The original plan wasnt stupid - it could work if all participants swalloved their pride&dignity. The main problem is UK&EU that came with a sort of Russian unconditional surrender paper. I dont get it - why do they want to inherit a US secret war and continue the slaughter of Ukrainians?
If the 19 point plan is presented without any core demands from Russia it will be a dead in the water product.
None of the seemingly good for Russia things had any meaningful guarantees behind them, meanwhile Russia was asked to save the enemy from collapse, give away two regional capitals (which Putin does not have the right to do -- he commits grand treason by even engaging in such talks, no ifs, buts or questions about it), and establish a DMZ inside its own territory.
And then the concessions begin on that position...
I know what you mean, GM. Did you read my original ”defense” of the plan?
In a context where we wish peace of some sort it wasnt that bad. Of course no eternal peace with it. But then Russia cant sit still and poke some villages in Ukraine.
1) Putin agrees to capitulate, does not get couped, Russia is finished. It will take a while, but its fate will be sealed from here on. Just as Syria's fate was in retrospect sealed in 2014-16 when Putin took away its deterrent then forced it to sign Astana. There were another eight years of agony, but the eventual outcome was determined at that point
2) Putin agrees to capitulation, then gets couped. That quite likely means a civil war in Russia, because most of the governors are loyal Putinists and may not back the coup. Then the West does a 1918. Those forces being amassed in Finland and the Baltics are not to do a June 22 1941, but to take advantage of such a situation. Back in 1918 what saved Russia was strategic depth -- the West could not get deep into Russia territory before it got bogged down, the Red Army organized itself, and push them back. Not fully -- Finland, the Baltics and Poland were lost, the repercussions of which are felt to this day -- but still, most of the country was saved. Today there is strategic air lift and good logistics so that factor is not there in Russia's favor. Russia might gather itself somehow, but most likely it is finished in such a scenario too, unless the coup is quick and completely successful.
3) Putin does not agree to capitulation and carries on. But then why engage in this shitshow at all, why have obvious traitors in so many key positions, etc. etc. etc.?
Why engage in the shitshow? To play for time. The Stavka is stringing Trump and the West along, dangling the irresistible carrot of Minsk III before their noses. There will be no Minsk III, but oh, the sweet scent of that carrot!
But while the West is stretching to reach the carrot, they cannot engage in overt escalation---like putting an expeditionary force in Odessa, or invading Transnistria, or attacking with Tomahawks, or interdicting the shadow fleet. Their hands are tied by the peace process, because they seem to be just on the verge of making a dupe of Russia again.
And meanwhile the army advances, and the front crumbles, and the situation becomes more and more favorable to Russia. While Putin smiles like Mona Lisa, compliments Trump, and says that the peace plan is almost, but not quite acceptable. . .
And BTW, Kirill Dimitriev is no traitor. He has been assigned a role to play, that of the good cop. He is an almost exact counterpart of Witkoff, who is Trump's good cop, and every inch as insincere.
"Russia was meant to be the idiot in this plan" That IS the carrot. The hope that Russia will allow itself to be bamboozled again.
And the ATACMS are nothing new; they are being used again because Ukraine is running out of everything else, but the price exacted for the latest attack was steep enough that they (the US, not the dills) will think twice before doing that again.
Be reasonable. Do you think the Stavka and the FSB would allow Dmitriev the credentials to represent Russia to the US if there was the slightest doubt about his allegiance? Yes, he comes across as eager for compromise. That's how he is supposed to act, if you think he is a weak link then he is doing his job well. He was chosen for this role because of his extensive American background and ability to tempt Trump with business deal prospects.
Generally agree but there were some strange things (if the version published by the Rada MP is to be believed) in it, including the concept that Ukraine should not send missiles on Moscow or St Pete "without cause". Does not get much weirder than that as far as international treaties go.
Weird, yes. But as Trump said; the 28-point wasnt a plan it was a map (with wishes). Ukraine changed the document and leaked it, probably to arouse the Europeans. Europeans answered with their own plan which should have rendered them a full Nuke response from Moscow. Just kidding - dont want anymore people to die.
I found the clause that stipulated Russia would pay rent for the liberated areas of the Donbas particularly hilarious, and even more so, that the compilers even thought it was a goer. As in; "Good idea, let's put that in the middle where they might not notice"
That was laughable, you recapture a territory which was foolishly gifted to these maniacs in the first place based on the principle of remaining neutral from any military alliance, and they now demand the victor (Hard won) to pay rent. On what planet does that logic make sense? It’s completely detached from reality.
Most leading European politicians are detached from reality.
I think it's because they've always focused on what their newspapers are saying, and Western European newspapers long since cast journalistic integrity to the winds: they just relay the crudest propaganda. The pols then believe it, and feed it back to the MSM in a self-reinforcing feedback loop of lies.
"The main problem is UK&EU... I dont get it - why do they want to inherit a US secret war and continue the slaughter of Ukrainians?"
According to Amerikanets, it's because the EU elite is now betting on the defense industry for economic recovery and growth. Therefore, the war better continues. Peace is bad for this particular business.
The political leadership of Europe achieved their positions because of money from the Anglo-American Oligarchy. Their purpose is to extract as much wealth as possible from whatever entity. Let me call it "Grand Imperialism". You have to understand mercantilism and colonialism and "empire" to get the point I'm probably unsuccessfully making.
But, yeah, " Peace bad for business"
To try to be more clear: there are no "EU elites". They are all there because of the money supplied by the Anglo-American Oligarchy.
Hey Europe. "You've been had!"
If you want to understand the point, 3 hours of Richard Wolff might provide a hint.
Yes the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/Organized Crime" framework or structure has a lot of names that we all recognize as being Jews (like Zuckerberg and the list below) who seem to have undue influence on American Politics and the economy, they are just the "rocks" that show above the surface of the pond.
And it is also true that when talking about "Organized Crime" that the "Jewish Mob" plays an outsized role (much, much more than the Italians)...
And it is also true that GHWBs "crazies from the basement of the Pentagon" (Wolfowitz) were mostly Jews and that his opposition to them directly lead to Clinton's election and Monica's Mossad operation....
And, the Oligarchy perpetrated a "limited hangout" operation to discredit the CIA so that covert operations would be contracted out to Mossad and the (believe it or not) Sands Casino (does the name Adelson ring in your head)....
There are many, many Jews who oppose this criminal element.
The reason you know many of these names is because the "Boston Brahmin" segment of the Oligarchy (which includes Bush) pushes them out to get you to concentrate on "the Juuz" rather than their Anglo-Saxon criminality.
If somehow, "the Juuz" were eliminated, the "Puritans" would still be there causing the next recession to steal the wealth created by labor; pushing the next NED sponsored "color revolution" in some nation you've never heard of; sabotaging the economic infrastructure of those nations; and bribing "Nobel Peace Prize" winners to "coup" the elected leader of nations with resources to plunder.
You are right to be angry. But damn man, figure out who your enemy is. Don't fall into the "Juuz" trap because that will change NOTHING.
And I take offense at your saying "to get the point I'm probably unsuccessfully making." As if I am a moron. If you think that I am a fool who understands nothing, don't waste your time on me.
A friend of mine had a joke that went "People don't realize it, but Shakespeare is full of clichés," which I thought was pretty funny. He had another that was even funnier: "I hate pedantic teachers."
Save them from what? Losing their political posts and being replaced with the next stooge? That's part of the job. In the meantime they have been getting fat with taxpayers money right along with the MIC.
Agree. But when immigrants doesnt get their cash flow without working, when middle-class sees their jobs done by AI, when youths realize they were screwed by the 1%-ers…
No, you can always hire one half of the working class to kill the other half. Unless and until the police and army stop following orders, the rulers can sleep soundly in their beds. There is no sign that the security forces are anywhere near the breaking point.
Romantic fantasies aside, revolutions do not happen when the elites are united, as they have the levers of power and are ruthless enough to use them. Revolutions happen when the elites are disunited and elite factions start casting about for allies.
European financial markets (you know, the parasitic ones that don't help us finding affordable food or energy etc etc) have been rising for the past years, mainly because of the profitable investments in the Military-Industrial-Governmental-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think-Tank/MIGIMATT complex.
Government & Intelligence = treasonous slavery to banking cartel
Media-Academia-Think-Tank = their who-ring and presstituting have reached a critical point when the populace is not interested anymore in their opinions
Your idea about the media reaching a critical point is worth exploring. You can already see the eyes of certain designated "experts" shifting from the camera as they repeat the lies on the evening news. The lies need to be singled out and pinned to the wall.
Case in point: In a recent story that mentioned Mariupol, ARTE TV news in France mentioned in passing that 50,000 civilians were killed by the Russians during the fighting in that city. The Wikipedia article on Mariupol - which, as is true of much of what one finds on Wikipedia, shows a strong pro-NATO and anti-Russian bias - cites a figure of between 1,348 (source UN) and 25,000 (source Ukrainian government) civilian deaths. So ARTE's editorial department takes the figure given by the Ukrainian authorities, doubles it, and refers to it as fact, not even mentioning a source for the figure and not even mentioning the UN's figure or any other alternative.
Examples of this kind of wartime "journalism" are to be found everywhere in the mainstream media every day. In fact this is not journalism at all, but the creation and maintenance of a narrative. We participate in maintaining that narrative through our passive acceptance. That is why such misinformation must be challenged.
They don't have the money, they don't even have the capacity to carry the adicional debt. They don't have the energy for a large increase in heavy industry. They have no policies that will invert that situation.
War is serious business, it takes planning, logistics and a lot of materiel that are not even a dream today. Contrast with WWI, every participant was ready for what they claimed would be a short war. Europe today is barely prepared to move the troops out of the barracks!
By the way, I've heard similar quotes from French sources 😉 Make note the French didn't send anything from their active units, while the British and the Poles are out of SPGs. 🧐🤔
When you say "they" I get the impression you are confusing the hapless euro populace with the puppet elites who herd them. These two groups do not have the same goals.
The main reason is that a Russian victory would ridicule the European globalists. It would not in the least imperil the European security, as goes the grotesque doctrine, but it surely would be devastating for Macron, Starmer, Merz and the rest of the band.
Firstly, if these elites were afraid of ridicule, they would already have been driven to suicide.
Secondly, define "devastating". Do you mean that they would lose their temporary posts, be replaced by a new tranche of stooges, and retire as billionaires to Epstein Island 2.0?
It's a smokescreen to cover the undeclared ongoing escalations. A US ATACMs crew reportedly launched 4 missiles at Voronezh 18 November. The US is not only at war with Russia, the escalations continue:
Furthermore a Borzzikman video reported 3 days ago:
"Russia managed to discover the exact launch site of the American ballistic missiles. Russia even showed a video of the destruction of American missile systems in the area of the settlement of 'Volosskaya Balakleya' in the Kharkiv region. In total, as a result of this Russian missile attack, two units of M270 MLRS and one escort vehicle were destroyed. In addition, the Russian Defense Ministry also confirmed the deaths of four US Army officers and 6 Ukrainian soldiers of the elite special forces unit 'KORD', who were guarding expensive American missile systems."
The man who bombed Iran (which even W. Bush and Obama refused to do), aided and abetted genocide in Gaza, and is on a piratical extrajudicial killing spree in the Caribbean would like us to think he is a peacemaker. Nobel Peace prize coming up!
Funny if its true…the part with four US Army officers. Hard to believe they were there in a role as official US Army. More likely as volontiers/mercenaries.
I have found it to be sometimes true. Where are you getting verification of constant claims of SAS casualties, and arrests etc? Isn't it odd that you don't read this "news" anywhere else? And the AI voiceover also appears in many ads for garden strimmers etc.
I prefer the real life stuff like Murat San. Borzzikman reminds me of the Telegraph. Which also has some verifiable news and lots of nonsense
You might be right. But it must also be considered that SAS casualties and other "illegal" assignments to the theatre of war are rarely advertised given the possible consequences, esp at home.
As for garden strimmers, perhaps Borzzikman has to bring in supplemental income? 😉
Sure. No doubt NATO people die every day. Like the HIMARS folks mentioned above. But that story is all over, with footage of the missiles being fired and hitting their targets. Though we can only speculate the nationality of those killed since Ukranians will be doing the most dangerous part of the process, like driving the launchers around. It's highly unlikely there are US personnel lingering once the missiles have been fired. In fact it may be ukranians firing the system once the Americans have set it up for them with the special forces long gone. These stories are rarely backed up with any evidence, and channels like Borzzikman are just churning out speculation as fact.
I do watch videos from the Borzzikman channel, but everything they claim is never supported/corroborated by any of the many pro-Russian Telegram channels that I also follow. My question is Borzzikman a reliable source? Two days ago it claimed INSANE Slaughter on the Romanian Border: Russia Brutally Attacked UK, French, and Romanian Soldiers. I can't find anything confirming this.
It is purely Russian propaganda for the simple minded, the equivalent of the Ghost of Kiev story, the Russian washing machines chips abd fighting with shovels, etc.
The difference is no self respecting Russian official says things like this, whereas in the West there is no sense of ridicule while lying.
Like all other sources (RF MOD included) YT videos are to be taken with a measure of salt. However, more than once that source has published something unusual, only to be later confirmed by other sources. I will never forget the widespread hostility directed at TG channels which were (correctly) reporting NK soldiers fighting in Kursk... Only to be confirmed months later by the RF MOD.
I guess we'll have to suffer through another flurry of dhhd (or whatever) accusations against all Jews. I confess, I grow weary of trying to defend ... sad to say, I'm not even sure who (or what) it is I'm trying to defend. Sorry Max. Sorry Norman. Let me "pull a Trump": this (Bibi) is your problem. [Yes, I know, your only option will make you "just like him". William Munny/Clint Eastwood. -- kind of weird that I expect everyone to know about "Unforgiven" when Quora is full of posts about how "Little Bill" (Gene Hackman) starved to death in his own home.]
I recall an old saying from the '60s "Kill them all and let God sort it out."
Not a solution, of course. Just an expression of the frustration.
"I'm wilting".
Elena, the "Deep State" wants to move on. China is the threat now.
Fickle.
Here I am, reminiscing again. about "false hearted lovers". The song was quite popular on KRFO.
No, this post isn't suppose to make sense. It is a summary of 100 years of history. Since when does history make sense?
You make the same gross mistake Mearsheimer does. China is not run by the same kind of people who make up the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/Jewish Mob".
"Trust but verify" comes to mind.
I may be naive, but I believe BRICS is becoming what the UN was suppose to be.
That is a Anglo-American propaganda justification for the Opium Wars against China designed to politically muddy the waters and downplay the crimes of the Anglos.
But then again, that is what Anglo Americans specialize in, as Mr. Putin accurately called them the Empire of Lies.
The original quote was "kill them all, God will know his own". The RC church is still trying to live that order down/deny papal legate Arnaud Amalric really said that during the crusade against the Cathars.
"When asked how to distinguish between Cathar heretics and Catholics in the city, Amalric supposedly gave this command, which led to the massacre of the city's entire population."
It is pretty clear that Russia and China are on a totally different course.
China has the largest economy in the world (PPP). Russia has won in Ukraine. The "rest of the world" is choosing between BRICS and subservience to the "Empire".
The "Empire" is now in decline. It is still very dangerous and it will still have successes (if you call Syria a "success", but that's the "Anglo-American Oligarchy" for ya).
But I believe China and Russia see that they are both better off with one another than fighting with one another. They have a common enemy in the USA which is destroying itself and its allies. China has shown the value of patience. Taiwan is going to rejoin the mainland on its own as Hong Kong did. Russia has finally realized that it has an amazing culture and it no longer needs validation from a disintegrating Europe.
Russia is an autarky. 11 time zones provides a lot of self-sufficiency.
China needs Russian (and Iranian) gas.
There are many who are predicting Israel's demise.
Africa is freeing itself from Western Imperialism. China profits from cooperation rather than domination.
When you say "the West is sunk", have you considered that Americans may not appreciate being turned into neo-serfs? I only hope not. I fear they have no clue.
I see BRICS creating a bi-polar world.
I have no clue what the US will become. Were the stories of a Mexican coup "real"? I guess we'll have to see what happens with Venezuela.
Ukraine, EU, NATO, are puppets and USA is the puppeter. It is a play for public opinions. It shapes a narrative that can be used afterward in order to justify policies and wars. Point is that all the plan since "Orange revolution" until late 2021 in order to trap and break Russia, has not worked, so puppeter is lost, and tries to reshape policy and narrative.
Partly right. But I don't think "USA" is the puppeteer; it's the neocons in Washington. As for who pulls their strings ... it sure isn't the American electorate.
You are right to get AntonioB to narrow down the evil force to just the "neocons" but even you need to realize that "neocons" is a label that doesn't actually cover the "puppeteer".
I keep saying "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/ Jewish Mob" because there is no one label that can be used to describe the "men pulling the strings".
Think of the "5 families" in the movie "The Godfather" and then realize that we're just talking about one small segment of a much larger structure.
When you think you understand what's happening, realize you've just scratched the surface.
Step back and look at the "big picture". While Ukraine dominates the headlines, what is Trump doing to the US economy? Is the AI bubble going to burst this week or next month?
Think about how long Vietnam went on and on and on. Or the 20 years of Afghanistan. How often did those wars come to your attention? How many recessions happened. Who attained power and control of "The Empire".
The 28 point plan is nothing but a distraction to get us to think about something other than the evil of Capitalism.
Do understand that I don't want to write an entire book in this small space so I'm leaving out a lot.
The europeans know exactly what they are doing. They are watering down the peace plan to make sure it is unacceptable, then they will whine to Trump that Russia doesn't want to negotiate.
At the same time, Ukraine needs a big shot in the arm. Trump can either escalate, or he'll be the one to "lose Ukraine."
It's an obvious trap, and moron Trump is waltzing right into it.
Because Russia seeks not to end the West, but to be allowed to join it.
This is why they fall for the okey doke, over and over. They cannot admit to themselves that they are hated and feared, that they will forever be barred from The Club.
Crikey, I shouldn't answer but I have to. Cheese isn't a good rat bait. Peanut butter is much better. I know this from "first" hand experience. Bushy-tailed wood rats. All of them must be killed.
Of course peanut butter IS superior to cheese as effective bait, if for no other reason than what madman would waste precious cheese, the actual nectar of the gods, on a dirty rat! Having said that, I will share a little innovation I discovered around rat #46: stab a shard of purple onion firmly into the pile of peanut butter in the trap so it is sticking straight out. The addition of the purple onion 'shard' not only adds a scent they can detect from much farther than peanut butter, it encourages the rat to tug on the shard, in the peanut butter, and activate its own Stairway to Heaven at an almost 90% success rate. (sometimes they can lick the peanut butter off, assumedly unaware of the instant death they are courting by doing so - a rats gotta eat!)
FYI, you are talking to an accomplished and victorious rat eliminator here, the veteran of a Thousand Ratty Wars. I happen to manage a giant pile of an antique building that has more holes than swiss cheese and the crypts below the building are a veritable "Interview with a Vampire-set". I know my rats and am committed to their destruction, much like The Highlander assures that There Can Be Only One!
And yes, no cutsy 'pet' nonsense here - ALL rats must die.
How are we to be sure it is indeed pointless, and why is the Kremlin even engaging to such an extent?
Imagine you are a Russian soldier on the frontlines, how do you feel about this situation? Knowing that those same bastards put you in danger in the first place by:
1) doing Minsk-1 when the AFU was collapsing
2) doing Minsk-2 when the AFU was collapsing
3) doing Istanbul in 2022 where they even offered to give Crimea away, and pulled out without a fight from huge swaths of territory that has still not been recovered, and will only ever be recovered at a tremendous cost.
4) Refused to mobilize, missing the crucial window of opportunity to solve this problem before it became much bigger.
5) Have stubbornly refused to make it easy for you by taking out the key objects that would deprive the Ukronazis of the ability to continue to fight
So much has been given away previously without any struggle, and that resulted in so much harm to Russia, how is anyone to be sure it won't be done again?
Now if there were clear and unambiguous statements from the Kremlin that "Ukraine is ours, everybody back the fuck off or else" and "there is nothing to negotiate", it would be different. But the statements are the exact opposite of clear and unambiguous and most definitely do not feature those messages.
Why demoralize your own army and people like that? The stench of dogovornyak in the air is very heavy right now.
Hello , I fully agree with your take. There is doubt in my opinion. I may add : the role and capability of Dmitriev - some bad decision-making there from the Kremlin. There have been many mistakes, though it may turn out ok in the end for Russia. I wrote about it here:
Remember that Putin came from the KGB, was the FSB director, and has had some of the most extensive intel resources on the planets at his disposal for a quarter of century after that.
There is no conceivable possibility someone like that was genuinely naive about what was going on.
So the explanations for the decisions made have to be found elsewhere. And there it gets really sinister and dark
Ok, possible, but then first read my article, and then propose some other explanations. I keep my position : because of Russian naivety and misunderstanding of the West's nefarious intentions, Russia, and in particular Putin, didn't react for all these years, despite NATO being in Ukraine since the 1990s, despite 2004 Orange revolution, despite 20213-2014 Maidan.
They got so fooled and were naive, there is really no escaping that imo. Even Putin say that he was naive. What more do you want?
If you think there has been for 25 years some grand Russian strategy going on in the shadows then pray to tell me, but otherwise I will keep believing that Russia could have avoided this whole war by being more firm, not only in 2014 but even earlier, just after Bucarest 2008 meeting / 2008 Georgia war (this is not something I bring up in my article, but I could).
>Even Putin say that he was naive. What more do you want?
Of course he is going to say he was naive. Do you expect him to tell you that Russian policy is set by oligarchs and other shadowy figures that spend most of their time in Tel Aviv and he just does what he is being told?
>If you think there has been for 25 years some grand Russian strategy going on in the shadows then pray to tell me
No, there hasn't been any grand strategy with Russian state interests in mind, that is the problem. The key objectives of Putinism have been to make sure the communists don't take power back, the Yeltsinite system remains in place, the oligarchs collect their cut on the proceeds from the sale of Russian resources to the West, and nothing bad happens to Israel. The last one being the most important item.
Everything else, including the very existence of the country (which is currently in doubt while Putin does nothing to defend it) is subordinated.
I see, so that is how you think. I don't agree, and I think there would be many more signs of this and I leaks, testimonies, etc, if it were true. But interesting take anyway. It would also mean 80% of the Russian population was being hoodwinked...
"Imagine you are a Russian soldier on the frontlines, how do you feel about this situation? Knowing that those same bastards put you in danger in the first place by:
1) doing Minsk-1 when the AFU was collapsing
2) doing Minsk-2 when the AFU was collapsing"
Imagine you're a strategist who knows your country isn't yet ready to win a proxy war against NATO; you need time to recover from the ruins of the USSR. Of course, you could never have imagined this...
1) Because NATO would have attacked Russia directly in 2014 if it had taken over the whole of Ukraine? Just like it attacked it because it annexed Crimea?
2) How much more difficult would that was back in 2014 have been given that the L/DNR rebells with only a little bit of help from Russian army units, much of it not even authorized by the Kremlin, were crushing the AFU, to the point that the Kremlin had to intervene twice to bail the Ukronazis out (dooming Mariupol and many other cities to destruction later on)?
3) Whose job was it to have prepared Russia for war? by 2014? It had only been known that it is coming since what?
-- 1994 when the initial intention for NATO expansion was announced?
-- 1997 when the first expansion was announced offically?
-- 1999 when Yugoslavia was destroyed and Primakov turned that plane around?
And who had been in power for only 15 years by that point?
Just say it dude. You hate the current Russian leadership as much as the EU/banderites do. In your eyes everything the current Russian leadership does from the military all the way to the political sphere is a failure.
You are just an arm chair analyst like most of us but at least most do not go the the extreme as calling the current Russian leadership incompetent traitors and outright ignore the sheer incompetence of the western political and military leadership.
Honestly, when I am watching a mapping video, as soon as the political reporting nonsense starts, I close the video. It is not even worth the time it takes to watch, listen, or read about it. Nothing matters but correlation of forces and means and facts on the ground. The rest is worse than AI slop.
Very telling btw, that Zelensky is willing to give Putin and other supposed “war criminals” an amnesty, as long as it also means that nobody will be able to arrest anyone for all the billions stolen in Ukraine.
Everybody calls the Banderites "nazis," but nobody ever seems to mention that Hitler had the gentleman imprisoned in Sachsenhausen for most of the war, because he was completely opposed to Ukrainian nationalism.
Stepan collaborated with NS Germany not because he had any special liking for the Germanic cause, but because he wanted to use German military supremacy in Ukraine at the time as a cloak for his own ambitions, which were to eradicate Polish and jewish influence in the nation.
Bandera was held in the Club Fed side of the prison. When he was released he was restricted to the confines of Berlin until them there Soviets got too close and he fled to Munich and worked for MI6 until he slipped and fell and cracked his skell and now resides in hell.
Slaughtering unarmed Jews and Polish farmers is a bit different than fighting an army I guess.
Western Ukrainians fought on the side of Germany in WW1 and WW2. This is nothing new. In fact this IS the whole neocon/Eurocrat plan. Exploit the split and push Russia into a war it can't win. The OSS (CIA) began a relationship with the nazi types before WW2 ended. The CIA used the UNA/UNSO as weapons smugglers and even engaged in guerrilla warfare tactics themselves during the First Chechen War. This is at the same time we were "friendly" with Russia and "helping" Yeltsin run the Russian economy. Putin in discussing Western duplicity said this was one of the most shocking things he learned about CIA interference in Russia. The hope was Russia would lose and become desperate. They would force Russia to stop trade with China and maintain global hegemony. Russia and China know the plan. The Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi told the idiot Kaja Kallas that they wouldn't let Russia lose the war because they would be next. So it isn't going to work. The only question is what is next. It isn't over yet. They will try everything else before admitting defeat. Hell they spent over 20 years in Afghanistan and have been in Iraq even longer. Weaken Iran, stir up trouble in Caucuses, get a foothold in central Asia, try and pry India away from Russia and BRICS, disrupt energy trade flows (Venezuela). We have a messy future in front of us and Trump isn't real. The neocons are still firmly in charge of US foreign policy.
The Banderites are called 'Nazis' because they like to wear items of Nazi German regalia, fondly recall when Ukrainians fought as German collaborators, and serve under unit emblems which borrow from Nazi symbology such as the wolf's hook and black sun. I don't think anyone is under any illusions that they do this because they worship Hitler or Germany, and there is considerable evidence to suggest they regard modern-day Germany as just another gaping purse to plunder. I expect the driving reason for the Hitler tats and the swastikas and the SS emblems is because they know it makes the Russians crazy with fury and loathing, and they enjoy not only being protected by the west in their indulgences, but watching western countries pretend that wearing an SS Grenadier unit's insignia is a free-speech issue, and refusing to condemn the behaviour.
It's not bizarre at all. Trump is simply weak, stupid and easily manipulated.
He agrees with whatever the last person to talk to him about a given issue said. The europeans have figured this out and rush to meet with him immediately after he makes any noises in the direction of peace.
You have never witnessed much less than the history of the United States a man that has accomplished so much in such a little time and much more. It’s going to happen him and Putin figured this out. They’ve already mentioned what they have agreed to in Alaska and that’s the way it’s gonna go down.
Europe is not our friend of any sort they align more with the Biden administration on every topic
Politically he’s schooling them you don’t know what’s going on
He may be morally repulsive, he may be a moron - a figure one just cannot like once he learns who he really is, but he is not stupid
I refuse imprecise terminology,
One, anyone is free not to like Trump, for whatever reason. Trump is rich and powerful, and President of the US is after the Chinese leader the second mightiest person in the world, so accepting dislike is part of the job
Two, whoever thinks he knows enough to judge Trump, negatively, on some moral criteria is free to do so, if he uses the same criteria on himself
Three, on the basis of capability, intelligence, there is no question, absolutely no question, that Tump is intelligent
As Americans like to say, if you are so smart, why aren't you rich, or president of the US
People who personally know him, and have fallen out of favor with him, say all kind of bad things about Trump.
Einstein could not have become president, as he was not a born US citizen. And Einstein had chosen another path in life, and was successful.
Trump wanted to be rich, to remain rich, and he was successful.
Regarding intelligence, I doubt an unintelligent person could have won presidential elections, against formidable odds, and twice.
Not as a son of a former president, not as a former vice president, but as a former Democrat fighting first against Republican party establishment, and than against Democratic candidate and party. And against deep state, second time.
A genius in intelligence, probably not, but above average, definitely.
In business, above average, too.
Do not underestimate Trump, understand he, unlike Xi, is a man who knows he cannot openly be wiser, more intelligent than his audience, both the public as well as deep state. Europeans and most of the others, live in a hierarchical world, top knows more then the bottom, leaders who know lead masses who do not, America is different. Market, free press, democracy will determine who really knows. And there is no king in America because no one can singlehandedly outperform the market.
Those rare individuals that sometimes do corner some parts of the market, by their genius in some aspect of technology, end up on top, leading,
those who achieve success on market, investing, like Buffet or Dalio are epitomes of the common sense, always ready to accept new information, and never preaching as if they knew everything.
Final verdict, Trump understands more than he is showing, it is just American way.
Trum is definitely genius in sensing the pulse of the nation, (at least a half, but I think it is slightly above majority), and communicating with the nation through current media.
Russian political elites finally ran out of patience. This winter the pressure on Ukraine to negotiate a serious treaty coming from the stepped up Russian assault, destroyed infrastructure and the increasingly impatient Trump administration will be too much to resist.
I fear a coup by Ukrainian hardline nationalists, a possible assassination of Zelenskyy and a chaotic situation where it is no longer clear who exactly is in charge of what remains of Ukraine.
What a mess. Such a tragedy that could have been so easily avoided.
What did the failed killing of Alexander Dugin, but the actual killing of Darina Dugin do for the Ukrainian cause?
There are no key players in this game that will move the situation to Moscow's advantage by killing them. Where are the Julius Caesars or Napoleons here?
Zelensky isn't a key thinker, philosopher, leader or commander, he's an actor in a drama, playing the role of a leader. Kill him instead of letting him slide into disgrace and ruin with the rest of his rotten cabal, the show will go on but he gets to leave the stage like a Julius Caesar.
BTW. I don't think that Stephan Bandera was assassinated. The whole story behind that is absurd. BUT, by spinning the story of a perfectly normal heart attack into a KGB super-secret cyanide gun assassination, his team turned a dirty murderer into a national hero.
I've always thought that Zelensky was the single more important person outside of Russians in leading to Russian success. Strong and influential enough to get small amounts of NATO arms and mercenaries and support at a time, so that Russia could easily kill the little pieces as they get to the front lines, stupid and stubborn enough to get Ukrainians to "fight till they die" rather than organized retreats for stronger defenses a bit further west.
He fell for the Kursk Offensive, where he threw away his best units and best equipment. 2 weeks after the Kursk Offensive started is when Russia started substantially increasing how fast they took Ukrainian territory.
If Russians were to involve them selves in Ukrainian internal politics, it would be to keep Zelensky in power. On a practical note, imho, the best distance for Russia to be from Ukrainian power struggles is as far away as possible.
Elena, I too agree that a Civil War would help Russia, and maybe, in the long run, the surviving Ukrainians. They certainly have many just causes, including: $billions in corruption and Capital flight, the Press Ganging of any male with a pulse etc. Question is "by whom" ? With Budanov's thugs and perhaps 200k Azov types safely ensconced in the rear, I guess any signs of an insurrection would be brutally quashed at the first signs. The only possibility imho is the revolt by the massed, armed troops at the front, doing an abrupt about turn. But, as I mentioned above, they would be opposed by the better armed Nazis unless Russia came to their aid.
a civil war would bring death and suffering to the innocent.
The "Budanov's thugs and 200k Azov types" exist on western money infusions. They are the bought hands.
Unfortunately, the mega-thieves like Zelinsky, Kolomojsky, Melnick, Yermak, Reznikov, et al. will use their money to protect their wealth in Ukraine by forming and funding bands of armed thugs there.
However, who knows, perhaps the mega-thieves would prefer to flee hastily abroad when the Russian Army approaches Kiev and Lvov or even sooner.
Why "fear a coup by Ukrainian hardline nationalists, a possible assassination of Zelenskyy"? that would be a great development. I do hope a coup begins ASAP and they all kill each other in the process. Less work for the Russian army to do. No Nazi = No Problem.
As for the Trump's "piss plan" -- either he is a total idiot or he is surrounded by total imbeciles (or most likely both!), but to give birth to yet another drivel like those 28 points and believe the "dumb russkies" will be stupid enough to seriously consider it.... Wow! And I thought only Zelenski and his European buddies were on cocaine?!
A coup would solve the deadlock as good as an Oreshnik right on Bankova.
It is a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia. So many dead, so much destroyed and so much money used up for nothing other than make MIC fat.
People in City of London, or rather the Islands they occupy in Bahamas, on the other hand sees their account swell with billions. Same for US and China.
I do not understand after 4 years so many in the west are still clueless. There is not a single person in Ukraine, Nazi or otherwise who actually give a shit about Ukraine without the U.S. pumping billions upon billions into every sector of this totally corrupt former Soviet Republic. Even the famous Nazi's will disperse throughout Europe and the US IF the billions stop coming. The Oligarchs have raped whatever was left of Ukraine's resources. Since 2014 the US is responsible for everything in Ukraine. Since the US took over Ukraine sovereignty, Ukraine has been the worst economy in Europe, the worst in demographics, and on and on.
"I do not understand after 4 years so many in the west are still clueless."
Read the pap pumped out by the MSM and you will understand. Remember that even a lot of fairly intelligent people still rely on The Economist and the Financial Times for their news and "analysis".
The Jew does not care how many goyim die. I am sick of you retard who use Nazi because you are so brainwashed by the Jew you can’t even see the obvious.
I think you are mistaken. There are quite some who committed fully to the notion of Ukrainian supremacy. These are the people who were killing Ukrainians for not being enough nationalistic in Poland between main world wars of 20. century. The hatred is real and it will not cease when the money flow is gone. How big chunk of the population has this hatred incorporated into their soul and body I do not know. The fact however is there are plenty of them that are like this.
If Zelensky is assassinated, he won’t be able to put in an emotional cameo appearance in the Hollywood version. And poor Sean Penn—the hands down favorite to star in the role of the New Winston Churchill—will be left standing all alone as the curtain rings down on Project Ukraine.
You fear a coup? But wouldn't that simplify and clarify everything? This disgusting and minimally attended cult of Elensky as "One Man [who] Can Change The World" wouldn't have to admit that their hero was a scumbag; he would graduate to martyrdom, and his replacements could hardly expect to inherit songs from Five For Fighting and syrupy paeans from Hugh Hewitt. And the end -- the patient advance of Russia and the liquidation of fashisti -- would be the same anyway.
"I fear a coup by Ukrainian hardline nationalists"
That's what happened in 2014 when the US destroyed the elected government of Ukraine and put an unelected junta of hardline nationalists in charge. They're still in charge and Zelensky is their frontman.
They'll get rid of Zelensky only when he stops delivering more billions for the Nazis to skim, and then when that happens they'll hop on their private jets and fly off to their villas and estates in resort areas in the US, the Middle East and around the Med.
Hey Simplicius do you think another terrible reason Europe/NATO is keeping the war going is to kill off the Ukrainian population. For fear of having to provide for them as refugees as their budgets are increasingly tight. The 2nd reason is that many Ukrainians would remain and be absorbed into the Russian state. So better to have them die than join the Russian army and pay taxes to Moscow.
I’d say that’s not entirely accurate. It’s more like human life (and life in general, plants, animals too) don’t matter. Any American, European, British or Australian who thinks their lives might be spared in the elite’s fight for its interest, because of the passport they own, is very wrong. I have the great privilege of having been born in Spain, where history gave us the most shocking lesson about what it means to be under these people.
"Snow nigger" derives from "sand nigger", which was coined in order to characterize the attitude of Americans towards the Arabs they were bombing and murdering on the ground in the Middle East.
Then people realized it's not all that much different with Russians. Long before Americans started bombing Russians.
Which today is a daily occurence, just like it was in the Middle East.
This is a key aspect not many people think about. There are a number of reasons for why the powers that be want to get rid of slavic, Russian-speaking men. Its not a bug, its a feature. As you said, who wants to care for them? Also, many would just become assets for Russia in the long run. Thirdly, an empty Ukraine in the hands of the west would leave room for a new demographic: a third world servant class governed by inhabitants of the heavenly Jerusalem project...all in a Blackrock-owned GMO paradise. Lastly, anyone who gets stuck with providing care for Ukraine and/or Ukrainians is in for an enormous cost over many decades. Just compare with the massive dent it put in Germanys budget to integrate the fallen DDR... Taking Odessa in order to control the Black Sea might be a good idea, but either Ukraine has to remain a neutral but independently viable state that can finance and maintain its own population, through trade going through Odessa, or a Galician rump state has to be dumped in EUs lap, leaving Ursula with the bill... Feels like a complex balancing act...
Yep, a landlocked rump of a country remaining fully dependent on EU welfare, full of angry Nazi amputees, totally defanged with no military capability. Semi-contained from the RF side with a DMZ.
I think you get it a bit wrong. Many of those Ukrainians are going to miss a limb, suffer from PTSD and all kinds of other creepy damage.
It's seen as advantageous to dump them on Russia, because they will be draining Russian resources, not western.
There is a very cynical aspect of what's happening and if you think about it, there's a strongly visible "eugenics" part of the conflict. Certain groups are propected and certain other groups (mainly minorities) are the ones mobilized first.
The West sees Ukrainian as Russians, so every dead Ukrainian is a dead Russian too, and thus a win.
The Ukrainians are way too dumb to understand it. Even the ones that have spent quite some time in the West and have thus certainly had the repeated opportunity to be mistaken for a Russian, have not connected the dots.
Could be millions more? So they could be thinking if they feed Vlad how can they feed their beloved Ahmed. It’s just my thought. The euros ain’t us they just can’t print infinite dollars.
and I promise to never drink again…here we have it, most EU countries have a professional army and badly need new youngbloods as volunteers, see in France, Germany and others. The main reason for this is, when I go back to my military service, 1 in 2 are alcoholics or regular drug users. New contingencies must take the bullets first, the pro’s have fought their wars too long behind a desk, now they’re called AI’s or liquor stores.
Recruitment levels have dropped across the board, and for reasons that aren’t hard to understand. Many Europeans feel their governments have mishandled immigration policy and ignored public concerns.
We have three plans or rather a EU, Russian complete surrender plan, the original 28 point Witkoff&Dmietriev plan and now a Rubio instigated a chopped up non-disclosed 19 point plan.
I dont trust Rubio.
Now they say that Driscoll (Vance friend) and Budanov sits in Abu Dhabi and do negotiations together with Witkoff&Putin in Moscow. Hope they dont talk over phone…
Deep State in USA, UK, EU is doing all they can to sabotage this.
More click bait- the posturing will go on til winter creates so much agony that the oppressed Ukrainians will beg for mercy - unless on the pre-decided Anglo-American agenda no mercy will be allowed.
War Fever - I remember when this started - planned way ahead of time the US was awash in Ukrainian flags which appeared everywhere in the US as if by magic, bakeries serving up Ukrainian flag decorated pastries overnight, anti-Russian sentiment stirred up forcing Russian restaurants to close or create a new name overnight, Russian composers eliminated from orchestral performances, people afraid to speak Russian. War euphoria - mmm years have now passed Ukraine lies in tatters- the world playing out a proxy WWiII- evil has accelerated, no regard for the devastation of a unique country- 21st century more barbaric than ever given that at this point in time diplomacy should be an option and should have been from the start. NATO is the problem every country should resign from NATO en masse and go back to running their countries for their citizens best interests not for the Anglo-Americans for whom they are just pawns. Russia is willing to do business with all of NATO countries, peace is possible. Once peace is established have elections and remove all of your war monger leaders willing to send your children to war, ruin your economies further and ensure you never have grandchildren if the Covid vaccine hasn’t already destroyed your children’s fertility death in combat surely will.
One of the supposed virtues of international sports is that people can compete on the playing field, instead of dying on the battlefield. Yet one of the first thing they did was to ban Russia / Russian athletes. The optics look so bad that they then said.. ok Russians can still compete, but no national flag, no national anthem if they win. F*** them. It really showed the level of control that the deep state had over most of the pan-national organisations like the Olympic council etc.
I play chess on Chess.com, or rather, I used to. When the SMO started, all the Russian accounts had their flags turned to grey patches. Of note: Israelis still have their shitty flag flying. The hypocrisy is thick.
nothing is more educational about current US behavior than reading Kol Nidre, a thrice declared command during yomkippur:
"All vows, prohibitions, oaths, bans, renunciations, penalties, or invocations of the divine by which we have vowed, sworn, renounced, or foresworn anything from this Yom Kippur to an auspicious next Yom Kippur, we repent of them all. We repudiate them. All of them are undone, abandoned, cancelled, null and void, not in force, and not in effect. Our vows are no longer vows, and our prohibitions are no longer prohibitions, and our oaths are no longer oaths." -- And this is how they create monsters out of children.
Get out of guilt free card through repudiation or cause I said so- let’s send them to Catholic schools in the 50’s for 12 years to inculcate a guilty conscience and a sense of remorse. Not ideal but preferable to being such base animals. Even animals are more moral than this cult.
It's Ukro/EU Barbarism/Fascism against the 'new world' civilization; say BRICS and all who are tired of western hegemony and neocolonialism.
Civilization always wins over barbarism in the end since barbarism is anti human in it's core and everyone knows that, even if it comes as a gut feeling only.
You mean like the civilized abstentions of Russia and China in the UN to the Gaza “peace plan”.
Or how both are pledging $$$ to the Syrian Al Quaeda headchopper government to rebuild the country after having done exactly nothing for over ten years to improve the material conditions of that country under supposed ally Al Assad?
But, were I to be a dreamer, I fully agree with your point.
FWIW: Frank is wrong about 'Civilization always wins". But then that depends on how you define "winning". In the long run, I guess if anyone survives the coming nuclear war, civilization will "win".
Hardcore Realpolitik would have been to pump up Syria with air defense and ballistic missiles, provide it with fuel and food, clear the US and Turkey out of the territory, and have Syria punish Israel hard every time it attacks.
Kind of like what the West is trying to do in Ukraine
What was done instead, and is still being done, was just directly working for the Israelis against the interests of Russia and China a "hardcore Realpolitik" approach would have defended.
Because here is the elephant in the room that barely any of the analysts ever dare touch:
The long-term interests of countries as a whole and the interests of their ruling elites do not necessarily coincide, in fact they usually don't. And they can be as divergent as to be directly opposed. But it's the elites that make the decisions.
That simple insight explains everything about Russia's actions in the last 40 years
P.S. It has always been the case that elites rule in the interests of elites and that traitors existed at the highest level, but for much of human history elite wealth and power was directly proportional to those of the state as a whole, because wealth and power derived from land and people as a linear function. But that is not the case in the modern world, so the phenomenon of elites working directly against their own country is much more widespread.
Remember that at its most basic semantic level civilisation just means the move towards the population concentrating in “civitas” (civitai? Not sure about the Latin), ie, cities. That’s all. It seems the term accrued a lot of positive associations throughout history. But any tale about the dealings of westerners with “uncivilised” natives, say the Cherokee for instance, will bring some unexpected debunking of this constellation of meanings. Civilisation, and cleverness in general (not intelligence, which is a different thing) is a he ultimate cause of our potential destruction as a species.
much depends on the definition of 'civilisation'. European colonists were considered barbarians everywhere they set foot, while the Europeans called everyone else uncivilised barbarians. "and never the twain shall meet" :-((
Remember that fool Josep Borrell: “Europe is a garden. We have built a garden. Everything works… Most of the rest of the world is a jungle, and the jungle could invade the garden.” The arrogant POS
Please help me out here, what has the Gaza 'peace plan' to do with civilized approach of the Palestinian question? It's just more rabid neocolonialism with a massive shot of blatant racism inclusive.
Of course they abstained, I think it was a wise thing to do.
"exactly nothing" is a great deal if you would like to consider the Russian soldiers that died for Syria/ Assad, the costs of Russia saving Assad's ass since 2015 militarily.
It's not only unfair what you are saying here, it's factual nonsense.
That Assad was unable to reign in his corrupt military leadership is not Russia or China's fault, I would argue.
Russia deals with the Taliban and promised help as well. It's what you prefer, US help wit bombs and terror or Russian/Chinese help with directing the help at the people - and that's why you have to talk with the 'government' aka 'head shoppers' as well.
The original plan wasnt stupid - it could work if all participants swalloved their pride&dignity. The main problem is UK&EU that came with a sort of Russian unconditional surrender paper. I dont get it - why do they want to inherit a US secret war and continue the slaughter of Ukrainians?
If the 19 point plan is presented without any core demands from Russia it will be a dead in the water product.
Nah. The UK&EU plan was a Russian surrender.
The original wasnt that bad although Putin would have some problem to convince his own hawks.
The 19 point is now 22 points according to Trump and I am sure he will not sit down with Putin until the Russians says ok.
The game now is to convince Ukraine that the game is over. Zelensky doesnt dare to meet Trump without the finn Stubb at his side. We will see.
The new narrative in EU&NATO is that Europe will be defended through Ukraine and NATO-forces in Ukraine. A big no-no for Russia of course.
>The original wasnt that bad
What are you talking about? It was catastrophic.
None of the seemingly good for Russia things had any meaningful guarantees behind them, meanwhile Russia was asked to save the enemy from collapse, give away two regional capitals (which Putin does not have the right to do -- he commits grand treason by even engaging in such talks, no ifs, buts or questions about it), and establish a DMZ inside its own territory.
And then the concessions begin on that position...
I know what you mean, GM. Did you read my original ”defense” of the plan?
In a context where we wish peace of some sort it wasnt that bad. Of course no eternal peace with it. But then Russia cant sit still and poke some villages in Ukraine.
For the very first time, I am in the happy situation of agreeing with you.
Do you mean the Finn Stump?
Yepp. The new ”Statesman ” that Deep State has hatched. Expect him to become new EU-head.
>might have gotten Putin removed from office
Well, yes, and that is part of the plan.
There are three possibilities from here:
1) Putin agrees to capitulate, does not get couped, Russia is finished. It will take a while, but its fate will be sealed from here on. Just as Syria's fate was in retrospect sealed in 2014-16 when Putin took away its deterrent then forced it to sign Astana. There were another eight years of agony, but the eventual outcome was determined at that point
2) Putin agrees to capitulation, then gets couped. That quite likely means a civil war in Russia, because most of the governors are loyal Putinists and may not back the coup. Then the West does a 1918. Those forces being amassed in Finland and the Baltics are not to do a June 22 1941, but to take advantage of such a situation. Back in 1918 what saved Russia was strategic depth -- the West could not get deep into Russia territory before it got bogged down, the Red Army organized itself, and push them back. Not fully -- Finland, the Baltics and Poland were lost, the repercussions of which are felt to this day -- but still, most of the country was saved. Today there is strategic air lift and good logistics so that factor is not there in Russia's favor. Russia might gather itself somehow, but most likely it is finished in such a scenario too, unless the coup is quick and completely successful.
3) Putin does not agree to capitulation and carries on. But then why engage in this shitshow at all, why have obvious traitors in so many key positions, etc. etc. etc.?
So it looks rather bleak now.
Why engage in the shitshow? To play for time. The Stavka is stringing Trump and the West along, dangling the irresistible carrot of Minsk III before their noses. There will be no Minsk III, but oh, the sweet scent of that carrot!
But while the West is stretching to reach the carrot, they cannot engage in overt escalation---like putting an expeditionary force in Odessa, or invading Transnistria, or attacking with Tomahawks, or interdicting the shadow fleet. Their hands are tied by the peace process, because they seem to be just on the verge of making a dupe of Russia again.
And meanwhile the army advances, and the front crumbles, and the situation becomes more and more favorable to Russia. While Putin smiles like Mona Lisa, compliments Trump, and says that the peace plan is almost, but not quite acceptable. . .
And BTW, Kirill Dimitriev is no traitor. He has been assigned a role to play, that of the good cop. He is an almost exact counterpart of Witkoff, who is Trump's good cop, and every inch as insincere.
"Russia was meant to be the idiot in this plan" That IS the carrot. The hope that Russia will allow itself to be bamboozled again.
And the ATACMS are nothing new; they are being used again because Ukraine is running out of everything else, but the price exacted for the latest attack was steep enough that they (the US, not the dills) will think twice before doing that again.
Good points. I have some doubts about Dmitriev though.
Be reasonable. Do you think the Stavka and the FSB would allow Dmitriev the credentials to represent Russia to the US if there was the slightest doubt about his allegiance? Yes, he comes across as eager for compromise. That's how he is supposed to act, if you think he is a weak link then he is doing his job well. He was chosen for this role because of his extensive American background and ability to tempt Trump with business deal prospects.
Agree. What can go wrong with two good cops?
"3) ....But then why engage in this shitshow at all, why have obvious traitors in so many key positions, etc. etc. etc.?"
---> because:
a) The shitshow has divided the NATO/EU alliances, fighting among themselves is a great outcome.
b) The costs of supporting the war will cause domestic problems, see Germany, etc. pension crisis
c) Keep your friends close, your enemies closer
Russia has to appear to want peace to maintain the support of its BRICS partners.
Bull. To the extent Russia has any support, it is because Russia's partners are pursuing their own interests.
Moral concerns never play a role in it, except as a post facto figleaf.
This chat section is a learning experience in itself.
Generally agree but there were some strange things (if the version published by the Rada MP is to be believed) in it, including the concept that Ukraine should not send missiles on Moscow or St Pete "without cause". Does not get much weirder than that as far as international treaties go.
Yeah. And, apparently, sending missiles to other Russian towns "without cause" was just fine.
Weird, yes. But as Trump said; the 28-point wasnt a plan it was a map (with wishes). Ukraine changed the document and leaked it, probably to arouse the Europeans. Europeans answered with their own plan which should have rendered them a full Nuke response from Moscow. Just kidding - dont want anymore people to die.
I found the clause that stipulated Russia would pay rent for the liberated areas of the Donbas particularly hilarious, and even more so, that the compilers even thought it was a goer. As in; "Good idea, let's put that in the middle where they might not notice"
That was laughable, you recapture a territory which was foolishly gifted to these maniacs in the first place based on the principle of remaining neutral from any military alliance, and they now demand the victor (Hard won) to pay rent. On what planet does that logic make sense? It’s completely detached from reality.
Most leading European politicians are detached from reality.
I think it's because they've always focused on what their newspapers are saying, and Western European newspapers long since cast journalistic integrity to the winds: they just relay the crudest propaganda. The pols then believe it, and feed it back to the MSM in a self-reinforcing feedback loop of lies.
Yes, just listen to Macron, crazy.
They know exactly what they are doing. Since 1917, european strategy has been simple - get Americans to fight their wars for them.
the banking cabal logic
"The main problem is UK&EU... I dont get it - why do they want to inherit a US secret war and continue the slaughter of Ukrainians?"
According to Amerikanets, it's because the EU elite is now betting on the defense industry for economic recovery and growth. Therefore, the war better continues. Peace is bad for this particular business.
Herman... (My opinion)
The political leadership of Europe achieved their positions because of money from the Anglo-American Oligarchy. Their purpose is to extract as much wealth as possible from whatever entity. Let me call it "Grand Imperialism". You have to understand mercantilism and colonialism and "empire" to get the point I'm probably unsuccessfully making.
But, yeah, " Peace bad for business"
To try to be more clear: there are no "EU elites". They are all there because of the money supplied by the Anglo-American Oligarchy.
Hey Europe. "You've been had!"
If you want to understand the point, 3 hours of Richard Wolff might provide a hint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeWiKOEkfj8
Or, I could sum it up with "Greed". But then, you'd have to suffer through Hudson/Wolff/Marx/Norton/many more.
To sum it up more succinctly, it's the Juuz.
No Haywood it is NOT the "Juuz".
Yes the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/Organized Crime" framework or structure has a lot of names that we all recognize as being Jews (like Zuckerberg and the list below) who seem to have undue influence on American Politics and the economy, they are just the "rocks" that show above the surface of the pond.
And it is also true that when talking about "Organized Crime" that the "Jewish Mob" plays an outsized role (much, much more than the Italians)...
And it is also true that GHWBs "crazies from the basement of the Pentagon" (Wolfowitz) were mostly Jews and that his opposition to them directly lead to Clinton's election and Monica's Mossad operation....
And, the Oligarchy perpetrated a "limited hangout" operation to discredit the CIA so that covert operations would be contracted out to Mossad and the (believe it or not) Sands Casino (does the name Adelson ring in your head)....
There are many, many Jews who oppose this criminal element.
The reason you know many of these names is because the "Boston Brahmin" segment of the Oligarchy (which includes Bush) pushes them out to get you to concentrate on "the Juuz" rather than their Anglo-Saxon criminality.
If somehow, "the Juuz" were eliminated, the "Puritans" would still be there causing the next recession to steal the wealth created by labor; pushing the next NED sponsored "color revolution" in some nation you've never heard of; sabotaging the economic infrastructure of those nations; and bribing "Nobel Peace Prize" winners to "coup" the elected leader of nations with resources to plunder.
You are right to be angry. But damn man, figure out who your enemy is. Don't fall into the "Juuz" trap because that will change NOTHING.
Howard Schultz: Starbucks Jew
Michael Dell: Dell Computer Jew
Bill Ackman: Hedgefund Jew
Joshua Kushner: Thrive Cap Jew
Daniel Lubetzky: Kind Snack Jew
Daniel Loeb: Third Point Fund Jew
Len Blavatnik: USSR graft Jew
Joseph Sitt: Ashley Stewart Jew
Barry Sternlicht: Starwood Jew
Yakir Gabay: Aroundtown Israeli
Fabien Levy: Dep Mayor NYC Jew
Ted Deutch: D-FLA Jew
Sorry for your misconception. It is indeed the Juuz and has been for thousands of years. Kicked out of 109 countries and counting.
"Giablomi" works better. But then that'd make you Italian. And a lot of people say "it's the Eyetalians"...
Thank you for the link, but I will not survive three hours of listening to this self-satisfied individual, sorry.
Well, you were the one who said "I don't get it".
So it seems you don't want to "get it".
The insult to Wolff was unwarranted and I take offense.
And I take offense at your saying "to get the point I'm probably unsuccessfully making." As if I am a moron. If you think that I am a fool who understands nothing, don't waste your time on me.
A friend of mine had a joke that went "People don't realize it, but Shakespeare is full of clichés," which I thought was pretty funny. He had another that was even funnier: "I hate pedantic teachers."
Profiting from War and making MIC fat in Europe with taxpayers money will not save them.
Save them from what? Losing their political posts and being replaced with the next stooge? That's part of the job. In the meantime they have been getting fat with taxpayers money right along with the MIC.
Agree. But when immigrants doesnt get their cash flow without working, when middle-class sees their jobs done by AI, when youths realize they were screwed by the 1%-ers…
Chop-chop!
No, you can always hire one half of the working class to kill the other half. Unless and until the police and army stop following orders, the rulers can sleep soundly in their beds. There is no sign that the security forces are anywhere near the breaking point.
Romantic fantasies aside, revolutions do not happen when the elites are united, as they have the levers of power and are ruthless enough to use them. Revolutions happen when the elites are disunited and elite factions start casting about for allies.
the EU compradors have one goal: to fatten their offshore accounts
European financial markets (you know, the parasitic ones that don't help us finding affordable food or energy etc etc) have been rising for the past years, mainly because of the profitable investments in the Military-Industrial-Governmental-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think-Tank/MIGIMATT complex.
what about the return?
MIC= treasonous failure
Government & Intelligence = treasonous slavery to banking cartel
Media-Academia-Think-Tank = their who-ring and presstituting have reached a critical point when the populace is not interested anymore in their opinions
Your idea about the media reaching a critical point is worth exploring. You can already see the eyes of certain designated "experts" shifting from the camera as they repeat the lies on the evening news. The lies need to be singled out and pinned to the wall.
Case in point: In a recent story that mentioned Mariupol, ARTE TV news in France mentioned in passing that 50,000 civilians were killed by the Russians during the fighting in that city. The Wikipedia article on Mariupol - which, as is true of much of what one finds on Wikipedia, shows a strong pro-NATO and anti-Russian bias - cites a figure of between 1,348 (source UN) and 25,000 (source Ukrainian government) civilian deaths. So ARTE's editorial department takes the figure given by the Ukrainian authorities, doubles it, and refers to it as fact, not even mentioning a source for the figure and not even mentioning the UN's figure or any other alternative.
Examples of this kind of wartime "journalism" are to be found everywhere in the mainstream media every day. In fact this is not journalism at all, but the creation and maintenance of a narrative. We participate in maintaining that narrative through our passive acceptance. That is why such misinformation must be challenged.
They don't have the money, they don't even have the capacity to carry the adicional debt. They don't have the energy for a large increase in heavy industry. They have no policies that will invert that situation.
War is serious business, it takes planning, logistics and a lot of materiel that are not even a dream today. Contrast with WWI, every participant was ready for what they claimed would be a short war. Europe today is barely prepared to move the troops out of the barracks!
" Europe today is barely prepared to move the troops out of the barracks!"
Colonel Macgregor reports that a French general told him that the French military might manage going on safari in Africa. (not a verbatim quote)
By the way, I've heard similar quotes from French sources 😉 Make note the French didn't send anything from their active units, while the British and the Poles are out of SPGs. 🧐🤔
I believe France sent about 30 Ceasar SPGs and are planning to send more.
When you say "they" I get the impression you are confusing the hapless euro populace with the puppet elites who herd them. These two groups do not have the same goals.
Believe me, as a unwilling member of said populace, I am under no illusion that the pimpocracy shares any interest with me.
The main reason is that a Russian victory would ridicule the European globalists. It would not in the least imperil the European security, as goes the grotesque doctrine, but it surely would be devastating for Macron, Starmer, Merz and the rest of the band.
Firstly, if these elites were afraid of ridicule, they would already have been driven to suicide.
Secondly, define "devastating". Do you mean that they would lose their temporary posts, be replaced by a new tranche of stooges, and retire as billionaires to Epstein Island 2.0?
Cheap gas would be a hell of a lot better for uk/eu industry.
I am unconvinced.
>The original plan wasnt stupid - it could work if all participants swalloved their pride&dignity
False.
It was a plan for Russian capitulation.
>he main problem is UK&EU
No, its a classic good cop/bad cop routine.
"I dont get it - why do they want to inherit a US secret war and continue the slaughter of Ukrainians?"
Because Russian dithering and indecision have caused them to smell blood.
It's a smokescreen to cover the undeclared ongoing escalations. A US ATACMs crew reportedly launched 4 missiles at Voronezh 18 November. The US is not only at war with Russia, the escalations continue:
https://riavrn.ru/news/po-voronezhu-udarili-4-amerikanskie-rakety-atacms-18-noyabrya/
Furthermore a Borzzikman video reported 3 days ago:
"Russia managed to discover the exact launch site of the American ballistic missiles. Russia even showed a video of the destruction of American missile systems in the area of the settlement of 'Volosskaya Balakleya' in the Kharkiv region. In total, as a result of this Russian missile attack, two units of M270 MLRS and one escort vehicle were destroyed. In addition, the Russian Defense Ministry also confirmed the deaths of four US Army officers and 6 Ukrainian soldiers of the elite special forces unit 'KORD', who were guarding expensive American missile systems."
The man who bombed Iran (which even W. Bush and Obama refused to do), aided and abetted genocide in Gaza, and is on a piratical extrajudicial killing spree in the Caribbean would like us to think he is a peacemaker. Nobel Peace prize coming up!
Wars must be started to be stopped - and gain accolades, perhaps even a Nobel Prize.
Funny if its true…the part with four US Army officers. Hard to believe they were there in a role as official US Army. More likely as volontiers/mercenaries.
Active duty soldiers are not allowed such voluntarism. They were assigned there quietly.
Could be. So their familys will hear that they died in an accident abroad then?
Precisely.
Borzzikman is surely a cartoonish propaganda channel? Having said that, the story mentioned here is widely reported elsewhere.
I have found Borzzikman pretty much on target most of the time as later stories have proven the channel true.
I have found it to be sometimes true. Where are you getting verification of constant claims of SAS casualties, and arrests etc? Isn't it odd that you don't read this "news" anywhere else? And the AI voiceover also appears in many ads for garden strimmers etc.
I prefer the real life stuff like Murat San. Borzzikman reminds me of the Telegraph. Which also has some verifiable news and lots of nonsense
You might be right. But it must also be considered that SAS casualties and other "illegal" assignments to the theatre of war are rarely advertised given the possible consequences, esp at home.
As for garden strimmers, perhaps Borzzikman has to bring in supplemental income? 😉
Sure. No doubt NATO people die every day. Like the HIMARS folks mentioned above. But that story is all over, with footage of the missiles being fired and hitting their targets. Though we can only speculate the nationality of those killed since Ukranians will be doing the most dangerous part of the process, like driving the launchers around. It's highly unlikely there are US personnel lingering once the missiles have been fired. In fact it may be ukranians firing the system once the Americans have set it up for them with the special forces long gone. These stories are rarely backed up with any evidence, and channels like Borzzikman are just churning out speculation as fact.
Borzzikman isn't that reliable to be fair. I like him because I want him to be accurate. He's a pro-Russian equivalent of Denys.
I do watch videos from the Borzzikman channel, but everything they claim is never supported/corroborated by any of the many pro-Russian Telegram channels that I also follow. My question is Borzzikman a reliable source? Two days ago it claimed INSANE Slaughter on the Romanian Border: Russia Brutally Attacked UK, French, and Romanian Soldiers. I can't find anything confirming this.
It is purely Russian propaganda for the simple minded, the equivalent of the Ghost of Kiev story, the Russian washing machines chips abd fighting with shovels, etc.
The difference is no self respecting Russian official says things like this, whereas in the West there is no sense of ridicule while lying.
Like all other sources (RF MOD included) YT videos are to be taken with a measure of salt. However, more than once that source has published something unusual, only to be later confirmed by other sources. I will never forget the widespread hostility directed at TG channels which were (correctly) reporting NK soldiers fighting in Kursk... Only to be confirmed months later by the RF MOD.
The only thing that makes sense: China.
Of course, Israel is there to shit on everything.
I guess we'll have to suffer through another flurry of dhhd (or whatever) accusations against all Jews. I confess, I grow weary of trying to defend ... sad to say, I'm not even sure who (or what) it is I'm trying to defend. Sorry Max. Sorry Norman. Let me "pull a Trump": this (Bibi) is your problem. [Yes, I know, your only option will make you "just like him". William Munny/Clint Eastwood. -- kind of weird that I expect everyone to know about "Unforgiven" when Quora is full of posts about how "Little Bill" (Gene Hackman) starved to death in his own home.]
I recall an old saying from the '60s "Kill them all and let God sort it out."
Not a solution, of course. Just an expression of the frustration.
"I'm wilting".
Elena, the "Deep State" wants to move on. China is the threat now.
Fickle.
Here I am, reminiscing again. about "false hearted lovers". The song was quite popular on KRFO.
No, this post isn't suppose to make sense. It is a summary of 100 years of history. Since when does history make sense?
Munny, Clint Eastwood.
Yeah. I think of Unforgiven many times these times.
Luv that movie. "They put a SIGN on him?"
https://youtu.be/4x_MfkJvgbU?si=-DuJGwkokKBYQIgZ
China is waiting for Russia to weaken. They will be on the same side but China does not want a challenger for world domination.
You make the same gross mistake Mearsheimer does. China is not run by the same kind of people who make up the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/Jewish Mob".
"Trust but verify" comes to mind.
I may be naive, but I believe BRICS is becoming what the UN was suppose to be.
Given that the UN was supposed to become a totalitarian one world government socialist technocracy, this is a worrying statement.
An oxymoron is where the two words in the phrase are contradictory. Socialist and technocracy are mutually reinforcing, so it is not an oxymoron.
Quite simple no, like you?
I think the word you were looking for is tautology.
Also you might want to look up the word ‘dictionary', and perhaps invest in one.
China builds and trades. The banking-cabal-captured west has been on a killing spree for collateral and mineral resources.
Anglo-American Oligarchy or Jewish Mob is in charge of the collective west.
That is a Anglo-American propaganda justification for the Opium Wars against China designed to politically muddy the waters and downplay the crimes of the Anglos.
But then again, that is what Anglo Americans specialize in, as Mr. Putin accurately called them the Empire of Lies.
The original quote was "kill them all, God will know his own". The RC church is still trying to live that order down/deny papal legate Arnaud Amalric really said that during the crusade against the Cathars.
"When asked how to distinguish between Cathar heretics and Catholics in the city, Amalric supposedly gave this command, which led to the massacre of the city's entire population."
>neither Russia nor Ukraine can accept this
They can't but that doesn't mean they won't.
Rational analysis concluded that Russia couldn't accept Minsk-1, Minsk-2, Astana and Istanbul either, and yet it enthusiastically went for all those.
The pattern is clear and consistent.
"Fool me once" comes to mind.
It is pretty clear that Russia and China are on a totally different course.
China has the largest economy in the world (PPP). Russia has won in Ukraine. The "rest of the world" is choosing between BRICS and subservience to the "Empire".
The "Empire" is now in decline. It is still very dangerous and it will still have successes (if you call Syria a "success", but that's the "Anglo-American Oligarchy" for ya).
But I believe China and Russia see that they are both better off with one another than fighting with one another. They have a common enemy in the USA which is destroying itself and its allies. China has shown the value of patience. Taiwan is going to rejoin the mainland on its own as Hong Kong did. Russia has finally realized that it has an amazing culture and it no longer needs validation from a disintegrating Europe.
Well I agree with that but there will still need to be a power reckoning, a cautious partnership. But yy, the West is sunk.
"need to be a power reckoning"
Why?
Russia is an autarky. 11 time zones provides a lot of self-sufficiency.
China needs Russian (and Iranian) gas.
There are many who are predicting Israel's demise.
Africa is freeing itself from Western Imperialism. China profits from cooperation rather than domination.
When you say "the West is sunk", have you considered that Americans may not appreciate being turned into neo-serfs? I only hope not. I fear they have no clue.
I see BRICS creating a bi-polar world.
I have no clue what the US will become. Were the stories of a Mexican coup "real"? I guess we'll have to see what happens with Venezuela.
You lost me.
Thinking that maybe I know what you're talking about, check out the latest in the Harmony OS and Mate 70.
I don't think China will have any problems leaving Microsoft behind. (If I understood your point.)
Ukraine, EU, NATO, are puppets and USA is the puppeter. It is a play for public opinions. It shapes a narrative that can be used afterward in order to justify policies and wars. Point is that all the plan since "Orange revolution" until late 2021 in order to trap and break Russia, has not worked, so puppeter is lost, and tries to reshape policy and narrative.
Trumpstein is an orange revolution
Partly right. But I don't think "USA" is the puppeteer; it's the neocons in Washington. As for who pulls their strings ... it sure isn't the American electorate.
You are right to get AntonioB to narrow down the evil force to just the "neocons" but even you need to realize that "neocons" is a label that doesn't actually cover the "puppeteer".
I keep saying "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State/ Jewish Mob" because there is no one label that can be used to describe the "men pulling the strings".
Think of the "5 families" in the movie "The Godfather" and then realize that we're just talking about one small segment of a much larger structure.
When you think you understand what's happening, realize you've just scratched the surface.
USA is a dying host to a voracious parasite.
He is drawing out the EU/UK
What's to wonder?
Step back and look at the "big picture". While Ukraine dominates the headlines, what is Trump doing to the US economy? Is the AI bubble going to burst this week or next month?
Think about how long Vietnam went on and on and on. Or the 20 years of Afghanistan. How often did those wars come to your attention? How many recessions happened. Who attained power and control of "The Empire".
The 28 point plan is nothing but a distraction to get us to think about something other than the evil of Capitalism.
Do understand that I don't want to write an entire book in this small space so I'm leaving out a lot.
The europeans know exactly what they are doing. They are watering down the peace plan to make sure it is unacceptable, then they will whine to Trump that Russia doesn't want to negotiate.
At the same time, Ukraine needs a big shot in the arm. Trump can either escalate, or he'll be the one to "lose Ukraine."
It's an obvious trap, and moron Trump is waltzing right into it.
I suspect that Trump knows that either Ukraine will need a big shot in the arm, or a deal will need to be reached.
Trump also is a bully and a coward.
Because Russia seeks not to end the West, but to be allowed to join it.
This is why they fall for the okey doke, over and over. They cannot admit to themselves that they are hated and feared, that they will forever be barred from The Club.
First.
Don't be that guy
Too late, I became the guy I hated.
I hate you too.
Idiot. Jamming up the thread with your childish mentality and actions. Go away.
Happy Thanksgiving to you. Do not fret so much.
I salute you sir, in this day and age its not exactly a trivial task to create an online account, especially for such a lark.
Your dedication and resolve have been noted -happy left pondian day of celebration!
gay
Much more than gay.
Simmer down pal - if you don't like a little banter, don't read it.
Nah Simplicius is first!
I have previously bitched about people who said "first", but now I did it. It was low-hanging fruit.
Low hanging fruits are the simplest and most genuine sources of joy. This is your special day. Well done.
I am proud of it. First time being first.
Tomorrow I will read the details.
Just remember that while the first bird may get the worm, it's the second rat that enjoys the cheese ;)
Crikey, I shouldn't answer but I have to. Cheese isn't a good rat bait. Peanut butter is much better. I know this from "first" hand experience. Bushy-tailed wood rats. All of them must be killed.
I should just ignore this.
Some people like rats. They are supposedly very affectionate. I recall a podcast about a guy who lost a "serious relationship" because of his rats.
Then there's the guy who rides his child's bike past us muttering "fucking dog, fucking dog, fucking dog".
Have I derailed this exchange now?
Just checking in here.
I recommend getting a few cats.
@thatguy
Of course peanut butter IS superior to cheese as effective bait, if for no other reason than what madman would waste precious cheese, the actual nectar of the gods, on a dirty rat! Having said that, I will share a little innovation I discovered around rat #46: stab a shard of purple onion firmly into the pile of peanut butter in the trap so it is sticking straight out. The addition of the purple onion 'shard' not only adds a scent they can detect from much farther than peanut butter, it encourages the rat to tug on the shard, in the peanut butter, and activate its own Stairway to Heaven at an almost 90% success rate. (sometimes they can lick the peanut butter off, assumedly unaware of the instant death they are courting by doing so - a rats gotta eat!)
FYI, you are talking to an accomplished and victorious rat eliminator here, the veteran of a Thousand Ratty Wars. I happen to manage a giant pile of an antique building that has more holes than swiss cheese and the crypts below the building are a veritable "Interview with a Vampire-set". I know my rats and am committed to their destruction, much like The Highlander assures that There Can Be Only One!
And yes, no cutsy 'pet' nonsense here - ALL rats must die.
At least you're aptly named. Carry on!
I will take that small win, thank you.
28 point plan, 19 point plan, all pointless.
Like in Harry Potter - Platform 9 ¾.
I put my money on 28 19/38 point plan :-) Do I hear 29 point plan?
28+19=47
just sayin’
See, we have room for movement :-)
Bowel movements. Lol just playing on the words.
It's all just someone's 401k point plan.
How are we to be sure it is indeed pointless, and why is the Kremlin even engaging to such an extent?
Imagine you are a Russian soldier on the frontlines, how do you feel about this situation? Knowing that those same bastards put you in danger in the first place by:
1) doing Minsk-1 when the AFU was collapsing
2) doing Minsk-2 when the AFU was collapsing
3) doing Istanbul in 2022 where they even offered to give Crimea away, and pulled out without a fight from huge swaths of territory that has still not been recovered, and will only ever be recovered at a tremendous cost.
4) Refused to mobilize, missing the crucial window of opportunity to solve this problem before it became much bigger.
5) Have stubbornly refused to make it easy for you by taking out the key objects that would deprive the Ukronazis of the ability to continue to fight
So much has been given away previously without any struggle, and that resulted in so much harm to Russia, how is anyone to be sure it won't be done again?
Now if there were clear and unambiguous statements from the Kremlin that "Ukraine is ours, everybody back the fuck off or else" and "there is nothing to negotiate", it would be different. But the statements are the exact opposite of clear and unambiguous and most definitely do not feature those messages.
Why demoralize your own army and people like that? The stench of dogovornyak in the air is very heavy right now.
The Kremlin ISN'T engaging but simply reiterating what their objectives ARE and HAVE BEEN all along... Chip
It is very obvious that the Russian troops are not demoralised or in the process of becoming demoralised.
What do you think the opinion of the guys who posed with the USSR flag in Pokrovsk about the "negotiations" is?
Exactly. The mood is Moscow is not for negotiating at all. They do trust the leadership, BUT...
another anti-Russian rant by Great Moron
Hello , I fully agree with your take. There is doubt in my opinion. I may add : the role and capability of Dmitriev - some bad decision-making there from the Kremlin. There have been many mistakes, though it may turn out ok in the end for Russia. I wrote about it here:
https://finnandreen.substack.com/p/putins-old-and-recent-mistakes-in?r=ewq2s
Note that you are being naive too.
Remember that Putin came from the KGB, was the FSB director, and has had some of the most extensive intel resources on the planets at his disposal for a quarter of century after that.
There is no conceivable possibility someone like that was genuinely naive about what was going on.
So the explanations for the decisions made have to be found elsewhere. And there it gets really sinister and dark
Ok, possible, but then first read my article, and then propose some other explanations. I keep my position : because of Russian naivety and misunderstanding of the West's nefarious intentions, Russia, and in particular Putin, didn't react for all these years, despite NATO being in Ukraine since the 1990s, despite 2004 Orange revolution, despite 20213-2014 Maidan.
They got so fooled and were naive, there is really no escaping that imo. Even Putin say that he was naive. What more do you want?
If you think there has been for 25 years some grand Russian strategy going on in the shadows then pray to tell me, but otherwise I will keep believing that Russia could have avoided this whole war by being more firm, not only in 2014 but even earlier, just after Bucarest 2008 meeting / 2008 Georgia war (this is not something I bring up in my article, but I could).
>Even Putin say that he was naive. What more do you want?
Of course he is going to say he was naive. Do you expect him to tell you that Russian policy is set by oligarchs and other shadowy figures that spend most of their time in Tel Aviv and he just does what he is being told?
>If you think there has been for 25 years some grand Russian strategy going on in the shadows then pray to tell me
No, there hasn't been any grand strategy with Russian state interests in mind, that is the problem. The key objectives of Putinism have been to make sure the communists don't take power back, the Yeltsinite system remains in place, the oligarchs collect their cut on the proceeds from the sale of Russian resources to the West, and nothing bad happens to Israel. The last one being the most important item.
Everything else, including the very existence of the country (which is currently in doubt while Putin does nothing to defend it) is subordinated.
I see, so that is how you think. I don't agree, and I think there would be many more signs of this and I leaks, testimonies, etc, if it were true. But interesting take anyway. It would also mean 80% of the Russian population was being hoodwinked...
" The key objectives of Putinism have been to make sure the communists don't take power back "
Not Communists, but any nationalists. Putin, and others in his cabinet, have stated many times how much they loath nationalism.
Woah! For once you forgot to add: "And nuke all of Europe"!
You're going soft, GM.
True. Wish Putin would demand unconditional surrender and the the war crimes trial of zelensky and every other Jew
"Imagine you are a Russian soldier on the frontlines, how do you feel about this situation? Knowing that those same bastards put you in danger in the first place by:
1) doing Minsk-1 when the AFU was collapsing
2) doing Minsk-2 when the AFU was collapsing"
Imagine you're a strategist who knows your country isn't yet ready to win a proxy war against NATO; you need time to recover from the ruins of the USSR. Of course, you could never have imagined this...
1) Because NATO would have attacked Russia directly in 2014 if it had taken over the whole of Ukraine? Just like it attacked it because it annexed Crimea?
2) How much more difficult would that was back in 2014 have been given that the L/DNR rebells with only a little bit of help from Russian army units, much of it not even authorized by the Kremlin, were crushing the AFU, to the point that the Kremlin had to intervene twice to bail the Ukronazis out (dooming Mariupol and many other cities to destruction later on)?
3) Whose job was it to have prepared Russia for war? by 2014? It had only been known that it is coming since what?
-- 1994 when the initial intention for NATO expansion was announced?
-- 1997 when the first expansion was announced offically?
-- 1999 when Yugoslavia was destroyed and Primakov turned that plane around?
And who had been in power for only 15 years by that point?
Just say it dude. You hate the current Russian leadership as much as the EU/banderites do. In your eyes everything the current Russian leadership does from the military all the way to the political sphere is a failure.
You are just an arm chair analyst like most of us but at least most do not go the the extreme as calling the current Russian leadership incompetent traitors and outright ignore the sheer incompetence of the western political and military leadership.
Putin has a four point plan starting from 2022. Until the end.
Nice summation.
Yawn... the usual "diplomatic" theatre, while the Russian steamroller goes on!
Honestly, when I am watching a mapping video, as soon as the political reporting nonsense starts, I close the video. It is not even worth the time it takes to watch, listen, or read about it. Nothing matters but correlation of forces and means and facts on the ground. The rest is worse than AI slop.
Very telling btw, that Zelensky is willing to give Putin and other supposed “war criminals” an amnesty, as long as it also means that nobody will be able to arrest anyone for all the billions stolen in Ukraine.
And all the horrific nazi war crimes.
Banderites/zionists' war crimes.
From NED/CIA activities to 2014 Nuland-Kagan's coup, zionists have been in charge while collaborating with the Ukrainian Nazi party (banderites)
Everybody calls the Banderites "nazis," but nobody ever seems to mention that Hitler had the gentleman imprisoned in Sachsenhausen for most of the war, because he was completely opposed to Ukrainian nationalism.
Stepan collaborated with NS Germany not because he had any special liking for the Germanic cause, but because he wanted to use German military supremacy in Ukraine at the time as a cloak for his own ambitions, which were to eradicate Polish and jewish influence in the nation.
Bandera was held in the Club Fed side of the prison. When he was released he was restricted to the confines of Berlin until them there Soviets got too close and he fled to Munich and worked for MI6 until he slipped and fell and cracked his skell and now resides in hell.
Slaughtering unarmed Jews and Polish farmers is a bit different than fighting an army I guess.
Western Ukrainians fought on the side of Germany in WW1 and WW2. This is nothing new. In fact this IS the whole neocon/Eurocrat plan. Exploit the split and push Russia into a war it can't win. The OSS (CIA) began a relationship with the nazi types before WW2 ended. The CIA used the UNA/UNSO as weapons smugglers and even engaged in guerrilla warfare tactics themselves during the First Chechen War. This is at the same time we were "friendly" with Russia and "helping" Yeltsin run the Russian economy. Putin in discussing Western duplicity said this was one of the most shocking things he learned about CIA interference in Russia. The hope was Russia would lose and become desperate. They would force Russia to stop trade with China and maintain global hegemony. Russia and China know the plan. The Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi told the idiot Kaja Kallas that they wouldn't let Russia lose the war because they would be next. So it isn't going to work. The only question is what is next. It isn't over yet. They will try everything else before admitting defeat. Hell they spent over 20 years in Afghanistan and have been in Iraq even longer. Weaken Iran, stir up trouble in Caucuses, get a foothold in central Asia, try and pry India away from Russia and BRICS, disrupt energy trade flows (Venezuela). We have a messy future in front of us and Trump isn't real. The neocons are still firmly in charge of US foreign policy.
The Banderites are called 'Nazis' because they like to wear items of Nazi German regalia, fondly recall when Ukrainians fought as German collaborators, and serve under unit emblems which borrow from Nazi symbology such as the wolf's hook and black sun. I don't think anyone is under any illusions that they do this because they worship Hitler or Germany, and there is considerable evidence to suggest they regard modern-day Germany as just another gaping purse to plunder. I expect the driving reason for the Hitler tats and the swastikas and the SS emblems is because they know it makes the Russians crazy with fury and loathing, and they enjoy not only being protected by the west in their indulgences, but watching western countries pretend that wearing an SS Grenadier unit's insignia is a free-speech issue, and refusing to condemn the behaviour.
Break your Jew programming and stop with the ‘Nazi’ attacks - this is a Jew war as are most.
Trebles all round!
yes, good point.
Somebody text me when Nuland is indicted. Until then, roll Russia roll, and crush every member of the US foreign policy blob while you're at it.
Right? Too cute by half.
The stand up pianist talks about the difficult choice between losing dignity and a key partner. I thought he had made his choice a long time ago.
He lost both. He succumbed to the false promises of the serpent. Not even 30 pieces of silver. Just lead.
I bet he did okay for himself on 30 pieces of silver.
The Jew cross dresser you mean
Really bizarre what Trump is saying
He likes wash his hands and yet he’s going to do something different as long as he gets it accomplished.
Let us know when Trump makes any sense at all.
Some people insist he wants peace. They are hearing a symphony from the cacophony.
Trump is not washing any hands.
This is an exact repeat, just on a much grander scale, of Debaltsevo and Minsk.
And Astana.
They are trying to save their proxy before it fully collapses.
We saw how that played out on those other occasions.
It's not bizarre at all. Trump is simply weak, stupid and easily manipulated.
He agrees with whatever the last person to talk to him about a given issue said. The europeans have figured this out and rush to meet with him immediately after he makes any noises in the direction of peace.
Trump dances to their tune like a marionette.
You have never witnessed much less than the history of the United States a man that has accomplished so much in such a little time and much more. It’s going to happen him and Putin figured this out. They’ve already mentioned what they have agreed to in Alaska and that’s the way it’s gonna go down.
Europe is not our friend of any sort they align more with the Biden administration on every topic
Politically he’s schooling them you don’t know what’s going on
FF
anyone who says Trump is stupid is an idiot. Fact of life.
Trump's own appointees ("only the best people" we were promised) have used words like "moron" to describe the man.
Envy can explain a lot
He may be morally repulsive, he may be a moron - a figure one just cannot like once he learns who he really is, but he is not stupid
I refuse imprecise terminology,
One, anyone is free not to like Trump, for whatever reason. Trump is rich and powerful, and President of the US is after the Chinese leader the second mightiest person in the world, so accepting dislike is part of the job
Two, whoever thinks he knows enough to judge Trump, negatively, on some moral criteria is free to do so, if he uses the same criteria on himself
Three, on the basis of capability, intelligence, there is no question, absolutely no question, that Tump is intelligent
As Americans like to say, if you are so smart, why aren't you rich, or president of the US
People who personally know the man say he's stupid.
By your logic, if Einstein was so smart, why isn't he rich or president?
BTW, had Trump simply taken the money he borrowed from his father and invested that in an S&P index fund, he'd be richer than he is today.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/11/its-official-trump-would-be-richer-if-he-had-just-invested-his-inheritance-into-the-sp500
So he's nothing special as a businessman. In fact, he's not even S&P average.
FF
People who personally know him, and have fallen out of favor with him, say all kind of bad things about Trump.
Einstein could not have become president, as he was not a born US citizen. And Einstein had chosen another path in life, and was successful.
Trump wanted to be rich, to remain rich, and he was successful.
Regarding intelligence, I doubt an unintelligent person could have won presidential elections, against formidable odds, and twice.
Not as a son of a former president, not as a former vice president, but as a former Democrat fighting first against Republican party establishment, and than against Democratic candidate and party. And against deep state, second time.
A genius in intelligence, probably not, but above average, definitely.
In business, above average, too.
Do not underestimate Trump, understand he, unlike Xi, is a man who knows he cannot openly be wiser, more intelligent than his audience, both the public as well as deep state. Europeans and most of the others, live in a hierarchical world, top knows more then the bottom, leaders who know lead masses who do not, America is different. Market, free press, democracy will determine who really knows. And there is no king in America because no one can singlehandedly outperform the market.
Those rare individuals that sometimes do corner some parts of the market, by their genius in some aspect of technology, end up on top, leading,
those who achieve success on market, investing, like Buffet or Dalio are epitomes of the common sense, always ready to accept new information, and never preaching as if they knew everything.
Final verdict, Trump understands more than he is showing, it is just American way.
Trum is definitely genius in sensing the pulse of the nation, (at least a half, but I think it is slightly above majority), and communicating with the nation through current media.
Did you read Trump's tweets re.: Massie & MTG? Not sound mind.
https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1993072673786569198
"Trump dances to their tune like a marionette."
Just like he did to Roy Cohn early in his career. He has been a useful tool from the 1970s onward.
Trump trying to fulfil promises to end the war while not angering the people in charge.
The people in charge like to play in Ukraine without Russia interfering.
The Ukraine alternative, Southeast Asia, is not good for Westerners.
Torn between opposing outcomes, Trump is paralysed, and it shows.
Well said with a few words
Russian political elites finally ran out of patience. This winter the pressure on Ukraine to negotiate a serious treaty coming from the stepped up Russian assault, destroyed infrastructure and the increasingly impatient Trump administration will be too much to resist.
I fear a coup by Ukrainian hardline nationalists, a possible assassination of Zelenskyy and a chaotic situation where it is no longer clear who exactly is in charge of what remains of Ukraine.
What a mess. Such a tragedy that could have been so easily avoided.
That is a very real risk.
Assassinations create martyrs and heighten the potential for unanticipated consequences.
Leave assassinations to the Zionist Israelis and the Americans. Let them deal with the inevitable blowback.
Really?
What did the failed killing of Alexander Dugin, but the actual killing of Darina Dugin do for the Ukrainian cause?
There are no key players in this game that will move the situation to Moscow's advantage by killing them. Where are the Julius Caesars or Napoleons here?
Zelensky isn't a key thinker, philosopher, leader or commander, he's an actor in a drama, playing the role of a leader. Kill him instead of letting him slide into disgrace and ruin with the rest of his rotten cabal, the show will go on but he gets to leave the stage like a Julius Caesar.
BTW. I don't think that Stephan Bandera was assassinated. The whole story behind that is absurd. BUT, by spinning the story of a perfectly normal heart attack into a KGB super-secret cyanide gun assassination, his team turned a dirty murderer into a national hero.
What blowback? Seems to be working just dandy for them.
Why take Zelensky out? He is invaluable in keeping the war going until Russia can destroy the Ukrainian armed forces.
I've always thought that Zelensky was the single more important person outside of Russians in leading to Russian success. Strong and influential enough to get small amounts of NATO arms and mercenaries and support at a time, so that Russia could easily kill the little pieces as they get to the front lines, stupid and stubborn enough to get Ukrainians to "fight till they die" rather than organized retreats for stronger defenses a bit further west.
He fell for the Kursk Offensive, where he threw away his best units and best equipment. 2 weeks after the Kursk Offensive started is when Russia started substantially increasing how fast they took Ukrainian territory.
If Russians were to involve them selves in Ukrainian internal politics, it would be to keep Zelensky in power. On a practical note, imho, the best distance for Russia to be from Ukrainian power struggles is as far away as possible.
Zelensky is crucial for Russia to conquer all the territory Putin wants to conquer... Never interrupt your enemy when he's doing something stupid.
yes. With Zelenskiy Russia has a reason to go to Odessa. After all, the Statue of Katherina the Great is waiting to get erected again.
And EU and the "Willing" will be very happy to have Russia as a neighbor to Romania and Moldavia... because of their Special Peace Plans.
Elena, I too agree that a Civil War would help Russia, and maybe, in the long run, the surviving Ukrainians. They certainly have many just causes, including: $billions in corruption and Capital flight, the Press Ganging of any male with a pulse etc. Question is "by whom" ? With Budanov's thugs and perhaps 200k Azov types safely ensconced in the rear, I guess any signs of an insurrection would be brutally quashed at the first signs. The only possibility imho is the revolt by the massed, armed troops at the front, doing an abrupt about turn. But, as I mentioned above, they would be opposed by the better armed Nazis unless Russia came to their aid.
a civil war would bring death and suffering to the innocent.
The "Budanov's thugs and 200k Azov types" exist on western money infusions. They are the bought hands.
Unfortunately, the mega-thieves like Zelinsky, Kolomojsky, Melnick, Yermak, Reznikov, et al. will use their money to protect their wealth in Ukraine by forming and funding bands of armed thugs there.
However, who knows, perhaps the mega-thieves would prefer to flee hastily abroad when the Russian Army approaches Kiev and Lvov or even sooner.
FWIW: you're right except for the "run out of patience" claim. This is how a "war of attrition" works. The Ukrainians have finally been "attrited".
Why "fear a coup by Ukrainian hardline nationalists, a possible assassination of Zelenskyy"? that would be a great development. I do hope a coup begins ASAP and they all kill each other in the process. Less work for the Russian army to do. No Nazi = No Problem.
As for the Trump's "piss plan" -- either he is a total idiot or he is surrounded by total imbeciles (or most likely both!), but to give birth to yet another drivel like those 28 points and believe the "dumb russkies" will be stupid enough to seriously consider it.... Wow! And I thought only Zelenski and his European buddies were on cocaine?!
Ukraine needs either peace or a major shot in the arm. Otherwise, Trump will be the one who "loses Ukraine".
The plan is intended to be unacceptable, thus mousetrapping Trump into escalating.
A coup would solve the deadlock as good as an Oreshnik right on Bankova.
It is a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia. So many dead, so much destroyed and so much money used up for nothing other than make MIC fat.
People in City of London, or rather the Islands they occupy in Bahamas, on the other hand sees their account swell with billions. Same for US and China.
People should know their real enemies.
I do not understand after 4 years so many in the west are still clueless. There is not a single person in Ukraine, Nazi or otherwise who actually give a shit about Ukraine without the U.S. pumping billions upon billions into every sector of this totally corrupt former Soviet Republic. Even the famous Nazi's will disperse throughout Europe and the US IF the billions stop coming. The Oligarchs have raped whatever was left of Ukraine's resources. Since 2014 the US is responsible for everything in Ukraine. Since the US took over Ukraine sovereignty, Ukraine has been the worst economy in Europe, the worst in demographics, and on and on.
"I do not understand after 4 years so many in the west are still clueless."
Read the pap pumped out by the MSM and you will understand. Remember that even a lot of fairly intelligent people still rely on The Economist and the Financial Times for their news and "analysis".
The Jew does not care how many goyim die. I am sick of you retard who use Nazi because you are so brainwashed by the Jew you can’t even see the obvious.
So what, it works.
I think you are mistaken. There are quite some who committed fully to the notion of Ukrainian supremacy. These are the people who were killing Ukrainians for not being enough nationalistic in Poland between main world wars of 20. century. The hatred is real and it will not cease when the money flow is gone. How big chunk of the population has this hatred incorporated into their soul and body I do not know. The fact however is there are plenty of them that are like this.
It is already unclear who exactly is in charge of Ukraine. My bets are the CIA and MI6 (US/UK) same as it ever was... Chip
If Zelensky is assassinated, he won’t be able to put in an emotional cameo appearance in the Hollywood version. And poor Sean Penn—the hands down favorite to star in the role of the New Winston Churchill—will be left standing all alone as the curtain rings down on Project Ukraine.
Avoided only by solving the Jew problem
You fear a coup? But wouldn't that simplify and clarify everything? This disgusting and minimally attended cult of Elensky as "One Man [who] Can Change The World" wouldn't have to admit that their hero was a scumbag; he would graduate to martyrdom, and his replacements could hardly expect to inherit songs from Five For Fighting and syrupy paeans from Hugh Hewitt. And the end -- the patient advance of Russia and the liquidation of fashisti -- would be the same anyway.
"I fear a coup by Ukrainian hardline nationalists"
That's what happened in 2014 when the US destroyed the elected government of Ukraine and put an unelected junta of hardline nationalists in charge. They're still in charge and Zelensky is their frontman.
They'll get rid of Zelensky only when he stops delivering more billions for the Nazis to skim, and then when that happens they'll hop on their private jets and fly off to their villas and estates in resort areas in the US, the Middle East and around the Med.
Hey Simplicius do you think another terrible reason Europe/NATO is keeping the war going is to kill off the Ukrainian population. For fear of having to provide for them as refugees as their budgets are increasingly tight. The 2nd reason is that many Ukrainians would remain and be absorbed into the Russian state. So better to have them die than join the Russian army and pay taxes to Moscow.
The basic thoughts of the western elite:
- the corruption must continue
- Russia must bleed
- $€£ must be generated
- white slavic lives dont matter
That sums up what we’re seeing.
“white slavic lives dont matter”
I’d say that’s not entirely accurate. It’s more like human life (and life in general, plants, animals too) don’t matter. Any American, European, British or Australian who thinks their lives might be spared in the elite’s fight for its interest, because of the passport they own, is very wrong. I have the great privilege of having been born in Spain, where history gave us the most shocking lesson about what it means to be under these people.
>- white slavic lives dont matter
Snow niggers on both sides
aka "Wiggers"
No, "wigger" is a white person trying to act black. Very different meaning
I stand corrected. Thanks GM
"Snow nigger" derives from "sand nigger", which was coined in order to characterize the attitude of Americans towards the Arabs they were bombing and murdering on the ground in the Middle East.
Then people realized it's not all that much different with Russians. Long before Americans started bombing Russians.
Which today is a daily occurence, just like it was in the Middle East.
Yes it has taken the Russians a very long time to realise they are seen as Third World people.
Rather like the British attitude to the Irish in centuries past.
I dunno, when I lived in Ukraine (2004-2012) it was the fashion, even among Kiev yuppies, to denigrate all things western.
The moment membership in The Club was dangled out, all was forgotten, all was forgiven!
This is a key aspect not many people think about. There are a number of reasons for why the powers that be want to get rid of slavic, Russian-speaking men. Its not a bug, its a feature. As you said, who wants to care for them? Also, many would just become assets for Russia in the long run. Thirdly, an empty Ukraine in the hands of the west would leave room for a new demographic: a third world servant class governed by inhabitants of the heavenly Jerusalem project...all in a Blackrock-owned GMO paradise. Lastly, anyone who gets stuck with providing care for Ukraine and/or Ukrainians is in for an enormous cost over many decades. Just compare with the massive dent it put in Germanys budget to integrate the fallen DDR... Taking Odessa in order to control the Black Sea might be a good idea, but either Ukraine has to remain a neutral but independently viable state that can finance and maintain its own population, through trade going through Odessa, or a Galician rump state has to be dumped in EUs lap, leaving Ursula with the bill... Feels like a complex balancing act...
Yep, a landlocked rump of a country remaining fully dependent on EU welfare, full of angry Nazi amputees, totally defanged with no military capability. Semi-contained from the RF side with a DMZ.
They're trying to drive down the price of Ukrainian prostitutes.
Not entirely tongue-in-cheek, the bastards behind pushing Ukraine into a war they never could win really are that evil.
Here in England they're all over fb in sponsored ads, pretty, pneumatic young things looking for 40 - 50 year old men.
I haven't heard "pneumatic" as a descriptor of females since Brave New World.
That's where I nicked it from Casey.
"pneumatic young things..."
Plus 10 Simon...tip-top...
I think you get it a bit wrong. Many of those Ukrainians are going to miss a limb, suffer from PTSD and all kinds of other creepy damage.
It's seen as advantageous to dump them on Russia, because they will be draining Russian resources, not western.
There is a very cynical aspect of what's happening and if you think about it, there's a strongly visible "eugenics" part of the conflict. Certain groups are propected and certain other groups (mainly minorities) are the ones mobilized first.
Yes but how many former soldiers would want to remain fearful of reprisals. When Germany is so close with some of the best healthcare in the world.
Unless they committed something they know they shouldn't have done, they don't need to fear reprisals.
And Germany will kick them out, eventually.
One of the results of this conflict will be strong mutual hatred between westerners and Ukrainians.
The West sees Ukrainian as Russians, so every dead Ukrainian is a dead Russian too, and thus a win.
The Ukrainians are way too dumb to understand it. Even the ones that have spent quite some time in the West and have thus certainly had the repeated opportunity to be mistaken for a Russian, have not connected the dots.
I suspect that they do not care, as long as they get to be junior members of the club.
The Polish mentality is quote similar.
Since there are millions of Ukrainian refugees in europe right now, the europeans sure have a strange way of going about it.
Could be millions more? So they could be thinking if they feed Vlad how can they feed their beloved Ahmed. It’s just my thought. The euros ain’t us they just can’t print infinite dollars.
and I promise to never drink again…here we have it, most EU countries have a professional army and badly need new youngbloods as volunteers, see in France, Germany and others. The main reason for this is, when I go back to my military service, 1 in 2 are alcoholics or regular drug users. New contingencies must take the bullets first, the pro’s have fought their wars too long behind a desk, now they’re called AI’s or liquor stores.
Recruitment levels have dropped across the board, and for reasons that aren’t hard to understand. Many Europeans feel their governments have mishandled immigration policy and ignored public concerns.
We have three plans or rather a EU, Russian complete surrender plan, the original 28 point Witkoff&Dmietriev plan and now a Rubio instigated a chopped up non-disclosed 19 point plan.
I dont trust Rubio.
Now they say that Driscoll (Vance friend) and Budanov sits in Abu Dhabi and do negotiations together with Witkoff&Putin in Moscow. Hope they dont talk over phone…
Deep State in USA, UK, EU is doing all they can to sabotage this.
For some reason the peace plan chatter reminds of some lines in TS Eliot:
“… Or as when an underground train, in the tube, stops too long between stations
And the conversation rises and slowly fades into silence
And you see behind every face the mental emptiness deepen
Leaving only the growing terror of nothing to think about”
The terror is: "What's wrong?" The longer the silence, the higher the terror.
More click bait- the posturing will go on til winter creates so much agony that the oppressed Ukrainians will beg for mercy - unless on the pre-decided Anglo-American agenda no mercy will be allowed.
War Fever - I remember when this started - planned way ahead of time the US was awash in Ukrainian flags which appeared everywhere in the US as if by magic, bakeries serving up Ukrainian flag decorated pastries overnight, anti-Russian sentiment stirred up forcing Russian restaurants to close or create a new name overnight, Russian composers eliminated from orchestral performances, people afraid to speak Russian. War euphoria - mmm years have now passed Ukraine lies in tatters- the world playing out a proxy WWiII- evil has accelerated, no regard for the devastation of a unique country- 21st century more barbaric than ever given that at this point in time diplomacy should be an option and should have been from the start. NATO is the problem every country should resign from NATO en masse and go back to running their countries for their citizens best interests not for the Anglo-Americans for whom they are just pawns. Russia is willing to do business with all of NATO countries, peace is possible. Once peace is established have elections and remove all of your war monger leaders willing to send your children to war, ruin your economies further and ensure you never have grandchildren if the Covid vaccine hasn’t already destroyed your children’s fertility death in combat surely will.
Don't forget the cats. Banning Russian cats from international competitions.
You don't mess with Russian people and their cats.
One of the supposed virtues of international sports is that people can compete on the playing field, instead of dying on the battlefield. Yet one of the first thing they did was to ban Russia / Russian athletes. The optics look so bad that they then said.. ok Russians can still compete, but no national flag, no national anthem if they win. F*** them. It really showed the level of control that the deep state had over most of the pan-national organisations like the Olympic council etc.
I play chess on Chess.com, or rather, I used to. When the SMO started, all the Russian accounts had their flags turned to grey patches. Of note: Israelis still have their shitty flag flying. The hypocrisy is thick.
The Jew should be banned as it is the ultimate pariah state.
zionism and judaism must be banned worldwide to protect young children from becoming the heartless and shameless whiners, sadists, and genociders
The Americans started this War and Lost.Now they pretend to be a Mediator between Ukraine,the Country they control,and Russia.
You just can't make this shit up ,unless of course you are DJT and his Deep Neocon Swamp Creature's.
nothing is more educational about current US behavior than reading Kol Nidre, a thrice declared command during yomkippur:
"All vows, prohibitions, oaths, bans, renunciations, penalties, or invocations of the divine by which we have vowed, sworn, renounced, or foresworn anything from this Yom Kippur to an auspicious next Yom Kippur, we repent of them all. We repudiate them. All of them are undone, abandoned, cancelled, null and void, not in force, and not in effect. Our vows are no longer vows, and our prohibitions are no longer prohibitions, and our oaths are no longer oaths." -- And this is how they create monsters out of children.
Judaism is not strong on honorable behavior.
Get out of guilt free card through repudiation or cause I said so- let’s send them to Catholic schools in the 50’s for 12 years to inculcate a guilty conscience and a sense of remorse. Not ideal but preferable to being such base animals. Even animals are more moral than this cult.
There is no clash of civilizations IMO.
It's Ukro/EU Barbarism/Fascism against the 'new world' civilization; say BRICS and all who are tired of western hegemony and neocolonialism.
Civilization always wins over barbarism in the end since barbarism is anti human in it's core and everyone knows that, even if it comes as a gut feeling only.
You mean like the civilized abstentions of Russia and China in the UN to the Gaza “peace plan”.
Or how both are pledging $$$ to the Syrian Al Quaeda headchopper government to rebuild the country after having done exactly nothing for over ten years to improve the material conditions of that country under supposed ally Al Assad?
I like to think of it as "dealing with reality".
But, were I to be a dreamer, I fully agree with your point.
FWIW: Frank is wrong about 'Civilization always wins". But then that depends on how you define "winning". In the long run, I guess if anyone survives the coming nuclear war, civilization will "win".
So we have “brics civilization” until we need to have some hardcore Realpolitik, right? That means we have the latter indeed.
And what’s so cool about civilization? The Aztecs were very civilized peoples and slaughtered 10.000s of people yearly to eat, as cattle.
>hardcore Realpolitik
Hardcore Realpolitik would have been to pump up Syria with air defense and ballistic missiles, provide it with fuel and food, clear the US and Turkey out of the territory, and have Syria punish Israel hard every time it attacks.
Kind of like what the West is trying to do in Ukraine
What was done instead, and is still being done, was just directly working for the Israelis against the interests of Russia and China a "hardcore Realpolitik" approach would have defended.
Because here is the elephant in the room that barely any of the analysts ever dare touch:
The long-term interests of countries as a whole and the interests of their ruling elites do not necessarily coincide, in fact they usually don't. And they can be as divergent as to be directly opposed. But it's the elites that make the decisions.
That simple insight explains everything about Russia's actions in the last 40 years
P.S. It has always been the case that elites rule in the interests of elites and that traitors existed at the highest level, but for much of human history elite wealth and power was directly proportional to those of the state as a whole, because wealth and power derived from land and people as a linear function. But that is not the case in the modern world, so the phenomenon of elites working directly against their own country is much more widespread.
Remember that at its most basic semantic level civilisation just means the move towards the population concentrating in “civitas” (civitai? Not sure about the Latin), ie, cities. That’s all. It seems the term accrued a lot of positive associations throughout history. But any tale about the dealings of westerners with “uncivilised” natives, say the Cherokee for instance, will bring some unexpected debunking of this constellation of meanings. Civilisation, and cleverness in general (not intelligence, which is a different thing) is a he ultimate cause of our potential destruction as a species.
much depends on the definition of 'civilisation'. European colonists were considered barbarians everywhere they set foot, while the Europeans called everyone else uncivilised barbarians. "and never the twain shall meet" :-((
Remember that fool Josep Borrell: “Europe is a garden. We have built a garden. Everything works… Most of the rest of the world is a jungle, and the jungle could invade the garden.” The arrogant POS
Please help me out here, what has the Gaza 'peace plan' to do with civilized approach of the Palestinian question? It's just more rabid neocolonialism with a massive shot of blatant racism inclusive.
Of course they abstained, I think it was a wise thing to do.
"exactly nothing" is a great deal if you would like to consider the Russian soldiers that died for Syria/ Assad, the costs of Russia saving Assad's ass since 2015 militarily.
It's not only unfair what you are saying here, it's factual nonsense.
That Assad was unable to reign in his corrupt military leadership is not Russia or China's fault, I would argue.
Russia deals with the Taliban and promised help as well. It's what you prefer, US help wit bombs and terror or Russian/Chinese help with directing the help at the people - and that's why you have to talk with the 'government' aka 'head shoppers' as well.