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grr's avatar

Mmmm tastes nice.

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René Volpi's avatar

Explain the photograph, pls. Are you implying the whole thing didn't cause the damage told?

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youlian troyanov's avatar

Welcome to the world of post-truth, enjoy your stay. Nothing really is the way western propaganda wants to mold your mind into believing. The best newsppaper around here published today an "opinion" by a Ukrainian propagandist, full to the brim with false statements and childish logical fallacies making the whole piece profoundly stupid for any reader with a brains. That's the world we live in today...

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dornoch altbinhax's avatar

Yes, and then there's the AI brain rot. Dead internet theory advances every day.

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mary-lou's avatar

especially slightly older editions (1980s, 1990s)

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Dhdh's avatar

before 1940....

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mary-lou's avatar

tru dat

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Chevrus's avatar

Like an ecosystem stripped of all its species but for 2 or 3 genetically engineered monstrosities

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Dhdh's avatar

welcome to jew media control...

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

It was damage but not any significant to the structure. It was certainly no 1000kg explosion.

More important is how SBU and the Ukis can film those events from the bridge. Are they hacking the Russian cameras or do they have small drones?

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sandor's avatar

No! They have fifth columnists backstabbers assisting them. The Russians seem to have a hard time identifying the treacherous bums.

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

If true - even more troubling.

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To be fair, Russians MAY be able to put back together even "destroyed" planes if they intend to make a point. Consider for example the US EP-3 plane involved in the Hainan incident. I thought it'd be a total loss given that it was returned in many pieces, iirc. But, somehow, the pieces were "reassembled" and it was put back into service. While the Bears might be out of production, there are doubtlessly enough spare hulks to get the replacement parts from and the Russians are unparalleled masters at this sort of salvage operations.

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Gilgamech's avatar

I would want to hear a Russian native speaker explain the nuance of the word translated as “restore”.

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John Galtsky's avatar

It's a generic word that a good translator might translate, depending on the context, as "repair," "fix," "renovate," and so on.

For example, where I live in Russia the city is "restoring" facades of historic buildings on many of the main streets. In that use of the word there's no sense of a building having been rendered unusable or anything like that, it's just a cosmetic "restoration" so it looks new.

To take a different example, the same verb could be used to "restore" a tank that was knocked out of commission by having a tread blown off by a mine. That's not just a cosmetic restoration but a repair.

In the case of the Tu-95s I wouldn't overthink it. The USSR built well over 500 of them and air bases and boneyards have lines of parked Tu-95s. It makes complete sense that if by US estimates (almost certainly overestimates) Kiev hit 20 of them that over half of them were not flying status aircraft, and likely even more than half were not flyers. If by US estimates (again, almost certainly overestimates) half could not be "repaired," of the 10 the US (if you believe Reuters... again, a stretch) the US cites as irreparable that would mean fewer than 5 flyers were destroyed.

I researched Tu-95s a few years ago to help a friend write a series of articles and they're very remarkable aircraft. One of the things that makes them remarkable and so incredibly durable and long-lived is the modularization of their construction. To damage a Tu-95 so badly it cannot be repaired you basically have to destroy all of it.

Suppose, for example, you hit the tail end of it and the entire fuselage aft of the wings goes up in flame. Looks pretty bad, right? Well, not if you have over 400 Tu-95s sitting around as parts aircraft. You just unbolt the destroyed part and bolt on a rear half from a donor aircraft. They don't actually use "bolts" but you get the idea.

It's the same with everything else, like wings, engine modules and so on. Very modular and easy to mix and match and you can do it all in the field under primitive conditions without any need of fancy factory tooling or exotic equipment.

So sure, the comments from Russia that "none were damaged to the point of being irreparable" are likely right, so long as you take it with a grain of salt that sure, if only one wing is left, that's for sure also repairable. You just take a lot more of the donor, parts aircraft.

I think that what they'll do for the few flyers that were damaged badly is just pull any valuable bits left, like upgraded avionics, and install them in planes pulled from the ready reserve in the boneyard. That's something you can do in a week.

In the meantime, none of the aircraft that might be involved in Ukraine were at all damaged. Russia made a point of using way more Tu-95s than usual in yesterday's strikes just to show there's been no degradation whatsoever in their capacity. It's a shame they didn't use Tu-95s to wipe out the UK embassy in Kiev as part of a "war on terror," US-style, against "state sponsors of terrorism."

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Gilgamech's avatar

Extremely helpful, thank you.

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Squeeth's avatar

They could mock up lots of them and say that setting them on fire turns them into salamanders.

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Yoni Reinón's avatar

Russian strategic fleet before the attack.

Tu-95.- 55

Tu-22.- 55

Tu-160. -20

Say there are 90 still on stock in a worst case scenario. The Russian fighters can also launch nuclear capable 5.000.km range Kalibrs and hypersonic. The attack political implications is what matter. Trump showed like a liar, a fool, or both, if there was any doubt in Moscow about his real intentions or ability to deliver anything. From the 3 fighting superpowers, the US looks, by far, the weaker. Their grifting strategy, mind control apparatus, police state, market manipulation, and political theatrics are playing against them now and there is nothing they can do to clean house. Trump is failing big, if he was ever true. The USA has gone to end of what capitalism could achieve, and face disintegration among partisan wars for short term profit, whereas both Russia and China were precapitalist societies just discovering capitalism. But contrary to China, whose overproduction recurrent crises will produce increasing social unrest in the coming years, Russia has everything for a booming capitalist development for the next couple of decades. What its enemies try to prevent... Putin thinks he can take terrorist provocations for the next decade without major social meddling or insurrections. Thats his bet even if he could decapitate NATO without substantial retaliation. He doesnt want that risk, afraid to make a mistake to the British provocations.

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David Lentz's avatar

1950s planes on display due to a treaty with USA that they must be visible to USA satellites

If Russians have any deviousness then would have the real stuff safely out of sight

Nuclear deterrent is their only Trump card

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

Consider that the US ARMY "repaired" hundreds or thousands of "destroyed" UH-1's during the Vietnam conflict. The term "destroyed" is overrated. The Russians are the undisputed masters of restoration, repair and even reverse engineering. One needs to recall that Stalin made three requests to the United States under the Lend-Lease Act during World War II to obtain B-29 Super Fortresses, but these requests were denied.

So what did the Russians do? They reverse engineered the aircraft from 4 examples of the B29 which were interned after being damaged or running low of fuel and landed in Russia after raids on Japan. This "new" Aircraft was the TU-4, a literal carbon copy of the B29.

The loss of these RAF (Russian Air Forces) aircraft are mere pinpricks, only 5% or so of the Russian Strategic Air resources. Little know fact: according to the USAAF, a total of 12,700 B-17 Flying Fortresses were built during World War II. Of these, 8,111 were lost in combat, due to various causes such as enemy action, mechanical failure, and accidents. This means that 64.4% of all B-17s built during the war were either destroyed or written off.

5% losses are of no consequence.

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Soujourner's avatar

The cartoon with gnawing man? Hilarious! 🤣

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CHUCKY's avatar

WTF is a gnawing cartoon? I love non-native English speakers writing in English...

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Velociraver's avatar

Do you love that? That's adorable.

How many languages do you speak? Just one, you say..?

Cute. Do you even have a passport?

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CHUCKY's avatar

Stick to Arabic, Mohammed Halal.

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Soujourner's avatar

WTF?

Wow

That's

Funny.😉

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Steel's avatar

WTF is a gnawing cartoon? It's a cartoon about gnawing, just as a horror film is a film about horrors.

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Hans Kloss's avatar

That is actually an interesting subject.

If you look around, you realize that quite some folks speak English as their mother tongue although they are of very different culture as you are. For a white old person from rural Texas people from India, some odd villages in Scotland or Ireland, "well educated" liberals from gated communities in California or from the native gangs in big cities of California are foreigners using a derivative of the language this person considers English. Then come people like me who learned English on Beavis and Butthead as well as on Playboy and Trainspotting (a book). Then there are others who use English only at work or even then sporadically. It is really a wonder that we more or less understand each other.

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Xcalibur's avatar

Z for victory!

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The Spamdalorian's avatar

Im always excited for a huge retaliation. I would have nuked ukraine about 20 time by now, But fortunately the Russian leadership doesn't get distracted like i do.

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John Galtsky's avatar

"The Day After" is pretty good, too. What the world needs right now is a tightly researched and technically accurate film about how what's going on now escalates into a massive nuclear conflict. Alas, to do that right by the time you research it and write it, the danged thing might well have already happened in real life. We're that close.

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Dhdh's avatar

stop.... no one is going to use nukes....

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John Galtsky's avatar

Wishing doesn't make it so. Reality happens whether you like it or not.

The tragic reality is that the number of nuclear powers is steadily increasing, not decreasing, while at the same time the numbers also are increasing of people in decision making positions in the West who are delusional, unintelligent, badly educated and are deeply corrupt, along with having extremely dangerous psychological failings such as extreme narcissism.

Those people believe in an alternate, virtual universe of propaganda and they've lost contact with the reality of what nuclear weapons actually do. They're not afraid of them anymore, while at the same time they have a psychotic complete faith in their ability to control events to their liking just by pushing the right narrative.

Whether it is Biden saying earnestly "Russia must be destroyed" or Kallas barking nonsense about the EU must take measures to tear Russia apart or Starnberg in the UK insisting the UK must take measures for active war against Russia, what they all have in common is that the measures they are already taking will lead to the use of nuclear weapons, if not by Russia then by a weakened and irrational US or the US's stooges.

What's different and extraordinarily dangerous about the current risks of nuclear war is that it's not based primarily on accidental risks of war, nor is it based on sober calculations. Since nuclear weapons have been deployed there have been many accidents that almost started a mass exchange, such as the famous accidental insertion in the US's NORAD nuclear command and control center of a training tape showing a mass Soviet nuclear attack on the US that led US military authorities to conclude a mass nuclear attack on the US was in progress. The risk of such accidents is there today as it has been in the past, but that's not a new thing.

There have been cases where nukes were almost used for "legitimate" military purposes. For example, Israel almost used nukes during the Yom Kippur war as a matter of national survival. Likewise, during two prior India-Pakistan wars nukes were considered if the war escalated to where national survival was at stake. But that too is not a new thing.

What is new is the Western disregard for the US of nukes as the West undertakes increasing acts of war against Russia. Estonia trying to seize ships with Russian cargos is an example of ignoring the risk of active war with Russia when the US and NATO have placed offensive nuclear weapons on hair-trigger status minutes away from hitting major Russian cities.

There is no half-way measure when somebody puts a nuclear gun to your head. To use an analogy that might be more understandable to most people, if a bank robber takes a hostage and puts a gun to the head of that hostage, there is no half-way option for kinetic action against that robber if you can't talk him down. You can't fire a warning shot, and you can't rush to tackle the guy. You have to wait for the moment when the gun moves slightly off target and then you shoot the robber in the head. The extreme violence of the robber putting a gun to his hostage's head removes any lesser options for defenders.

It's the same with the US's placing of nukes around Russia, a nuclear gun to Russia's head. When the war goes kinetic, as it would in a Russian response to military actions like direct piracy against Russian ships by NATO powers, Russia has to remove the gun pointed at its head by "taking the headshot" against NATO: it has to annihilate those nuclear weapons before they can be used against Russia. That means Russia must strike those weapons systems and their warheads, and the only way to do that given the extreme hazard of nukes is to use nukes. Nothing else will eliminate the gun the US is pointing at Russia's head with the required 100% certainty.

But like it is the robber's suicidal craziness in putting a gun to a hostage's head that requires a police sniper to take the headshot, just so it is the delusional detachment from reality that has led the US and its EU stooges to put a gun to Russia's head. That's a level of psychotic, delusional instability that's relatively new, not seen since after the Cuban missile crisis (which was caused by the US placing nuclear missiles in Turkey for hair-trigger offensive launches against Russia) when that era's generation of leaders learned it was a really stupid thing to try to put a gun to Russia's head.

Add to that, of course, the risk of simple accidents and the risk of "legitimate" use, which are still around. As the situation heats up and there are more acts of war against Russia, the risk of accidental misidentification by one party or the other of a nuclear strike being underway that causes a launch of a real nuclear attack increases. Likewise, there comes a time when either Russia or the US or one of the US's nuclear dwarfs may think national security really is at stake and it is time for at least tactical nuclear use. If you don't think that could ever happen, who could have thought that the US would destroy a gas pipeline operated by a close ally and which was a direct act of war against Russia, besides being a serious war crime?

As for childish closing of the eyes and wishing real hard that reality-based bad things won't happen, people used to say "stop... no one is going to allow Israel to kill 50,000 women and children in Gaza with impunity" or to proceed enthusiastically with a plan to ethnically cleanse whatever lands it wants from any Palestinian population. And nobody would ever believe that the US would actively move to remove all Palestinians from Gaza so the friends of the US President could engage in a bit of oceanside real estate development.

To paraphrase the famous quote by Trotsky, ""You may not be interested in nukes, but nukes are interested in you."

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Luke's avatar

Roflmao…I know what you mean 😉

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Please don’t get overly trigger-happy with those nukes guys. As the 1970s bumper sticker from California told us: ’A single nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day!’

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sandor's avatar

Very true.

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Steghorn21's avatar

And screw your new gender identity permanently

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CHUCKY's avatar

A single nuke can change your gender permanently.

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pyrrhus's avatar

I doubt that the bombers, while part of the nuclear triad specified in START, would actually be used for a nuclear raid...They're too slow and vulnerable, while the nukes can be more rapidly delivered by missiles fired from land and submarines....and it won't take several hundred either...

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Visceral Psyche's avatar

The reason why bombers remain important is because they are the only leg of the nuclear triad that can be recalled before launch. Kind of a last chance, red telephone line warning before the ultimate commitment.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Stanley Kubrick: Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)

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Victor's avatar

Point made. LOL

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Cheryl Shepherd's avatar

A surprise first strike has an excellent chance of hitting all the missiles in silos. Even in the mid 1970s, the bombers were considered a second strike force for MAD, like the subs. The bombers only had to get loaded and in the air before their air base was vaporised. At the height of the cold war the bombers were always loaded and some were always in the air.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

First strike or second strike, once you go nuclear, human life (plus many other life) will be over!

The living will envy the dead and no one around to help.

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Cheryl Shepherd's avatar

I had a desk job at a strategic AFB half a century ago, no one worried, as we (nearby civilian housing off base included) would be instantly painlessly vaporised. That was a fringe benefit of the job.

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

That's a great way to motivate the troops. "Don't worry, it will be quick and painless" 😅

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Penelope Pnortney's avatar

That would be my goal in the event of a nuclear war, to be at ground zero.

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Karl Humungus's avatar

Yes, but our military masterminds don’t consider the starvation of most of humanity a victory.

Our big problem is that our governments actively hate much of the populace, so MAD is losing its deterrence ability.

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Cheryl Shepherd's avatar

That doco was from 1979, post detente, the bombers weren't flying in rotation 24/7 with strategic ordinance onboard at that point

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gorgonaut's avatar

Whats the point of wasting all that fuel and maintenance costs on bombers that will never even reach their targets (besides the fact that many would be shot down on approach) before the war is decided anyway

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John Galtsky's avatar

"The bombers only had to get loaded and in the air before their air base was vaporised." That takes far longer than it does to launch an ICBM out of a silo. If this is true (it's not, but let's play along for a moment...): "A surprise first strike has an excellent chance of hitting all the missiles in silos." then bomber bases have even less of a chance.

Bomber bases are extremely soft targets. A single relatively small nuke will render the bombers on the base unairworthy, and with a single nuke you can take out dozens of bombers and hundreds of warheads. So bomber bases are the first thing anybody will hit, and they'll hit them with suborbital hypersonics that will vaporize the bomber base before the crews can ride out to the bombers and get to the runway. We're only talking ten minutes to wipe out bomber bases deep inside the heartland, like Whitman, and that's too short a time to get the bombers crewed, started, into the air, and far enough away not to get swatted down by a megaton airburst on the base.

ICBM silos, in contrast, are very hard targets and there are far more silos than bomber bases. You have to put a nuclear warhead onto each silo and if it's even just a near miss, like a hundred yards, it still has a good chance of being able to launch. Even worse, ICBM silos can launch very fast. There are so many of them that, unlike bomber bases, it's not a realistic proposition to nuke them using hypersonics fired on suborbital trajectories from close-in submarines. So you have to use a massive attack by land-based ICBMs. That's something the US will pick up at launch, which means the silos have 30 minutes to fire their missiles at Russia before Russian missiles arrive. That's easy to do. I don't know what the current average launch time is, but given all the practice they do it's likely under five minutes from order to launch.

"At the height of the cold war the bombers were always loaded and some were always in the air." They don't do that anymore - too expensive, even for a money-printing US. It's not really necessary anyway since the ultimate deterrent for the US is the fleet of ICBM and garden variety missile-launching submarines the US operates. On any given day from 25 to 40 or so subs are out on patrol loaded with nuclear weapons, the bigger ones loaded with nearly 200 warheads and the smaller ones with around a dozen. No first strike will take those out.

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Not remotely applicable in modern times. The world's nuclear powers are dependent on missiles and only missiles. Bomber fleets are primarily a US boondoogle, a way to keep shoveling money into the military-industrial complex's feeding trough. The military bureaucracy loves bombers because they are so incredibly demanding of continuous outlays: there are thousands of people who have to be fed, housed, taken care of with medical care, and then retirement. Bases are huge, missions have to be flown to keep crews proficient and all the rest. It's a huge mechanism for consuming vast amounts of money every year.

All that talk about "they can be recalled" by bomber proponents is eyewash. It doesn't matter if you can recall the bombers, because the missiles will have already been fired and would have exploded on target before the bombers get only a short distance away from their bases. In reality, that's not going to happen because Russia's first move in the opening minutes of a conflict will be to vaporize the US's bomber fleets on the ground, using hypersonic missiles on sub-orbital trajectories fired from subs just outside the 12 mile zone.

The US is the only country that claims any value to nuclear bombers. All the rest don't try to (or have any need to) lie to their people. Russia, for example, clearly regards its few bombers as legacy relics. That's why it decommissioned almost 500 of them when it moved to a missile-based deterrent.

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J Swift's avatar

I certainly agree that nuclear armed bombers are worthless, for the reasons you state. Of course, the US wants to keep bombers not so much for nuclear deterrence as for conventionally bombing Third World countries who don’t have good air defenses. There again, since Russia does not engage in offensive force projection abroad, it really has limited use for bombers of any sort.

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John Galtsky's avatar

Yes. It's the same deal with aircraft carriers. Russia doesn't have aircraft carriers because they're only useful for waging war against third world countries that can't shoot back at them. That's something the US does, but not Russia. In wars against second or third world countries carriers are just huge, can't-miss, easy prey.

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GM's avatar
Jun 6Edited

It's not that simple.

Don't forget that Russia was largely defanged by the INF treaty, and then the idiotic decision to stick with it for years after the US pulled out. The Oreshnik is only being mass produced now. But it also needs some very large TELs, etc., i.e. the deployment at the scale needed is not going to be fast.

But guess what was not covered by the INF treaty? ALCMs and ship-launched missiles. And guess who has a much larger air force and a much larger navy, with an overwhelming advantage in the number of VLS cells? And who has all that forward positioned encircling Russia while Russia has nothing comparable around the US?

See the problem?

Taking out those planes would remove a large component of the Russian capability to strike at a distance of 2-3,000 km, especially given that their ships would be quickly sunk in an eventual direct confrontation.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

..." And who has all that forward positioned encircling Russia while Russia has nothing comparable around the US?

See the problem?...

How do you know that Russia has nothing comparable around the US?

Do they need that or do the 'sleeping torpedos' on the ground of the sea shores of the US and the other weapon systems Russia is not talking about are able to do the job?

In my life time, the only ones who were bragging about their weaponry has been the west.

Even in the cold war we were taught to keep modest about our capabilities in the east because war has its own logic and laws.

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GM's avatar

>How do you know that Russia has nothing comparable around the US?

Where are the Russian bases in Mexico and Canada and where are the Russian ships with nuclear-capable missiles permanently camping near NYC and LA?

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Frank Sailor's avatar

If you would know, others would know as well ;-)

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Simon Robinson's avatar

If you view our Planet from the top down, that is with the North Pole in the middle, the USA doesn't look too far away. Maybe why the possession of Canada and Greenland have become suddenly, very desirable properties.

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Dhdh's avatar

true - would love to see Russian bases in Cuba and Venezuela again. but the true focus should be on bases in Iran that directly threaten that illegal jew HQ state... that is why zion Don only cares to talk with Pres. Putin about iran...

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grr's avatar

Bases aren't needed, just shipping containers.

And the nuclear capable ships you deny are near are boats, commonly called submarines.

One again you have shit the bed with your ignorance.

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NiggleS's avatar

And whose Navy, with an overwhelming number of VLS cells, DOESN'T have enough Tomahawks to fill them? Not even once.

Which Navy shot its magazines dry fighting.... Houthis

Like the US, you're still fighting the cold war, wondering why it's not working.

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"Don't forget that Russia was largely defanged by the INF treaty," Total and complete nonsense. Like what, you don't know how to read a map? Anybody with an IQ over 40 can look at a map and see the US is far, far beyond INF range from Russia, which eliminated intermediate and short range missiles. You need long range missiles to cross the Pacific, Atlantic, or Arctic oceans to reach the US from Russia. Doh.

In a war with the US, Russia's ballistic missiles, fired from submarines, land based silos, and mobile ICBM launchers would rain down thousands of nuclear warheads on the US. Sarmats, for example, can deliver ten 750 kiloton warheads per missile or fifteen 150 to 300 kiloton warheads per missile. Yars and others also carry multiple warhead loads. Russia's missiles are perfectly capable of killing over 300 million Americans while still leaving a few thousand more warheads for depopulating every one of the US's vassals, from the UK to Australia.

Anybody who thinks a direct confrontation between the US and Russia won't go nuclear is simply nuts.

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GM's avatar
Jun 6Edited

>the US is far, far beyond INF range from Russia, which eliminated intermediate and short range missiles

But Europe is very close, and the US has forward deployed there

Why do you never see ballistics on Lutsk, Rovno, Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk, Ternopol, etc? Because Russia has none, the Iskander range is limited to 500 km.

Supposedly there was an Iskander-1000 in the works and it was fired once, but it hasn't been heard of since then.

Meanwhile Iran and China have these elaborate arsenals of ground launched missiles of all sizes and ranges, plus vast underground structures to protect them.

>Sarmats, for example

...have not yet been actually deployed.

And the ICBMs are only there as a deterrent. Because there is no escaping the second strike -- you launch them, they fly 30 minutes to the other side, because, you know, physics and shit, the other side sees them within 10 minutes of launch, it fires theirs immediately, both sides die.

The sole purpose of the ICBMs is deterrence.

But if deterrence has failed, then there is no point to them. And, as we just saw, deterrence has almost completely failed now, as we are at the stage of the Russian nuclear forces being directly attacked by NATO.

When you are in that position, you need to be able to deliver a disarming first strike against NATO in Europe. The US then will face the choice of launching the ICBMs and dying, or losing the empire but living. One takes the latter every time.

But for that to work, you need to be able to deliver that disarminig first strike on NATO in Europe. And the INF treaty killed that capability, which is why it was yet another of Gorbachev's countless acts of grand treason. Meanwhile the US has forward deployed and thinks it can do a first strike. To the point of already launching a partial such this weekend.

Had there been 1000 nuclear MRBMs ready to evaporate Europe within 10 minutes notice, as there were in the 1980s, we would be in a very different situation now. As it is, there are 50 Oreshniks or so, who knows how many Zirkons and with what range exactly, and no other ballistics other than Iskanders. Which barely get you to Berlin from Kaliningrad. Yeah, you can take out Poland, but not much more than that with them.

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"Why do you never see ballistics on Lutsk, Rovno, Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk, Ternopol, etc? Because Russia has none, the Iskander range is limited to 500 km."

By God, that's intensely stupid, even for you. As they say in paleontology, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." (Have somebody smart explain that to you if after reading it for a few times you don't get it.)

You have to be a complete and total moron to believe Russia does not have a wide variety of weapons that can strike Lutsk, Rovno, Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk, Ternopol, including ballistics. It's just that because Russians are not intensely stupid imbeciles they don't bother using longer range ballistics on those when a wide variety of intermediate range ordnance does the job just fine. Doh.

">Sarmats, for example

...have not yet been actually deployed."

In point of fact, they have. Be that as it may, when you read with sub-third grade reading skills you miss the important parts, such as "for example" which indicates the cited thing is only one example of the class. In this case, Sarmats are not the only intercontinental range ballistic missiles that Russia has. It has many others. Yars, for example.

"deterrence has almost completely failed now, as we are at the stage of the Russian nuclear forces being directly attacked by NATO.

When you are in that position, you need to be able to deliver a disarming first strike against NATO in Europe. "

Ah, no, Russian nuclear forces have not been directly attacked by NATO. A tiny number of obsolete bombers that have no significant role in Russia's nuclear deterrent were attacked by US/NATO proxies in a highly annoying but in reality ankle-biting attack that has had absolutely no impact on Russia's operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine, on Russia's military defeat of the US and NATO in Ukraine, or on Russia's strategic deterrent.

The last thing anybody with a functioning forebrain should do in response to such an annoyance is launch a nuclear first strike against US and NATO forces in Europe.

"Had there been 1000 nuclear MRBMs ready to evaporate Europe within 10 minutes notice, as there were in the 1980s, we would be in a very different situation now. As it is, there are 50 Oreshniks or so, who knows how many Zirkons and with what range exactly, and no other ballistics other than Iskanders. Which barely get you to Berlin from Kaliningrad. Yeah, you can take out Poland, but not much more than that with them."

It's hard to tell from the incredible stupidity of your comments whether you're just being a full time troll spouting propaganda for morons, or if you're just basically a not very intelligent person who also has extraordinarily poor reading skills.

I took the time for intelligent readers of these comments to set out what the parameters of a possible first strike might look like. Somehow, you missed all that. The last thing any Russian leader who is not a total imbecile like you would want to do would be to erase Europe with a strike using "1000 nuclear MRBMs", because, as I pointed out in my earlier essay, doing that would generate a radioactive cloud that would move from West to East and rain out over Russia. That would kill millions of Russians. Doh.

Much smarter would be to do what I pointed out is the rational strategy: use a limited number of nukes to denuclearize Europe. Russia has well over 5000 more nukes than it needs to do that, including plenty with the range to strike targets in Europe, especially considering all the fast movers will be fired from near-shore subs. Doh.

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Stop with the ‘denazify’ (is that a word on boomer Fox News?) nonsense - the issue as always is the Jew.

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John Galtsky's avatar

That's a word in the Russian ultimatum to the US that the US blew up, resulting in the loss of trillions of dollars of wealth to the US and its vassals as well as the military defeat of the US and NATO in Ukraine.

Let's explain the word in a way you'll understand: it means getting rid of the influence of nazis like you, which, I suppose, is why it hits a nerve with you.

And no, the issue is not always the Jew. It is for one-dimensional nazi thinkers like you, apparently, but for people who aren't unbalanced there are very, very many issues out there. For example, the nuclear war that sooner or later may happen between India and Pakistan has nothing to do with Jews. Doh.

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Dhdh's avatar

Seems you are ‘simply nuts ‘ as a direct confrontation exists already. It matters not the troops are Ukrainian among others. It is questionable whether the U.S. nukes even work anymore thanks to dei. Diversity equity and isreal.

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John Galtsky's avatar

"a direct confrontation exists already. "

Not substantially, as in open warfare directly between significant US forces and Russian forces. Nobody in modern times counts a handful of special forces fighting each other with neither side talking about it.

"It is questionable whether the U.S. nukes even work anymore thanks to dei."

No, there's no question that US nukes do, in fact, work. They're tested all the time in subcritical tests just below the Test Ban treaty thresholds.

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Dhdh's avatar

Citation needed. Are you a trumptard ?

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Dhdh's avatar

‘Nobody in modern times’ ? What a stupid statement. You labor under the assumption that your stupid opinion is fact.

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Dhdh's avatar

Russia is a land power and has always relied on land based ICBMs. road mobile and silo.

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John Galtsky's avatar

Actually it relies mostly on submarines these days. The land-based arsenal you refer to is a backup in case the US manages to invent a way to detect Russia's subs that is not covered by the various technological countermoves against such possibility.

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Dhdh's avatar

Type/name Russian

designation Launchers Year

deployed

Warheads x yield

(kilotons)

Total

warheads

Strategic offensive weapons

ICBMs

SS-18 M6 Satan RS-20V 40 1988 10 x 500/800 (MIRV) 4001

SS-19 M3 Stiletto RS-18 (UR-100NUTTH) 0 1980 6 x 400 (MIRV) 02

SS-19 M4 ? (Avangard) 6 2019 1 x HGV 6

SS-25 Sickle RS-12M (Topol) 93 1988 1 x 800 9

SS-27 Mod 1 (mobile) RS-12M1 (Topol-M) 18 2006 1 x 800? 18

SS-27 Mod 1 (silo) RS-12M2 (Topol-M) 60 1997 1 x 800 60

SS-27 Mod 2 (mobile) RS-24 (Yars) 153 2010 4 x 100? (MIRV) 6124

SS-27 Mod 2 (silo) RS-24 (Yars) 20 2014 4 x 100? (MIRV) 80

SS-X-29 (silo) RS-28 (Sarmat) – (2022) 10 x 500? (MIRV) –

Subtotal 306 1,1855

SLBMs

SS-N-18 M1 Stingray RSM-50 0/0 1978 3 x 50 (MIRV) 06

SS-N-23 M2/3 RSM-54 (Sineva/Layner)7 5/80 2007 4 x 100 (MIRV) 3208

SS-N-32 RSM-56 (Bulava) 5/80 2014 6 x 100 (MIRV) 4809

Subtotal 10/16010 80011

Bombers/weapons

Bear-H6/16 Tu-95MS6/MS16/MSM 55 1984/2015 6-16 x AS-15A ALCMs

or 14 x AS-23B ALC

448

Blackjack Tu-160/M 13 1987/2021 12 x AS-15B ALCMs

or AS-23B ALCM, bombs

132

Subtotal 6812 580

https://thebulletin.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/nuclearnotebook-March2022-russia-table1.pdf

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John Galtsky's avatar

Terrible formatting. Was there a thought you intended to convey? If so, the incoherent presentation hasn't brought it out. Please clarify.

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Dhdh's avatar

Go to link

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Dhdh's avatar

You are wrong that Russia relies primarily on ballistic missile subs.

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Peter Joy's avatar

Quite. In MAD terms, they are relics from the era of Dr Strangelove and the RAF V-force. For the past 60 years, they’ve been little more than a tertiary back-up force for submarine and land-based ICBMs.

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Dhdh's avatar

road mobile ICBMs are the key and they are difficult to find. 20 B-2s have no chance...

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Luke's avatar

Am sure most of you are aware of the Trump/Musk spat no doubt. I have been pulling for Trump for the same reasons I think Mr Putin & Dugin were hoping for; a peaceful solution.

If I was Elon I would be smoking pissed off. Got his biz screwed with for sticking his neck out. Then Trump and the Rs basically ignore all the shit he found. That along with no high level arrests of the organizers.

Hostilities in the Ukraine revealed much to me. The debt slavery system we are ruled by now cannot reset unless China and Russia are brought to heel. THIS is the biggest reason for the situation in Ukraine. Then you have our greatest ally wanting to war with Iran.

If what Elon said about Epstein is correct then I’m afraid it means Trump is captured. He’s been playing the Deep States good cop to the Russia situation. If Putin didn’t understand this he does now.

Again, this is all predicated on Musk’s accusations. If accurate then I go back to my original theory in early 2024. Trump was brought in to restore Patriotism and Nationalism. This would have been allowed by our Atheist and Zionist overlords in order to recruit for the .mil Demoralization would have to take a back seat because a bunch of young Johnny Rebs are much better fighters than pink haired faggots.

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Lindsey Reed's avatar

Are you saying Trump was a frequent flyer to Epstein's Paradise Island? If so, that would have been screaming, foot-high, front page headlines in the syphalitic media long ago.

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Luke's avatar

I absolutely understand what you are saying. They went after Trump on everything most of the shit was either petty or he didn’t do it. But ONLY two people went down for the Epstein, He and his woman. A lotta stuff going on with a lot of powerful people. I can see the TPTB telling their media that anything to do with the Epstein saga was off limits. That would include Trump. As you can tell it’s been a complete circling of the wagons.

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John Osman's avatar

Epstein was Mossad. That's why it's kept on the down low.

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Steghorn21's avatar

We have a winner. Revealing that to the sheep would severely annoy our masters in Tel Aviv.

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Angelina's avatar

I'm pretty sure that Melinda, Bill Gate's wife timely divorced him to not be around when the shit was expected to hit the fan. With money they got, they didn't need to divorce, they could easily arrange to never intersect.

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Haywood Jablome's avatar

Melinda was in on the entire pedophile thing. Don't be fooled by the divorce. Only done to protect at least 50% of their money.

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Angelina's avatar

I doubt she was in the ring, but she knew that shit was going on

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Haywood Jablome's avatar

Read about Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo. She was the mastermind behind killing her own sister and three others after raping them. Just because Melinda is a woman has no bearing on whether she was physically involved. When it comes to sexual deviance women are far worse than men.

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Ngungu's avatar

> Melinda was in on the entire pedophile thing.

How do you know?

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Haywood Jablome's avatar

When you are married to someone that long who has those "proclivities" for decades, you know and are a participant.

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Simon Robinson's avatar

Lest we forget, young poor, and then very rich (after dumping the Prince in the sh!t) Virginia, despite taking refuge in Northern Australia didn't last too long to enjoy her £12,000,000 payout. Hit by a Schoolbus so they say.

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Lindsey Reed's avatar

I was appalled when I saw the one quick, here and gone, story that Pam Bondi was going to be covert about the Epstein investigation.

Trump, it seems to me, is unable to be objective about Israel and their influence in DC, because he has son-in-law Kushner (Jewish)?

As an Honor Flight participant, I objected to including Holocaust Museum in the itinerary - it was originally located in DC, in order to establish and run the "Guilt Trip" on America, even though the media, not America, was at fault for not coming to the rescue during the Holocaust. And the media was (is) Jewish-owned?

Plus, the Jewish-owned media in Munich created Hitler's mindset in the early 1920's by stifling his then-harmless socialist movement. They created their own monster (details in the first half of Mein Kampf - the 2nd half is a rant).

What's behind their hatred of Russia? Is it just because they want to keep everyone off-balance and fighting each other? Zelensky will never give an inch. Putin's view, and mine, is that the US/NATO involvement in Country 404 is similar to the agenda of a (malicious) in-law, a 3rd party, interfering in a marriage (between Russia and Ukraine).

Trump communicates well, Putin communicates well. So does Modi. Xi needs a little encouragement to accept China's responsibility as everyone's global neighbor and eceonomic giant. Ramaphosa is turning into an Affirmative-Action racist, but he and Lula are along for the ride. We could have a world-wide summit, leaders all listening to each other, no one on drugs like Biden and hiding in the basement refusing to talk, but creating affinity, like Sim says, and building 1648-style agreements, to construct a new paradigm. 2025 could be a wild ride, down Revolutionary Avenue, to the last stop on the bus route - the Planetary Mall - a world based on Understanding, not Violence.

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Dhdh's avatar

the jew has always hated Russia and the russians. the jew controlled wilson was directed to embargo russia

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/woodrow-wilson-was-a-hero-to-jews

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grr's avatar

"the Holocaust"

You spelled it wrong. It is Hollowhoax

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Ngungu's avatar

Too many people still buy the story, convinced that 6 million Jews were gassed in rickety chambers with wooden doors to "seal" off the gas.

What they don't tell us is that when the gas was in short supply thanks to Allied bombing, deaths went up in the camps due to people weakening thru starvation AND the absence of the delousing agent.

When fresh supplies arrived, deaths declined. But shhh, don't tell anyone!!

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grr's avatar

"the delousing agent"

Zyklon B, the same as used at Ellis Island on immigrants. Strangely they didn't claim that they were gassed en masse.

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David Lentz's avatar

Apparently the client list had 350 elite men

Imagine the damage would come from its release

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Gisela's avatar

We will never know, that's my prediction.

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Opport Knocks's avatar

Epstein's lawyer David Schoen: "he (Epstein) had no information harmful to President Trump."

Of course he didn't. All the useful Kompromat was sent back to senior management in Tel Aviv.

Only the useless chickenshit was left behind for the FBI to find.

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grr's avatar

AFAIK Trump is not recorded on any Lolita Express flight. However he did party with Epstein and his Jewish harridan pimp many times in NYC. And spoke fondly of him in a magazine i'view.

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Bread and Circuses's avatar

But he also threw Epstein out of his party once when Pedo-Jeff was acting badly in the swimming pool area.

I don't think Trump ever visited the pedo island, unlike Bill Clinton and aforementioned Bill Gates for example.

Most likely being in the real estate biz in the NYC makes it necessary to hang out with lowlifes like Mossad asset Epstein.

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Joseph Adam-Smith's avatar

That is on record - it was at Mar Lago resort. The full story, as I was told was that one of Trump's managers had had a complaint from one of the staff.

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Simon Robinson's avatar

Iirc. Prior to being catapulted into the exotic highlife of Gulfstream Jets, a Gulf stream Island and International travel in order to massage the egos and other Organs of billionaire movers & shakers, the above mentioned Mrs Guiffre nee' Miss Roberts was employed as a Cloakroom Attendent at Mar e Lago. What a coincidence !

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grr's avatar

There is this though: Epstein inherited the MOSSAD blackmail operation from Roy Cohn. Cohn was always close to Trump, some say was a mentor.

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Dhdh's avatar

exactly

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Albertron's avatar

Also, don't forget who Ghislane's father was, and who he most likely worked for...

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Steghorn21's avatar

Let's see the entire flight logs so we can judge for ourselves. I'll wait!

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Dhdh's avatar

watch the apprentice 2024- about zion don and homo jew roy Cohn...

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Kojo's avatar
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"Lolita Express" isnt the point. The flights and the caribbean Island were not where he spent most of his time.

Epstein and Maxwell were running an underage whorehouse right inside Epstein's mansion on the Upper East side of New York. And he had been doing the same in his Florida mansion too. That is what we know so far from the testimonies that have been made public from some of the girls involved.

The accusations that were settled regarding the British Royal family - that also involved claims of meeting him in London.

So being named on flight logs or whatever are NOT the be-all and end-all. Most of these things were done without being on a flight or whatever.

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grr's avatar

Yep

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Bread and Circuses's avatar

Plus Epstein's 'Zorro' ranch in New Mexico, where the most disgusting molestations and other extremely depraved activity happened.

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Victor's avatar

Even whilst enemies pedos will stick together for mutual protection, for if one is disclosed by another, then he can return the favour tenfold disclosing many others. So it is not at all surprising that they are all silent about Trump.

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Steghorn21's avatar

The best way to refute Musk's claims would be for Trump to fulfil his election promise: release the whole, unredacted Epstein files.

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dacoelec's avatar

How many important promises has he kept?

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Steghorn21's avatar

In total? Altogether? Rounded to the nearest whole number? Zero.

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Lindsey Reed's avatar

That's the best way and the only way. Like a vampire caught outside after dawn, the Deep State burning to a crisp in the morning sunshine of openness and transparency. Looks like Pam Bondi traded in her integrity when she moved to "The Most Important City in the World".

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Velociraver's avatar

It's well known 🤷‍♂️

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Feral Finster's avatar

**Pure** **speculation** why Team D **might** not have rushed to make this information public:

1. Because various Team D bigwigs (see, e.g., Clinton, Bill) or other important people also merited special Epstein files attention; and/or

2. Because releasing this information might make it public that Epstein was in fact working on behalf of Israel.

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Lindsey Reed's avatar

So the plan behind Epstein's Island was to blackmail US bigwigs to support Israel, under threat of exposure if they did otherwise, like Zelensky and crew were able to control Biden?

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Opport Knocks's avatar

Dude, you have it backwards regarding Zelensky, he was controlled by the Biden State Dept and CIA.

Biden, Blinken, Nuland were already committed Russophobes. They succeeded in getting Poroshenko (our Ukraine Insider) made President in 2014.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06KIEV1706_a.html

Poroshenko had made an enemy of Oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, who then bankrolled Zelensky and the peace campaign in 2019. Trump was US Pres. then so Nuland and company had no influence to prevent their man's defeat.

As soon as they were back in power in 2021, Biden, Blinken, Nuland, sanctioned Kolomoisky for "corruption and election interference". Meaning he had undone their interference. Zelensky got the memo and officially became a tool of the USA.

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Lindsey Reed's avatar

Thanks for the info. Slimey guys everywhere, It's a way of life there. And I'm sure Sloe Joe's son Hunter was up to his eyeballs in everyday Ukrainian-style corruption, and Sloe Joe would want to protect the corrupt family member. I lived there and even tried to invest there. Impossible and still remain ethical. The city I was in, the brave local newspaper was a running a series on the Mayor's son (sound familiar? "The son of the big guy," LOL!) extorting local business, with threats to remove the business license if they didn't pay up. I was warned off when I found out how many regular payoffs you have to make to run a business. I did run a small business in Russia - no problem.

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Finn Andreen's avatar

exactly.

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Finn Andreen's avatar

Trump is known to have flown 7 times on Lolita express, three of these times with Epstein on board. This is known from Feb 27 when Pam Bondi published the logs.

Luke above is NOT talking about that, but about the list of Epstein's who were filmed by Mossad having sex with women that were still minors.

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grr's avatar

"women that were still minors"

So, you mean to say girls.

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Finn Andreen's avatar

Well no, because you can be under 18 and biologically fully developed as a woman. But according to law, you are still a minor.

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grr's avatar

Disagree. A girl is the widely recognised definition of a minor female. Once she reaches the legally defined adult age she is usually then referred to as a (young) woman.

Some 14 year old girls are fully developed physically, are they women? No.

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A female I went to school with had 2 babies before the end of Grade 9. She was obviously a women then.

Perhaps we can get Matt Walsh to make a sequel to his "What is a Woman" documentary that deals with this aspect.

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Karl Humungus's avatar

Except that outing anyone on the list outs many others. Remember, he was fast friends with the Clintons.

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Angelina's avatar

In all fairness, the very rich circle is like a small village - they interact. I read about the Epstein's case extensively, and it's not like it's a big secret - there are plane manifests of who flew on Lolita Express, etc. Trump broke off with Epstein for his attempts to mess up with Trump's employees/whatever (Virginia Giuffre worked at Trump's resort as a spa attendant, where Maxwell picked her up). Virginia never said a bad word about Trump for all these years since 2008, and she conveniently committed suicide 25-Apr-2025. I'm sure if there was something on Trump, she'd sue him (Dems would have grabbed her vs. the Department Store ding), just as she sued Prince Andrew and won/settled for $12 mil. What Musk was saying is nothing new, that they were friendly in the wild 1990s, so what?

Musk and Trump really need to zip it, who needs this brawl on X? I wonder though how Elon got a black eye lately :-)

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Dhdh's avatar

in other words, jews...

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Angelina's avatar

How intertwined this world is shows that Bill Barr's father (Bill Barr became Attorney General)was the principal of a very posh private school in Manhattan, who gave the degree-less Epstein his teaching math job at this school, during which he met some student's father who gave the same degree-less Epstein his Wall Street job.

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Haywood Jablome's avatar

Musk's black eye came courtesy of playing with his son X who punched dad in the face.

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abcdefg's avatar

I thought he was looking at a bridge to buy and accidentally slipped on a banana peel.

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mary-lou's avatar

FWIW: initiation rite ("the Black Eye Club"). not only getting one, but having to display it publicly, including the wonky explanations - https://thephoenixenigma.com/the-black-eye-club/

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Lindsey Reed's avatar

I was confusing Frequent Flyers on Epstein's plane (Trump), not a crime, with being secretly video-ed while partaking of the set-up underage festivities on the island and being subject to blackmail (Bubba?), the way Zelensky had the goods on hidin' Biden.

What a sewer.

The only way to burn the Deep State vampire to a crisp, is the morning sunlight of openness and transparency.

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Angelina's avatar

Trump actually took Lolita Express (Epstein's plane) from NYC to Florida with Melania and Barron. I'm sure that periodically this plane was used just for transportation purposes vs. being Lolita Express.

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Opport Knocks's avatar

That suicide story was very suspect. I expect she got all the money she retired and wanted privacy.

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Moscow Mule's avatar

The fish rots from the head - including within the Beltway. In any event, the Kremlin must be going through buckets of popcorn as we speak (watching "this will make great television - the sequel") and congratulating each other about the low key response to the "unprecedented decimation" of a few exhibits from its flying strategic airforce museum. Time to enjoy the show, stay quiet and not give an excuse for the stage-crew-gone-crazy to unite against the audience. Tomorrow is another day.

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Steghorn21's avatar

I am thoroughly enjoying watching the whole rotten edifice of the GAE collapsing. However, my pleasure is tainted by the fact that these people are maniacs and are capable of taking us all down with them.

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Dhdh's avatar

you mean ZOG.... name the jew....

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Me thinking the Trump/Musk spat no doubt was a theatrical act. Musk had to save his empire and distance himself. Libtards are running around keying and shooting up Tesla cars. I have seen some videos.

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Angelina's avatar

A dangerous business to disassociate yourself from someone in power:-)

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Luke's avatar

Or Trump being they POTUS could have just started arresting the money behind these Tesla vandals. I know that’s the DOJ job and people complain about Bondi, but Trump is the one who picked her.

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Dhdh's avatar

Well Bondi is just some dumb thot that serves the Jew master. The Zion don administration is just a fox news casting couch.

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Feral Finster's avatar

He would not have mentioned Epstein in such a case. There are some serious implication there.

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Yoni Reinón's avatar

What is this story about Musk's black eye? Remember Musk is not an outsider. He grew up with Peter Thiel, very likely helped by deep state shadow money. Starlink, Space X... They are closely tied to the Pentagon and NASA. Tesla and Twitter are also compromised. He is just a middle man.

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Dhdh's avatar

yep - homo Peter Theil is his handler..

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Angelina's avatar

Grew up where exactly? He came to Canada as 18 yo from SA, and then went to study @ Stanford.

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Free Range Texan's avatar

It is simply inconceivable that Trump is on the list as if so, that information would have been trotted out years ago and certainly before the Kamala fiasco. Musk is demonstrating that he may be unstable and now has to worry about shareholder lawsuits owing to his recent public behavior - that 14% share price decline yesterday is gonna leave a mark. I support Trump, but when you make him look like the rational party in a food fight, Jebus.

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Politugal's avatar

You don't believe it, because you somehow think Trump is a "good guy". He's not. Also to reveal whatever in regards to Trump and Epstein, also means retaliation and revelations regarding others, which do not want to stir the hornets nest. It's best to stay quiet and not let the USA sheep take their finger out of their asses and actually put their brains to work at least once during their entire lives. Although given how dumb USA people are, I'm not sure any revelations would make them change their beliefs. USA people are cult fanatics. Whatever their side or color tells them, they believe in it until they die, even if reality shows them otherwise.

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Dhdh's avatar

why would you support zion don?

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Lindsey Reed's avatar

He's a 1000x better than Biden, who hid in the basement and refused to talk to other world leaders, just calling them names. Trump communicates, which is necessary for understanding, and to make agreements.

Obviously, he is way out of line when claiming the "two sides" in Ukraine need to make a deal, implying the US is some sort of impartial observer. Yeah, like a malicious in-law interfering in a marriage is some sort of "impartial observer". LOL!

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Dhdh's avatar

Lol 1000x0 =0. Both are Jew puppets.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Revealing that would severely annoy our masters in Tel Aviv.

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Politugal's avatar

You seem to imply Trump wants peace. Trump has done nothing more than make things worse and quite far from peace.

He has never, EVER, not a single time, criticized the ukrainian nazis for their continued attacks on civillians. He has in fact bragged about arming the ukrainian nazis, claiming he was "helping Ukraine". For a piece of trash like Turmp that was accused of being fascist, a nazi, siding with nazis, etc, during his first term, Trump does a great job of actually siding with ACTUAL nazis during his second term.

Trump is an absolute disgrace. The Epstein connection is just a tiny piece of trash of the giant piece of trash Trump is. He surrounds himself with the worst scum on planet Earth and somehow people still think he's a "good guy" and "wants peace" ? How naive can you be ? I gave him the benefit of the doubt during his first term, because clearly he wasn't prepared for it. But during his second term, he knows very well who he surrounds himself with. Trump is no different, than pedo Biden, Obama, Clinton, Bush and all the USA scum on this planet. Purely motivated by self interests and be evil to do harm on others, just because they want to. Let's not forget Trump bragging about bombing civillians in Yemen. Absolutely vile, disgusting people in the USA. Trump is owning the war in Ukraine and that's all his fault. He is a nazi supporter, fascist supremacist with an ego with infinite size, although egos are huge for pretty much every north american there is, so it's not a Trump problem but a north america problem.

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Dhdh's avatar

stop with the "nazi" nonsense. Zion Don is a jew puppet and Ukraine is a jew project.

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Politugal's avatar

When you realize nazism is the ideology in both Ukraine and Israel, then you'll stop saying that. A genocidal psychopathic fascist and supremacist ideology that makes these "people" believe they are superior to everyone else...I'm sure you see the similarities.

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Dhdh's avatar

You obviously know nothing of the NSDAP.

there are racial differences

It is a Jew infestation of the west that is the problem. The Jew has a Jew supremacist chosen by god and all else are goyim (cattle).

Why do you deflect from the Jew problem ?

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Politugal's avatar

I'm talking about ideology and nazism is what both Ukraine and Israel follow (USA and Europe by supporting both, also support nazism). Jew is not an ideology, but perhaps you consider it one. I don't.

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Dhdh's avatar

Of course you don’t identify Jew as a race as I suspect you are one.

National socialism is an excellent ideology and the only antidote to the Jew.

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Dhdh's avatar

Nazi is just an insult word for NSDAP and obviously Ukraine and Israel are not German. You are certainly clueless and just programmed by the Jew propaganda. Fascism is an ideal political theory

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Feral Finster's avatar

Don't. Feed. The. Troll.

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Dhdh's avatar
Jun 6Edited

Why is naming the Jew a troll ? If I recall you are a Jew.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Indeed. I hear this a lot: "Trump wants peace". A man who continues to fund the neonazis in Kiev and the genocide in Gaza does not want peace.

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Politugal's avatar

Exactly. It's absurd that anyone continues pushing this idiocy, Trump is a warmonger like any other USA person...he even brags about sending weapons to nazis in Ukraine. Something that the man that was accused of supporting nazis during his first term, should avoid...but here we are.

But then again, we also have Germany, the country that forever and ever should not take sides in any conflict / war, took the side of nazis in Ukraine...so it's not just a Trump problem, it's a nazi infestation all over north america and europe.

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

Was this mentioned in this post by Simplicius? You have so many places to discuss Elun/Orange Moron elsewhere

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Luke's avatar

You stfu

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Ravishing Rudey's avatar

No, why don't you stop thinking that American bollocks is the centre of the universe?

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Steghorn21's avatar

It has a bearing on the Ukrainian situation because, once again, it shows Trump's complete narcissism and lack of critical thinking skills. These defects have been on full view in his handling of Ukraine.

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Dhdh's avatar

zion don has always been a jew tool. Musk too at least since twitter and his Potemkin village visit to that illegal jew state...

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Luke's avatar

Some of you have been saying this for some time. I have been pushing back on you mainly because of how you frame it. When you talk about the Atheists & Zionists it’s good to have some tact. The goal should always be to get normal people thinking. THAT is what is needed above all else. We need the masses alive and kicking.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Normal people don't think. If they did, Macron, Starmer, Merz and people like Graham would be hanging from lamposts.

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Dhdh's avatar

and the jew would not exist...

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Dhdh's avatar
Jun 6Edited

just name the jew.

“The Jew is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".”

― Joseph Goebbels, Goebbels on the Jews: The Complete Diary Entries - 1923 to 1945

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Luke's avatar

America is NOT ready to hear you spew that shit at this moment. It may have its time once again BUT NOT if people like you continually push them away. Normies hear you and they run thinking “oh he sounds like a crazy white supremacist”.

This is a fucking crying shame really because my instincts tell me normies are receptive at the moment. I almost wonder if you don’t work for Mossad. Hell you guys chased me away thinking maybe it’s best to be ruled by the J as opposed to these people.

So knock the shit off and refine yourself. I will give you the most powerful tool in your arsenal. It’s a standup routing from D Chapelle. Most people believe him and this gets the party started. If what he is saying is correct it’s not hard to believe they not only control Hollywood but all other media as well.

https://rumble.com/v1vre9s-dave-chappelle-stand-up-monologue.html

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Dhdh's avatar

Naming the Jew is the answer. Why do you think they hate being identified. If there a little symbol on each one (for example) you fox news watching retards would see them everywhere and that would be the end of them.

And who is teaching them that ‘white supremacism’ is bad but Jew supremacism is what they show now down to?

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Dhdh's avatar

Nice swear words and reference to some negro comedian. Shows how low class you are.

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Luke's avatar

You are an idiot sir and you do us far more harm than good.

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Dhdh's avatar

yes zion don was brought in to restore Patriotism and Nationalism to fight wars for his jew masters...

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Velociraver's avatar

If Israel is your "greatest ally", you are deep in the shit, indeed 🤣 The same savages who stole your nuclear secrets, fissile material and who killed scores of your sailors aboard the USS Liberty?

Pull your foolish head out of your ass.

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Luke's avatar

I’m guessing you ain’t from around there parts. Here in America we call what I said (Greatest Ally)….SATIRE!

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Kojo's avatar

A spat between two corrupt perv oligarchs is a sideshow. The people have no dog in that fight.

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Luke's avatar

Unfortunately, that is what it’s looking like. Am the first to admit I pushed Trump as hard as I could. It was really the ONLY sane choice. I did it based on hope that he might surprise. He did at first but it sure doesn’t look good now.

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Peter's avatar

Johnny rebs won’t want to fight for Ukraine. They aren’t that stupid.

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Luke's avatar

Once they’re enlisted they probably won’t have a choice. My nephew is 14. He has all the traits of a good soldier, maybe even special forces. He’s smart, athletic, and good with guns. After the election heist in 2021 my brother said no fucking way will he serve. It sure as hell is not for keeping America safe. No, instead the US .Mil is for the Globalists and their Bankers.

After Biden was installed the .mil had to cut all kinds of corners to bring in fresh blood. While I do not have the numbers common sense tells me it’s no longer necessary to do that. In fact, Hegseth has said that won’t be happening anymore (overweight, etc). I have a distinct feeling with Trump in there the shortage of new blood will not be an issue.

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Dhdh's avatar

Traits of a good soldier ? Stupid enough to fight wars for the Jew ?

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Luke's avatar

Not my nephew but I would bet my right testicle the recruiting numbers are up now since Trump’s election. And if you would have read my comments carefully you would understand that’s why I think Trump was put back into power. Recruit recruit recruit

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Dhdh's avatar

I agree that trump and his ‘merica Fox News talking head cabinet is specifically to recruit whites

to fight Jew wars. You have to be an idiot to fight for this Jew controlled government

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Luke's avatar

It’s not that they are stupid per se. It’s just that these people don’t know anything about it. They need to be educated on the matter. It’s not an easy process but I do believe this is the right time to do it. It’s my assumption the masses are more receptive at the moment. The good news is the right wingers are not impervious to facts like the left. Of course the left doesn’t like Jews right now because they see them as White Colonialists stealing the land from brown people (Palestine). So they are worth trying to convince too.

This is where you are going to need some tact and strategy if you intend to do it.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Humans are as easily herded as sheep.

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Karl Humungus's avatar

I’ve thought Trump is a plant since 2016. The Dems just justified too much insane behavior off of his antics, and he keeps creating more pretext without actually accomplishing anything.

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Luke's avatar

Still uncertain about him but after last couple weeks I admit it doesn’t look promising. He has done a lot of good shit. He was also cheated in 2020. Would say the most important thing Trump has accomplished was taking a flame thrower to political correctness. People so readily forget how bad it was after Obama’s 2nd term. It’s why so many wrote Trump off.

Rather or not DT is playing us or not some need to understand that most of what you see is real. It’s just that the puppet masters in the shadows have their plans. They also have the final say.

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Karl Humungus's avatar

See, I think the whole point of Woke is to infuriate us to the point we don’t notice anything else.

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Luke's avatar

Yeah that fits in perfectly with the larger point. “Wokeism” is about tearing at the moral fabric of Western Culture. The leftist idiots don’t get it. They’re doing as programmed. The group on top wants us replaced and revoked.

So many examples of this over the last 30 years or so. Wokeism is demoralization on steroids. Now it seems to be getting reined back in. Sure the anver person is tired of it and I want to believe that is indeed the reason for the retreat.

BUT… I have sneaking suspicion that putting Wokeism on standby was approved at the top too. The objective would be to put woke on hold and bring back Nationalism which these people (powers that be) LOATHE. However conflicts need fighting and Patriots are the best.

They want whitey to fight their wars 😡

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Oscar's avatar

Its all theatre. Designed to distract. From what? Take your pick, Palantir AI data grab, the BBB farce, the destruction of wealth via the raised debt ceiling.

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Rashmi's avatar

SBU and Budanov's GRU must be the priority targets to eliminate terrorists along with any CIA-MI6 stations. And for God sake, why are Western terrorists free to visit Kiev? Supply chains of NATO seem to be running smoothly.

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Angelina's avatar

I'm still not convinced that Budanov is not an AI fabrication.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

All what comes in comes at the cost of NATO, so Russia is weakening NATO with everything that they set on fire and Abrams and Leopards burn well, as we could see many times now.

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sandor's avatar

You forgot the main devil, Mossad.

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Pat's avatar

I wonder what a war between NATO and Russia would look like seeing as it is being considered. I would have thought it would be a pretty quick one but maybe nobody will ever use nukes and every war is going to look the same, long, drawn-out and convoluted.

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JC's avatar

There would be a series of strikes, first against military staging, then logistics and power infrastructure. Once the effects of that are exhausted you'd see conventional thrusts with whatever means to blunt them, up to chemical and nuclear. No one would give a flip for Europe's civilians, though the Russians still care about Slavs.

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Pat's avatar

Thanks, it's very interesting to know what different people's expectations are and how much they vary, even while the information available to each is the same essentially. Your version makes sense to me, I just wonder what that would look like. So would Russia want to hit infrastructure at the same rate in those nations as in Ukraine? Surely they would realise the madness of a 100 years war. I expected Ukraine to be done much faster, always wondering where the hold up was.

So for example, limited missile numbers? If the problem is the Ukrainian air defence then the next question, what has to be done about it? Then why hasn't it been done and so on and on until it just doesn't make sense yet that it is happening so slowly. Maybe in the end it's just that bureaucracy (and for the first time in my life I actually just wrote that without thinking and got it right!) is actually a power of it's own and with more power than I had imagined.

I'd appreciate any thoughts on it if you have time.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

‘I expected Ukraine to be done much faster, always wondering where the hold up was.’

Right at the start it was obvious at Kiev that Russia was going the wrong way with miscalculations. They had to know about the fact that Merkel and Trump was loading up Ukraine with high tech antitank weapons for years before 2022. With a 20% Russian minority in Ukraine there was no way for Russia to miss this. Still, they sent in 1,000s of tanks and after heavy losses they had to pull them away from the city. This became a fast evolving technologically advancing drone and missile war, very different from WWII.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

They pulled away as a good faith sign after the negotiations started in 2022 and Ukraine used that as a sign of victory - same old since then.

We have many statements about the 'great Javeline' having a success rate of 18 to 24 percent, even when used by well trained soldiers.

The 'high tech' is always impressive just almost never when it comes to use in real combat.

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Pat's avatar

Thank you!

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Victor's avatar

Russia tried the Kiev thing first because it thought it was worth a try to intimidate the Kiev regime to put a quick end to it all. There was never an intent to actually take Kiev. When there were signs of peace, then the Kremlin pulled back as a goodwill gesture.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Interesting idea.

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Chevrus's avatar

An “idea” backed by well documented evidence

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JC's avatar

And it nearly worked. The Globalist vampires put a stop to any peace right away, however. It is, in fact, very similar to the war between Russia and Sweden, in which Britain and France meddled and shoveled treasure to Sweden to keep them going for 30 years. It ruined Sweden, which was certainly an intent, and distracted Russia for the time, though she emerged stronger in the end for the testing.

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Feral Finster's avatar

This was foolish in the extreme. "Put the gun down and then we'll talk!" never works.

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abcdefg's avatar

Always remember the West's strategic objectives is to overextend Russia and make it appear weak. The Russians never took the bait (they had a copy of the RAND report). They chose to attack Ukraine even though they had a very limited force to deploy in 2022. Since that time they have been all hands on deck building their strategic reserves. Ukraine is important but not the strategic goal. Removing the NATO threat is their objective. It will take a protracted effort and my guess is that they will climb another rung up the escalation ladder very soon.

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Pat's avatar

Thanks a lot, well said.

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JC's avatar

Yes, and to expand on that point, there is an external escalation ladder, and an internal escalation ladder. A major component of political life (regardless of system) is persuading your population to support your actions as leader. Even absolute tyrants (which Putin is not) need to ensure social alignment with strategic goals. Up to the start of the SMO, the populace was not on board with the idea of an existential war with a resurgent, fascist West. Putin has been extremely careful to march only as far down the internal escalation path as he has to to manage fighting NATO.

Immediately jumping into WW3 would not only wreck Russia physically and culturally, but paint it with a black mark wider than the US's nuking of Japan. Measured responses builds an articulate history for both the Russian people and others, to witness how the real sources of terror operate and who they are. Naming the problem correctly is the first step before taking any effective measures toward resolution. What that looks like with regards to the West's Globalist fascist problem will in part be decided by when old money decides to cut their losses.

It's also worth considering Russia's internal issues, which have mirrored the mis-alignment of society. Russian industry was not tuned toward military production (though its latent capacity was huge thanks to Soviet investment), nor were Russia's military structure or leadership fully ready or competent to the challenge. This, aside for any actors with Western leaning who might serve as agents wittingly or unwittingly. It's worth noting that in the American Civil War, analogous in many ways to the current Second Russian Civil War (SMO), Lincoln faced the same issues and it took years before battlefield evidence identified commanders with the will and insight to win.

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abcdefg's avatar

Too true. Even now the majority of Russian support a negotiated resolution, or at least they did a couple of weeks ago. No doubt this is moving in favour of a harsher military response given the current NATO strategy.

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Deplorable Commisar's avatar

" but paint it with a black mark wider than the US's nuking of Japan. "

Really ? and how has the world punished or ostracized the US for its use of nukes ?

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

This is the Enigma of this War. And you know that Russia doesnt talk about a War? It is easily one answer to your question: why it hasnt been done…

When the War ends (it will), I expect Putin to explain (if he is still alive) that Russia should have done otherwise. We in the West and I assume also Russians has been accustomed to ”War” in the sense of Hollywood propaganda and primed during 35 years of US Wars against ragheads in deserts and high-mountains where Air bombing seemed to solve any ”problems”.

Russia should know better after short decisive Wars in Chechen and Georgia.

There are so many aspects of this War that has yet not been adressed.

We know that US jndermined Russian influence in Ukraine since 2000 or earlier. We know the play of the little brits educating Ukrainian soldiers on western equipment long before 2022. It was only US/UK intelligence warning for an imminent invasion of Ukraine late 2021. No other European country did have a clue. The orchestrated threats about what would happen if Russia attack Ukraine combined with relentless provocations from Zel&Yermak pushed Putin to act. He said it himself. US&UK led Russia into a trap with the goal to sanction the sh-t out of Russia. Every part then overestimated what 120 000 men and mechanized forces could do. Russia thought the SMO would last 1-2 week - then surrender of the Ukraine. So did many in the West. The brits knew better. The Russian grossly underestimated the Ukrainian defence and the hidden forces behind all these provocations. Remember NATO Stoltenberg suddenly on Television every day - a very peculiar role for a secretary.

We can leave the question of overestimating the role of panzers and the emerging drone war.

The second underestimation of the War is the resilience of a society. Russia thought that destroying energy distrbution and powerplant would subdue the Ukrainians. It has not. There is no hunger in Ukraine. They are partying and driving around in luxury cars.

The Wests underestimation is even worse. Not has Russia crumbled and, behold, they are even stronger than before the War.

The essence is that arrogance, over- and underestimation is affecting both sides of the War. They lack imagination and visions for a succesful War. Both sides are passangers in the Warmobile.

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Pat's avatar

Wow, thanks for that answer. It's pretty sad that it basically comes down to the worst of people seek the highest power and therefore the conflicts will be over banal and ridiculous things. One might have hoped for a grand conflict over some most succinct evil but instead we get Macrons and Starmers and Trumps and Musks. Egos and vice with all things nice for the voters...

Yet people don't see it in their own lives, how the butterfly effect of a sharp word or an encouraging smile can radiate out and impact many lives.

We are just witnessing the global storm rising from the petulance of premiers, perhaps?

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Mikey Johnson's avatar

Exactly. Evil could be very banal. It is just happening because people in power doesnt care about the human kind. Seeing the Trump/Musk stand-off was even more spectacular than I forecasted. I thought Trump would take them all from behind. Rfk, Tulsi and Rubio. Musk was the first.

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grr's avatar

"There would be a series of strikes, first against military staging, then logistics and power infrastructure."

I tend to think that it would be everything in NATO land hit, all at once. A massive knockout blow via land, sea, and air with absolutely everything required to do the job.

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Davy Alba's avatar

All that is truly required is a large Oreshnik/ Kinzhal strike that reduces the square mile of the City of London, along with MI5/6 Headquarters to rubble. That would remove most of the problem. And probably the Globalists' administration centres in Brussels.

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grr's avatar

Tel Aviv & MOSSAD too.

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sandor's avatar

The best comment so far.

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Dhdh's avatar

exactly - the jew is the problem.

BEKAMPFE DEN EWIGEN FEIND

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JC's avatar

"The jew" is not the problem. Very specific individuals, some of whom are jewish, who have built very elaborate power structures, while embracing the most lizard-like psychopathy toward their fellow man (jewish included), are the issue.

The problem is how to kill the weeds without poisoning the rest of the garden--in which we and our descendants must live.

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Chevrus's avatar

Mebe start there?

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Victor's avatar

City of London is key. They have been the problem for 500 years.

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Dhdh's avatar

since 1656

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Jeff's avatar

I like the way you think

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JC's avatar

"Massive knockout blow" is rather difficult without very large numbers of powerful thermonuclear devices. What is the objective? My postulate is that the objective would be to cause a societal collapse, especially if the population is not ready for war AND large portions are foreign and dependent. Note that Ukraine lacked the large foreign populations of Western Europe, and aside from the Ukrainian/Russian split is relatively homogeneous: everyone pretty much looks the same and has common cultural touchpoints. This is not the case in the West, where society is much more dependent on information economies and just-in-time supply chains.

Electrical war has a higher impact when you de-facto erasing the internet and banking payments systems, braking food logistics, and shattering large-city infrastructure. You can do this by deleting plots of land with nukes, but that carries a huge cost so the West has bet on Russia not being willing to carry it. Russia would likely open with strikes on electricity and then see what happens; if ground action could be avoided, they would. If not, then there are probably nukes in the air as well.

Please keep in mind that it is very unlikely for Russia and NATO to get into a real shooting war west of Ukraine unless the US leaves NATO. No American president--even Biden when conscious--would pay a single US city for any place in Europe, including London. The NATO suicide pact has always been a bluff.

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Dhdh's avatar

The ‘west’ as a society already is collapsed because of the Jew and constant importation of sub humans.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

It would be satellites down, communications dead, electricity gone (including all implications of what that means) and at the end sticks & stones as Einstein predicted.

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Steghorn21's avatar

And worst of all, no social media. How will the West survive?

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Gisela's avatar

I'm keeping all my 'Popular Mechanics' magazines and how to find 'Edibles in the Wild' books, just in case.

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NiggleS's avatar

Well that's an interesting question.

Let's start with some certainties.

1. Russia WON'T declare war first, and thus won't strike any "first blows",

2. NATO CAN'T declare war without the above casus belli (Hence the endless "provocations") and will have to resort to a "false flag" event to even get that happening.

Assuming MI-6 can finagle that, then NATO does nothing until the USA gets its boots on, because Euro-NATO has nothing, beyond the French rushing troops into Odessa, to sip coffee at the local cafe and await a Geran.

The only area of superiority OTAN has is in its fighter strength, which to get in range of, well, *anything* relevant will need to forward base in Poland, and rely on the USA to bring its tanker fleet forward too.

At this point, Mr Oreshnik should make an appearance, because that's *exactly* the type of juicy target you crack with a Hazelnut, at which point NATO is out many billions of dollars of aircraft, no damage done for their money.

Meanwhile, with a NATO declaration of war, Russia can go "gloves off" on every road and rail line between Europe and Ukraine, within a couple of months you have millions of tired and hungry Ukrainians trudging West to find refuge, and any troops incoming have to bring *everything* they need to fight Russia with, to be attrited when they get within 50km of wherever Russia chooses the front line to be.

To send a polite point, Russia dusts off the "full range" Kalibr missiles and destroys every electrical connection Germany has with France, Poland and Austria. This blacks out Europe for a day (unless they can stop the cascade) and leaves Germany in a state of permanent rolling blackouts until they can repair them.

If a NATO declaration of war triggers any clauses Russia has with China, then OTAN is toast, even if all Russia does is ask China to send it a Geran factory with a 1000 per day output, which is a trivial ask for Chinese Engineers.

The Eurotards trying for war with Russia are either hoping for the USA to pony up some of its "physics defying" weapons or envisage a "Korean War" scenario where brave Euro-troops repel hordes of boot-less Russians, before proudly marching on the mud and thatch Kremlin to lay jack boot on the throats of pretty Russian maidens.

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Pat's avatar

Thanks very much for so eloquently sharing your thoughts!

The first certainty I am not so certain about, though the likelihood is very low but still I would imagine there must be a 1% chance of something being able to trigger Russia's declaration of war.

If for example there were month long terrorist attacks within Russia and Zelensky was openly saying it was state sanctioned and so on, it's a possibility wouldn't you say?

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NiggleS's avatar

Whatever that 1% item might be, it HAS to be so obviously an attack by NATO, that even Western "journalism" can't memory hole it, before Russia would take the step of declaring war...

Ukraine being the culprit, by whatever admission, just doesn't cut it, it MUST be definitively a NATO act, something like catching an SAS platoon, *inside* Russia, attacking something important.

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Pat's avatar

Agreed.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Good insights. The Euroweenies are rather like Netanyahu: they believe they can get something started with a powerful opponent and their big buddy will step in to help them. I would hope that the worst that would happen is that Germany continues to play neocon point man, launches missiles at Russia via their Ukie proxies and then gets pounded by Mr Oreshnik. In a sane world, that would bring the rest of the Western warmongers to reality. In a sane world, of course.

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Gisela's avatar

It kinda sounds like a best case scenario.

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NiggleS's avatar

It *is* a best case scenario, but perhaps not quite the way you think it is.

For starters, in the scenario I gave, Russia does *nothing*, save launch a few extra missiles and change their current missile targeting priorities.

An omission is that NATO would enact a complete Naval embargo on all Russian ports, leading to nasty little stand off and Russia totally reliant on its land transport links with China, NK and Iran. Painful, but not a country breaker.

Another omission is that Trump would ask "What's in it for the US?" of any Article 5 entry into war with Russia, and the only one that would sway him is "We get to surround China"

If he does go with that reason, then *all* clauses with Russia get enacted, and China starts shovelling military aid into Russia in quantities that make NATO's eyes *bleed*...

America: "Why did you give Russia 1 million drones?"

China: "Ah, So Solly. Shipping error. Cyrillic so difficult you know? Prolly make same error next week"

There's other things, like OTAN invading Kaliningrad from Poland, forcing Russia to "reintegrate" Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia into the RF on the way to relieving the city. Finland making an abortive entry into Russian territory, because President Stubb would really, REALLY like his grandparents home back.

Then you get NATO (ie. The Americans) going "We'll show Ukraine how you REALLY fight a war!" At which point they obligingly assemble their troops into an assault force and find out Russia REALLY DOES have missile superiority and Iskanders are no joke.

Then it devolves to exactly the kind of attrition fight that Russia has been practicing for three years, at which point historians discover that the USA has actually received SFA casualties in war (except the Civil War) and fighting Slavs on THEIR turf is a meatgrinder they really have no stomach for, as platoons die whole for a speck on the map they can't even pronounce, let alone spell.

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Steghorn21's avatar

The problem is that wars have a momentum of their own. Once it starts, it ramps up quickly.

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Dhdh's avatar

you are basically watching it in Ukraine. the real question would be how effective US air power would be against Russian IADs. without airpower the US is nothing.

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Bash's avatar

The sumy front is indicative. Weak defenses meant that Ru was able to pull off an almost "big arrow" advance. Rest of the front is moving at snails pace because Ukrainian defense is stiff and effective.

Zelensky has reason to be as belligerent as he is. Though the AFU is on the strategic defensive, no major city is at risk and the speed of Russian advance is slow.

And, as for the drone attack. Again, its capabilities & intentions. Every time I come here I keep hearing about Ru doesnt do anytning because it has other intentions, whereas the more likely answer is that it simply doesnt have the capability. Same with putin - i find it annoying how docile and passive he is, but perhaps he is simply operating within limits that are obvious to him as the leader of the russian federation

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Vinny Vanchesco's avatar

The speed of the Russian advance is not directly correlated to the stated goals of the SMO, let alone the strategic, logistical and/or political sustainability of Russia's long term struggle.

Ukraine will fall apart slowly....and then all at once - and all you'll see is NATO's heel going out the door.

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Bash's avatar

Even Fighterbomber is asking if the extent of Russian response is "more of the same", and if it is, to just stop saying anything about 'responses'

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Angelina's avatar

Will fall apart but never admit defeat, and will form Ukraine's Victorious Government in-exile.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

What you admit is irrelevant.

The US was (together with Australian and France) 15 years in Vietnam, defeated but never admitting it ;)

20 years in Afghanistan, with the whole of NATO even the tiny Netherlands involved - defeated.

The whole world knows but the Yemenite forced the US to withdraw from the red Sea.

I would advise to pump another trillion of $ into your "defense", let the people pay as they do since the robbing capitalists are in power, like forever.

The pump guns will talk soon inside the US, then they will have other problems than Russia, China or Iran.

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Angelina's avatar

@Frank Sailor - my reply was @ Vinny's comment "Ukraine will fall apart slowly....and then all at once" - have another coffee and re-read my comment again:-)

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Frank Sailor's avatar

the you was not the 'you'...

you should know me better by now ;-)

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Angelina's avatar

But as any woman I think that the "world revolves around me" LOL

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Deplorable Commisar's avatar

" The US was (together with Australian and France) 15 years in Vietnam, defeated but never admitting it ;) "

Why would a Ukranian insurgency be any different then ? Ukraine military falls apart but the insurgents spring into action.

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The Phoenix's avatar

There is nothing wrong with slowly (not slow). It does come with downsides like what just happened but too fast and you risk getting into a situation that’s hard to get out of and invites more risk.

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GM's avatar
Jun 6Edited

There is a lot wrong.

It was existentially important for the war to be finished in a few weeks with the disappearance of Ukraine as an independent country, the absorption of the whole thing into Russia, and then the de-Ukrainization of the population.

That was the only way to prevent the West from entering the war, cut off escalation, eliminate the proxy, and solve the problem once and for all.

Putin instead once again tried to make a shitty ideal, that, predictably, just as all his other shitty deals, blew in his face. But he insisted on a shitty deal, and still insists on getting a shitty deal instead of victory. Why that is is a long topic, but suffice to say that not everything is as it seems in the Kremlin and there are a lot of compromised people there, with nobody not being under suspicion. Nobody. With Putin himself one of the people that there are very substantial known reasons to be extremely skeptical about his true loyalties.

Go back to 2022. OK, the initial bluff was called, the operation was not well planned, etc. Did not succeed. What did Putin do in April 2022? He sat on his hands. Meanwhile his army was shrinking while Ukraine was mobilizing and the weapons started flowing. So the balance of power in theater was rapidly shifting not in his favor. But he refused to mobilize. Not even partially.

Now imagine that he had mobilized fully in March 2022, while he had an overwhelming material and technological advantage, that he had stuck hard and taken out leadership, elimianted command and control centers, paralyzed infrastructure, etc. Then he could have gone in from Belarus and secured the western border, reached Moldova from the south and secured the Romanian border, and the rest would have been encircled and finished off.

Would that have been better than what we have now?

Back then Ukraine did not have millions of small drones, did not have tens of thousands of long-range kamikaze drones, did not have thousands of units of Western armor, did not have HIMARS, did not have Western aviation support, did not have ALCMs, did not have western ballistic missiles, etc. etc. etc. None of that.

But now it does.

Then when he mobilized, he only mobilized 300,000, which was only sufficient to stop the bleeding at the time, but not for any strategic operations. There has been no further mobilizations and only now, after years of attrition, is the manpower ratio starting to slowly turn in Russia's favor. But by now drones rule the battlefield, so fast advances are fundamentally out of the question.

What would have a 2-million men mobilization in late 2022 done in comparison? Combined, of course, with the kind of strikes that had to be carried out from the start and still have not been. Not this night either.

As a result of all that catastrophic indecisiveness it has only gotten harder and harder to defeat the AFU, and it will get even harder. The next step is nukes being situated in Ukraine, and then what? And that step was predictable and constantly predicted since 2014.

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Angostura's avatar

Consider this:

Ukraine would have been taken fast but at what Russian lives cost? And think further away from the territory of Ukraine: NATOstan would still have wet dreams about its military capabilities. Now nobody doubts that they have nothing left in the warehouse that might hurt Russia with.

Like in a street fight, you take a punch in the face that knock you down but as you fall you can only think about getting back up and punch back. You don't get to think that when your opponent have taken the chain that you threw at him (economic sanctions), wrapped it around your throat and slowly choke you to death while you have nothing left to counterattack with.

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GM's avatar

>Ukraine would have been taken fast but at what Russian lives cost?

1) About 20,000.

Right now the death tolls is at least 110,000 and counting.

2) The cost did not matter because it was always going to be less than the cost of not doing it. As we are observing in real time now.

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Angostura's avatar

You really sound like an armchair warrior,honestly. Please enlighten us with your ideas about occupying a nation and afterwards. Hint: take a look at the US achievements in Irak and Afghanistan! And those countries did not have full NATOstan military support.

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GM's avatar
Jun 6Edited

Hint: Iraq and Afghanistan are very different situations.

You are clearly one of the stupid Westerners who first heard about Ukraine in 2022 and thinks that Ukraine to Russia is like Vietnam/Algeria to France or something like that.

But it isn’t, it is a 90% Russian territory. Look at the videos from Lutsk today, what language are they speaking in those? In Lutsk...

Also, severely demographically depressed, i.e. it does not have any fuel for a sustained insurgency once the top layer of instigators have been eliminated.

Finally, what NATO support if the Russian military is in Uzhgorod??? That is the whole point of doing this quickly and decisively

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Dhdh's avatar

how do you get to 20K?

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GM's avatar

In the real timeline Russian casualties were below 10K in the first couple months.

The first step in a serious operation against Ukraine in 2022 would have been to completely cut off Ukraine from NATO.

The other immediate steps would have decapitation and the destruction of all key military objects, which was not remotely done to the extent it should have been in 2022.

That would have practically disarmed them immediately.

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Squeeth's avatar

Putin began playing for time about five minutes after taking office. Preparing for war accelerated after 2008 and a few muscles were flexed in Syria. A war like this was always going to be the result of the stabilisation of Russian sovereignty and the Russians did very well to wait until they were ready and fight it at a time and in a place where they couldn't lose.

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GM's avatar

>fight it at a time and in a place where they couldn't lose.

They are losing catastrophically right now

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dacoelec's avatar

You don't even qualify for the term, "Idiot".

You have zero proof of any of your stupid comments and your Putin hatred is beyond psychotic, so just go away, you ignorant troll.

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GM's avatar

Were Russian strategic nuclear forces directly attacked and were Russian cities bombed daily in 2021? No.

Is that happening today? Yes.

That is the net result of Putin's statesmanship.

Empirical facts.

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Squeeth's avatar

Bollocks

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Jeff's avatar

You remind me of Adolph in the bunker in 45 ordering around military units which no longer exist

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John Thomas's avatar

I am with you GM. Although we differ on the use of a nuke on Ukrainian soil, Russia has backed itself into a dangerous spot. The way it is, this will go on for many more years and the hits on Russia will only get to the point where this spins into a world wide catastrophe.

I always though that if Ukraine wanted to, it could advance west and take parts of Europe. The EU has created a monster that even in defeat will plague them for years with armed gangs, people smuggling, etc.; while also being a base for any intelligence agency wanting to test out something on Russia. Maybe Russia's best chance is to eliminate some top leaders in Ukraine till someone wants to deal.

Would an EMP over western Ukraine work?

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GM's avatar

The EMP effects are circular and do not respect borders, so it will have to be very precisely positioned to not destroy anything in Belarus.

It will also be pointless unless there is an operation planned to move in rapidly and occupy territory.

But the military has been begging Putin for another mobilization for 18 months, and he steadfastly refuses. Because big business in Russia doesn't want to hear about it, and ultimately Putin serves big business. And by the looks of it, he genuinely believes in that being the right thing.

Agreed on everything else.

Every night something is blowing up in Russia, and the volume of drones keeps increasing. This cannot continue. You can't be losing two factories a night to drone attacks in perpetuity without that being a problem. And you see how the attacks will no longer be localized to the immediately adjacent regions.

I see the Washington Post having an article on how the plan that was talked about already in late 2022 of using ships to launch drones at the Far East will be put into action soon. That is where the Sukhoi plants are, BTW. So you see where this is going.

It has to end ASAP, with the disappearance of Ukraine as a proxy. No deals.

And the only way is mobilization plus tactical nukes. Thanks to Putin.

It didn't have to be that way, had he done things properly in 2022.

Note that the use of nukes has a huge downside -- it will untie the hands of the Zio-American monster to also use nukes to take cares of its enemies. Not that there are that many left of them anyway, but Iran will be nuked, unless Iran has built nukes and ICBMs. Which they should have been building frantically. Yemen too. Etc.

But the point up to which this concern was overriding the importance of dealing quickly with Ukraine has long been passed, and definitely so on Sunday.

You pick the least worst of all available options...

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Gisela's avatar

If the political situation in Russia is so dire, why is the military not taking over?

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GM's avatar

Because the military remembers August 1991 and how instead of saving the country that triggered its final break up back then, and don't want to repeat that blunder.

Of course, the real blunder in 1991 was that the military had not already taken over in 1987...

And it's a similar situation now.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Because, if the military were to take over, they do not have the institutional presence to be able to actually run anything.

There is a reason that military coups rarely work out well.

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John Thomas's avatar

I would have thought Mobilization and a declaration of war would have already been done. Russia can't contract this SMO for a decade so at some point they will stop fighting or mobilize.

I feel Putin has been in power so long he feels he can stage manage this whole SMO. NATO should start telling Ukraine to attack the SSBN bases, more strategic radars, ICBM factories - I mean if your NATO and it looks like you have a free pass to attack Russia why not go for the triad?

Things have got to the point where Russia's response now has to be monumental to have any effect.

As for Iran, when they still yap about one day delivering their revenge for the latest Israeli attack I know they are just sitting ducks. I trust Iran's ability to shower Israel with ballistic missiles about the same as the legends of Hezbollah's mighty arsenal to do the same.

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GM's avatar

>NATO should start telling Ukraine to attack the SSBN bases, more strategic radars, ICBM factories - I mean if your NATO and it looks like you have a free pass to attack Russia why not go for the triad?

That is exactly what is coming.

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GM's avatar

>I trust Iran's ability to shower Israel with ballistic missiles about the same as the legends of Hezbollah's mighty arsenal to do the same.

Oh, Iran can do that. They do have tens of thousands of missiles, have no doubt about it.

And they demonstrated the capability in practice.

But they lack the guts to pull the trigger.

The Israelis don't, which is why they always win.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

All information we have supports your opinion.

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Bash's avatar

The scale of western assistance must be really something. Probably why putin keeps asking for it to stop

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Recall the good ol’ days with Lend Lease. The difference is that at that time the US and Britain had fully functional industries combined with undivided population. Today, the help to Ukraine is still major, it is able to float the UAF but the supplies are drying up. Putin has no choice but to seal the borders and stop the flow on his own.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Indeed. However, the "assistance" is ending up in the junk yard and is very expensive and time consuming to replace.

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Steghorn21's avatar

It's often hard to see through the fog of war and like many here, I do get frustrated at the slow pace of the campaign. It's irritating to hear military bloggers talking about "another village taken by the Russians!" when we all want this to be over with asap. However, the key aim of the SMO was demilitarisation. If the Russians had achieved a rapid victory in 2022, the massive Ukrainian army would have been left intact for the next time a Nudelman or Kagan felt like stirring things up. This is a long term project and it's for ALL the marbles. It has to be done properly and meticulously like Russia did in Chechnya, and without pushing the crazies in London and Berlin into unleashing a nuclear winter.

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Bash's avatar

The only wrinkle in that logic is that in January 2022, there was a lot LESS NATO on Russia's doorstep than there is today, and there was a much less hostile Ukraine as well. The nightmare scenario - of a neighbour who attacks into Russia across an indefensible border, who is defacto NATO - is now a reality.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Had Russia achieved victory in 2022, the peace terms presumably would have included demilitarization and handing over equipment, somewhat like Versailles.

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Steghorn21's avatar

I'm not so sure it would have worked out like that, Feral. The Russians would have kicked out Z but I doubt that the neocons would have just shrugged their shoulders and given up the ghost. And the very large Ukie military would still have been there, waiting to be made use of by the Nudelmans of this world.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Again, that's what treaty negotiations and puppet governments are for.

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Luke's avatar

One more thing, I hear windbags like Alex Jones talk about how NATO wants to a nuclear war. It sounds kind of foolish to me. Seems like if you really want a nuclear war then you would be wise to start it yourself. If I am going to war the last thing I am going to do is let the enemy nail me first.

It’s not just Jones saying this crap. Then again if they are truly suicidal then perhaps? The elites will become useless eaters themselves the moment that bunker door is sealed. The security team will run the show from that point forward I suspect.

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James B.'s avatar

NATO thought they'd long have beaten Russia by now, forcing her on her knees, simply by arming Ukraine with everything NATO's got. Surprisingly for them, it didn't quite play out.

Alex Jones simply rides on what's being said by 3rd-rank NATO shills, speaking what the top brass can't (short of really risking what they wish for). NATO now is at the point of total desperation, with no off-ramp. They know they're genuinely fūcked and they can't do nothing about it but keep public sham discussions going about 3 or 5 percent-of-GDP spending — to keep their voters lulled into the idea that more money will fix it. Captain Obvious knows it won't.

P.S.: Ain't the "security team" running the West's show anyways? Always has.

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eternalvigilance's avatar

Nukes are theater, I’m a little surprised Jones is buying into it that hard.

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Steghorn21's avatar

I hope you are right, EV. The neocons are losing in Ukraine and these aren't the sort of people to shrug their shoulders and walk away. They would rather burn down the whole world around them.

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Gisela's avatar

That's a Jewish mantra.

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grr's avatar

The Sampson Option.

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Gisela's avatar

Correct, only the Jews would actually come up with a name for total extinction.

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Steghorn21's avatar

The problem with that is that even if the nutters in Berlin, Paris and London don't want a nuclear war, their actions mean that this is exactly what they will get. I don't want to get cancer, but if I smoke and eat garbage, I will probably get it.

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D0gbert's avatar

Lol the amount of extra ERA 404 slaps onto their NAFOstani Wunderpanzers...

They really don't trust all that top-secret armour, do they?

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Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

They know much better than NAFOstanis. They have more experience with that "top-secret armour" because they've been using tanks with that kind of armour long before any NAFOstani knew what it is.

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Richard V's avatar

A lot of the provocative stuff is done not so much to damage the Russians, but to keep the arms flowing and the West stirred up with the possibility of victory. Believe the Russians know what needs to be done to achieve their long stated objectives and will proceed to do it in the most expeditious way possible that minimizes their losses. A big retaliatory strike only makes sense if it meshes with the grand plan. Believe guys like Vlad and Xi are not swayed by emotions. I think, like all humans, they certainly have them. It's just that they have trained themselves to proceed on the basis of careful calculation. And we can be grateful for that.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

This is a critical season for Russia. They have to speed up the process, time is against them as the West is feverishly working to speed up hardware production. They will also try to push Romania toward an active combatant status and there is increasing activity aiming to undermine the Orban government in Hungary. Russia has a year or maybe two year window to stabilize Ukraine.

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Giuseppe Corvo's avatar

Well, given the industrial malaise in the U.S. and Europe, not to mention Israel, do you think the West can match the production capabilities of Russia and China? Also consider that the West has spent considerable effort crippling its economies with DEI and climate change diversions, which I think add up to a distinct disadvantage. Not making assertions here, just questions to consider. This situation is really complex, perhaps too complex for people to completely understand.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

As far as navy boats manufacturing and general naval transportation is concerned I see the US is clearly sitting in a black hole. Trump is playing a plan that will take close to a decade to show substantial results IF it will be followed after him. The whole US industrial world was interrupted with off shoring and half the general population was replaced with people who are completely uninterested to learn the functions of the Western World. When the Golden Dome will melt under the weight of hypersonic missiles coming from titanium framed submarines in minutes, the US minorities will open their goldmines. All information says that the gap in GDP between the USA and China will increasingly favor China. Russia will not become America’s friend for at least five decades. America was made to miss a critical opportunity in the 1990s when Yeltsin was literally begging for food and friendship. Instead, a Swiss lady lawyer was sent to Moscow to tear down Yeltsin as his daughter foolishly engaged in serious corruption. The KGB had to chase the fine lawyer out of town with a death wish. The issue of East or West orientation was extensively and publicly discussed in Russia with zero censorship. The Western orientation easily won the argument. It takes time to build an Empire but the process can be also reversed. (Sorry for the bad news.)

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Squeeth's avatar

"half the general population was replaced with people who are completely uninterested to learn the functions of the Western World." Really? Half of 300 million or so were swapped for normal people?

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Dhdh's avatar

the "west" is being filled with non-white subhumans by the jew. let them go fight the jew wars...

https://michaelpeinovich.substack.com/p/how-israel-created-the-european-refugee

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Squeeth's avatar

Oh, you're haSSbara, bye.

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Dhdh's avatar

please think of a new response already jew.

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Steghorn21's avatar

The US is cock-a-hoop because it has just met its recruitment goals of 40k soldiers. That's what the Russians raise each MONTH. The Russian economy has its weaknesses, but it is based on natural resources and production of real things. The western economies are built on financialisation and hot air.

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James B.'s avatar

While I agree Russia is in a critical phase now, I have my doubts on your assessment of NATO. NATO hasn't really been demonstrating competence as of lately. Starmer and the Germans think more money will fix all combined structural and practical issues. With regard to the Germans, they're not really in a hurry to man their brand new forward base in Lithuania with the 5k troops they envision. Five thousand. Who do they wanna scare?

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Kennewick Man's avatar

5,000 or more German soldiers jammed into that small country smells more like a bait or liability than a victorious force.

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Feral Finster's avatar

They are bait.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

The german defense minister wants 60 thousand more soldiers and reinstall conscription.

In Germany we do not even have the facilities anymore to house those 60 thousands, we need to buy the uniforms from China or Bangladesh, the young people do not want a yelling sergeant but wifi and TikTok - I do not hold my breath with their dream of a new Wehrmacht soon.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Sleeping quarters for 60,000 soldiers? Piece of cake. All they have to do is to send home the unwanted population of the third world.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

You want to put the soldiers in containers or rotten bungalows that were once used to house children in summer camps? By the way, our new tanks are made pregnant friendly since our infamous U. v/d Leyen used to run the german Army before they send her to Brussels because the investigations about corruption where closing in on her.

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Gisela's avatar

Bin ich froh dass ich raus aus Deutschland bin. Komm einfach nach Kanada.

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Peter Joy's avatar

Absolutely not on the agenda, though, is it? That would be ‘unconstitutional’ and ‘Far Right’.

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Deplorable Commisar's avatar

I suggest conscripting the "migrants" since they're "German" now according to liberals.

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Steghorn21's avatar

NATO has more been demonstrating desperation. And that makes the situation very dangerous. As it stands, we are closer to nuclear war than at any time since 1962.

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Feral Finster's avatar

NATO is not desperate at all, but is betting that Russia doesn't have the stones to do anything.

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Frank Sailor's avatar

Since China pulled the 'rare earth' card, I doubt that 'the west' will be able to produce anything significantly, to start with.

Second; Ukraine is a symptom not the core problem.

The US is in need not to destabilize itself by pursuing one crazy step after the other (tariffs) in forcing their own population into desperation and looking down on the rest of the world with it's exceptionalism.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

‘Exceptionalism’ is really the key word! When I heard it coming out of the mouth of Obama I almost fell off the chair. The rare earth issue can be possibly solved but it will take many years. Literally a new industry has to be built up there. China and Russia will NOT give it to the US as long as there is the possibility of military engagement.

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abcdefg's avatar

Well said, Frank. And it's not just rare earths. China is the largest producer of steel and aluminium. Perhaps once the EU could have kept up, but now they're reliant on LNG from the US. Good luck floating that boat!

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John Galtsky's avatar

"They have to speed up the process, time is against them as the West is feverishly working to speed up hardware production." In reality, the West is feverishly working to speed up hardware production so that in ten years they will be able to produce in a year what Russia today is producing in a month.

At the same time, Western economies are declining more and more from their increasingly higher energy costs now that they can no longer use the Russian energy on which their economies depended.

Nope, time is on Russia's side, not the West's.

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occamsrazorback22's avatar

I (a US citizen) was in industrial sales for 27 years. Retired for 13 years now. I'm 73 y/o. When I look at the lives and careers of my mates, only two people I know well were involved in anything even close to manufacturing. Most of the people I know were social workers, lawyers, accountants, small business people, or what might be loosely called "handymen" or taught college. From year to year, when working, all I noted was the erosion, if not the disappearance, of industrial output. The city I live and worked in, while NOT a Detroit of 1950s stature, had a pretty solid reputation as a factory town with real industrial might. Poof! Now mostly gone. The failure and surrender of the USA reminds me of that scene in the Wizard of OZ when the man behind the curtain is shown to be a fraud, and the wicked witch of the west melted into a puddle. Oh well...time to move on.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Thanks for writing that. This is exactly the reality and rather few are able to face it.

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Dhdh's avatar

yes - hope it can become the new center of a white world.

just stop feeding africans...

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Gisela's avatar

But that is also the reason why Collective West terrorist attacks against Russia, later China, will increase and worsen in magnitude. The Russians need to build up their secret service to what it was during the Soviet era.

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Steghorn21's avatar

Yes and no. Time is against Putin in a sense that the Russian people are going to get mightily frustrated if things don't speed up soon. However, I'd say that time is even more of an issue for the globalists and neocons. Most of the Western leaders are living on borrowed time with very weak popular support and political capital. As for their famed, much trumpeted increases in military capabilities and production, that will take years, if it ever happens.

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NiggleS's avatar

Semi-agree on the time window, but the word is "annex" not "stabilize".

Active participation by Romania, just makes their military bases Geran targets, they don't have enough warm bodies to change the front line.

Europe really doesn't have the manufacturing tools (almost literally) to ramp up military production to anything meaningful, then it has the issue of where to obtain the raw materials cheap enough that it wouldn't be better to simply print wads of cash and hurl them at the Russians, hoping that they desert to live in luxury on the Volga.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

Do not underestimate the German capacity for industrial revolutions. They have a long record of doing those things.

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Gisela's avatar

But the mentality and the ambition of the population has changed. Young people want to start at the top and don't really have a clue what hard work is anymore.

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NiggleS's avatar

No industrial revolution is occurring in Germany until AfD has come to power, and the other political parties will fight that to the bitter end, by which time demographic change might render such revolution moot, as the German culture (at the heart of previous revolutions) simply ceases to exist except as quaint tourist attractions.

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The Phoenix's avatar

Good battlefield updates. Thanks.

I hope that when Putin talks to Trump he knows that if he doesn’t want something to end up on Truth Social he shouldn’t tell him.

(I know I am hard on Trump sometimes but “from those much is given much is expected”)

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