s €5B Ukraine Missile Project to Pieces!
https://youtu.be/I4pGZQwRD2k
Ukraine's long-range missiles are not built in Ukraine.
Why, when manufacturing can be carried out in a NATO country, safe from any Russian strikes and transported freely over undamaged transport infrastructure?
But sending them as spare parts is less visible and slapping a made in Ukraine sticker on them gives plausible deniability. 👍
What ? When did Putin talk about a ceasefire if Russia gets Donbass ? You are of course reading too much western media and assuming it's true. But the reaction by any rational person in regards to western media is: it's all a lie, it's all propaganda, go find other sources.
Western media is nothing more than CIA propaganda And it's not just in USA. All over Europe this is the case. In Portugal, portuguese "media" does absolutely no journalism. it simply translates to portuguese what the CIA powered Washington Post and New York Times write.
As for the ukrainian nazis ability to strike Russia's energy facilities, this is nothing new and it's something Ukrane couldn't do without the support of the entirety of NATO. And let's not forget the so called "energy ceasefire" from a couple of months ago that Trump claimed to have brokered, which Ukraine did not respect, without a single complaint from Trump's side. Why ? Because that's what USA and its vassals do. They propose to do something, but never respect it, while expecting the other side to respect it fully. This was, in my view, one of Russia's biggest blunders. They should NEVER agree to anything the west wants.
Still, Ukraine's ability to cause damage to russian energy facilities ir paltry compared to what Russia does to Ukraine's energy facilities. It's impossible to prevent all damage, but the damage caused by Russia is orders of magnitude larger than what Ukraine can do to Russia.
Ad this is true across the board. Russian soldiers do more damage to ukrainian soldiers, than the opposite, because the attrition that was the stated goal of the SMO since its start, is working very well.
And these numbers from the hackers are perfectly in line with what most that actually follow this war (e.g. those that do not read western media, except for a laugh) have known for a while.
Ukraine is not kidnapping people off the streets, because it's "winning" like western media claims even today. It's not expanding cemeteries to hundreds of thousands of graves, because it's "dominating on the battlefield". it's not begging for more weapons and money and also sanctions against Russia, because it's putting Russia's war machine and economy in "tatters". it does all hat, because its army is reduced to almost nothing. Most of its best trained nazis are either dead or wounded. Ukraine has lack of everything on the battlefields and relies on drones to mitigate their lack of infantry, which everyone that understands war in the slightest, knows is not doable, especially when the lack of components t make more drones, will just make things worse and worse for the ukrainian nazis.
As for the final run, what do you mean ? Are you talking about the "negotiations" or the war itself ?
"Negotiations" in this war are irrelevant and serve only one purpose: optics.
USA is the provoker and creator of this war. it can never be a mediator or setter of demands in it. This is why I said earlier Russia did very bad in accepting the "energy ceasefire" from a few months ago, because it told the USA, the provoker and creaor of this war, that russians are open to accept conditions from the main responsible for this war.
Hopefully that doesn't happen again and Russia continues what it is doing: de-militarizing and de-nazifying Ukraine. And in this process, also de-militarizing NATO too.
As for the war, I have no doubts it's much closer to its end. AS I mentioned and we all know it, Ukraine's army is but a shadow of its former self. They can try and plug the large holes with people kidnapped off the streets, but that means people with no training taking positions on a battlefield. They won't last long. Ukriane's economy is wrecked, Ukraine's industry is wrecked. Ukraine depends exclusively on the financing and weapons supplies of western countries, most of them in recession or with severe debt / economic problems.
And things will only get much worse for the west, if they insist on the sanctions / stealing russian assets. So yeah, the war won't end tomorrow or this year, but it's much closer to its end and Ukraine will cease to exist, something that is beneficial for the entire world.
European countries however, especially the majority that support the nazi sin Ukraine, will get an influx of nazis and terrorism like never before. But this is the consequence for supporting the most disgusting ideology / people on planet Earth. Plus europeans as a whole love nazism, so perhaps they won't matter as much, a long as it's ukrainians doing the terror. They will blame it on the russians of course.
'europeans as a whole love nazism...'. pardon?!
Please let me know the large scale protests in Europe to stop funding, arming and supporting the ukrainian nazis. They don't exist. If you're still in doubt because you are an european and you don't support nazis, then you forget there are 400+ million other europeans that do or stay in silence about it. Just go out on the streets in any european country and ask someone who they support: Ukraine or Russia. 99% will say Ukraine, the remaining 1% will say nothing at all. The support for Ukraine is a de-facto support of nazism, or changing history, of banning languages, of ethnic cleansing, all of which most europeans either support directly or stay silent about it. And please don't say stayin silent about it is not supporting it, because it is. If you are really against something, you say you are against it. Those that aren't against it (or don't care about ethnic cleansings as long as its not them) are supporting it as well.
name the jew...
Sadly, the DEI fantasy here in the USA doesn't take into account the long suffering Russians for consideration....the age old enemy that is reliably called upon for the US hate-fest. The largely ignorant US population just doesn't "do" history so they are easily manipulated to hate anyone, as needed, especially the Russians. This is why we can't have nice things here in the US. Bigly sad.
Occamsrazor. It's not just you mate, we can be whipped in to a frenzy against anyone in about a week.
Across Europe there are large scale protests about the Israeli genocide in Gaza. However, the same people who protest Gaza remain silent or support the proxy war of the West in Ukraine. Here in the UK the anti war movement has as its sole focus: Gaza. Most of the unions condemn the genocide in Gaza but also support the imperialist proxy war in Ukraine. Across the country there are meetings to help set up the new 'left' party to be led by former Labour Party leader Corbyn. At the meetings I've attended or seen online I've not heard anyone come out and oppose the proxy war in Ukraine.
Russophobia is so deeply ingrained in Western societies.
How many anti-Israel, pro Gaza protests are in Russia ?
Um, don't you think that the Russians have more pressing business at hand...like surviving the whole of the west snarling at their heels? I'd give the Russians a pass on this point. The more relevant consideration is why the silence the official west has maintained in relation to Gaza and the behavior of Israel. Riddle me THAT Batman.
Exactly. And the Gaza protests by those people really mean nothing. it's just the so called "virtue signaling". Like some of the european "leaders" claiming to want to recognize the state of Palestine, while supporting Israel with weapons and ammunition and political support everywhere, to continue its genocide in Gaza. Most western people are worthless, have no values nor principles and is more concerned about the optics. What others think of them. Most people in western countries, if asked who they support - Russia or Ukraine - in a public place, will say they support Ukraine, even if they really don't in private (a minority either way) Again, they have no values nor principles. They support whoever or whatever the TV tells them to support and what makes them look better. USA was the worst offender in this regard, With most of its population just being basically retards that follow whatever their government tells them. But europeans are very much like that too now, Absolute brainless zombies that for the most part, support whatever the government tells them to support.
The Allies didn't fight Germany because they were Nazis, they fought Nazis because they were the government in Germany. The idea that WWII was a war against fascism is a modern myth. None of the European governments except Russia sent any aid to the legitimately elected government of Spain when they were fighting fascist rebels and many sent aid to the fascists. If Hitler had been a Social Democrat, but still done all the things he did in the run up to WWII, Britain would still have declared war on him.
and both Spanish and international armed resistance opposing Franco came from untrained workers and (highly idealist) civilians. see also - https://libcom.org/article/armed-resistance-franco-1939-1965-antonio-tellez
who were also just jews and jew propagandized retards. - sort of like now....
Plus countries like Finland and others in Europe, were openly supportive of the german nazis, so european supporting nazis is nothing new, for those that know history...which unfortunately is not the case of most europeans and why the same mistakes are made.
too bad you don't know anything but jew history-- Great Britain declared war on Finland on December 6, 1941.
And that disputes what I said about Finland in what way ? Finland sided with the german nazis, as did other europeans countries. These are historical facts. If you want to dispute them, then use an argument that actually relates to what I wrote.
Also, as I've mentioned to you in other posts / threads, israelis / jews are not different than nazis / fascists. They prove that every single day. And who is backing them ? The same that backs the ukrainian nazis: USA and europeans. The usual suspects that support every extremist ideology.
The ZOGs fought Germany because the Soviet, US and UK government were controlled by the Jew and the NSDAP was an antidote to the jew disease.
"The idea that WWII was a war against fascism is a modern myth."
Comprehending this fact is the beginning of understanding what's happening now.
I you look deeper and research, the 2 World Wars were more of a fight against socialism than fascism. That is the whole Iron Curtain business. Funny how Nazis transitioned into the new West Germany system, running the intelligence, government and how the US seemed to cherry pick the worst of the German and Japanese war criminals.
they are not "nazi" stop using this jew slur word. Are they nationals socialists? NSDAP? German? this word is just to distract from the jew.
Maybe russia should hit occupied palestine where the jew mobile radars are produced. Also hit that stupid Roman stable wall and laugh at the chicken swingers...
Look at how easily they embraced this round of nazism- like they're waiting for it. To them, "nazism" brings "order.' Look who is in the EU governments - who were their parents/grandparents?
Why would "Nazis" flood Europe with Muslims and Africans to displace, eliminate, the White inhabitants ?
exactly. also Canada's Chrystia Freeland and her family's Ukrainian nazi connections - https://www.readtheorchard.org/p/why-chrystia-freelands-nazi-grandfather
Oh, I'm well aware that her grandpa was Ukrainian Goebbels who lived in Lviv in the house confiscated from the jews, when Russians diplomates brought it up at the begining of SMO, they're deported from Canada
Good write!
Yes. My fault, Putin has not expressed it openly in Television. It is ”leaks” and could be disinformation. But, think again. Why would CIA spread this when we all know this is big no-no for Ukraine. Their entire defense is depending on this area (hard to believe that either). The SMO is centered on this area so I think it is true that Putin will be satisfied with getting whole of Donetsk.
Remember that US just now stopped sharing any information with its western partners regarding the negotiations with Russia/Ukraine. The leaks were from UK/France.
If Russia has crippled Ukraine energy infrastructure - how come they party in Kiev and Odessa all night long? How come those factorys/workshop still running 24/7?
Diminishing the damage done to precious Russian infrastructure is self-betrayal.
I dont understand this: ”because the attrition that was the stated goal of the SMO since its start”. So a long attritional War (sorry, special operation) was the plan from the beginning? I cant find any evidence of this sort of statement.
The final run is the showdown, the end, the gritty truth overwhelming us.
You write as I were a US Bootlicker - I am not.
What is evident is that Russia is too weak to force Ukraine into surrender - and they dont even has this as a goal! When all actions on ground and ”negotiations” spin around the four oblast you can forget about de-nazifying or de-militarization.
Ask yourself why Europeans are fearing the ”wrath” of Trump more than Russian revenge? They lap-dance around daddy Donald and the other second calling Putin a flesh-eating troll (Macron two days ago).
Russia cant win this War, sorry succeed with the SMO, being nice.
And I think it is too late to change modus.
No, it's not. And russians, including Putin, have been very clear about it. The only condition to reach a possible ceasefire, is the withdrawl of ukrainians from the 4 regions, not just Donbass. This is what the russians say for more than a yar now, not a single comma was changed.
All that you mentioned, was/is/will be only propaganda from the west, to claim the russians and compromising after all.
And why would the CIA spread that ? Because it works with the dumb european masses. I can tell you that in Portugal, what is on the TV 24/7 is that Russia is weak and its economy is failing and Russia wants to get out of the war as soon as possible, so it will accept whatever the west wants. And when Russia re-states what it already said more than 1 year ago, portuguese media claims Russia is acting in bad faith and going back on tis word, etc etc, when in fact it's western media using itself as a source, to claim things Russia never said. And you did the same just now, which is the typical argument from a brainwashed westerner.
Also, this condition for a ceasefire by the russians, is also one that they know Ukraine and more importantly USA, will never accept, because that effectively means the defeat of USA and the west as a whole. It means the collapse of NATO and European Union, because whether people like to accept it or not, Ukraine is completely controlled by USA / NATO already. It is part of NATO already. It trained every single nazi in Ukraine, every single ukrainian military and they are still losing. Every weapon the ukrainian nazis use, is from NATO. All intelligence ukrainians have, comes from NATO. All of it. And it's being destroyed. Do you think NATO can ever beat Russia, even though what was the best and largest army in NATO, is being destroyed by Russia ?
This is why europeans want the support of the terrorist country of USA. But USA knows every well they can't beat Russia either, in a conventional war. And if it goes nuclear USA is wiped off the map too.
As for "Russia crippling Ukraine but not really", because Ukraine is the largest country in western Europe. Did you know that ? Perhaps look at a map sometime. Russia has many resources, but not infinite. It cannot fire missiles at every building in Ukraine. It prioritizes targets according to intelligence gathering and strike them. You can be sure that if Russia gets Intel that some building is making drones or whatever, that building will come down very soon. For everything else, it takes time to gather information and assign targets.
You seem to be from what I call the "Call of Duty" generation, another CIA propaganda vehicle, where a single man can destroy entire armies and win wars. That doesn't happen. Wars are about resources, logistics, management. Whoever has more and better resources, logistics and management, wins. But it takes time, especially in a large country like Ukraine, that is being armed and financed by 30+ countries.
I didn't diminish the damage to russian infrastructure, but Russia has more of it and the means to fix the damage much faster.
You on the other hands want to make it more than it really is. It's damage no doubt, but compared to what Russia does to Ukraine, it's nothing, unles you think some drones can do more damage than hypersonic or regular cruise missiles, but then I cannot help you there.
Regarding the attrition war, you clearly don't know much about this war, yet here you are talking about it.
No, the russians didn't want a war at all. They went into Ukraine in 2022, after 2 failed Minsk accords, because Ukraine and the west refused to follow them and after russian proposals to rectify Europe's security to prevent further NATO expansion. All refused by te west and USA especially, in 2021.
In 2022 Russia enters Ukraine with a clear goal, to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table, which they did in Istambul in March-April 2022,.
These negotiations led to an agreement between Russia and Ukraine, which again the west sabotaged, especially by UK and USA.
This is when the war really started. However Russia did not have much military in Ukraine at that time. Perhaps 150-200k at most.
And it wasn't prepared for a long term war, because that wasn't its goal. Russia continued the war to capture important cities in Donbass, like Mariupol, but it was trying to re-arrange its military internally while doing so. Near the end of 2022 with Ukraine's Kharkov push, it was clear Russia did not have enough manpower to go against a much larger ukrainian army, that was willing to sacrifice thousands, to take territory from the russians.
This is when Russia did its partial mobilization and when the manpower balancing started. With this partial mobilization and all the volunteers, Russia has now parity / more man power than the ukrainians. Plus the scaling and re-purpose of industry in Russia, allows Russia today to have more of everything than a Ukraine supported by 30+ countries. Again all this takes time. It's not "Call of Duty".
Since the start that the goal was to de-militarize and de-nazify Ukraine. Putin himself stated it in 24 February 2022 when Russia went into Ukraine. But it wasn't a purely military operation. It was mostly a diplomatic one at the start. The agreement of Istambul covered many of these issues, while others were left to be discussed later. But that failed, thanks to the west again, at which point Russia was forced into solving the issue militarily.
You may not be a US bootlicker, but your arguments are the typical brainwashed westerner "arguments", based on western media lies, propaganda and deception.
Russia is not too weak to force Ukraine into surrender. Attrition is working and Ukraine and the west are in desperation mode. They are the ones wanting / begging for ceasefires, not Russia. Only those losing want ceasefires. Also, Ukraine and ukrainians are just too stupid to prevent their ecxtintion, by not accepting to surrender. Which is why the west doesn't let them go. They will never find people s dumb and stupid like Ukrainians, that are willing to destroy their whole country, to please USA and its european vassals. Destroy themselves to please the most disgusting, evil people on earth, says everything about ukrainians, especially those in the center and western Ukraine.
Again, you keep giving "negotiations" too much importance, because that's what western emdia tells you and you believe it. Negotiations are plain theater, precisely to deceive people like you, that think they mean anything. Negotiations exist because orange idiots like Trump want to look like the "peacemaker", while being an actual warmonger of the worst kind. Trump cannot be trusted and Russia knows this. Also whatever Trump says he will do, means nothing. Whatever Trump signs, means nothing also, because anyone else in USA, will revert it. The russians have talked about this many times, they know about it....of course, you don't, because you only know about what russians say, by means of western media e.g. you know nothing about what the russians really say.
You stll don't know what the European Union is. it's a USA creation, controlled by USA. that does nothing without the approval of USA. it's like Ukraine, at a larger scale.
Whatever USA wants, European Union does. That's it. So not sure about your surprise about europeans lap dancing (you word) around Trump. That's their "job".
Russia can and will win this war. it's the west that cannot win this war, as the evidence clearly shows. Again, it's the west wanting a ceasefire, it's the west trying to steal russian assets, it's the west pushing for more and more sanctions. Do you think that if the west was winning, they would do any of this ? If you do, well then you understand even less of reality than I thought. Ukraine is just a sacrificial lamb to the west, but they can't let it go now. It cost too much (sunk cost fallacy at play) and they will never find more dumb people like ukrainians to be their nazi dogs.
"What is evident is that Russia is too weak to force Ukraine into surrender - and they dont even has this as a goal! "
All that is evident is that Russia has not yet forced Ukraine into a surrender for the second time. Why this is is a matter of complete speculation, there could be many reasons for it, including the one you give, which is that doing so is not part of the plan. It is entirely possible that, after their experiences the first time, they have thought twice about pursuing the same course of action again.
What is far more likely is that Russia is looking at the big picture, which is that NATO wants to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, something about which NATO have made no secret. They realise that there is no point in defeating Ukraine if it just means they end up fighting a rearmed Europe five or six years down the line. Since 2014, Ukraine has been a pawn in a bigger process. It started as NATO, through its proxy trying to "extend and weaken" Russia and is now Russia using NATO's proxy as a bargaining chip to construct a security architecture in Europe that doesn't have, on the Western side, an organisation that is specifically anti-Russian. Unfortunately, on the Western side, there are far too many for whom anything that isn't anti-Russian is pro-Russian.
" NATO wants to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, '
FYI. NATO =USA, USA = NATO
Many thanks for the detailed and clear-headed description/summary of what's happening on the ground. The trained seal population here in the US doesn't really know much about what's going on "over there". They vaguely agree that Ukraine must be supported because Putin is evil personified and MUST BE STOPPED. Americans can't be bothered to read/study history so dissembling and threadbare propaganda must fill the gap. Even now, the average American couldn't locate Ukraine on a map. Luckily the NFL is ramping up so Joe Six-pack can move onto the really important stuff. Depressing doesn't begin to describe the situation. The Russians have to bring in the "smelling salts" of destruction on Brit, German and French soil. Nothing less will get their attention.
A slight edit to your reference to USA - it no longer exists as a sovereign nation.
DaUS = USRAEL......for all practical purposes.....however, stay tuned for changes coming. Nothing is static and DaSynagogue of Satan will discover that fact just like it did in 70 AD.
It's the USSA. We traded places with the USSR of 40 years ago. While Russia has become the land of the free and home of the brave, not subject to western woke bullshit... Chip
Excellent summary... Chip
You are beyond help…
Your prejudices of me are laughable.
Take your joint and have a good life.
It's not prejudices. It's exactly what you wrote. All based on claims, lies and propaganda of western media, which basically lies to you every second of every day.
Have a good life too.
Politicugal, I totally agree about the forthcoming terrorist backlash in Europe by highly motivated, very angry and given the circumstances not unreasonable Ukrainians. They will seek revenge and to avenge their fallen relatives. The sad bit is the targets they select will not be Boris Johnson nor Keir Starmer, MI6 HQ, City of London Head Offices nor anything like that, the people and agencies directly responsible. It will be ordinary people out doing a bit of shopping or just living their ordinary lives. Just like their brother, cousin, or uncle who was shoved in a van and ended up dead after four hours in Bakhmut for example.
Yeah, it's a de-facto reality. Ukrainian nazis are roaming european streets by the thousands now. And there will be more as time goes by, because european countries "have" to accept them, no matter what, or their narrative of Ukraine being a saint, innocent country, with no nazis at all, falls to the ground.
As for their targets, I agree with what your saying, but it's time for europeans to stop thinking they are victims in these regards. They are not. If they are these wonderful democracies, then they are reponsible for selecting the absolute filth that are the european "leaders" and thus are responsible for everything that is happening too.
If they are not these wonderful democracies, then europeans really need to shut up about that.
We tried fairly recently to elect leaders who would work for our interest, rather than just sucking up to yours. Those who won office, you murdered or neutered.
USA out of Europe. Then the peoples' wills will be once again meaninhgful.
Are you sure you wanted to reply to me ? That seems directed to someone from USA, which I'm definitely not.
Everything else, agreed. As I mentioned in another post, USA people should be blocked from entering every other country. USA people are like cancer. Wherever they go, they cause problems, chaos and death.
Apologies. You referred to Europeans as "they". I made what seemed a reasonable logical leap.
I dunno, Canada imported Ukrainian SS veterans by the thousands after WWII and didn't see a surge of terrorism.
Didn't England and the US do the same?
Yes, more in the US. Still, in spite of the "stab in the back" and the US being teeming with weapons, we didn't see any Ukrainian terrorism. (There *were* actual attacks in Canada between representatives of the older, pro-Soviet Ukrainian settlement, and the SS veterans and their spawn.)
Yes, we didn't see it yet, but only because it would be the fanatics doing it, and so far and even by now, the fanatics "still believe." Only when the fanatics get disillusioned/feel betrayed, we'll see the outcome.
There are a lot of Ukrainian Canadians here, some of whom I know. Our neighbours were the Kovalchuk's. In fact, grade school consisted of kids from pretty well all nationalities, with their own churches too. (even a synagogue) We've had a large influx of East Indians lately, at about a million a year, but all the ones I've met and know are decent. The ladies are sweet, and when they talk in a group, it's like birds singing, a cacophony of pleasing and varied sounds. Anyway...
The Desi accent, when spoke by a woman, is enchanting.
A million East Indians a year are immigrating to Canada?? Uhhh, no there aren't - 2024 total immigrants was around 450k, all nationalities. (Still a lot, but nowhere near a million)
483,391 permanent immigrants to Canada in 2024 alone.
That figure excludes non-permanent immigration.
Important difference is that in 1945 we were providing refuge for their crimes against the Soviet Union.
In 2025 we are bastards who didn't give them enough to win, but wouldn't let them make peace. Classic Dolchstoss bollocks.
But I suspect they will attack, Roma, homosexuals and other minorities, because they are right wing front-bottoms so logic is a closed book to them.
A good point, but we also didn't see Polish terrorists after 1945, notwithstanding the West's refusal to fight the Soviet Union on their behalf.
I agree with you, Politugal. I have commented before how Europe will pay dearly for the support of the Banderites/ Nazi's, maybe the US to a lesser degree. I believe it is starting in Poland already, any Ukrainian that is not killed will escape to wherever and they will take their anger out on the civilians. It happens wherever the US interferes and supports the worst of a population with money, weapons, and a sense of entitlement. I am not sure what the Russian objective is in meeting with Trump but it most likely has to do with something other than Ukraine.
Russia is only doing its part for the theater. Remember how Putin and Lavrov constantly talk about that the war can only end when the root causes of it are solved ? The root cause is the USA. This is a clear message to USA, said indirectly. Obviously USA people don't care, because they are evil terrorists and don't accept blame for what they always do. But stating it clearly, is evidence enough that the talks are just "diplomatic speak", nothing more and nothing less. And don't forget the orange idiot wants the worthless nobel peace prize, because since the terrorist Obama got one, Trump wants it too, regardless if he actually does anything for peace, which in the need is what happened with Obama too. Did nothing for peace, in fact fueled many wars and created others, yet won the nobel peace prize. This is how vapid and without values and principles USA people and Trump in particular, are. So the talks are just the continuation of the theater for the orange idiot to claim he's a "peacemaker"
As for europeans, they will reap what they sow. Supporting nazis, siding with facism and nazism, never ends well. it won't end well this time either.
you mean the jew that controls the "west" and zion don? why don't you put your focus there?
The supreme irony is that Obama got the prize BEFORE he did anything! Simply a backhand attempt at political influence.
Yea and when he did something, it was more wars and more chaos all over the world. The nobel organization lost all credibility with that one. And if Trump is even nominated, we will reach absurd levels of "the russians destroyed their own pipelines, even though they could just turn off the tap"
Politugal. They had previously given the Peace Prize to Henry Kissinger, AFTER he bombed Laos and Cambodia.
That was the day satire died (Tom Lehrer).
Giving it to Obama for being likeable is nothing.
"And don't forget the orange idiot wants the worthless nobel peace prize, because since the terrorist Obama got one, Trump wants it too,"
The virtuous Swedes should acknowledge the fabulousness of Trump and his double-plus-good accomplishments and run a one time sale and give DJT a six-pack of Nobel "prizes". Yup...he's just that special.
If the nobel organization lost all credibility and are in the ground now, with the Obama prize, they will go below ground if Trump is even nominated for a peaca prize too.
What he did to Iran alone, is the perfect demonstration of the evil goblin Trump is. Absolute filth, piece of trash "person". If that warrants a "peace prize", the word peace lost all meaning.
why not focus on the jew that is currently genociding a civilian population as a strategy if you care about civilians?
Oh I focus on that too. I'm against absolutely EVERYTHING the "jew" (israelis) and its master USA, do and publicly state it. Israel and israelis overall are evil, just like the ukrainian nazis. However, this article is about the Ukraine war, so I stick to the topic at hand.
The Jew is the master and the USA is its servant. See Zion don.
I would say that Russia is genociding the Ukrainians. If they end up killing 10m before this is all done do we call it genocide or just firepower overmatch.
The humane thing to do was to nuke a million of them on day one to end the SMO, now the world gets to watch as several million die over the years. For those that say Russia is ready for the long war, are they ready to have the stain of 10+ million Ukrainians on their watch?
It has already been said, IF they keep forcing Ukrops into uniforms and march them to the front at the point of a gun, The Russians will keep killing them. IF the US stopped the money laundering and the profit from weaons sales the war would have ended over a year ago. The Russian conscious is clear
No. A genocide is what the Jew does. Russia is fighting an honorable war. The third reich also did.
So Ottoman Turks were Jews. British colonialists in Tasmania, also Kosher?
Tell the Russians, Serbs or Czechs what an honourable war the Turd Reich fought.
Ukraine isn't a Russian genocide, you fool - does Kiev look like Gaza? As for stains, it will be ultimately be NATO that wears this one.
John Thomas. Percentage of casualties in Ukraine who are children 0.3%. Percentage of casualties in Gaza who are kids 37.7%.
One is a war, one is a genocide.
Your hypothetical 10 million deaths is not really an argument, as there is little evidence off Russians purposefully attacking non-military targets. If hypothetically they suddenly start indiscriminately killing every Ukrainian they can, then yes hypothetically that would be a genocide. But there is no indication that they are doing that.
I think you don't understand what a genocide is.
Russia is not killing ukrainians, because it wants to. Russia is killing ukrainians, because ukrainians are the attack dogs of the west, that were genociding ethnic russians in eastern Ukraine for more than 8 years since 2014.
You are too brainwashed by western media that constantly uses the "unprovked attack by Russia" narrative, when there was nothing unprovoked about it. For more than 8 years, ukrainians bombed, tortured, raped, executed eastern ukrainians / ethnic russians, because they were ethnic russians or spoke russian or had any connection to Russia and did not accept the nazi government installed by USA in 2014, in Ukraine.
And right now, there's no better example of genocide than the genocide USA / Israel / European Union are doing in Gaza. The true axis of evil: USA / NATO / European Union / Israel and Ukraine
Spot on!
And i would like to add that this article indirectly highlights one of the most important contradictions of the "not-war":
On the one hand, we have the Putin fanboys & gals insisting that Russia must fight the not-war with a velvet glove, because "muh Slavic brothers", and not go hard after the dual use infrastructure like railways, bridges, electrical power grid, ports, and any such stuff.
On the other hand, we have already likely close to 1 million "brotherly Slavs" (mostly conscripted dudes and mostly from the Russian-speaking regions of UKR) already butchered in the battlefield. While Russia has refrained until recently to systematically hit purely military-industrial targets like that electronics plant.
To recap: Russia apparently does not want to take out the UKR power grid and send the warfighting capabilities of the UKR to the 19thC because then poor grandmas would have to fetch water from the river by hand and then climb 5 flights of stairs to reach her apartment and then cook using an LPG stove, but 1 FREAKING MILLION of dead and amputated folks are pretty much OK. Strange sense of ethics, i would say.
And of course Israel arming UKR with advanced arms while Putin having put always Israel first before Syria because of "my brotherly dual passport holders living in Tel Aviv" is also a bit contradictory... But, the current state of the world's affairs is much easier to make sense of when we understand that the Oligarchs of the World DO have a sense of class, while we peasants have been conditioned that such things are bad and and outdated.
IMO the SMO will continue only until Russian Oligarchs & political Elites feel safe that they will not be Gaddaffi'ed / Saddam Hussein'ed / military putsched in the future.
And speaking about ethics and shyte: why did the Russian missile forces spare the employees of that electronics plants? After all, those specialist workers are very difficult to replace and in the aggregate war effort are worth many times their numbers of front line infantry.
So, it is fine to kill construction workers and farmers conscripted into the army but to eliminate the workers that build the weapon systems that are most lethal to your own troops is somewhat regrettable?
Extremely well encapsulated!
The Western media (pro-Ukraine/pro-Israel) reports extensively on Palestinian deaths in Gaza, but barely reports on tens of thousands of Ukrainian deaths. How does this paradox make sense?
because the Jew is committing a genocide in Palestine and the jew controlled "western" media distracts from the genocide in Palestine to focus retard attention on Ukraine where civilian deaths are minimal (comparatively)
I agree. Hard to understand the Russian seeming lack of (apparent lack of) enthusiasm in degrading important infrastructure. I read that they are now targeting locomotives so rail cars that need Russian-width rail lines are immobilized. Now? Huh?
I think you'll find it's not the Russians conscripting Ukrainians into the army. But, on the other hand, it is the Russians targeting civilian (dual use?) infrastructure. Certainly some nuance in intent don't you agree?
"The biggest elephant in the room is still the SMO and its objectives."
The SMO from the Russian POV comes down to 2 things. Firstly, after the collapse of the USSR many ethnic Russians became citizens of the newly independent republics. Ukraine being a case in point. The east is full of ethnic Russians and after the 2014 coup they were targeted by the new government. The Russians were always going to protect their fellow Russians wherever they were. The SMO is a strong message to many other countries with similar minority Russian communities. Secondly the Russian need Ukraine as a defensive buffer. It is their soft underbelly. The US knows this and used these issue to launch a proxy war, hoping to weaken Europe and Russia. Unfortunately for them Russia prevailed and the balance of power has swung way out of balance. Dangerous times.
Totally out of context.
But more or less true what you write.
My problem is people answering question not asked or explain things I have already written numerous times about.
This one is extremely interesting because in the other comment you declared that it was US who planned the SMO.
I think Simpllicius need some cleansing in the field…
>The fact that the tweet came at the same time that Trump was giving his two-week ultimatum and hint of “changing direction” seems to imply that Trump could give Ukraine offensive weapons to “attack” Russia
And the Kremlin is going to do what in response? Keep praising Trump's effort at achieving lasting peace?
>The most interesting was a factory in Mukachevo, in the Zakarpattia region, reportedly belonging to the American Flextronics corporation.
The usual:
1) Why has this not been hit so far?
2) Does it really even matter given that the Polish border is wide open and weapons will be simply manufactured outside Ukraine and just launched from it
3) When are factories outside Ukraine going to be hit? Those in Russia are no longer off limits once whatever format of the war the Kremlin initially agreed on the West (who could have guessed it?) reneged on?
More of the usual here:
>If hostilities were to restart thereafter, Russia would have nothing but free countryside to pass through, provided that enough time had not elapsed allowing Ukraine to build new fortifications there.
Russia has had the free countryside to pass through all throughout. Chernigov, Sumy, Poltava, then you are at the Dnieper and have cut the Donbass off.
All the talk about how, you see, we will liberate the Donbass, and then it will be easy, is just absolute nonsense.
First, there was no need for that, given that there is all this non-fortified land to take, which is also logistically easier to maintain given that it is on the main highways and railways radiating from Moscow.
Second, when Russia did try to move in in its usual pathetic way involving zero isolation of the battlefield, it did not work very well (the Volchansk fiasco from last year, and the unfolding Sumy fiasco from this year).
So either:
1) Fortifications don't actually matter all that much in the age of drones, and any moderately built up area is sufficient for robust defense, while open terrain is death for the advancing side. And it is thus not going to get any easier in the future even past Kramatorsk
2) The Kremlin had a wide open path towards (half)winning the war east of the river, and has chosen not to pursue it for four years now.
Which is it?
No one dares to answer you.
It will destroy their comfortably numb opinions about the War.
Good to see you on edge GM!
Yes, we all fear to respond to his unquestionably accurate remarks. I gave up long ago.
I'm with you V ictor. I'm scared he might nuke me!
think of GM as a clone of Brian Berletic, straight to the FACTS, no BS, consistent, brutal honest.
Only the wise adhere to his words... but the foolish mock him.
Truth is hard to take. Putin will hang.
The "praise" for Trump is nothing but "diplomatic speak". The russians know very well that they cannot compromise on important things with USA, the provoker and creator of this war.
They are also playing their game. The game of playing with Trump's ego to their benefit. With sanctions and secondary sanctions threats, if applied, China already showed what they can do to the USA. USA's economy will crash much faster than it already is and Trump will have nothing to respond with, because USA depends much more on China, than China depends on USA.
What's been clear since the beginning is that Russia did not want any war and they are doing their best to prevent an even larger one. That is what happens when responsible leaders like the russian ones, the chinese ones, etc, make decisions, when compared to the psychopathic western "leaders", like Trump or any of the disgusting european "leaders". They don't go all out, after provocations.
I too am sometimes frustrated when the russians don't respond as I thought they should to some of these provocations, but thinking about it a bit more, makes me realize that these decisions are preventing a nuclear world war, which no one would win.
And for those that constantly claim that nuclear war will never happen, because of its deterrence factor, is forgetting again about the psychopaths in the west. USA is the only country hat used nuclear bombs against another country and is the likely starter of a nuclear war, something that cannot go without a response by Russia for example.
USA and its vassals want precisely that. That Russia responds in such a way, so that they can claim they didn't start it, but need to respond because again, USA and its vassals are all about illusion and optics. And with the western media propaganda on 24/7, the western idiots will continue to believe USA and Ukraine are the saints, and Russia is the evil one, just as they believe Ukraine is winning the war, or that USA "wants peace", thanks to such propaganda.
As for the hits on the USA owned factory in Ukraine, that's the typical argument I've seen before, probably by you. Why wasn't it hit so far ?
Obviously only russian military can answer this properly, but I think russians only strike what they know, by means of intelligence gathering, is being used for military purposes.
You may argue that russians should just strike whatever, even if they don't know if it's used for military purposes, but that's not how anything can be managed. Russia's industry is capable of a lot, but they don't have unlimited resources / weapons / money. So their targets need to be selected carefully.
This factory may have not been used for military purposes until recently, or russian intelligence was only able to verify that recently. Who knows ? Whatever the case may be, Russia can't just fire unlimited missiles to strike every building in Ukraine. That's simply not doable and I'm sure you know this.
I think you make a blatant error in your analysis, when you talk about why the russians didn't advance here or there, or didn't destroy this or that.
Russia clearly stated it's doing attrition on the ukrainian nazi regime / military. That means they want to destroy the ukrainian military, reduce it to near nothing or nothing at all. This takes time, especially against what was the largest army in Europe before the SMO.
Much of what the russian army does is destroy the ukrainian army in one area, then wait for more to come, destroy it also, take some ground in the process to get better positions, to better destroy the ukrainian army, when inevitably more is sent. And repeat the process!
Given this, what would the russians accomplish if they simply moved forward into the Dnper ? Everything behind the Dnper in western Ukraine, would no longer be fed into the grinder.
Your point seems to be that the russians don't do it, because they can't or don't want to. I don't see it that way. Their goal is to de-militarize and de-nazify. You can't do it as well, by means of long distance strikes. You do it better by closer combat.
We will see what happens next, but the attrition is clearly working and both Ukraine and its backers, are in desperation mode. If Trump is stupid enough to go further the sanctions / secondary sanctions route, USA will pay a much higher price than it did until now. One thing is for sure, Trump or whoever in USA won't let go the Ukraine project, because it's been too expensive and for sure the best proxy they ever had. You cannot find people as dumb as ukrainians, as easily, elsewhere. They want to preserve it as much as possible, which is why the russians must continue the attrition. They can't let the nazis re-group and re-arm again, like it happened with the Minsk accords.
Doing that a 3rd time would definitely be Russia's biggest blunder.
" USA and its vassals want precisely that. That Russia responds in such a way, so that they can claim they didn't start it, but need to respond because again, USA and its vassals are all about illusion and optics. "
This is a tired worn out argument. Do you think the people left after a nuclear war are going to care who started it ? The optics ?
Yes, it matters. Unless all north americans and europeans are wiped out, they will try to re-write history and claim it was Russia that started it, even though it's always, ALWAYS USA / NATO / European Union that are the aggressors.
You seem to not know about the supremacist / fascist / lying nature of the vast majority of people in USA / Europe, that is always trying to spread their fake narratives. They do it every single day of their lives, BEFORE the nuclear holocaust even happens and will do it AFTER as well.
Living in a lie or believing in fake narratives / not knowing history, is what guarantees it will happen again.
The survivors of a nuclear war wont care , the slightest bit, about the world that existed before. They wont have the time or the luxury to.
This is a valid response IMO……Russia has a dead hand option such that if it suffers a major attack it will loose its entire nuclear arsenal at once……regardless of who started what the initial survivors will be the unlucky ones…..worrying about optics at that point would have no relevance…..
You want to look at this situation from a more strategic PoV…..what I see here relates to a decline of a great power (the oligarchical powers in the U.S. and Europe) committing resources they don’t have to attempt to coerce from others resources they desire. As I argue with local folks, it makes no sense because war amounts to about the least efficient use of resources…..it’s much more efficient to simply freely trade.
The citizens of the U.S. and Europe are catching on too…..Trump has lost significant support for his actions even in the Republican Party. The rise of AfD in Germany and La Pen in France have been suppressed for now but as citizens in the US and Europe face prospects of terrorism, food shortages and economic collapse we may witness significant changes in the political landscape
Sorry to be long winded. Interesting times
I don’t have answers but I keep an open mind (cause I know next to nothing about these matters) and look forward to both Simplicius’s and GM’s takes. It’s been years since the start of this shitshow. I’m 60 now, please universe, don’t kill me before we at least get to the end of the first season!
For some resson this disinformer thinks that accumulation crap in long messages will make them less detectable. Reading him one would think the Ukranians are at the gate of Moscow. Beyond pathetic. A good laugh
>Reading him one would think the Ukranians are at the gate of Moscow
Not quite, but they are less than 400 km from it, which, in the age of hypersonic missiles, is way too short of a distance.
thats exactly why your hatred Russia launched the SMO.
Good points here. 👏
Russians destroyed a "factory in Mukachevo, in the Zakarpattia region, reportedly belonging to the American Flextronics corporation" - how convenient for Ukraine that right after a very successful for Russia the US/Russia summit, the Russians immediately destroyed an AMERICAN corporation in Ukraine:-)
They might have been avoiding hitting other countries' factories and plants to this point for the sake of foreign relations. But if these countries turn against or threaten Russia, then those plants are open to destruction as a message. Just a guess.
It could be just labeled by Ukraine as "reportedly belonging to the American" to make Trump see red.
yup, 'allegedly'
There was never a time in history when "allegedly" "likely" and "Ukraine said" were processed as facts:-)
LOL, thanks for the chuckle!
How long is Russia going to continue to play this game? That Trump post with the finger pointing images is humiliating.
Wars are not just won on the battlefield. WW2 was won on the backs of the Soviets, but who does most of the world think won the war? USA.
The Cuban missile crisis is another one where the story doesn’t match reality and majority of people don’t know.
Russia leaning people say Putin got something out of Anchorage and all the multipolar people are ecstatic. But it is not true.
At best it was neutral. But with images and threats like these I’m not so sure it was even that.
headspinning? without a doubt?
but what does all this 'talk' keep us from really talking about? why such a diversion?
I think in Alaska Trump and Putin divided the sphere of influence, Trump sheds Ukraine off and Putin in return will close the eyes on Venezuela and such.
I dont think so. Venezuela is in the target, for sure but I dont think the agreememt reached to such an extent.
Having Venezuela become a BRICS member would be a good move and one in the eye for the Vampires to the North. Btw: whatever happened to Juan Guaido ? hehe he.
I think Venezuela should join BRICS ASAP. In fact I am surprised she isn't already a member.
Did Brazil veto their membership, or did I dream that up?
Yes, they wanted to join but Lula vetoed it.
Brazil is blocking Venezuela from BRICS
He has a villa on the beach in Cancun.
Thank you VHMan. Maybe he's drafting his memoirs, detailing his generation's long, successful, nay, groundbreaking Political career.
I don't think such "agreements" are put on paper. I think it's just a "mutual understanding" class of agreements
The blood is pooling in Spraytan Man's fat ankles and rarely reaches his brain.
Haywood Jablome: Your comment is at the same time: Funny, sad, and perhaps has some truth to it also. A diet that consists of Big Mac's and fries, probably isn't going to help much either...
With Anchorage, Putin indirectly got Trump to delay secondary tarrifs. Dont forget that China and India are also pressuring Russia in their own ways, so Putin must appease them as well.
There is only one possible excuse for what the Kremlin is doing -- they need time to roll out the IRBMs and ABMs in the needed quantities in order to prepare for the inevitable direct war with NATO, so they are stalling for time by engaging in these theatrics (of course, then the question immediately arises regarding what they were doing before the war started and why they were not ready with those things. But let's ignore it for now).
Under any other scenario they are just making the situation worse.
I bet the Kremlin only excuse is to contredict enemy propaganda like yours.
I think in Alaska Putin cut through the fog/lies of Trump's circle and told him the facts
The 'finger pointing" photos, in addition to total lack of manners, is Trump's defense mechanism since I bet he's told by his Lindseys that Trump's images from Alaska look "weak," so he needed to prove that, he"showed them, the Ruskies"
Americans don't know much and lack natural curiosity of the outside world - most don't even have a passport, never been past Canada/Mexico, some never been anywhere.
The USSR graciously (peace was more important than image) gave JFK a chance to save his face by not telling Americans that the USSR forced the US to remove the nukes from Turkey. That the nukes in Cuba was the USSR mirror response to the US nukes in Turkey.
Ask Grok about the US spy plane shot over the USSR on 01May1960 - ask if the US government lied about this plane being a lost "weather plane," and Grok replies " yes, the US government lied but it was necessary." Really?
All the information is available in the US, just people are not willing to invest the time/effort to learn, hear different views, to just educate themselves.
interesting to see that Grok's main response ("yes") is followed by the conjunction "but", allegedly in an effort to modify or explain its own answer. however, the part after 'but' does not really explain anything (mentioning that lying was necessary is not the same as explaining it) and thus it tries to suffocate further thinking. misdirection? very bothersome.
Mary-lou, t'other week we took my 7 year old granddaughter to watch the animated film Bad Guys 2, as a holiday treat. One line stood out to me, spoken by Mr Wolf to his corrupt Governor girlfriend, that went something like: " at the end of the day, it's not the action that's most important, it's the distraction " I wish I'd come up with that line !
good one, thanks. in the meantime I'm extremely wary of all things Ai, whatever the name (brand) is, because it's becoming impossible to detect the difference between 'real' and deliberately fake information. point in case, the now infamous photograph "EU leaders waiting for their meeting w/Trump" a few days ago - https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/08/fact-check-european-leaders-macron-von-der-leyen-white-house-corridor.html
Such a shoddy job by AI - was too lazy to remove extra hooves?!
I never understood people's obsession with Alexa, Suri, what'snot...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGdtp-zn3qc
very true! the extra hooves and a solitary man's leg, plus that both 'women' wear identical shoes, neither even remotely looking like v/der Leyden. myopic computermodeling.
I had to ask a specific question, "did the US government lie" - originally, Grok said nothing about it in the general information about that.
I wish someone would just turn it off. for good. we're supposed to be smarter than synthetic computer models. oh well....
You’re missing the point. What matters is the cumulative effect of all this.
Americans are ignorant is not a reason to shield them from the truth. Trump having pressure on him is not a reason for Putin to keep giving him an off ramp while accepting belligerence.
Reality needs to be acknowledged and all this is making it harder for the world to know the truth.
The U.S. will always seek hegemony and conflict and accommodating it only encourages them.
If all the work and diplomacy with JFK ended no where with him shot by CiA and Mossad, why does anyone think with Trump(!) it will be any different.
It won’t and it’s time people acknowledge that.
My point was that being ignorant doesn't serve American interests.
This US government constantly cultivating and brewing hatred in Americans for any enemy du jour is only possible since Americans know very little about these people first hand and being fed constant lies.
I remember my shock when soon after I moved to the US, my new American friends were apologizing to me for 'hating the soviets so much." The soviets were never hated/were taught to hate Americans. The soviet's western "bourgeois" enemy was always an amorphous type of enemy, since the yesterday's enemy, can become today's buddy in the big chess of geopolitics.
Look at the hatred of the Chinese - even in the 1950s, "the yellow race" wasn't even granted the visas to the US, even the blue-blooded white kids of the Russian aristocrats born in Harbin after the Bolsheviks revolution, were classified as the "yellow race" just by the place of birth.
Nixon goes to China to separate it from the USSR, all industries are dumped to China, until China became too strong, "equal," so now the US government points the finger @ China and Americans are back to the hatred du jour. Some never had a Chinese friend, know much about Chinese, never been to China but are taught to hate China.
I well may be that the Trump pointing the finger at Putin gesture had been pre agreed with Trump’s press officers, precisely to mirror the earlier photo. Putin facilitating this kind of game doesn’t look all too good.
"That Trump post with the finger pointing images is humiliating." You're right, it was humiliating to Trump, for several reasons:
First, Trump is so totally ignorant he doesn't seem to understand that in his paired photo of Richard Nixon pointing a finger at Nikita Khrushchev it was *Vice President* Nixon who was pointing his finger. Ike Eisenhower was President at the time and Eisenhower was far too class an act to ever point his finger at a world leader like that. Ike did his best to toilet train Nixon, getting him ready in case he had to take over, but Nixon still had his rough spots.
Second, in that interaction, the 1959 "Kitchen Debate" that happened during an impromptu meeting at an exposition, the US came out the loser, not the USSR. Nixon succeeded in convincing Khrushchev that Americans were cretins and badly led. That played a key role in...
Third, the USSR's win over the US in the Cuban Missile Crisis. The *US* backed down in that crisis, not the USSR. The Soviet Union put nuclear missiles into Cuba as a response to the US putting nuclear missiles in Turkey right up against the USSR's border. The Cuban missile crisis ended when the US agreed to remove its missiles from Turkey, and in response the USSR removed its missiles from Cuba.
Khrushchev was replaced by Brezhnev not because his move in Cuba successfully pushed US nuclear missiles away from the USSR's borders but because of Brezhnev's ambition. Brezhnev also claimed Khrushchev mishandled the success in Cuba by allowing the US to keep secret the US capitulation in removing US nuclear missiles from near Russia's borders. Khrushchev didn't care about whether that was secret or not. He was an old school communist who didn't give a shit what the people thought so long as the balance of military power was where he wanted it to be. Brezhnev (correctly) criticized Khrushchev for having an out of date and out of touch approach to modern geopolitics.
Third, acting like a vulgar jerk only wins points with cretins and fools. That's not the way to win against Russia. It also has its limits even with cretins and fools. When Trump paired his photo with a photo of Richard Nixon, he should remember that Nixon lost the election to Kennedy, and one reason why was that Americans thought Kennedy was more a class act than a coarse Nixon. [OK, Kennedy actually stole the election from Nixon, who was the real winner, but still that the election was so close Kennedy's people could steal it was a result of too many Americans thinking Nixon had no class.]
Ah, and last, if you look at Putin's face in that photo you can see he's smiling with confidence. He's not the least bit intimidated. Anybody who understands what real power is about knows that it is highly counterproductive to screw around with guys like Putin by sophomoric picking of photographic moments out of hours of contact just to score points with domestic morons.
Trump will be gone in three and a half years but Putin and Russia will still be here. Anybody who is out to antagonize them instead of looking for points of common interest is doing the US a terrible disservice.
I just think a photo of DJT looking so out of control will play horribly in Asia, where good manners are revered.
my favorite is still when Putin waived off his security with a minor hand gesture when that gay Canadian pm was "lecturing" him.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/35Oz2tJobIA
But Pat wore a good cloth coat, a Republican coat.
You of all people should realize that Trump is aiming at cretins and fools. "Everything Trump does is ...domestic"
I was listening to one of my audiobooks in the car yesterday and this morning. The first volume of the Evans Third Reich trilogy, which is the best single source on the Nazis rise and fall available, still. He has this knack for pulling all the best Mein Kampf and diary quotes. Hitler on propaganda is super instructive. The dude knew what he was doing, and what he was doing was clearly aiming for the emotional animal that does not think - limited numbers of points, repeated constantly. The power of terror. Take a look at political messaging today and what do you see?
Thank you for this incredible expose. I learnt a lot.
It is not enough to win but for others to also know that you are winning. I am not saying actual real world facts matter less than perception and narrative. For a rational person with all the facts and knowledge of history… sure they’ll come to your conclusion.
But most people (even leaders) don’t - and people react and behave primarily based on perception and emotion not on logic and facts. That goes for finance as well as geopolitics.
Sooner or later the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, BRICS … the majority of the world and humanity needs to see that reality for the thinly constructed illusion it is in order for it to be broken.
Images like these don’t bring that day any closer.
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/create-a-cartoon-where-putin-h-REccSlX9TmO58p6h.UaaBQ
Sorry, but that's on westerners, not Russia, to fix. it's because westerners believe their own propaganda without fail, that things like you highlighted (second world war on the backs of the Soviets, cuban missile crisis, etc) happen.
Westerns need to grow a brain and leave their comfort zone. I did. Like most, I too thought USA was this beacon of democracy and peaceful "hegemon" that only reacts when it's attacked. I was so wrong, in every conceivable way and when things didn't quite add up, I did my homework. Most westerners should do it as well. The problem is most don't realy care. if they are not the ones being genocided, they will side with whatever the western media tells them to side. Westerners are today completely without principles or values and the Ukraine war is the best example thus far. Westerns as a whole literally support nazis, the worst, the most disgusting vile people on this planet. Just putting a foot outside the western bubble, would make them understand this, but they don't want to.
it is not "their own" propaganda but jew propaganda. name the jew or go away with you cold takes...
the most disgusting vile people on this planet. - do you know of the jew ? or are you one?
Why does it matter who most of the World thinks won WWII?
Please tell me that is a rhetorical question!
Let's pretend it's not.
Explain why who won WWII matters in 2025.
OY VEY !! Because we all must perpetually hate the losers.
But we are discussing the importance of correctly identifying who amongst the winners made the greatest contribution here.
Victory in the Great Patriotic War is a salve for the losses Russia (more properly the Soviet Union) suffered and rightly a matter of national pride. The things Russians believe about the war are accurate. Even without Western Allied help, the Russians and associated Union nationalities would have won the war by themselves.
As for why it matters, you have to think on the longstanding inferiority complex that Russians have vis a vis the West, and not for no reason. It's not like the West hasn't been looking on Russia with contempt for a long time.
Russia HAS to visibly remain open to compromise and diplomatic efforts. It's not for the US, it's for the ROW to see that Russia remains interested in peace. Russia is seen as the only adult at the table, and will maintain this position.
They DO NOT have to accept a deal that doesn't work for them, but they do have to be seen by allies and neutral parties as doing all they can to settle this peacefully.
And I like the dual strategy of doing this and stepping up damage to western interests in Ukraine. The west apparently won't stop on their own, so they should be made to feel the pain.
Russia should just post the picture of the burning US factory on the bottom as response
I don't see how Trump could hit Russia without starting WW3..... even small attacks on Russia would infuriate the MAGA base and, if they escalated, likely cause European assets to be taken out by Russian missiles...Putin and, more important, the Russian people are not in a peaceable mood and will want harsh retaliation, and they don't want to see any more bogus treaties either....
I am not so sure about the MAGA base anymore. As per usual the 'Merican populace are almost solely focused on domestic issues where Orangeman is actually following through on some of his campaign promises.
like what is zion don following though on ?
Rounding up criminal invaders and allowing RFK Jr. to bring some sense to HHS.
lol - that is hilarious ...
I hate it when I agree with the Nazi, but since he's taking the piss out of the stupider Nazi, I'm going to give you a like.
Bam lol
I have news for you -- the US has been attacking Russia directly non-stop since May 2022. Since December 2022, strategic targets on official Russian soil, attack of which triggers the nuclear doctrine (yes, even the one in place then), have been hit, attacks that were directly planned by and executed together with the US.
Just today a HIMARS struck the Druzhba pipeline in Bryansk.
That is not an isolated case -- HIMARS is flying into Kursk several times daily. You just never hear about it because the people reporting on the war on the supposedly pro-Russian side in the English-language internet space are doing such an abysmal job of telling the truth.
And we know that no HIMARS strike happens without direct US involvement.
Then there were strikes such as the Toropets one that you clearly know nothing about it. But let's not open that can of worms right now.
The important thing is that Russia has done absolutely nothing in response to any of that. So why would it do anything in reponse to more of it?
What's killed c.1.2-1.8 million Ukrainians then, the mumps?
1) How is that a win for Russia given that most of those people are ethnic Russians?
2) How does that hurt the US given that the US itself has not been touched?
1) If they're Ethnic Russians fighting for the enemy - think Vlasov's Army - then it's a win.
2). They have jizzed billions away.
Their NATO alliance looks worthless
Another "choppers on rooftops" moment looks likely
Their prestige and international reputation has taken a massive kicking
3)According to you they have nuked Russia 3 times - and the Russians haven't even noticed.
The wars are fought by political reasons not ethnic reasons. Americsn civil war, Russian civil war,.Chinese civil war... But Ukraine is not a civil war, its the end of the Ukranian mistake from centuries ago. The Russians have finally tackled it..Keep trying
How is the "the Ukranian mistake from centuries ago" going to end given the current Kremlin official posture, the lack of mobilization, and the fact that the Banderofasicsts have not been touched at all four years into this?
Lack of mobilisation? Banderofascists not touch? Wait, I get it, you live in a mental health institution.
How many Russians have died ?
Not the matter we are discussing.
Its directly proportional to the discussion.
No it isn't. I was disputing GM's claim that Russia hasn't retaliated to American aggression. That is what we're discussing.
The level of Ukrainian casualties is relevant to my argument that Russia IS fighting back because by killing so many of America's proxy, Russia is very effectively weakening her enemy. And therefore fighting back against American provocations.
The level of Russian casualties does not add to the argument either way - unless your argument is that Russian casualties are so light they aren't really trying? Was that your argument.
Russia has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? They paid clown occupying the comment section is back
How many strikes by Russia on NATO in Europe? Zero.
So yeah, absolutely nothing indeed
Meanwhile how many NATO strikes on Russia? Pre-war Russia, not even what is officially Ukraine. Dozens to hundreds every day.
you should be happy then, since you hate Russia.
MAGA base? Trump created MAGA and steers it at will
Not true. Trump tapped into the sentiment now called MAGA and rode it to the presidency, but he did not create it. He did give it focus, but I think it is far larger than Trump no matter what he thinks.
Trump was an Elite Democrat in his past & must have a deranged past. He can be replaced in MAGA & such expectations are anticipated. MAGA is a soft revolution against the WESTERN Empire.
What myopic cope! Clearly you are observing a different war than I am. In case you missed it, Russia is being attacked directly constantly, MAGA base means shit and Epstein proved it, Putin won't hit European assets, and the Russian people seem just fine with the slow boil sans mobilization.
Yours is the kind of vacuous fantasy analysis that has me agreeing with GM!
"Most will continue the cliche about 'Russia is advancing so it’s gathering more corpses', yet oddly enough, each time Ukraine massively advanced, like in the Kursk and Zaporozhye offensives, the body exchanges did not disproportionately favor Ukraine…why is that?" Why? Because the Russians retreated, and never fought on for every inch like the Ukrainians. No way those body exchange ratios represent casualty ratios, which are still a mystery. The only thing we know for sure about casualties is that all the data in the public domain on casualties on both sides is fictional.
I think in spite of accurate casualty analyses on both sides, the fact that Ukraine is losing fighters and its mobilisation efforts are failing whilst the Russians are gaining fighters and are running a highly successful recruitment campaign are pretty clear indicators of a lopsided casualty ratio.
Russia is 4x larger than Ukraine in population, if not more, and has vastly more resources for recruiting. Ukraine could have an advantage of even say 3:1 in casualties and still be losing the manpower contest with Russia. So, I don't agree. My guess -- a wild guess, because we have hardly any facts -- is that the Ukrainians do have some kind of advantage in the casualty ratio, just because they are defending, and because they have no choice -- there aren't people to feed into the meatgrinder. Just like tank losses drop off when one side has a deficit in tanks. This advantage -- if it exists at all -- is not as big as it could be because of the stupid Ukrainian practice of refusing to retreat in time.
But it doesn't matter -- Ukrainians would need a 4:1 or 5:1 advantage in casualties AND have the money to do proper recruiting, in order not to lose the manpower contest with Russia. The bottom line is they are LOSING the manpower contest. And that will eventually lead to military collapse. The manpower contest is a key dynamic in attritional warfare.
“von Manstein” the German general?
Exactly. Amateur historian of WWII. Therefore. You may have read something I wrote, if you follow that subject.
Not entirely. We can gauge casualties from several indicators, including the heavily skewed body exchange ratios; the Ukrainian strategy of holding territory regardless of losses; and Russian use of mobile, small teams only after Ukrainian strongholds are decimated by FABS, GRAD/TOS rocket systems, artillery, and drones.
That doesn't tell you anything about the numbers. Tactics matter too. There are only two things which I think I vaguely know from tons of reading: 1. MediaZone is probably not off by an order of magnitude on Russian combat deaths 2. The Russian Army grows in size while the UA Army shrinks (according to Zelensky, and Syrsky). That means to me that the casualty ratio could be anything from maybe 2:1 in Ukraine's favor to 2:1 in Russia's favor, or anything in between. We just don't know. But the ultimate question is what is the trajectory with manpower, and obviously this favors Russia. Not surprising considering the relative sizes of the countries. I can't believe how many people in the West continue even now to fantasize that Ukraine has a chance on the battlefield. This fantasy is fueled by propaganda intended to prolong the war and inhibit realistic peace talks. A tragedy for Ukraine.
Second most over-rated general in WW2, after Patton.
And don't say Montgomery, because he isn't particularly rated.
von Paulus waited in vain for him.
So you are saying that because the Russians retreated rather than fighting for every inch -- and therefore didn't die, while the Ukrainians did and died -- that means that the body count ratios don't mean anything? I would say they do mean something FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
I didn't say that.
I meant that this factor would reduce whatever casualty ratio advantage the Ukrainians would otherwise have from being the defenders for going on two years now. Whether that ELIMINATES this advantage or not, I have no idea.
Erich. It's correct that the attacker typically needs a manpower, or firepower, advantage to be successful.
But that doesn't mean the attacker will automatically incur more casualties than the defender.
If the attacker is successful the defender may rout and will then suffer disproportionate casualty levels. This appears to be happening with the UAF, since they are forbidden to retreat in an orderly fashion, so when they do retreat it's typically a Sauve qui peut.
Secondly remember the considerable Russian firepower advantage. Like the Western Allies the Russians are using stand off weapons to weaken their opponents to the point of collapse before sending in assault troops
I agree with all of that, but there are other factors we can't really evaluate. Like - how lavishly does any party use manpower in any given operation. Even HAVI G more manpower can mean more casualties. So we really don't know in this conflict.
Very interesting about the interceptor drones, drone warfare seems to be repeating the historical development of manned aerial warfare, in miniature.
Guess what... I predicted that those US-Russia negotiations were just kabuki theatre! Readers of my substack (https://geopolitiq.substack.com/) know it very well, as I said well before the talks in Alaska started on 15th August - see for instance these two articles I wrote on 9th and 12th August:
- https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/israel-to-occupy-gaza-city-germany
- https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/yemen-exposes-the-hypocrisy-of-turkey
And you predicted well. I've written about it as well in my own substack page. One does not need to be very insightful to know this, because when it comes to USA it's always: never trust USA, don't compromise with USA; USA lies, USA deceives, USA does not respect agreements, signatures or any words.
1.7M Nazi KIA seems rather low to me. Your 600K estimate is obviously out to lunch.
I see your Man from Uncle and raise you Moose and Squirrel
It's not 1.7 million KIA. It's 1.7 million KIA and missing. Definitely 1+ million KIA and at least 200-300 thousand MIA and since MIA is often also KIA, I definitely think 1.5 million dead for Ukraine, is not farfetched at all.
stop with your jew programmed "nazi" slur word.
Indications are that there was zero gain between Ukraine and Russia in Alaska. On the other hand Trump moved his position a lot closer to the stated Russian opinion. What is the guarantee that Trump’s position will remain stationery? Nothing.
Sentinel-1( satellite system, part of the European Union's Copernicus Programme) reported that 50 of the 150 Western European weapon and ammunition manufacturing plants are working on major enlargements, adding over 7 million square meters of space total. Hungary setting up a factory to deliver 1.1 million 155mm shells a year starting with 2026 (so they hope). Romania and Moldova are already enrolled as the new proxies. Serbia is on the edge of a EU infected colored revolution and Hungary also has the EU point man, a Mr. Peter Magyar who is working to undermine Orban. In Romania they are building the largest Airport for F-35 planes. (they might be operational by now.)
Hundreds of additional developments point in the direction that EU/NATO stepped on a road of major militarization and this is why Zelensky is encouraged to stick to his war. When we step back and look at the larger image we see the traditional Good Cop/Bad Cop game played by Trump and the EU. Trump wants to be friends with Russia (for now) but he still sends money and weapons toward Ukraine, paid by the EU/NATO Gang. At the same time The Gang (and supposed Populist Meloni is clearly joining now) gearing up for an everlasting conflict while babysitting The Comedian for future use.
The deluded NAZIs can build 1,000 weapons factories, and numerous airfields, but they will all end up in the same way the factory just did at the top of this latest article.
Why haven't they ended up that way already?
There hasn't been a single Russian strike on NATO soil.
Even though just one nuke at an arms factory in Europe would likely cause both the quick end of the war and the dissolution of NATO.
But Putin doesn't have it in him.
It's game theory. It's in NATO's interest for Russia to attack it first, while it's in Russia's interest for NATO to insert troops into Ukraine. The destination is the same, but it does matter very much the route to get there.
Pay attention troll; the factories in question aren't completed yet.
And 120,000 Russians were killed by weapons produced by what? The tooth fairy?
innevitable pain for a just cause. The pain inflicted to the existencial enemy is exponentially superior.
They were produced over many years prior to the conflict. They cannot replace them at near the pace they are being used up.
Putin is a responsible man, unlike you
From a military perspective, it doesn't make much sense for Europe to ramp up the production of conventional weapons and munitions. Any war between Russia and Europe and/or NATO as a whole will be nuclear. This is mostly just a disguised cash grab.
Or they are hoping to continue and win inside Ukraine following the present recipe. At least this is where the 1.1 million per year 155mm shells point toward that they are going to manufacture in Hungary.
Actually this whole idea of fighting a conventional war against a 21st century major nuclear power is delusional. I studied history for decades and had never seen a conflict where a nation declared itself a loser while holding in hand the weapons to win.
The USSR voluntarily dissolved itself, didn't it?
All because the goal of it continuing to exist clashed with the goals of personal enrichment of its own elites.
Which is a much more common theme in recent history than people realize -- the interests of the "state" are often misaligned with the interests of the elites of that state, and they will thus gladly betray it. That used to much rarer, because in the more distant past wealth was pretty much equal to control over land, and thus elite enrichment meant fighting for land with other countries, i.e. the interests largely aligned. But in the modern world the best way to get rich might be to actively work against the interests of your own state.
That is exactly what has been happening with Russia since 2022 -- the war could have been quickly ended with a total Russian victory at any point since then, but that goes against the interests of Russian elites.
"The USSR voluntarily dissolved itself, didn't it?"
And guess what, whales can hold their breath underwater. Neither that nor your comment above has anything to do with Kennewick Man's observation. Doh.
The USSR was *involuntarily* dissolved as a result of an attempted coup that swung the needle *within* the USSR against a structure that neither average people nor elites wanted any more. It had nothing to do with conflicts involving other nations, and it had nothing to do with elites, like the Europeans or the nazi elites in Ukraine, having different interests from either the state or the broad population of the state.
There is no incentive whatsoever - zero - for elites in Russai to work against the interests of their own state. On the contrary, Russians including both elites and average people are highly unified and are working together very successfully on their shared interest of continuing to develop Russia and growing Russia's economy, all while defeating the US in Ukraine.
That cretins on Internet don't understand any of that is simply a result of them being cretins. That trolls who grind their teeth at Russia's prosperity, unity, and success against the US keep spouting propaganda for morons is simply a result of them being trolls. It's hard to tell which one of those two camps you fall into.
>There is no incentive whatsoever - zero - for elites in Russai to work against the interests of their own state.
But they do that right as we speak...
>On the contrary, Russians including both elites and average people are highly unified and are working together very successfully on their shared interest of continuing to develop Russia and growing Russia's economy, all while defeating the US in Ukraine.
I don't see that.
The fact that you don't see that could simply be a matter of your perspective. I don't know enough so say it is true or not, only that because someone doesn't see something does not in and of itself mean that it isn't there.
GM, I suppose too that after the economy reached a certain point of globalisation sovereign states became obstacles. Capitalists form not just an international class but are a global state in itself.
Correct.
Which is why effective resistance can only be on an anti-capitalist basis. Because otherwise the capitalist elites inside each country will always have interests more aligned with each other than with the interests of their countries populations in general.
This is precisely what is happening in Russia right now, why the war is not fought seriously, and why it is such a catastrophic defeat for Russia so far.
You have an official Goldman Sachs agent in Russia's highest-level negotiating team (Kiril Dmitriev), FFS.
How can you be taken seriously given that rather uncomfortable for everyone actually paying attention fact?
This is also why North Korea is standing strong and nobody is touching it.
In Russia leadership rules with the interests of the big business elite being the top priority.
In North Korea there is no big business elite.
It is that simple.
I’m slowly coming round to your point of view. What’s doing it is witnessing this carrousel of “talks/pseudo negotiations” going beyond what I thought was a reasonable initial attempt at re-establishing some kind of dialogue with the US.
I do not understand what the point of Putin travelling to Trump was. How many times does the Russian position need to be stated? Why is the fact that the US are the main actor in the war publicly ignored by the Russian side?
The other thing is, if one of the aims of the SMO is “de-nazification” of Ukraine (taking into account the size of the country, its armed forces and the support it’s getting from the West), why is the only focus of the military effort the liberation of the Donbass? Reaching the administrative boundaries of Donetsk and Lugansk? Given the complexity and size of the intended result shouldn’t this be a total war, a war for the total destruction of the Ukrainian state?
I have to say that questions that were waiting for a certain time to pass in order to get sn answer remain enigmatic.
I know this wasn’t a war for a communist Russia and hence there’s always been the question of what was going to happen after the war, what’s in it for the regular Russian, how is the continuation of the global capitalist business a solution to anything in this day and age?
Russia is setting up North Korea for its eventual fall.
Now we are truly getting down to the 'root causes' of the whole fucking mess. Thanks for your efforts to argue your position GM.
It makes a lot of sense.
The West is applying the boiling the frog strategy.
The bet is that Putin doesn't have it in him to use strategic weaponry to decisively win, and that because he doesn't have it in him Russia can be bogged down in a never ending medium- to large-scale conventional war, draining it of human and economic resources, until it collapses, while it is also being defeated elsewhere on the chessboard because it is distracted.
So far that has been a very solid bet, delivering quite spectacular results -- Russia was totally defeated in Syria, is being kicked out of the South Caucasus region, the dismantlement of Iran (and thus the carving up of the Russian soft southern underbelly) started, which Russia did nothing to oppose, etc.
Sure, fresh meat might be running out in Ukraine, but there are 500M Europeans to resupply the front lines with. And thus it makes perfect sense to ramp up conventional munition production.
Another Russia is about to collapse prediction. If you're gonna be wrong, be wrong early, be wrong often.
GM is going to.be predicting Russia's collapse up until the day it decidedly prevails, then promptly disappear.
The European population has little interest in fighting EU/NATO proxy wars. The political elites in London, Paris, and Berlin are unpopular in the extreme, with Ms. Macron holding a dismal 17% approval rating. England is on the brink of civil unrest as rent-boy patron, Starmer, cosplays Disraeli, and Germany's AfD is now the dominant party for the first time.
How much interest did the Ukrainian population have in that?
They are kind of tending toward Populism slowly, they are just afraid to admit it now.
French are lost cause. What is called left is extremely fragmented and then, at elast in the lastd ecade, Macron scares people into voting against somethingn as opposed in favour of sth. So they are all scared of voting for Le Pen and they grudgingly vote for Macron. Does not matter.
500M Europeans? Do you have a clue about how Europeans think today?
What they are?
To make them accept mass inmigration the national coherence had to be destroyed over several decades. The scheme has been successful.
If ever the Europeans rally again to the idea of nationhood, which is theoretically possible, but in any case not imminent, their wrath would be directed against the aliens in their cities, not against Russia.
I am not sure if the Poles could be conscripted now for war with Russia. Forget about the French, Italians, Germans (are there many left?) Spaniards.
Have a walk thorough any big European city today and you would understand that no one is going to conscript this mixed populations and form coherent armies.
Times have changed. There will be no more "German" Askaris from Tanganika fighting "British" Indians for the glory of their masters.
A limited number of mercenaries may be, but never significant numbers.
In some places, about 20% might be ready to fight the Israelis in Gaza.
Ukraine is 80% ethnic Russian and was <5% Banderite in the early 00s.
And yet what happened?
In places like Germany they harbor ancestral hatred towards Russia, plus they actually need the Lebensraum, literally -- taking over Russian resources is the only way they will survive into the futrue -- plus the same economic depression that made WWII possible (fascism came to power because there were these huge masses of people that had fallen on hard times to radicalize) is unfolding there now.
They are in fact in a much better starting position to get whipped into a war-against-Russia frenzy than Ukraine was.
Last census from 2001 shows cca 17-18% ethnic Rus. Where are you pulling these numbers from?
How naive do you have to be to take that census at face value?
Nobody was actually asked that question, they wrote down whatever they wanted.
There is no difference between the two populations, they are fully mixed, continuous and intermarried. Thus a "Russian speaking Ukrainian" is just the politically correct (from the perspective of having to maintain the illusion of a separate Ukrainian identity) label for ethnic Russia. Only in Galicia do they speak Ukrainian, and originally (circa 1991) not even in the major cities.
But otherwise you have the following examples:
-- Valentina Matviyenko, third person in the power succession in Russia. Born in Western Ukraine (Shepetovoka).
-- Medinsky, chief negotiator. Born in Smila in Cherkasy region
-- Kiril Dmitriev. Born in Kiev.
-- Alexey Overchuk. Deputy Prime Minister. Born in Korostyshev, Zhytomyr region
-- Alexander Novak. Deputy Prime Minister. Born in Avdeevka
-- Dmitry Medvedev's maternal grandparents were Ukrainian, and if you start digging in people's backgrounds at that level of distance, it is a really, really long list of people.
You also have several people in the current Russian government born in Belarus, which we are not discussing here, but it's the same situation there.
On the Ukrainian side, it is full of ethnic Russians too, in fact much of the government consists of them.
-- Zelensky is a Russian Jew from Krivoy Rog
-- Yermak is a Russian Jew whose parents came from Leningrad, and I think are in Russia now
-- Syrsky is an outright ethnic Russia, born in Vladimir. His father is definitely there now, as the news came just this week that he underwent surgery, which Syrsky paid for. And his father is a Russian nationalist and a former Red Army officer
-- At one point Danilov was National Security Council secretary, and it turned out his brother was in Russia and worked for the FSB.
-- Arestovych used to be Zelensky's advisor, and he is half Belarusian and half Russian
Again, it is a single continuous population, and as such language is the main dividing line. And most of them speak Russian. Internally Zelensky and his government and military speak Russian.
This is precisely why they went after the language first, already back in 2014, and why Zelensky categorically refused to reinstate Russian as official language yesterday.
from his ass, of course.
This is wrong on so many levels that the head spins.
"Ancestral hatred"? Not at all. I lived in Germany for years; on the contrary there is a widespread desire to never have conflict with Russia again, including a great love of Russian culture. And in the East of Germany, a feeling that Russia is a much more brotherly nation than the West.
In Germany there is still the trauma of the defeat of WWII, widespread pacifism, so totally different from Poland, Baltic States, even places like Denmark. You are NOT going to get Germany into a war with Russia.
And Ukraine "80% ethnic Russian"? Are you crazy? Have you even been there?
You're right in your other comments but wrong about this: "And Ukraine "80% ethnic Russian"? Are you crazy? Have you even been there?"
Give GM his due, just like a broken clock is right twice a day sometimes he does indeed tell the truth and he's right about that.
The vast majority of people living in what since 1991 has been called "Ukraine" are, indeed, ethnic Russians. And yes, I've been there, many times. Virtually nobody spoke "Ukrainian" in 1991 (it's more accurately referred to as "Ruthenian"), but in 1991 the very small core of Ukrainian nazis and fellow-traveler nationalists saw a political opportunity to expand.
Like small, but fanatically determined, parties elsewhere, they achieved political traction despite being a tiny minority, and the billions of dollars the US flooded into Ukraine in support of the nazis helped them advance both their poisonous narrative and to recruit new members. Since the US destroyed Ukraine's democratically elected government in 2014 and put a nazi junta in charge, they've systematically used the US's billions plus mountains of weapons to kill anybody who resists their campaign to pretend there are no native Russian speakers in Ukraine.
That campaign has had its surrealistic moments given that every one of the nazi elite is a native Russian speaker, including Zelensky, Yermak, Budanov and all the others. Every past president of Ukraine, including Yulia Timoshenko, who famously said she'd personally machine-gun anybody who wanted to get closer to Russia is a native Russian speaker. Timoshenko, like the rest of the elite speak Russian when they are out of earshot of credulous fool Westerners. Zelensky had to learn Ukrainian as an adult and he speaks it very poorly, with a Russian accent. Others can't even speak Ukrainian.
It's certainly true that eleven years of killing anybody who opposes the narrative plus billions of dollars, complete rewriting of all school texts and history books, and raising a Hitler Youth in eleven years from age eight to nineteen has stamped a generation of kids with the idea they're not Russian and that they should rat out their parents and other relatives when they say they're Russian. That's what happens when a nazi cancer is allowed to metastasize while being fed with billions of US dollars.
It's also a reason why simply taking over all of Ukraine except a tiny rump state of a few Nazi strongholds in the far West is a tough job. It's not just territory now, you really have to push a lot of the nazi-indoctrinated population out of there, either into Europe or into hard labor camps in Russia's Far East. Otherwise you're not going to root out the Nazi cancer.
You are one hundred per cent right about Germany. My impression coincides with yours and I must say that I have attended scores of political or cultural events in my 14 years in that country.
no - it is the JEW that harbors ancestral hatred towards Russia
fascism came to power as an antidote to the jew disease
How will those nations conscript the Africans and Muslims ? Or will only the White natives be sent to die ?
It is becoming a bad habit by some in this forum to advance some extraordinary opinions about Germany without, as it seems, having much experience or knowledge about that country.
I have worked 14 years in Germany, in the public sphere, and I haven't seen any interest in the German public for a military conquest of Russian resources.
And would there be the intention to do something crazy, Germany would lack all the necessary elements for it. It now has a relatively old population, huge non integrated minorities, lowest birth rate.
The present anti-Russian course can be explained by the cultural trait that makes Germans enthusiastic servants of the powerful.
The US boss defines Russia as an enemy and subsequently the Germans feel deep sentiments of hostility towards Russia.
A curious, typically German psychological mechanism, makes then really feel what they are ordered to feel, even if recently they harboured completely opposite sentiments.
>I have worked 14 years in Germany, in the public sphere, and I haven't seen any interest in the German public for a military conquest of Russian resources.
1) When did the public decide anything?
2) Does Germany objectively need those resources? Yes, it does
3) Did German elites already tried to genocide all Russians in order to get their hands on them? Yes.
4) Has the resentment over that plan failing disappeared completely? Well, you look at who's in power there now...
I can only speak for the UK. However, here Armed Forces recruitment is at abysmal levels, with those joining recruits being barely educated with the average reading age of an 11 year old. Other males of fighting age are in the main spoilt, overindulged and uniformly addicted to their tech gadgets. They fight plenty of battles though using a mouse and press reset when they die. The very idea that they will be successfully deployed to a cold, wet and muddy battlefield carrying 50 kg on their backs is laughable.
why should a white british man fight for the jew that jails them for protesting the jew genocide in palestine yet lets pajeet rape gangs run wild?
The " Rape gangs" are popularly considered to be Muslims of Pakistani origin. And it's true that Pakistani origin people are over represented in the stats, but even so most rape gangs are white British.
Pajeet is an insulting term for Hindus. No one believes there is a multitude of Hindu rape gangs.
It's sad that you don't know what you're talking about!
By the by, the Right Wing Zionist population in the UK, some Jewish, many not, is virulently anti-Muslim and plays a large part in spreading anti-Muslim propaganda. Where do you stand on that one Adolf?
very excellent point. - "If ever the Europeans rally again to the idea of nationhood, which is theoretically possible, but in any case not imminent, their wrath would be directed against the aliens in their cities, not against Russia."
lets hope the complete subservience to the jew that that zion don has exposed is a spark...
So Russia is losing although every analyst, even Russian enemies, state the contrary. What kind of lunatic bastard are you?
1) The analysts that you read state that. But there are others
2) Has it ever occurred to you that it might be that what the analysts you read claim says more about the analysts themselves than what they say reflects actual reality?
The objective facts are that:
1) Russia has been reduced to a giant Syria that is bombed daily by whoever feels like it and the Kremlin does not dare fire a single shot back
2) Russia was totally defeated in the actual Syria
3) Russia has been kicked out of several other of its former spheres of influence (Armenia, Moldova)
4) Multiple other neighboring countries have turned openly hostile and NATO has moved in right to Russia's borders.
5) Russia is bogged down in an endless drone stalemate fighting for weeks over individual buildings, with no end in sight.
6) This even though Russia has the power to cut off Ukraine entirely from all weapon supplies literally within half an hour of deciding so, and then win a total victory, but leadership refuses to do it. Which means that either leadership consists of traitors, or the West actually has the upper hand in military-technical terms and all that is left here to play out is Russia's collapse. There is no other option.
Those are the objective, incontrovertible facts.
What you claim meanwhile as "winning" is mostly hopium and vapoware.
would you say something positive about Russia?
Are you really that dense to not understand that I am not criticizing Russia the country and its people, but the leadership that has captured it?
Or you could look at it another way, Russia is convincing Ukrainians and the world its bad to be an American proxy through the battlefield. Since Western propaganda overwhelms Russian ones in breadth and saturation, using reality to show the world is the best way they know how.
The low intensity Ukrainian war is used to train up the Russian military to modern standards for a real war against NATO. In the background they're silently ramping up production of game changer weapons like Oreshniks and modernising the Soviet nuclear arsenal after years of neglect. They've been shying away from escalation with NATO despite taking hits because their internal calculations shows they're not ready. The strikes on the American factory are signs the calculus is changing, they're now more confident in their build up and are prepared to move onto the next phase in the conflict.
As for Syria and flipping of the former Soviet states, the west always had the edge in propaganda for a long time and the world is filled with lackluster countries who can't get their act together. At some point its just the survival of the fittest - countries with bad internal security will get couped. There's little Russia can realistically do unless these countries allow FSB agents to run wild inside their borders.
>Or you could look at it another way, Russia is convincing Ukrainians and the world its bad to be an American proxy through the battlefield.
And that worked so well that Sweden, Finland, Moldova, Armenia and Azerbaijan all lined up to be American proxies since the SMO started.
Because guess what? In the real world strength is respected and weakness is not. It's as simple as that. And Russia's behavior has been an endless parade of pathetic weakness.
When you cannot protect your own population from non-stop bombing even though you have the most powerful arsenal in the world, well...
GM always give us facts after his LSD sessions somewhere near London
So OTAN is gearing up to fight the war they have already lost by building more of the equipment that has proven to be less than effective, and not having the troops to man them either.
Meanwhile Russia is building production lines for effective tools and China is showing off gen 6 stealth fighters and UAV.
How does NATO think this is going to pan out for them?
I really think the whole of the present Western leadership is basically a rotten Rent-a-Gang and rational geopolitics is something that they have zero use for. When I look back to 1914, over a century ago, from that point on a systematic self-destruction of the West started by you know (((who))).
it is Empire using the you know (((who))), engaged as a proxy and foothold for executing Empire's geopolitical efforts at carving up the Middle East.
another silly Chomsky the jew as victim excuse rather than reality of the evil jew is the problem (and always has been).
Given that not a single of the Russian wunderwaffes with no analogs in the world, or even the regular lower-tech drones and missiles, has hit anything in Europe or the US, NATO is likely thinking that everything is going and will go quite well for them, because Russia will continue to retreat instead of fighting, and the Chinese will turn out to be the same cowards.
It is hard to blame them for thinking that given the recent history.
GM: I agree. The EU lives in a comfortable dream world, far removed from reality. Just one Russian missile attack on a fat juicy military target somewhere in Europe, would shatter the EU dream, and send the Eurocrats running for a change of underwear.
"Article 5" is another Euro fantasy. An attack on one, will be met with much indignation and sabre-rattling by others, but other than that... no military response. It won't happen and it can't happen.
First off, there is no longer any European military might to speak of. Second, there is no real political conviction (translation: spineless politicians), and thirdly, there is almost zero public motivation for military action of any kind which would involve Europe directly.
I'm pretty sure that the Kremlin knows all of this, that's why the Russians can humour the West by pretending to go along with the games the West likes to play. The West has dug itself into a big hole, and insists on digging further. Meanwhile, Russia continues according to it's own plans.
Europeans, of course are congenital wimps, geriatric metrosexual nonces and ponces so effeminate that they make Liberace look like Mike Tyson by comparison.
Europeans, of course, would immediately run screaming to the United States.
Amazing that we've been beating the shit out of everyone for centuries then isn't it?
The cheese eating surrender monkeys conquered Vietnam, the last people to conquer Afghanistan, the homosexual Greeks and we've beaten up practically everyone at some point
The Americans certainly could have continued to fight in Afghanistan or Vietnam, had they wished to do so.
Russia is demilitarising NATO. Andrei Maryanov..Somebody you should respect if you were not a 6th columnist, fulfilling the British provocation of an all.out nuclear war which will erase their whooping debt and destroy Europe and the US, not the British empire in Canada and Australia. Fortunately 6th columnists like you are irrelevant in Russia.
How many F-22s, F-35s, B-2s, B-52s, B-1s and AWACS planes and drones has Russia shot down?
How many satellites has it destroyed?
How many aircraft carriers, Aegis destroyers, Ohio-class SSBNs, and Los Angeles-class SSNs has it sunk?
Zero, zero, and zero.
So everything relevant to a direct NATO-Russia war has been completely untouched on the NATO side. Meanwhile Russia has lost plenty of planes, ships, air defense systems, a six-digit number of soldiers, etc.
Where is the demilitarization then?
Zero zero zero 😅. Yes my Fuhrer. F-16s, Bradleys, Abrams, Himars, 777s, Leopards, ATTACMS, that of course means nothing for you, you are more hardcore. Havent you finnished your 9-5 daily disinfo yet?
Yes, Bradleys absolutely matter in a missile exchange war
How many tanks and IFVs did Israel and Iran use in the 12-day war?
It is obvious that neither the US, nor Europe is thinking that the war is going so well. You say whatever suits you without trying to be minimally objective. Losing quickly the entertainment value.
You are right. No soldiers. To mobilise a population a kind of politics is necessary that contradicts everything the globalist oligarchy has been doing for decades. If would need a Western Perestroika, and as in the Soviet case that would bring a change of so-called elites.
@niggles - oxymoron: NATO and 'to think' are not compatible. wishful thinking at the most.
On Vampire drones, I listened to this podcast the other day:
WTF Conspiracy ? Operation Disclosure Podcast
July 25,2025 “Exposed:33rd Degree Mason Reveals Freemasonry’s Darkest Secrets
The secret and mentally retarded belief is immortality is granted by raping children ie sexual vampirism……Horror of Horrors…Epstein etc , they are all compromised and so eager to follow their masters…..what was that story where the mental patients take over the asylum fooling the newly arrived Intern….that explains the eu uk usa to a T.
the system of dr tarr and professor fether, Edgar Allen Poe
About the alleged database of Ukrainian dead and wounded, there may be a purely technical answer for what appears to be an unrealistically high number.
A raw data dump is easy to misinterpret without an entity relationship diagram (ERD) and a data dictionary (a description of the purpose and limitations of each table and field). These are typically saved on a different server from the actual database for security reasons.
So a database row query like "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM TBL_Soldier WHERE STATUS IN ('Deceased', 'Wounded');
might return an inaccurate number if:
1. The database contains duplicates, i.e. separate records/rows for the same person
2. The database also contains soldiers who died before the conflict started
3. The hackers misinterpreted the data and were querying the wrong fields.
Despite our gracious host's downplaying of the numbers, that 1.7 million is *not* unrealistic.
The Ukrainian people counting graves in those cemeteries visible from space had that number at 640k in *April* (I'll note their telegram channel has gone silent about then). Add to that the UAF penchant for throwing bodies in holes at the trench line, then a million dead is reasonable, and another 700k combat incapable is on the low side, as these things go.
Then there's the 300k with missing limbs that Ukraine added to their disabled roster over the last year ( who knew office work could be so dangerous?)
I've long held that Ukraines claims of Russians killed is simply their own losses with a factor applied and their current guess is to have killed 1.07 million Russians so far.
Honestly, that 1.7 million is missing a few hundred thousands.
I don't have a problem with the numbers as it includes missing soldiers. However I still think its fake because if it is was real, it'd be a real slap in the face of the Kiev regime that the Russians would want everybody to know asap. The proof would be easy - simply upload the torrent of the raw files for everyone to see and publishing the database online like wikileaks. Undeniable and easily searchable for everyone in the world.... but they haven't done that.
As it stands this is looks to be a fake leak like the Panama Papers.
If the 1.7 million figure it’s true than it’s more than double than most pro Russian estimates guessed. It’s truly at that point unconscionable for the war to continue. It shows that Ukrainian leaders are foreigners and foreign led. What patriot can want the war to continue. Only the truly insane death cult Nazis could want to throw so much of their people away for nothing. Russia isn’t going WW2 angry on them. I think at this point EU leaders are kicking the can down the road to avoid a massive refugee crisis as it’s possible 10+ million refugees flee Ukraine for the wealthy EU states and Britain. Also the vile NATO generals figure better to have the Ukrainian men die than being incorporated into the Russian army and state.