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Kennewick Man's avatar

Still a lot better than the Dresden bombing was.

Kennewick Man's avatar

I am simply trying to be pragmatic here. Ukraine presented a relative low casualty rate around a dozen or less. This means the Russians did their best to avoid unnecessary killing of civilians. Even if half of Ukraine’s population goes without electricity for a month or two during the winter and people will die the numbers will be likely in the low thousands as simple oil/gas heaters will substitute at most places. I am still looking at the Ukraine population as a victim in this conflict. The majority opposed to go into this war; they were dragged, manipulated and kicked into the conflict. The 10,000+ Ukraine soldiers left in that trap at Pokrovsk makes me extremely suspicious. It is like Zelensky is trying to lower the competition for ((you know who)) once the war is over. In comparison to the bombing of German and Japanese cities during WWII the civilian casualties are negligible in Ukraine.

Luis Gómez de Aranda's avatar

In fact, the Ukrainians voted overwhelmingly for Zelensky, who presented himself as a candidate for peace and dialogue opposed to Poroshenko, who exhibited unhinged russophobic sentiments.

I think that Zelensky was sincere and wanted in fact peace and dialogue with Russia, but could be threatened by Western actors, who controll the violent fringe in Ukraine, to follow the path of war.

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Saint Jimmy's avatar

You nailed it. He was always for war. US and Uk wouldn't let anyone else be president.

gorgonaut's avatar

Luis is right, its not a secret that they openly threatened him after the election

https://euromaidanpress.com/2019/05/23/ukrainian-civil-society-outlines-red-lines-president-zelenskyi-cant-cross/

Absolutely no talking to the Russians without the western partners being involved. Clean out subversive pro russian elements at home and finish the seperatists. Who knows what was truly in his heart or if the western backers ever thought the Russkies would ever actually invade but this part is fact

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gorgonaut's avatar

He was in favor of staying in power why can't that be enough. You can do that by appealing to the voters sometimes but its incompatible with being overthrown or the voters turning against you due to aid being withdrawn and the shiny incentive of eventual EU membership - what all these Maidan people protested for - being snatched away in an instant

Opport Knocks's avatar

Disagree.

That Zelensky's campaign was sponsored by Ihor Kolomoisky, the media owner and broadcaster of his TV show, "Servant of the People", is a commonly known fact. As is Kolomoisky's feud with Poroshenko over the nationalization of the Privat Bank which he controlled, and his removal as Governor of the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.

I believe the Zelensky "peace campaign" was genuine and Kolomoisky believed peace would be better for his various business interests than war.

Recall also, Zelensky's post election visit to Azov where he told them he wanted them to lay down arms. He was promptly told what would happen if he tried that. Why would he risk that if it was not genuine?

Zelensky is an actor and adapted to the new script quickly.

Kolomoisky is now in jail (allegedly, or at least neutralized) and has had more assets in Ukraine confiscated, all of which happened after Biden/Nuland returned.

Tim's avatar

The whole point of the operation was always to get Russia to invade, so it could be derussified and balkanized.

gorgonaut's avatar

You have to accept that even intelligence agencies and strategic planners aren't gods who can see the future. Maybe they thought at best they could get was a Vietnam type situation where Russia would find itself drawn in more and more with advisors, volunteers, money and weapons. Remember that the war probably wouldn't have happened without the failed color revolution in Belorus in 2020 which allowed the Russians to station troops there and gave them an option of a 2 pronged attack including a rush for the capital from the northern border with belorus instead of just slogging through Donbas which came close but ultimately failed due to their own intelligence issues

Norma Bown's avatar

yes. if we could put this all into two halves of a walnut shell, it would be: Objective: carving up Russia to share among our hyena pack; means: war by proxy.

BG13's avatar

why? He got a job as actor. Well paid. With the duty to act whatever the script writers submit. His own agenda was/is limited to being well paid and being celebrated.

Tim's avatar

No jew is ever sincere.

If you see their mouths moving, you know they are lying.

Peter Joy's avatar

To be fair, that doesn’t apply to Professor Jeffrey Sachs.

Politugal's avatar

Incorrect. Zelensky was a western puppet since the beginning. His name was on the Pandora papers for a reason. If he was threatened at first, he had every opportunity to stop the war before 2022, by implementing Minsk, which he never did and in Istambul 2022. He chose not to and always sided with the west in every way. Today he just sends thousands of his own people to die and issues orders for them to not retreat and just be slaughtered. Zelensky is a nazi dictator that will do whatever it takes to fill his pockets and continue serving the west's interests. There is no way anyone can excuse this piece of trash for what he did.

Karla M LaZier's avatar

Zelensky an opportunist who sold out his fellow citizens. He is corrupt and has properties all over the world paid for by skimming off billions our government ‘ gave’ him - no oversight just print the greenbacks and keep

them coming - no accountability - payola for decimating his country. Evil

man. While his citizens freeze ours will starve.

Dhdh's avatar

zelensky is a jew - Ukrainians are not fellow citizens but goyim to use.

Hussein Hopper's avatar

I am sincere just like zelensky and have a bridge to sell you.

korkyrian's avatar

A lot of quite intelligent people in the West have read the situation wrongly, even today, a significant number of Westerners in influential positions are not accepting the idea that Ukraine cannot win in a proxy war, that West cannot win, i.e. that Ukraine will either choose neutrality or cease to exist as a political entity.

It is not surprising that Zelensky had bought into the theory that with enough support of the West and resolute determination of Ukraine Russia could be defeated.

Zelensky was a peacenik, initially, but believed that Putin is just like him, or Poroshenko, (something GM believes, so it goes beyond Ukraine and the West).

If Putin is a corrupt politician, like Ukrainian politicians are, and if sincere, determined but somewhat mad extreme Ukrainian nationalists are the real thing, once again after 80 years being recognised as powerful proxies by a major Western power willing to fight Russia, victory is just around the corner.

Somehow Putin rose to the challenge, and Russian General Staff, and Russian government, and first and foremost, the Russians themselves.

GM will be sad, Putin has shown himself to be a real Russian leader, not a puppet of corrupt ring of oligarchs, or a foreign agent.

Zelensky misjudged Putin. Zelensky is intelligent, but does not have strategic education essential for a national leader in troubled times.

West misjudged Putin.

As Brian Brletic likes to point out, strategic sequencing is the name, US is pausing the conflict, leaving the conflict in the hands of Europeans, until Putin's death.

Putin has two tasks now, to fight a war, prepare for a potential war with NATO, as well as prepare Russia for a postPutin period.

Dhdh's avatar

Brian Brletic is a fool or a tool of the jew as he will not admit the jew runs zion don and the use.... he is also a sex tourist in asia....

korkyrian's avatar

Dhdh

what exactly did Brian Brletic said that is foolish or wrong.

Dhdh's avatar

he argues the us is not controlled by the jew and gets angry whenever he is called out about it…

Kennewick Man's avatar

'Somehow Putin rose to the challenge, and Russian General Staff, and Russian government, and first and foremost, the Russians themselves.'

I was fully expected this from day one of this conflict although it was clear after the pull back from Kiev that Russian armed forces were absolutely unprepared. This war can end only two possible ways: A Russian victory or a nuclear war.

korkyrian's avatar

Kennewick

Strange but, yes, Hesgeth is telling the truth, US is FAFOing Ukraine and Europe now.

What Hesgeths do not understand is the FO part.

Norma Bown's avatar

sorry. I agree he was "pushed" to the war position by his pals in NATO and the US especially, but once there, he has enriched himself no end. To stop now is to set the people upon him as the unfortunate Yanukovich was beset by the mobs manipulated by the west. Zelensky has zero sympathy, nor do I shed a tear for his Paris shopping spree wifie.

Jesterus The Catificator's avatar

Honestly, I dunno where you were, but he was a very transparent fraud and there wasn't a single thing about him not ringing an alarm bell.

M Steck's avatar

I read awhile back that shortly after his election, Zelensky visited the Donbas front and met with Azov leaders. He told them that he had been elected by the people to seek peace with Donbas and the Russians. They replied that if he continued with that plan then he would have a very short presidency, i.e., he would be swinging from the nearest lamp post. He quickly got religion.

Meredith Hobbs's avatar

There is a video clip of a bit of that meeting, where the Azov guys tell him what's what, IIRC.

Phil's avatar

There's also a video of elensky in a meeting where he laughs about "Russian kids not making it to the school basement in time before Ukrainian artillery rounds land in the schoolyard."

He's not exactly a jew who rejects evil.

Tim's avatar

jews are the genetic descendants of Cain, who was the first jew, and the son of Lucifer and Eve - and the first murderer.

jews rejoice in evil - it is intrinsic to their nature.

Tim's avatar

Anybody who imagines that anyone is "elected by the people" in Ukraine is several standard deviations to the left of normal intelligence.

Zelenskyy's previous incarnation as the "Servant of the People" in the TV series was entirely predicated on his future role as the servant of a very specific group of people, as exemplified by the Nudelman - Kagan axis of evil.

This axis never sought peace in Ukraine, but a sword.

Meredith Hobbs's avatar

Except his oligarch backer, Igor Kolomoiskey, also funded the neoNazi Azov & Aidar militias that started making war on the Donbass in 2014.

Yuri's avatar

The hatred for Russia in Ukraine at the start of the war was obvious. The hatred for everything Russian there was there before even Donbass antiterrorist operation started. Those who were silent aren't that innocent. They reap what they saw.

Politugal's avatar

Exactly and we see that on social media, as the so called "normal" ukrainians celebrate terrorist attacks against Russia. Most ukrainians are nazis, with the epicenter of nazism in Ukraine being the center and especially western parts of the country. Only in eastern Ukraine, the people Russia went in to save, are people actually normal for the most part.

Tim's avatar

Banderism is a big thing in those areas you mention.

It is effectively state policy, and thus the unresolved antagonism between the Polish government and the Kiev junta.

Politugal's avatar

The poles, or at least the polish government, is another western tool. They are literally supporting the same scum that slaughtered them a few decades ago. There are no lows that the western scum won't go to.

Tim's avatar

Their Achilles Heel is the fact that they performed the very same genocide on ethnic Germans back in 1939, as in the Bromberg Massacre. They were then slaughtered in their turn by the Ukrainian Banderites at Volyn.

Kennewick Man's avatar

I guess burning like 40 Russians alive in Odessa was a clear illustration of that.

MR HOWARD S MARKS's avatar

Oil and Gas burners that when not starting fires which they will they cause respiratory conditions from pollution especially among kids and old people.

Kennewick Man's avatar

I used oil, coal and gas heaters through my life and still hanging around.

Tim's avatar

The jews aren't involved in Russia's actions in Ukraine, as the jews were behind the Dresden situation.

Not only did they firebomb the city, they also strafed the survivors as they tried to reach the river to escape the flames.

Angelina's avatar

Did you forget Nulad, etc.?

Tim's avatar

Nuland / Kagan is the force behind the assault on the RF.

As I understand it, they hate Russia because it sided with Egypt and Syria in the Yom Kippur War, which almost destroyed "Israel."

Israel is better described as jewistan, though, as the entity has precisely nothing to do with Israel or the Hebrews.

It is a political construct, not a religious one.

If it were based on religious ideology, the inhabitants would call themselves Israelites - whereas they describe themselves as "Israelis."

They omit the "T" as it is the sign of the cross, which they hate and despise.

Peter Joy's avatar

Not to mention Hamburg, Berlin, Cologne, Caen, Monte Cassino and a thousand other European towns and cities.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Just bomb the ever-lovin' fuck out of these people. I'm not a mean man but I have no sympathy for "ukrainians" or "western elites". I have no sympathy for israel, either. I'm old. My country is rapidly deteriorating. Like many Americans, I have no fucks left to give.

George Roscher's avatar

Brilliantly said I feel exactly the same

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Thanks. I’m sure there are others.

BKrome's avatar

What goes around, comes around. Be careful what you wish for. The Ukrainian people aren't the western elites. No more than you or I are the 'western elites'. They have no materiel say in what their regime says and does.

Your country in an internal low intensity conflict waged upon you by your oligarchs and those that control them. Pushing and prodding for a collapse. How very dialectic of them.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

I used to think that. I no longer believe it.

Marledonna's avatar

Which part you no longer believe? The fact that the population of Ukraine has no say, or the oligarchs and those who control them?

I actually think the oligarchs are in control

Saint Jimmy's avatar

I think much of the ukrainian population supports the war and is fascist… much like israel and like ww2 germany.

Luis Gómez de Aranda's avatar

The overuse of the term "fascist" obscures the mind and it is a sign of laziness.

The Ukrainians are what other peoples are. Easily manipulated.

Morally a mixture of brutal egoism and charity, as most humans are.

In fact, not worse than Americans or Europeans.

This conflict has been manufactured by a very distinctive cabal, which can not be called Ukrainian.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

blah blah blah. There are no good Germans.

Politugal's avatar

It's really not laziness, it's fact. Zelensky is a well known western puppet since the start, since he was "elected". His name appeared on the Pandora papers, not because he was looking towards ukrainian interests, but rather western interests, that filled his pockets with blood money. He was "elected" to reach peace and immediately did the opposite. He also had multiple opportunities to stop what he was doing and actually reach an agreement with the russians. He always sided with the west in every way possible and destroyed every single opportunity to stop the war. And most ukrainians supported Zelensky in every step. On social media, many celebrate the terrorists attacks against Russia and these are the so called "normal" ukrainians. I agree that ukrianians were brainwashed, but nazism / fascism is very much alive in Ukraine for many decades and it was cultivated and made stronger by western interference, including by Zelensky, which most ukrainians supported, even after he went back on his "election promises". You really cannot claim to be a "democracy", while excusing yourself for supporting a dictator and supporting war. That's the typical north american and european position, that simply doesn't make sense.

Frank Sailor's avatar

There can't be an overuse of the term fascist since it is what it is.

Americans and Europeans are living through imperialism turning fascism at the moment.

It's unavoidable in the current system because the intrinsic contradictions are not longer to handle by 'liberal democracy', what is a stupid term to begin with.

Humans are not born with brutal egoism and charity, they are raised and socialized that way in the west. That's why we have mental problems in all so called 'developed nations' because people feel this can't be correct, this is not how we want to be.

Soujourner's avatar

There is no point in arguing with a self-confessed 'old man' who's mantra 'is destroy everything', I'm gonna die soon.

Entitled, selfish, lazy-thinking American.

John Galtsky's avatar

The majority of the Ukrainian population was and is ethnically Russian, speaks Russian as a native language and is pro-Russia. Unlucky for them, except for Crimea and Donbass (which almost lost its fight and lost half of its territory), they could not stand up to six billion dollars of US money, mountains of US weapons, and the direct assistance of thousands of US military personnel to the vicious Nazi minority that the US installed in power in 2014.

One man with a machine gun can control dozens of unarmed people, and that's exactly how throughout history heavily armed minorities have conquered and controlled far larger populations that were unarmed. The US/Nazi conquest in 2014/2015 of a peaceful Ukraine that by overwhelming margins had voted against extremist viciousness and US hegemony is one such example.

What is striking (and also unreported in the West) is the extreme violence of the US/Nazi seizure of power. In Odessa, for example, they burned alive 47 people who peacefully protested against the Nazis in Kiev. The US/Nazi regime in Kiev launched a war against all regions that resisted their seizure of power, bombing civilian populations (the US/Nazi regime had seized the air force) with cluster munitions on bombing missions controlled by US AWACS aircraft. In regions that it conquered the Nazi regime rounded up and "disappeared" 50,000 people who protested the regime. As the four mainland regions regained their territory (over half of Donbass was conquered by the US/Nazi regime with the direct assistance and participation of US and US stooge forces), numerous mass graves were discovered that held typically 100 to 300 civilian bodies each. French doctors who donated their time to documenting what was found in those graves discovered many atrocities, such as pregnant women being raped and then bayonetted and shot. All of the spent cartridges at such mass graves were NATO caliber, not Russian caliber.

It's true that since 2014 there has been a demographic and social shift within the territory seized by the US/Nazi regime. With over 400 billion dollars in resources and direct funding poured into the regime even after much of it was stolen there still remained many billions to be used for propaganda and social engineering, including social engineering at gunpoint. The regime has tried to eliminate all use of Russian and children and young people have been brainwashed using Nazi techniques perfected in the Third Reich. So yes, now there is indeed a much larger proportion of the Ukrainian population that believes the Nazi narrative.

But is it the majority? Anecdotal evidence and skimming of hundreds of millions of social media posts that the regime does not control indicates that Nazi supporters remain a minority. Of people who do have a political opinion the great majority still neither supports the war nor the regime. It's the same majority that "voted" (if you can call such a rigged process an "election") Zelensky into power based on his promised platform of ending war with Donbass and respecting the rights of Ukraine's ethnic Russian majority.

Given all the migration out of Ukraine it's not clear if ethnic Russians are still the majority in Ukraine, and given the draconian punishments for speaking Russian it's not clear if native Russian speakers ("ethnic Russians" or not) are still the majority. Native Russian speakers are still by a wide margin the majority of the regime in Kiev (Zelensky, Yermak, Budanov and almost all of the others are native Russian speakers).

For all that it's also clear that many Ukrainians who care about politics have already left the country. Over five million Ukrainians have migrated to Russia, which is the country to which the largest number of Ukrainians have migrated as a result of the war. Those obviously have been motivated primarily by politics and societal considerations since they're not paid to migrate to Russia the way the EU pays Ukrainians (via extremely generous benefits) to migrate to the EU. When a Ukrainian migrates to Russia they get free help finding a job but they don't get a cash card: if they don't work they don't get a free living from the state.

In contrast, the EU hands out cash cards and other generous benefits that amount to a higher "paycheck" than the average annual income in Ukraine. While costs are higher in the EU it's still the case that the very attractive financial benefits for Ukrainian "refugees" in the EU have attracted many people who don't give a shit about politics in addition to those who are just sick of war and also in addition to those who do have political reasons for leaving Ukraine, such as being fed up with pervasive corruption.

The bottom line in all the above is that it is wildly wrong to suggest that "much of the ukrainian population supports the war and is fascist". There are certainly areas, such as around Lvov, the Nazi heartland, where that is true but equally certainly the assertion is not true for Ukraine overall.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Good response but definitely not convincing. None of your evidence is solid and there is also anecdotal evidence supporting the opposite opinion. Many Russians, for example, will tell you that the majority in western ukraine definitely supported the Maiden and the continued attacks and shelling for 8 years…. 8 years and DID NOTHING. Sorry but they can suffer and reap what they’ve sewn.

Angelina's avatar

You have no idea to what surreal degree Ukrainians let themselves to be propagandized against Russia/Russians. The responsibility for letting yourself be propagandized like that, is each person own responsibility. We CHOSE what we believe in.

Vade Retro's avatar

i fear it's a more subtle thing, at least my east-european gut tells me that:

1. heavy propaganda -> ppl are like 'these fuckers want to drag us into a war with russia' to which mostly are opposed

2. a somehow ridiculous/inoffensive candidate appears ->ppl are like 'what this dick playin piano clown can do at worst? steal which he probably wants but for sure this wanker doesn't even dream at fighting russia of all, let's vote for him; at worst we'll be entertained while he steals but no war and shit.'

3. once chosen surprise surprise actually war *is* in the cards but at this point people can do fuck all about the situation short of civil war which again, at this point is impossible for the rule of law being in fact abolished and society militarized etc

and we find ourselves in the situation in which the people can't do anything while being brainwashed 24/7.

Angelina's avatar

I'm originally from Ukraine, left shortly before the USSR disintegrated. I was shocked to see to what degree my old friends in Ukraine were brainwashed. Some, only now begin "seeing the light," how Ukraine was screwed by the West. Some, just dig their heels and continue hate the "cursed Moskals."

People are responsible for own brains/beliefs. Just to say, "omg, they brainwashed me" - after Communism, in which tons of people believed, everybody knows the power of propaganda. It's not an excuse anymore "they made me believe in..." Nope!

Marledonna's avatar

Let me respond to both your comments (this one and below) by saying you may chose what you believe in, but most cannot.

There is a lottery in life and it is the lottery of birth. You cannot chose your genes, nor the people that are going to raise you and educate you (education is also not free of propagandizing societies). Hence, you have little influence on your character, your capabilities and your intelligence. Most people are not that smart (again, not their fault), they may not have the capability of critical thinking, or understanding the complex society we are living in. And once your life has been put on a certain track or path, it is very difficult to deviate from that track into a different direction.

But the majority is actually not the problem. The problem are those that know about the many flaws we humans have and they use them to manipulate large amount of people. Look up Edward Bernays for example and the book "Propaganda" or Anne Morelli and the book "Principes élémentaires de propagande de guerre".

Most humans are emotional 'animals' (fear, anger) and once triggered, most will stop thinking logically and rationally. Many start believing lies if they are just told often enough. Humans also have the tendency to store the first information in the long term memory of the brain (beheaded babies, Russiagate, mail server hack), but the information that debunks the previous information or exposes the lie, is not stored in the long term memory. This is all know to those that want to manipulate people for their own agenda (Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Tonkin incident, WMD, ...)

And sometimes people strongly believe they are not lying, as they are convinced of what they say is true.

Let me repeat the quote that I used before:

"Once subversion succeeds, even exposure of the truth won’t reverse it, as the population rejects facts that contradict their reprogrammed worldview."

-Yuri Bezmenov

Angelina's avatar

@Marledonna - I do not deny the validity of your argument. My own family sincerely believed in communism, and so did I as a teen. Some of the most educated people I know on both continents, believed in communism, regardless of the realities/facts they faced. I've seen over and over, how hard people clutch to their false beliefs beyond reason or logic. Look now at what's happening in the US, a portion of people, who originally believed in the "saint Ukraine," changed their beliefs based on logic and facts that come to light, but another part of population, hold on to their propaganda-induced beliefs basically for the heck of it.

Knowing how propaganda works, acknowledging its power, it's our personal responsibility to examine our beliefs about many things we're "so sure about," because there are tons of people/structures ready to mess up with our brains. Sanitizing your own brain, is every person's responsibility, not leaving it to "nature/nurture" but if we don't take control of own brain, someone else will.

E H's avatar

103 / 5 000

Hallelujah, he has seen the light. Of course, now we're talking about the new oligarchs born under the SVO.

Damear's avatar

"The Ukrainian people" were celebrating loudly when Ukraine blew up power lines to the Crimea; "ex-Soviet, Russian-speaking" babushkas in Kiev were happy plucking out cobblestones during maidan for the demonstrators to hurl at riot police. So let them have a taste of their own medicine. Maybe they will learn something (most likely not, though)

Dhdh's avatar

the jew problem....

voza0db's avatar

Didn't they "revolt" in 2014?!

Just do the same in say... 2026.

Tim's avatar

It will cost $5 billion to get them to do that - and a few more bags of cookies from Tel Aviv.

voza0db's avatar

At this point most will do it just for the Cookies... or Barbecue!

https://voza0db.substack.com/p/morons-just-dont-get-it-b0e

E H's avatar

Only a portion of the Ukrainian population lives under the tyranny of the Slavic Führer and his SBU Gestapo; one can understand their plight, but Westerners have no excuse, being the source of their grievances. Elites don't fall with rain.

Tim's avatar

It's very typical to invoke so called German tyranny in this way, by equating Z with Hitler, and the SBU with the Gestapo.

But Hitler brought massive prosperity to Germany, whereas Z brought only mayhem and servitude to a jewish agenda.

Such was the level of prosperity which he brought, that it had to be holocausted, lest the other nations realised what could be done, once jewish usury and racial hatred was thrown off the nation's back.

The Gestapo of course was composed mainly of university-educated Germans, whose job was to root out jewish and communist traitors that had declared war on Germany in 1933 at their WJC in Amsterdam.

Very similar, in fact, with what the FSB is tasked with doing in Russia today.

tomo stojanovic's avatar

Zelenski just cant help being jewish

BlasterAsster's avatar

I view Ukraine and Israel as the exact same entity at this point. Omni-cause indeed

Saint Jimmy's avatar

yeah. all of the shitiness just runs together.

Dhdh's avatar

the shite of the world stems from the jew HQ illegal state...

jojo's avatar
Nov 9Edited

I'm the son of a WWII vet (who was a rabid anti-communist)....The Russians have been in the right the whole time. I really hoped Trump would quickly STOP the "amerikan/Russian War in Ukraine" and normalize relations with Russia, but that hope has been misplaced (so far).

Echwin's avatar

You mean communist was right all the way?!

Tim's avatar

Of course not.

Today's Russia is Christian, not jewish-controlled.

A completely different entity, with polar opposite beliefs.

jojo's avatar

The communists were, and remain, motherfuckers. They and any self-avowed Satanists are my enemy and the enemy of Mankind in general

grr's avatar

LOL. Another Hollyweird/Cold War influenced yank enter the chat.

Chip Worley's avatar

grr, another angry ignorant one enters the chat... Chip

jojo's avatar
Nov 9Edited

Global Communism raped Russia for 70 years (Jews). Then they descended on its carcass in the 90's. After flinging open the borders across the entire West to Mass Migration, the Commies are presently chewing their way through all of Western Civilization (they just grabbed New York).....and they WANT RUSSIA BACK.

That's what the war is about: the buildout of the One World Order.

"The Long March Through The Institutions" happened, and as the West was slowly subverted away from Christianity, the West lost its vigilance (My father's generation paid attention): Anyone who's seen a Yuri Bezmenov video understands the process. I hope that Civil War breaks out at some point as there is a LOT of Red deadwood that needs to be burned out

grr's avatar

Have you thought about a reprogramming session? You are barking mad.

Dhdh's avatar

Replace communist with Jew. Judeah Bolshevism is the disease. National socialism is the cure

Tim's avatar

Dhdh with the truth, as always.

This is why the jews have so demonized National Socialism, and tried to equate it with their own satanic philosophy, ie the nazism which is on full view in Palestine today.

They hate and fear National Socialism, because of what it showed it could do, even when opposed by all of world jewry.

But for Hitler and the Germans, the entirety of Europe would have been overrun, instead of just half of it, and we would be speaking, not German, but yiddish today.

E H's avatar

The communists, those other children of French socialism, like the anarchists.

Alex B's avatar

Trump is too busy feeding his Jewish masters and Wall Street parasites. America has become a hollowed out shell which now operates solely for the purpose of exploiting its own citizens. 50 year mortgages anyone?

Davy Alba's avatar

That's what happens when you let the English Elites back in.

If there is one group of individuals the entire world would benefit from being cleansed of, it's them.

Just ask the Welsh, the Irish and the Scots.

JohnOnKaui's avatar

What made you think Trump was going to seek peace with Russia? I keep hearing this from different folks, but when they point to a rational for it, I'm left puzzled.

Natalia's avatar

I guess you missed Hogshite's speech today. It's not enough that the MIC gets $1 Trillion. Now we're going on a "wartime footing" or aka "shifting the nation's economy, industry, and resources to a state of preparedness for large-scale conflict, prioritizing military production and national security above all else."

Hogshite: "We are not preparing for a period of peace; instead, we are shifting the Pentagon and the military-industrial base into an actual state of war...We are pivoting the Pentagon and our industrial base to a wartime footing. Building for victory, should our adversaries FAFO. The moment feels like 1939—or, I hope, 1981. Enemies are gathering, and threats are mounting. You feel it. And I feel it.” 🤡

Saint Jimmy's avatar

yea. we’re all so fucking thrilled.

Carl R Williams's avatar

Churchill and Roosevelt wanted WWII to pull their nations' economies out of the ditches they put them in. Looks like history is repeating itself.

Tim's avatar

You don't pull your economy out of the ditch by going to war against nations possessed of Oreshniks, Poseidons, and Burevestniks.

What you do do, though, is commit generational suicide.

The US for the first time ever is now on the frontline, no longer protected by its two oceans.

Carl R Williams's avatar

In this case of WWIII, you are right in going to war with a better prepared enemy is suicide. Trump seems to not know what he is doing when it comes to knowing what his military is capable of; and the current crop of crooks running the US government will cry crocodile tears about the necessity of loosing a generation or two to save "democracy" and divert attention away from their bumbling and their crimes.

Tim's avatar

Trump is a dangerous buffoon.

He even thinks that the recent revelation of the weapon systems I mentioned is the same as the restarting of nuclear testing, and so he vowed that the US would do the same - whereas these weapons weren't nuclear tests, but merely the means whereby their propulsion is enabled.

Trumpytoes is way out of his depth intellectually, in the modern world.

It's actually terrifying how stupid he is.

Dhdh's avatar

They wanted war against Germany because their Jew masters demanded it. Same as with Zion don now.

Carl R Williams's avatar

Trump has been a tremendous disappointment. He is probably the biggest bait and switch fraud to scam the American people. He is in the pocket of the global zionist money bags.

Carl R Williams's avatar

I believe that we do not elect a president for America anymore, but a figurehead for the globalist interest.

Tim's avatar
Nov 9Edited

The "gathering enemy" is the same as it always was - ie those jews who live off the profits of war, and the murder of their eternal enemy, the Gentile.

Hegseth the Shoeshine Boy is simply doing their bidding, as is his master.

Victor's avatar

I guess Trump forgot to tell his supporters that he is after peace in the exact same way israel is after peace. After all, according to at least one influential rabbi, Trump has been declared this generation's Gentile Messiah....😉

https://www.wnd.com/2016/09/trump-as-american-messiah-rabbi-says-yes/

https://theisraelbible.com/cyrus-as-messiah-understanding-trumps-divine-role/

mary-lou's avatar

yup. Israel vs the world: "you cease, we fire".

grr's avatar

Hogshite, love it.

How can the US prepare a wartime industry with a deficit of STEM graduates?

Hogshite must be drunk...again.

Dhdh's avatar

Except white men have no reason to fight or build for a Jew system that hates them. The jewSA is over.

Chip Worley's avatar

Except Hoshite forgets that he doesn't control or have any military industrial base. It's been hollowed out and sent overseas... Chip

E H's avatar

We are now heading towards a "state of war," meaning "shifting the country's economy, industry, and resources towards a state of readiness for large-scale conflict, prioritizing military production and national security above all else." You might think you're claiming Ukraine will crush Russia next Thursday. If you're listening to Hogshite, you're developing a brain tumor.

Yoni Reinón's avatar

even that sick female Ukranian politician just asks for more weapons in the middle of a blackout. Sick rats.

Politugal's avatar

Yeah, it's "nazi logic" right there. You have no power ? Solution for nazis: Get more weapons and continue the war and continue being without power for much longer! Also it's never too much to remember and repeat that north americans and europeans as a whole support nazi bitches like that, on a daily basis!

Victor's avatar

"Nazi Bitches" seem to be taking over Europe.

Politugal's avatar

Yeah and most westerners love them. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a coincidence that there are more women and more effeminate men in power and things are more dangerous than ever, because emotions / ideologies take precedence over rationality. Which is why people like Putin, despite his own flaws, are a rarity nowadays. Things are actually thought out before they are enacted. In the west, it's emotions all the time, do whatever no matter the costs or the consequences. It's just insanity all over the place.

Tim's avatar

Once you lose all standards, then you operate at the same level as those you condemn.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Gosh. How terrible! Russia isn’t and never will operate with “ukrainian” or US or UK standards… oh… wait…. “ukraine”, US, and UK have no standards.

Tim's avatar

You said you would operate with those standards - or lack of them - though.

" ... Just bomb the ever-lovin' fuck out of these people.... "

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Bombing the fuck out of them doesn’t imply killing civilians ad I’m not in charge so shut the fuck up.

Shagbark's avatar

Ooooooh! Anger! Hot, isnt it? Looks like that arrow from Tim hit a soft spot. You’ve been called out and found lacking.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Huh? I don’t think you’re making any sense.

Tim's avatar

BTF out of anyone is indiscriminate slaughter by definition.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

No. It isn’t. I’d say the Russians have recently bombed the fuck out of ukraine but it is certainly not a slaughter.

Yoni Reinón's avatar

not at the same level. The soviet never carpet bombed Desden, the British did.

Tim's avatar

You are missing the point, I wasn't referring to what the soviets didn't do - although they would have - I was referring to what St Jimmy said He would do.

Yoni Reinón's avatar

ok. In fact I quite agree with you. A vicious foe will force you to become a wild beast

Tim's avatar

Russia has a vicious foe, and it has not become a wild beast.

I constantly note how they do their bombing at night, when workers will not be on site.

Chris Collier's avatar

And the USA was involved in Dresden also I think. Something like the RAF during the day and USAF at night. I think.

Tim's avatar

The opposite, actually.

Chris Collier's avatar

Yes, I mixed them up. RAF at night and USAF during the day.

Thanks.

Politugal's avatar

That sort of logic is why violent criminals keep coming back and doing the same they did before, without punishment.

Being ruthless against the violent nazi / western scum, is not losing any standards. it's simply reacting to the nazi / western aggression that started all of this.

Russia has been acting with many, many gloves on, even though the nazis / western scum attack civilians on a daily basis, use civilians as shields, execute civilians in Kursk and eastern Ukraine, kill russian POWs, attack nuclear power plants, attack Russia's strategic nuclear triad, do terrorist attacks in Russia, tried and already killed some russian officials, the list goes on....

Trying to follow the rules, against an enemy - and Ukraine / the west are an enemy to Russia, an enemy that wants to destroy Russia - that doesn't follow any rules, makes no sense. As stated many times by russian leadership, this is an existential threat to Russia and yet Russia is still acting with restraint against the psychopaths / fascists in Ukraine / west. It should not. Russia should just end the war as quickly as possible and by inflicting the most damage to Ukraine and its nazi regime, as well as the west. Which doesn't mean Russia should attack NATO countries, but it definitely means Russia should at least stop supplying uraniaum to USA and Russia should confiscate european assets in Russia, because Europe and USA already did all that to Russia and Russia simply doesn't respond. if this is an existential threat to Russia, and it is, Russia needs to act like its existence depends on it and needs to make it clear to the nazis / west that it won't take any shit from them anymore. It's FAFO time and consequences should be brutal.

CC's avatar

There is an ex bouncer, martial artist, boxer, street fighter and writer from the UK, who worked the very tricky doors of 1980s Coventry (you who know England can imagine the scenario) and wrote a few books about self defence and an autobiography that is a cracking read. His name is Geoff Thomson. I recommend his book.

His method of self defence is down to earth and realistic, distilled from the experiences of his youth, there are zero fancy sport martial arts techniques. Two things stuck in my mind:

1. By all that’s dear to you do not get in trouble and learn to talk to people.

2. If everything else fails you’ve got to be ready to kill.

There is more to his books than that, for instance the need to keep your head and be objective in the middle of a fight, to avoid tunnel vision. These things apply to Russia, they’d got to do only one what it’s going to contribute to victory. But are they doing enough? And how does the average Ukrainian contribute it not to the damage inflicted on Russia. It’s also true that in a fight the one that hits the most is the eventual winner but the one capable of enduring for longer and exhaust the enemy.

korkyrian's avatar

In the spirit go Geoff Thompson.

Confiscating European assets will be done after EU confiscates Russian sovereign funds in Euroclear.

If EU succeeds in pushing through stealing 160 billion, it means enabling Ukraine to fight two more years of war.

It will demand being ready to kill.

E H's avatar

2 years? That's right, with 160 MDS there's enough to pay for the services of Doctor Frankenstein who will get to work resurrecting dead fighters.

korkyrian's avatar

E H

Those pushing for war are responsible for hundreds thousands deaths, destruction of Ukraine.

There is no victory in sight.

Merchant of Venice. Demanding a sacrifice of human life. Out of greed, spite, hatred...

Tim's avatar

You actually should only ever hit once - prolonging the fight should be the last thing you want.

And you do need tunnel vision - focus on the angle between neck and shoulder, there is a nerve plexus there, and once you hit it hard, the person goes down immediately.

Victor's avatar

Spot on. I feel the same about the UK.

tonyE's avatar

No, nyet... don't destroy the poor people because their political leader are nuts.

Liza Gumbi's avatar

These 'poor people' elected their leaders. The problem is that these politicos change when they get to power. You elect someone who tells you I will do this etc. Then they get power and do diametrically the opposite of what they were elected to do.

That is why people like Xi and Putin keep being put in power. They actually do things to assist the populace. Not just enrich themselves but to improve lives, and the electorate sees this and responds positively. Putin did as much as he could to avoid war - however, when war comes you fight and fight to win the peace as well.

E H's avatar

Do you believe the moans of pleasure from the prostitute you paid? It's the same with voters. If they're too stupid to vote, then they should be banned from the ballot box. In fact, elections should be abolished altogether; they're nothing but a sham that legalizes laws passed against you.

Tim's avatar
Nov 10Edited

Everybody is too stupid to vote, because virtually everyone is so heavily propagandized by jewish media that they lose all semblance of understanding.

William Colby was an ex-director of the CIA, and he said that once everything the American people believed was false, then his job would be done.

You cannot have a democracy under those conditions.

This is why Hitler was so successful in rebuilding Germany - he despised democracy.

As a friend once told me, the best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship - but then you have the problem arising if it isn't benevolent.

At which point we come back to the Biblical observation that "It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps."

The Mosaic dispensation was the best - and even that produced a people that constantly complained, even when they were fed and watered every day for 40 years.

Alex B's avatar

I feel the same here in the UK, endless streams of debt fuelled money going to support this sick regime in Ukraine. Meanwhile it citizens are subjected to the highest tax burden since WW2, mass uncontrolled immigration, mass surveillance and punishments for exercising their god given right of free speech, ideological adherence to net zero which means we have the highest energy costs in the world, a failing public health service which actively murders it elderly and public services in complete disarray with local councils now spending north of 60% of their budget on 'social services' whilst roads fall apart and litter is left to fester. We are all just being farmed to serve an ever increasingly out of touch elite.

Tim's avatar

Note how Starmer has a jewish wife, and is raising his children in the jewish religion - and Phillipson is another jew, as is the grotesque Milliband.

Decay and destruction of Christian Gentile societies is the jewish agenda, which we see playing out as you describe it.

The purpose being that eventually we will be a mixed-race polyglot blob which they can exploit and exercise complete control over, as to whether we live or die.

And thus Starmer's focus on a digital ID, when 3 million have expressed their complete rejection of the idea.

Once that comes into existence, all further resistance to the agenda will be completely snuffed out.

Oscar's avatar

Maybe if the yanks had kept thier nazi organised CIA the fuck out of Europe this mess wouldn't be happening

Dhdh's avatar

nazi.... lol - name the jew problem. if the "nazi" had won the world would be a peaceful place now instead of a jew playground.

Tim's avatar

The CIA was built up from the model of its British precursor - and Britain is controlled by jews from the City of London, an entirely separate and superior realm from the UK, whose monarch has to ask permission to enter once per year, when they attend for a charity food handout called the Lord Mayor's Banquet.

And note - Saddiq Khan is the Mayor of London - not the Lord Mayor of London - they are entirely separate entities.

The jews who run the City, and the British government, re entered the Kingdom in the 1640s, with the permission of Oliver Cromwell, who allowed them back in return for their financial support in creating his New Model Army, whose function was to overthrow the King - jews hate kingship, as they showed all across France, Germany, and Russia in their various "revolutions, " the one in the US being no different, as it removed the king, and replaced him with jewish bankers who lent the Founding Fathers the money they needed to overthrow him, and replace him with themselves.

So now, instead of paying a small tea tax to the King, you pay ruinous usurious rates in perpetuity to jewish bankers - so well done for doing what you did.

And why do they hate kingship?

Because God allowed kingship as from Saul and David's time, and jews hate God, and want anything He instituted to be replaced with something they want, eg "democracy" or any form of humanism.

JimG's avatar

If Putin cannot put the government out of business directly, take out Zelensky, the politicians, and the generals, I guess he has to take out everybody's heat and electricity and kill millions of common grunts. Ironically, the people of Ukraine are not causing the war; it is Z, the politicians, and the generals with support from NATO, and the they continue to do their work. The Kiev airport is still open to Europe and the main stream media to propagandize for all they are worth. But perhaps the threat to take out the entire system creates some level of deterrence, or does it simply open an attack of the Zaparoshia nuke plant?

Dhdh's avatar

russia just need to attack the illegal jew state.... watch the response then....

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Nuke Victoria Nuland & Co.

Charles T Maguire's avatar

More and more Americans on "right" are coming to or have come to this conclusion. The left hates Israel but loves Elites and Ukraine so they are torn. Ukraine and global elites will fall first, then Israel in grave danger if they do not wake up.

Abhikun's avatar

If this actions precedes some specific military action. Then it would mean Russia turing a new page in its SMO. Till then its a routine strike to whittle down the Kiev regime.

GM's avatar

Not really, unfortunately.

This is more aimless flailing from the Kremlin.

I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it being anything different.

Such a campaign would only make sense if there was prepared major offensive campaign that could take advantage of the disruption caused by the shutting down of the grid. But there has been no mobilization in Russia and that means that a proper offensive forces has not been put together.

It will not even disrupt all that much the dispersed production of FPV drones in improvised workshops. Those will run on generators, for which they will get top priority treatment.

So this is just more idiotic attempts to impose "deterrence" failing to understand that nobody who matters in Ukraine and much less in the West cares about how many civilians freeze to death. They would in fact cheer it because it gives them more PR ammunition against Russia.

If you wanted to impose deterrence in a tit-for-tat manner you take out half the refineries in the US or you collapse the US grid in large sections of the country (which is surprisingly easy to do because of how fragile and non-Soviet it is, and has often happened due to accidents and bad weather).

And if you really wanted to impose deterrence you kill Zelensky.

But we can't do either of these things because that would hurt the people in our in-group -- the dear partners and the Ukrainian oligarchy. Meanwhile regular Russian people are clearly not an in-group to the Russian leadership...

korkyrian's avatar

GM

by chance, or by design, your suggestions are always exactly what Russians should not do.

If Russian leadership were to follow your ideas they would follow the path to defeat.

Threatening is OK, it is good that everybody knows that if things go bad there are enough of nutheads in Russia who would destroy the Europe and the US - not the whole world, that will be done by US...

Even CIA/MI6 will have to check in their files, whether GM is our guy or just a nuthead.

However, attacking US refineries is a step that should be taken after the Russian tanker fleet is attacked. As long as Russian oil flows all over the world and brings revenue, giving the West an opportunity to escalate is mistaken.

Zelensky should not be killed, he is a symbol of the war, and Russia would be mistaken if the opportunity to have this symbol face the defeat and the consequences of failed war is missed.

Zelensky should be kidnapped and put to trial for crimes against humanity, inciting war, conspiring with the enemies of Ukraine, and Russia in order to kill hundreds of thousands Ukrainians and Russians, and stealing national wealth.

GM's avatar

>However, attacking US refineries is a step that should be taken after the Russian tanker fleet is attacked.

The US is attacking refineries inside Russia, of course you attack the US refineries in response. Who cares about the tanker fleet when that is already happening?

P.S. The tanker fleet is robbing Russia of its real wealth, sending it to India for worthless rupees at a fraction of the real value. It would be good for Russia if the US shut it down.

korkyrian's avatar

GM

by chance, or by design, your suggestions are always exactly what enemies of Russia would like Russians to do.

If Russian leadership were to follow your ideas they would follow the path to defeat and destruction of Russian nation and state.

And as always with you, let's finish with Ukraine

Zelensky should be put to trial for crimes against nation of Ukraine and Russia, inciting civil war, conspiring with the enemies of Ukraine, and Russia in order to kill hundreds of thousands Ukrainians and Russians, and lesser crimes of stealing national wealth in times of existential crisis .

Zelensky should be tried for high treason.

GM's avatar

Zelensky cam be tried in absentia and the sentence then carried out by an Iskander

ron's avatar

Thanks for the link. Excellent article. I subscribed to them and will see if their content stays at that high level of analysis.

Grasshopper Kaplan's avatar

Yes, it usually does, whereas my personal substack is just to insult those dirty dogs doing the dammmmmn dirty deeds, which I tired of doing of late

Bash's avatar

I don't think deterrence works - even though thats what I think these strikes are intended to be. I don't know what the solution is to solving the strategic strike problem; and Simplicious its good you acknowledge that the efficacy of Ukrainian strikes is growing, not receding. While we constantly harp on how Russian arms production exceeds Western production, the salient difference is that it is open season on the entirety of the Russian landmass for these long range drones to strike - and they do - whereas an artillery plant can be located 1 mile across the border with Poland or Romania and be off limits. Russia is suffering attrition, her adversaries do not.

BlasterAsster's avatar

Keep in mind a lot of Russia's war logistics is based in China and Central Asia. NATO logistics for Ukraine is annoying but two can play that game.

Bash's avatar

Sure but western support is overt. You can say that western economies are suffering, which is true, and so there are lots of forces working against eachother - Ukrainian manpower is reducing, russian attrition is rising, western production is improving, tech race between the two, and so on. What eventually swings the balance is anyone's guess, but it sure as hell isnt the capture of the donbass.

Gnuneo's avatar

I don't think anything except WMDs will "swing" the longterm game.

What would nudge the dial is Western voters attempting to remove these warmongers through "voting", only to discover the Empire will annul every result in every western country, and use assassination as a political tool.

Then the mask will be off for even the densest, although half the population will remain Empire loyalists and continue to blame "migrants" for every problem.

The real problem is of course in the West, and there is sweet FA the rest of the World can do about that.

Tim's avatar

The game is already over, without recourse to WMD.

Russia has allowed Ukraine to bring its reserves increasingly to the LOC, where they are destroyed.

It is now preventing materiel being brought to the front, so for Ukraine, the war is over.

Striking electricity generation encourages the civilian population to get behind a political settlement which will oust the Banderites from any further say in the development of national affairs.

Dhdh's avatar

the problem is the jew that controls the "west"

Gnuneo's avatar

"The Jew" certainly controls your brain, rent free.

Tim's avatar

Dhdh's thesis is completely correct though.

BlasterAsster's avatar

"What eventually swings the balance is anyone's guess, but it sure as hell isnt the capture of the donbass."

I agree, Russia must take FAR more than the Donbass. Kharkiv, Odessa, Kiev, all must be taken. Anyone who thinks this war ends with the four oblasts or whatever is a fool - Russia must be an order of magnitude more ambitious to decapitate Ukraine once and for all.

alfred venison's avatar

IMPERATIVE : the Poms must NOT get access to Odessa !

John Osman's avatar

What would we even do with it if we did get it?

Tim's avatar

Prrobably start off with a gay pride march.

Gnuneo's avatar

Curious how there's always money to build up overseas military bases and ports for the Empire, but never a single penny for similar civilian infrastructure back home.

Tim's avatar

English.

It's what the Aussies call us, I think because our ships started taking fresh fruit on board to prevent scurvy from decimating the crews.

Pomme is the French word for apple.

Gnuneo's avatar

Similar to how the Yanks used the term "Limeys", due to eating limes for the Vit C on long RN voyages.

Victor's avatar

Where do you get the idea that Russian attrition is rising? Each month that passes sees fewer and fewer 200s and 300s on the Russian side. And if you are talking about Ukie hits on Russian territory, in the great scheme of things, that is negligible and has almost zero impact on the war.

As for the capture of the Donbass, the fact is that several hugely important highly fortified logistics centres are positioned to fall in the next couple of weeks - after they fall, Russia has pretty much got nothing between them but essentially undefended flat lands all the way to the Dnieper. Russia is building up for a cross into Kherson to finish that job as well. They are entering forcefully into the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, as well as Kharkov and Sumy. The rest of Novorossiya will follow.

Do you seriously believe that the war is a stalemate of some kind?

Victor's avatar

Oops. I think I misread your comment. Apologies.

GM's avatar

>Where do you get the idea that Russian attrition is rising?

Obviously $A + i > A$ if $i > 0$, which it is.

It's the cumulative attrition that matters here.

Also, you are confusing casualties with infrastructure damage.

No drones were hitting 750-kV substations in Vladimir and Nizhny Novgord until a week or so ago. And no missiles were hitting TPPs in Russia until a month ago.

Now they are.

So that sort of attrition suddenly went from zero to something.

VHMan's avatar

All those military accomplishments are very important, but will not stop the West’s war of attrition against Russia—endless drones, terror attacks, international sabotage. To stop the backers (now the whole of NATO) will require nuclear weapons. This can ONLY be avoided by Russian escalation NOW, and maybe not even that.

Chip Worley's avatar

"...western production is improving..."

"I'll take wrong answers for $2,000 Alex"... Chip

GM's avatar

Not really, China is not sending any missiles or artillery shells, and will not do so to the level of NATO if all of Russian production went down. China sends electronics components, drone engines, and chemical precursors for various things. That's it.

Meanwhile Ukraine gets practically 100% of its ammo from the West.

If Russian manufacturing is destroyed, will China step in the same way?

BlasterAsster's avatar

I think they would, and don't underestimate the power of even low level Chinese support. Most of Russia's fiber wire for their infamous unjammable drones is coming from China - that alone is a tremendous force multiplier for Russia. There are many, many things China provides for Russia - Ukraine gets all its support from the West because they have no alternatives. China provides what Russia needs and Russia does the rest - it's better for both parties this way.

Feral Finster's avatar

Don't kid yourself. Meanwhile, those Ukrainian drones come from China.

Some friend, that.

ron's avatar

Destroy Russian manufacturing??!!?? That would take thousands of successful hits to accomplish. The war will be over long before it could be accomplished even if NATO had the capability to do so which it clearly does not.

ron's avatar

The problem with the point you are making is that those artillery plants etc are still largely hype while the equivalent in Russia is real and producing needed output at a high rate for far less cost than anything NATO can come up with.

Bash's avatar

The evidence of drone strike efficacy and propensity is not really disputable I think.

Tim's avatar

The problem with artillery shells is that they need something to fire through, and Mr Lancet is whittling those away constantly.

GM's avatar

>I don't think deterrence works

Obviously it is not working because what costs are imposed and on who?

Regular people will go cold and hungry.

But who here cares about regular people? Nobody.

The West is untouched, even on the level of the general population (which also nobody cares about beyond making sure they don't rebel), and the Western oligarchy is certainly untouched.

Meanwhile in Ukraine the oligarchs long ago departed the country and went first to the safety of their villa in Israel, then once the war started there to their mansions in the US and Europe.

Zelensky and co. barely are physically in Ukraine, and when they are there they will always have power, as will the military, because they don't depend on the grid, the bunkers have their own generators.

So all of this is not imposing deterrence on anyone and anything.

It's not even going shut down the production of FPV drones in distributed improves workshops as those will also get top priority for diesel generators.

Militarily it would help only if the trains are permanently shut down and if a mass population exodus is triggered so that the cities remain empty and the AFU has no civilian human shield to hide behind. But that would also require a WWII-level offensive force to be assembled on the Russian side. We know it hasn't been because there has been no mobilization.

Thus this is done for deterrence purposes, but it will impose no meaningful deterrence, as described above. And it will only open Russia itself up for more and more such attacks.

Classic Putinist half-measure idiocy...

>Russia is suffering attrition, her adversaries do not.

Precisely.

Lookout's avatar

Russia's attitude towards Ukraine is influenced by the clear fact that the UkroNazis have been killing Russian women & children since 2014 & have never ceased deliberate targeting of them. Russia has never targeted civilians, in spite of what the pathological liar Zelensky is wont to say.

Moscow Mule's avatar

Looks like we are at a turning point and hopefully moving towards a negotiated endgame rather than Armageddon. Trump just gave Orban a 1 year reprieve for Hungary. Now this. Pokrovsk, forgotten by the Western media but pretty much conquered, and the howls for NATO forces to be injected into the theatre... Really starts to feel like the end is nigh.

Natalia's avatar

What did Hungary give Trump? He doesn't give anything away for free.

Haywood Jablome's avatar

Orban told Trump he is great and gave him a back rub and some goulash.

alfred venison's avatar

Don't talk to the Brain,

Talk to the Ego.

Orban gets it.

sandor's avatar

Orban kissed his butt.

Hussein Hopper's avatar

Think the back rub might have actually involved goulash

Kennewick Man's avatar

I suspect a few bottles off plum brandy, a well known favorite in that country, often cooked in basements without proper permits.

Mikey Johnson's avatar

Hungary will buy a lot of LNG.

Tim's avatar

Orban agreed to buy $600 million worth of US LNG.

Chip Worley's avatar

US doesn't have it to sell... Chip

Tim's avatar
Nov 10Edited

Trump's agenda is entirely based on selling product .... Tim.

Look at his behaviour vis - a - vis NATO buying weapons to then hand over to Ukraine.

The guy is a complete Philistine, ie he knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing.

Selling product always trumps reducing the death toll - which he has hypocritically stated is his objective.

Politugal's avatar

There is no possibility for a negotiated endgame. Russians really need to understand that Ukraine and the entirety of the west, is their enemy and they need to react accordingly. That means doing exactly to the west what the west does to Russia. Russia cannot continue with gloves on, when they claim this is an existential threat to them - and it is, because the west has clearly stated they want to destroy Russia, ignoring this would be a fatal mistake.

Dhdh's avatar

The goal needs to be the complete humiliation of Zion don and the Jew controlled ‘ west’

GM's avatar

>hopefully moving towards a negotiated endgame

There is absolutely nothing hopeful about a "negotiated endgame".

That can only be a Minsk-3, i.e. war will restart again in the future, but from an even more unfavorable to Russia position. You clearly don't understand how much worse things became thanks to Putin's diplomatic flailing around in the eight years between 2014 and 2022.

The only acceptable to Russia outcome is:

1) Russia takes over the whole of Ukraine. ALL OF IT. To the Polish, Slovakian, Hungarian and Romanian borders

2) Russia then physically exterminates all Banderites who have not managed to escape. No GULAG camps followed by amnesties this time. Total physical elimination down to the last man. Fortunately there is social media these days so it is known who is a Banderite in a way it wasn't back then.

3) Russia completely de-Ukrainizes the territory, however long that takes, and whatever "human rights" violations are necessary to achieve it.

Anything short of that guarantees a much worse war in the future.

George Roscher's avatar

Dear Dear friends my few grains of sand this Russian thing is still going to blow up in Putin's face every living thing and the mice just thinks Putin is oh so clever with the way of his war oh my bad his SMO

Gnuneo's avatar

It would be so, so painful to watch a dialogue between you and President Putin whose cleverness you mock.

grr's avatar

Would VVP understand what George is saying? I certainly can't.

George Roscher's avatar

Let's see another four years remember in the beginning the West was quite hesitant fast forward they getting more Aggressive by the hour oh and forget Dumber and that is the biggest problem I fear and Mr the grand chess player Putin doesn't seem to digest remember his big words in the beginning when he warned the West he even mentioned something about their history and they all went and huddled they saw he bluffed now big trouble is Brewing much bigger than four years ago

Gnuneo's avatar

NATO was fully prepared and had planned to drop tac nukes on any large Russian "armoured big arrow offensives" 4 years ago. None of this situation was unexpected and unplanned for.

The Kremlin well understood that the West's planners considered this "Vital" for their planetary hegemony - as BloJo has said "A loss in Ukraine means the end of Western hegemony forever".

Western propagandists laid all the ground, a tsunami of lies about this "Unprovoked, full scale invasion", and racialist demonisation of Russia and Russian culture unknown outside of the WWs.

The Kremlin understood well that a single error could lead to a total disaster for the entire planet, and that is was facing a foe quite willing to go that far - that many in the West decision-centres WANTED to go that far.

Russia's 100m people are facing up the West's 1bn+, and is carefully dismantling NATO's war machine day by day, while keeping China and the Global South sweet and still trading with Russia.

I doubt you could pull of anything like the balancing act President Putin has had to make.

Of course mistakes were made - mistakes are always made. You can't save-scum Reality to get a perfect score.

alfred venison's avatar

Great comment, thanks

Frank Sailor's avatar

That's one of the biggest propaganda issue/trap that people don't get.

If there are mistakes, the jackals come out and scream;

see, they can't even do this or that. Of course being silent about their own shortcomings.

The enemy is using this idiotic but impact creating tactic since eternity and people still whining about imperfection that they don't acknowledging by themself.

Sometimes I think humans are indeed retarded on a collective level.

bemused's avatar

There is an old line that the IQ of a mob is determined by the IQ of the lowest individual in it, divided by the number of people in the mob.

Norwegian's avatar

Great insight. Thank you for that.

VHMan's avatar

Putin: the man has nerves of steel, and is the finest national leader on the planet. But…he has to move NOW!

Gnuneo's avatar

I have a suspicion that the Kremlin has informed DC that any installations in Russia destroyed by Tomahawks will be matched by equivalent installations within the USA. Just a suspicion.

And while it's 50/50 whether Russia would live up to that threat, that's a 50% chance, and Americans would go INSANE from such a counter-attack, and end Trump's Presidency on the spot.

The Russian military is moving as quickly as it can safely to secure the areas of former Ukr (Now CIA-Nazi Ukr), and no doubt by now the generals are in full charge, and understand the issues involved. Putin is no longer gambling with a small crew - the stakes are understood across society, and his General Staff completely in the loop.

Personally I do not pretend to understand the situation at any tactical depth, but I do know that you don't want to move a modern military beyond its logistics supply unless you wish to commit military suicide, and the NATO countries have ensured that crossing the Dnieper in the south would take more casualties than Bakhmut - except in elite marine forces rather than conscripts.

We all wish this was done and settled - not least of which the 80% of Ukr sick and fucking tired of being a NATO proxy and seeing their menfolk die for DC profits and mad dreams, conscripted to die for a Nazi state - but there always a case for letting the professionals do their job.

Imo the generals are in charge now, and dictating the speed and strategies. Putin is almost certainly asking them to speed it up, but this isn't some global south country being smashed against the wall by a high tech western military, but a well defended and NATO backed-to-the-hilt modern military they have to go through.

It will take time, and there's simply nothing really that Russia can do about that except pray for a miracle and the Ukr rise up against the Nazi dictatorship over them sooner rather than later.

VHMan's avatar

Thanks for writing.

Feral Finster's avatar

"NATO was fully prepared and had planned to drop tac nukes on any large Russian "armoured big arrow offensives" 4 years ago. None of this situation was unexpected and unplanned for."

NATO was afraid to send even old Soviet stockpiles for fear of a Russian response and now you claim that NATO was planning a nuclear strike?

Ima call bullshit.

Gnuneo's avatar

That's like saying because Trump wanted his Nobel Peace Prize the US wouldn't arm Ukraine, bomb Iran or prepare to attack Venezuela.

As you normally know damned well, every Imperial institution has hawks, and doves (Or extreme hawks and not QUITE as extreme hawks might be more accurate these days).

In the heady days of the beginning of the SMO, the lunatics were mostly in charge of the asylum. The lunatics who though the sanctions would cripple Russia, who banned Russian culture even concerts of long-dead composers, the insane fuckwits who thought Vicky Nuland was a genius, and Russia a 'Gas station with outdated non-functioning weapons'.

It was only once the effects of the very large bags of coke had worn off that daylight began to return to some of them.

There are powerful people in the West scheming to drop a dirty bomb on Western cities as a false flag, right now.

Are you seriously telling me the psychopaths around Biden pulling the strings on his autopen, were actually "Afraid of Russia" back then?

The order would have been given, and a General Jack D Ripper found to carry it out without questions.

Feral Finster's avatar

In 2022, anyone talking of sending troops to Ukraine would be denounced as a bull goose looney intent on WWIII.

Now, thanks to Russian timidity and impotence, it's baked in the cake.

bemused's avatar

George, have you ever heard of this thing we have called punctuation? Those are those funny shaped things on the keyboard that don't look like letters.

Saint Jimmy's avatar

Your tears are delicious!

Tim's avatar

You can guarantee that if it blows up in Putin's face, a lot of western countries will also become collateral damage.

Overall, they are colluding with their own demise, and the emergence of a new world economic and political axis.

Hussein Hopper's avatar

At least you are more coherent than GM. Well said.Whatever it was you said.

Angelina's avatar

Russia "barely started" in Putin's own words, what the US would have done a long time ago, and Ukraine/EU/US are "shocked."

Farang's avatar

That is literally the thing. NATO, especially European NATO, has almost reached all of it's escalation potential. And as you say. Russia has barely started.

Remember how Portugal and Spain's electricity grid totally collapsed in April this year? By itself. In a single day. If the EU escalates, we are going back to living in the stone age here in Europe within a couple of weeks - if not earlier.

Frank Sailor's avatar

Russians are imperfect humans, can you imagine?

They don't even fight like US/NATO would do. They're calling it a SMO probably because they can't do real war.

Stupid Russians, they should have, must have, could have, all idiots there, the real experts are at home on a sofa with a keyboard.

Why the bloody Russians do not read/listen to the Substack comments on Simplicius site?

They simply don't get it, I assume ;-)

Pxx's avatar

I don't think anyone's shocked. There's a full-on genocide by Israel in Gaza, livestreamed daily. US and leading EU governments are openly supportive of this. Compared to how Western governments fight, these are extraordinarily clean strikes.

Feral Finster's avatar

The US and its Israeli buddy do far worse in Gaza.

Fair? Nope.

Cheryl Shepherd's avatar

Taking out (some of) the 750kV electric transformers is a significant change. In 2022 - 2023 the Donetsk frontline reporters, like Voenkor Kotenok had much to complain about. The lack of a serious campaign to de-energise 404 and the exemption of the 750kV transformers from destruction was just one of many issues. The explanations at that time were that these legacy transformers were no longer produced, and producing them again would be slow and costly. In short, many in Russia were still hoping for an early negotiated end to the conflict. Leaving the Kiev regime with the ability to rebuild their infrastructure relatively quickly would be a deal sweetener, which in the minds of some might make the 404 leadership more likely to listen to reason.

Well, a lot has happened since then. The terrorist attack on the Crocus City Hall music venue, Operation Spiderweb - the drone attacks on 4 of the RF strategic airfields, the Kursk invasion and numerous war crimes against civilians ... I expect an increasing number of planners in the RF have zero 'Fs' to give at this point. Anyway, big powerful high voltage transformers built in the soviet period are not exactly cutting edge technology. Perhaps some have even been quietly produced somewhere in the Urals since 2022?

Frank Sailor's avatar

Anyway, big powerful high voltage transformers built in the soviet period are not exactly cutting edge technology.

Really? Cutting edge is of course in the West, I assume.

If they are one of the major energy producers on the planet, they probably have a 1914 build shed somewhere to hammer a sowjet transformer out of a few western WC bowls?

thatguy's avatar

I think you might have misinterpreted Cheryl's comment. She wasn't saying Russia doesn't have modern technology. She was Russia could very easily manufacture newer and better replacements for Soviet-era powerful high-voltage transformers. Her last sentence was satirical.

Frank Sailor's avatar

I know, I just wanted to high light it because it's important.

And I gave her comment a like ;-)

She often has good contributions, by the way.

Hussein Hopper's avatar

Can you or someone throw some light(clumsy, i know) on how crippling the Ukrainian power grid, impacts their fighting capabilities(communications, use of drones etc). It is not that clear to me and maybe others. Thanks in anticipation.

Frank Sailor's avatar

There is a good book by a German author, Marc Elsberg 'Blackout". There he explains in a fictional but very realistic way what's going to happen to a 'western' society without electricity.

3 weeks in and civil war is a given.

One of the best scenes is for example how a man with a Porsche drives to a farmer to buy some food. The Farmer takes his gun and shoots the Porsche driver, keeps the money, the Porsche and his food. ;-)

кк's avatar

Thnx for book!

Albertron's avatar

James Burke relayed a similar scenario in his 1978 book of the TV series 'Connections', where he tried to illustrate how most people even back then wouldn't stand a chance once the power went out and they had to fend for themselves.

Pxx's avatar

Low tech but as far as Western manufacturing is concerned, it's a massive bespoke design - and competing with demand for utility scale transformer market that's maxed out from the AI wave (investment or bubble, same result). Monthly strikes on just 3 or 4 of these 750kV effectively unplugs the nuclear power plants from the majority of Ukraine. It's an economical way action.

Now will it work as a deterrent? I don't think so, since NATO is literally funneling on the order of $100 billion per year to the Zelensky regime to keep fighting and even escalating no matter what. They'll live off diesel generators as long as that money keeps flowing. But it'll reduce Ukraine's capacity to fight, both industrially, and by outmigration. Remember, the US would be happy to see them all dead after a long bloody war. If we create a scenario where no peace is possible, then instead let the population go to EU and live in peace there.

VHMan's avatar

[From a recent Glenn Diesen interview]: take away the heat and the inhabitants will move, even if refugees. Empty cities are easier to conquer with less civilian dead.

bemused's avatar

That last line might have been satirical, but perhaps there is a grain of truth in it. This is just more 4-d chess and probably totally wrong, but what if Russia were indeed building a stockpile of 750kv transformers and were waiting until they had a large enough inventory to replace the ones they are now destroying? It would be quite the carrot when much of Ukraine is cold and dark....

Cheryl Shepherd's avatar

Not satire, but speculation. At this point, no one knows what portion of 404 that Russia will end up occupying, or if there will even be a Ukrainian polity remaining. It seems increasingly likely that the RF will be obliged to take everything east of the Dnieper. In the most extreme scenario, 404 would be parted out with bits of the far west going to current NATO members; Hungary, Poland, and Romania. However, in this scenario, the RF would likely want to control the nuclear power plants in Khmelnytskyi and Rivne, certainly not give them to NATO. If events go this way, the RF would need to restore the 750kV transformers. So they could have built some, just in case.

BlasterAsster's avatar

In my humble opinion, Russia needs to keep pushing until at least everything East of the Dnieper, plus Kiev and Odessa, are liberated.

Ukraine just can't have anything at this war's conclusion. Russia must take everything of value. Any piece that Russia leaves of Ukraine will immediately be weaponized against Russia, so Russia should take all the ports, all the mines, all the major cities, everything.

It's a shitty situation but the grind must continue all the way to the Dnieper. 2028? I wish Ukraine would just collapse already but To The Last Ukrainian is not even a meme at this point, that's the literal strategy.

Farang's avatar

I think even if this is not the Russian intentions, this is what will happen.

Ukraine is a suicide-cult and the West is agreement incapable, so Russia's only options will be to use their force to make sure that Ukraine will never become a problem in the future again.

The only ones that can stop the killing is the Ukrainians themselves. I know it is hard to stand up for yourselves when you live in a fascist dictatorship, but we are almost 4 years into the busification of civilians, and except from a handful of videos of resistance and a bloke blowing himself and the TCC kidnappers up with hand grenades, there has been no push-back. Only armed resistance by the Ukrainian people can put an end to this.

There is actually a website dedicated to this. They have 3000 busification videos for the year of 2025 - though I am sure I have seen more. According to Western media this is of course all either AI or filmed in Moscow.

https://busification.org/

Frank Sailor's avatar

>The only ones that can stop the killing is the Ukrainians themselves. I know it is hard to stand up for yourselves when you live in a fascist dictatorship<

I'd doubt that you know.

The Germans had 12 years of it and they needed to be liberated from it by the outside because they refused to acknowledge what was happening, even amidst a world war.

Dhdh's avatar

"liberated"? that is idiotic. the jew needed to use 3 empires to crush the germans and the white race because the 3d reich was an antidote to their evils. look at the state of the "west" now after 80 years of blatant jew rule....

Dhdh's avatar

Yes. Make ukraine Russian again.

Lubica's avatar

Here is an interesting analysis:

“ The Russian strategy hasn’t worked, because the Ukrainians have begun to call their bluff in earnest. AFU planners are aware of Russian offensive potential, but have plowed forward with the energy war all the same. The state of the Ukrainian grid is now dire, with the Russians having the ability to impose blackouts in large cities like Kiev or Kharkov at will, or near-full blackouts of the entire country with exceptionally large attacks. Because the Ukrainians have shown no signs of being deterred, the only possible direction the situation can go is towards further escalation.”

https://www.amerikanets.com/p/the-russians-strike-a-750kv-substation

BlasterAsster's avatar

One problem with deterring Ukraine is they don't give a fuck about their citizens' lives, unlike Russia. Ukraine might even be trying to intentionally kill off their male population at this point.

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GM's avatar

>As for their women, back home Ukraine was associated with human trafficking, because so many of them were trafficked

Yes, indeed.

But that is telling about how successful large-scale brainwashing can be, isn't it?

In the USSR Ukrainian women were building spacecraft and computers.

Then the USSR fell apart, the West took over, and Ukrainian women became prostitutes serving smelly Middle Eastern truckers on the highways in Central and Western Europe. Amazing progress, isn't it?

The Soviet collapse was a modern reenactment of classical Bronze Age practices -- Soviet elites surrendered without a fight in the Cold War on the empty promise of being accepted in the Western club, the West then of course immediately reneged on the promise, proceeded to steal everything valuable it could get its hands on, life expectancy for men fell to the mid-50s, while millions of women were taken into effective sex slavery in the West. Again, classic Bronze Age behavior.

But who did Ukrainians blame for that? Well, the USSR, of course, who else. And the women are most guilty of it.

In fact if you pay attention, you will notice that it is Ukrainian women who have been the most rabidly Banderite, pro-Western and anti-Soviet voices, not the men.

korkyrian's avatar

GM

batshit crazy women destroying civilisation

On this we agree

Lubica's avatar

EXACTLY! Thank you for your reply.

Kennewick Man's avatar

Exactly my words in a post above.

John Osman's avatar

The problem with punishing the Ukrainians is that they aren't the masters of their own destiny.

The West decides their strategy and doesn't care about Babushkas in Kiev suffering.

Frank Sailor's avatar

The capitalist ruling class just like the "nobles" before them and the slave owners before that has never give a damn about humans. It's the reason why they're antagonistic to societies based on humanity, despite their talkings.

Remove this class of a few and humanity at least has a chance to do better.

heavymetal101's avatar

And that's where the problem lies.

The majority of the people on this earth needs someone to control over them someone/thing to bow down too. They need to be a part of something, even if it's destructible to ones own worth.

The problem lies when they do this, the mindless class take the remaining down with them.

Groupthink controls the ignorant.. double edge sword.. Remove the ignorant and the top class who feeds on them, will falter.

Dhdh's avatar

remove the jew. "If the top 50 Jews in the world were removed, war would stop". Henry Ford. just as true today.

Feral Finster's avatar

Remove the present oligarchs and they will only be replaced by new oligarchs.

All societies eventually come to be ruled by sociopaths, because sociopaths are precisely the humans who will do whatever it takes to get power.

GM's avatar

>The West decides their strategy and doesn't care about Babushkas in Kiev suffering.

Coincidentally, Putin doesn't care about Babushkas in Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod (the DNR and LNR are not even worth mentioning) either. And increasingly he doesn't care about Oryol and Voronezh either, with the geography will only set to expand...

Aivazovsky's avatar

Very obviously so! The huge Ukrainian manpower losses are not a bug, they are the feature! Emptying the land, paving way for Blackrock ownership and the upcoming shtetels of the Heavenly Jerusalem is paramount!

Farang's avatar

Exactly! It is in Zelensky's and the West interest to kill off the Ukrainian male population. Why? Because most of these males are ethnical Russians, and should the war end on Russian terms, many of these might become official Russians in the future - and might even join the Russian army.

It is cynical, but if you look at it from the point of the psychopats that rule our countries, then it all makes very much sense.

Pxx's avatar

Correct. This is what US/EU are paying for.

Feral Finster's avatar

Since the rulers of Ukraine in no wise suffer, why should they care?

You think a farmer is concerned for the comfort of the chickens he is slaughtering?

Lubica's avatar

I am sorry. I am not following. Is it only the rulers of Ukraine who do not care?

Feral Finster's avatar

Nobody in Washington, nobody in Brussels, nobody in Kiev cares.

Anon's avatar

Perhaps a half and half option. Like cause a frozen winter in Kiev so the local population revolts in the capital while leaving the rest of the country on the brink.

Gnuneo's avatar

I bet the NATO bunkers in Ukr have their own generators, and damn the freezing locals outside.

You can be certain the 'elites' in Kiev are not shivering either.

Must be a lot harder making long distance drones in cellars without lights though.

Feral Finster's avatar

Those drones are made abroad.

Gnuneo's avatar

Many of them. There were domestic productions though. After all, Simp has detailed the destruction of some of those underground production facilities in one or two essays.

And has reported Russia has made them prime targets before.

Feral Finster's avatar

Because, of course, it is impossible for europeans to assemble cheap Chinese drones.

Gnuneo's avatar

In the dark, without heat in winter, it is probably considerably more difficult.

Feral Finster's avatar

Since europe has heat and electricity, the point is moot.

Gnuneo's avatar

And Ukraine currently doesn't.

Sorry - are you claiming that there is no domestic drone production/assembly in Ukraine, and never has been?

Eric Fuleftists's avatar

Boo hoo. The state-sponsored terrorists in Ukraine start whining when their own infrastructure is destroyed. The situation is now set up perfectly for the following four actions, which Russia must do simultaneously...

1. invade Odessa region with a major big-arrow thrust towards the city

2. take out all Ukraine's substations, and 750kV transmission lines leading into the country

3. take out all water treatment plants, sewage treatment plants, train stations, subway entrances, fuel depots, and freeway intersections in Kiev

4. demand unconditional surrender from the Ukraine government.

Other than lobbing tactical nukes, this is the only way for Russia to achieve its stated SMO goals, while putting the fear of God into the West.

grr's avatar

"1. invade Odessa region with a major big-arrow thrust towards the city"

Too risky at the moment. Remember Russia is casualty averse.

"2. take out all Ukraine's substations, and 750kV transmission lines leading into the country"

Russia is not at war with the elderly, ill etc who will die as per mention in article. If that escalation is needed later it can be done in an instant.

3. "take out all water treatment plants, sewage treatment plants, train stations, subway entrances, fuel depots, and freeway intersections in Kiev."

Same as above.

4. "demand unconditional surrender from the Ukraine government"

Ukraine does not have a govt. that makes the decisions. The decision makers don't care how many die (on either side).

Eric Fuleftists's avatar

You're living in lala land. I suggest you come back to reality. This is war. You win a war by unequivocally beating your opponent, otherwise you're just playing around with endless conflict. You probably think 20 years in Afghanistan is quite proper.

Next, as far as old-sick-tired-whatever, you refocus the energy of your enemy towards solving their internal problems, making them too busy to expend resources on fighting you. Also, as soon as Ukraine surrenders, its fair-weather western friends can come in with real help for civilians. In addition, regardless of how much a puppet Ukraine may be, its so-called leaders will be staring at a hard, cold choice with the above scenario... either step up and take responsibility, and surrender for the good of their people, or else be overrun with mobs that will be out for blood. As far as a big push, Russia has been slowly but steadily gearing up with personnel and logistics, so they can now do a large attack, if they have the balls to do so. The time is ripe now, because the longer they wait, the more the opportunity of surprise and associated effectiveness slips away. Don't get me started on what I think of your character, based on your above response. For the time being, I'll keep this polite.

grr's avatar

Are you really that thin skinned you can't handle someone disagreeing with you?

"Don't get me started on what I think of your character, based on your above response. For the time being, I'll keep this polite."

My response was not impolite, just stating facts as I see them. And that causes you to have a hissy fit?

Poor little Eric need to grow up.

Eric Fuleftists's avatar

Motte and bailey response just now from you. Note the following line...

"Russia is not at war with the elderly, ill etc who will die as per mention in article.." Implicit in that line is a dig at me and my character, that I want to inflict pain and suffering on those poooor people. You're full of BS, as always. You wanted to make this about me from the outset, and poor little Eric is calling your bluff.

grr's avatar

"Implicit in that line is a dig at me and my character, that I want to inflict pain and suffering on those poooor people. You're full of BS, as always. You wanted to make this about me from the outset,...."

Wow, you imagined that. That wasn't my intention at all. If I wanted to make it about you I would have directly done so.

What a silly little paranoid man.

John Osman's avatar

I think we're all grateful for the Seppo telling us how to win wars, Grr. 😁😁

grr's avatar

Yep. Grenada and Panama LOL.

I think Eric is sulking in his bedroom now.

thatguy's avatar

"Seppo".

That's racist! 😉

John Osman's avatar

Americans are a nation, not a race.

It is deliberately offensive, I will grant you that, but as Chris Rock said"If I'm in an argument with a one legged man... "

The Spamdalorian's avatar

I think part of the plan is to slowly degrade the power supply to give everyone who can a chance to leave and become a burden to the EU

Also "largest ever" has been said so often it means nothing. Unless the Russians are adding one drone to each wave so that technically it is the largest ever.

Ash 1952's avatar

Or is it a conspiracy to kill of as many men as possible ? Black rock has purchased huge parcels of land in Ukraine. There are also few more carpet baggers waiting in shadows.