The next stage of 3 WW is coming at the end of this year.
No matter what are Iran-USA diplomatic talks, Iran will be nuked, by hands of Israel. Bushehr nuclear power plant will be dirty bombed, it will explode, with 72 tons of active material loaded in reactors and 200 tons spend fuel stored on site. Americans will use flesh rotting chemical weapons, gas bombs on civilians - all not reported and later under-reported by the Western mass media. Death in tens millions, hell in hell. Mass migration in ten/hundred millions from the Middle East, out of total 500 mln population.
Israel enters into Great Israel stage, the map Natanyahu shown at UN plenary session on 22 September 2023. And beyond those borders. With false Messiah pointed by them, just to get all those mad evangelical Christians in the USA and everywhere else, who are all Zionists, on their side.
If Trump doesn’t follow, he will be poisoned. His son Barron becoming interim president.
Pivotal in this war will be a new player, but not a superpower, Turkiye. It will leave NATO and associate with Russia and Pakistan for nuclear umbrella.
Russia and/or Pakistan will nuke Israel, to prevent them from using remaining bombs on Turkiye and elsewhere.
There would be immediately hot front on NATO East border. Six countries will be at active war. Large American armaments will be coming, they will send all they have, and they still have a lot - bar nukes. Zaporozhe nuclear power plant, the largest in Europe, will be once again bombed, but this time at critical danger level. All borders in Europe shut and with full military mobilisation, to prevent mass migration from Ukrainian and Middle East humanitarian disaster and stop deserters, conscripts from war countries.
It will be a very fast paced war, with many war theatres around the glob, will end
Chine will try to stay away as far as possible. To prevent nuclear war they will use biological weapon, highly deadly pandemic, with not known medicines to cure. All active fronts and any military activity will cease. Putin single-handedly stopped Covid, which was just socio-engineering, by war on Banderites, Xi will stop nuclear war with ensuring nuclear winter, by real mass death. That will save humanity for 1-2 generations, when the 4 WW will annihilate 99% of us.
A captivating title indeed! - and suiting to a large extent,to a spiritually bereft and beleaguered generation, where base hatred, and potential violence stir and rumble below the facade, or surface, of social life on our planet today and threaten to erupt into a chaos and violence held back only by the primitive fear of inhibition.
I thought of this and the apparent normalcy of so called business class passengers on long haul flights around the globe, captured within metal walls, reassured by menu choices of superb foods delicately presented and served while jetting around the world to God knows where - hand basketballing to hell perhaps...
American military decline will lead to inevitable use of weapons of mass destruction. Likely dirty bombs, but in white gloves, by hands of Israelis, French, Brits, Emiratis or whoever else become a tool in this game.
Iranians would retaliate on the offending state with proportional response, destroying their nuclear laboratories, sea ports with nuclear ships, power stations, strategic installations.
Intimidation tactics are good against an adversary that fears confrontation. There is no intimidating an enemy that has seen through a facade and is willing to pay back in kind. In that case there is only confrontation. Then who knows how far that confrontation goes with an adversary with little to lose?
Right. The only true “win” for Trump (but hardly for civilization) involves nuclear weapons. A terrifying move, but he exhibits desperate levels of emotional need—a destabilizing mental condition.
Rabbi Trumps present mental state, and the lack or presence of any conditions therein, has very little bearing on actual world affairs, and my sincere wish is that more people stopped ascribing to him certain higher qualities and degrees of agency that are not readily observed in used condoms.
Iran is too weak to require use of nuclear weapons. The regime can be soundly defeated and toppled with a campaign of strategic bombing. It is Trump’s hesitance in ordering and sticking with such a campaign that has led to such a prolonged conflict.
Like the US doesn’t have 500 Tomahawks and 5000 500 lb bombs and JDAMs in theatre which could be delivered in a week without really breaking a sweat and with very low losses. With loss of all major rail stations, ports, airports, power stations, warehouses, and refineries, how long can the regime last?
They did a strategic bombing campaign already. It failed. Where were you? And if what you say is true, and they could pull tomahawks out of their ass to do it all again, why aren't they doing it already?
Iran doesn’t have that capability. They will score a few hits, but most Gulf State facilities will survive with at worst minor damage. The point of strategic bombing is that it eliminates capabilities. How many drones can be produced without electricity? How do the missiles get moved to launch sites when all the fuel depots are ablaze? With a finite limited supply of drones and missiles and all the steel mills and factories obliterated so more cannot be made, what strategy does Iran pursue? Blast their neighbors or go after US forces in theatre? Thousands of missiles and drones have been fired at the UAE and Kuwait. Few have gotten through. What Iran has left is a much reduced inventory. Will the next few thousand missiles they fire have a better chance of getting through after we have had lots of practice to hone our defensive skills?
The Americans lack missiles, they lack air defense, and they lack the willpower. The Iranians have played their hand well and retain the support of Russia and China. They will wipe the floor with any American invasion, and they will sustain minimal damage relative to what they will dish out to the treacherous Arab regimes in the region plus israel. What you are claiming after 7 months of failed anglo-american-zionist policy against Iran is a pipedream.
My understanding of the word is that it describes a person who is so "pathetic" that he spends his time in the bath trying to catch bubbles from his farts. (Apologies to the ladies for the possibly offensive tone of my remark)
Seneff attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), earning her Bachelor of Science (BS) in Biophysics in 1968, Master's (MS) and Engineering (E.E.) degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1980, and a doctoral degree (PhD) in computer science and Electrical Engineering in 1985. She is a senior research scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL). Her research career focused on using computational modeling and analysis of the human auditory system to improve communication between humans and computers.
Bet on the offensive capacity for Iran being able to conduct invasion into Iraq and potentially Syria. Ops on US soil? The enemy is dying why accelerate the inevitable? Nah waste of time and energy. Permanent displacement of US forces and their proxies? That is assuredly on the table.
Iran has successfully placed at least 13 domestically built satellites into Earth orbit using its own locally developed space-launch vehicles (such as the Safir, Simorgh, Qased, and Qaem-100 series) since its first successful orbital launch in 2009.
Since Iran has been able to put satellites into orbit these last 17 years with their own launch vehicles, plus have demonstrated reliable, accurate STEERABLE hypersonic re entry vehicles and multiple warhead busses to carry them? They most likely can already drop an ICBM warhead onto North America any place/time they feel like it.
It doesn't even have to be nuke-tipped, brother. The psychological effect of a ton of powerful HE landing somewhere significant in the continental US will have a shock effect equivalent to a 100kt drop of the hard stuff
Yes, my thoughts too. If they can make orbital launches they must have the capacity to build ICBMs. Have they done so is a nice bit of strategic ambiguity to have up one's sleeve.
I notice the Iranians seem to have built their various newer intermediate range missiles so upper/lower stages & payloads are interchangable, they can mix and match for 3 stages + payload (or a warhead).
If I were the USA and an Iranian ballistic missile was launched from Iran headed to the usa, I would have an SSBN on station off Iran fire 20 nukes back at them. You could just say that we thought that ICBM was a nuke.
There is a reason why Russia tells the usa ahead of time they are about to fire an Oreshnik, its to prevent that kind of reply. I could see Iran launch some drones at the usa from a cargo ship container, but not an ICBM.
Can Iran drive the US out of the ME? Is that feasible? In the end, the ramifications for the USA's attack on Iran, might turn out to be horrendous, significantly accelerating the US's demise.
You can well see how they have become targets of pogroms throughout the centuries all over the world. And of course they never question themselves over what might be the cause of those pogroms but are satisfied to remain permanent "victims".
Given 'Jewery' \= Kahanist Israel your conflation of the two and call for a pogrom against the former is either an IDF provocation equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism, OR straightforwardly moronic Nazi antisemitism, OR ignorantly clueless racism. Either way, all your 'anti-Jewery' stupidity does is serve Israeli interests. Ask the Ayatollahs, they're not against Judaism and its diverse ethnicities but rather are fighting a now openly genocidal apartheid Zionist state which itself is just a neocolonial proxy for US/Western power in West Asia.
It needn't be a pogrom: why would not a removal -- a mass DEPORTATION from our country serve as well, or even better? Let's start with the AIPAC handlers that EVERY SINGLE congressional-termite is individually saddled with? Talk about a criminal's ankle bracelet! Throw out the financial supporters and organizers of election and financial fraud. Then ALL the personnel here, and in Central America 'facilitating' the swarms of immvaders. (Is there a statue of limitations on treason? I think not.)
Jewish theology is based on the notion of a partisan god who chooses a specific tribal lineage from among all the peoples of the earth to project himself into the world. Who is and can be Jewish? “One who is born of a Jewish woman,” Judaism answers. Being Jewish, therefore, is a biological fact, a “race.” Judaism does not allow anyone who is not born of a Jewish woman to become Jewish. They do not practice proselytizing nor do they accept conversions. On this basis are built the laws that shape the rabbinic state of Israel and that limit nationality. Their latest update is the nationality laws promulgated by the State of Israel in 2018; ultimately, a Jewish state for Jews.
Hence, when Judaism attempts to realize itself politically in the form of a nation, it is only capable of expressing itself as an exclusivist political theology, essentially racist and biologistic. A political theology that cannot include in its political project anyone who does not belong to the “chosen people.” The “chosen people” are forbidden from growing through the conversion of Gentiles. The relationship of the Jewish people with other peoples of the earth can only be conceived from this political theology in terms of domination, exclusion, or extermination.
The different forms and historical manifestations of Jewish political theology may be called Zionism, Kahanism, or something else, but in their essence they are identical. And they always end in destruction, anti-Jewish pogroms, exile, and dispersion, as happened with the “First Temple,” the “Second Temple,” or the contemporary “Third Temple.” It is a dead-end political theology, incapable of projecting itself historically, based on the exclusivist principles and foundations upon which it is based. Judaism has no other political future than the Diaspora. A tragic destiny.
What we observe in the behavior of the State of Israel is not a circumstantial and avoidable deviation, but the "natural" projection of a theology that, when it tries to realize itself politically, is incapable of doing so in any other way. And they have been doing so since the Nakba of 1948.
Alas, once the jew is gone, the world will consume itself fighting one another in the battle of Armageddon. The jew is no different than any other wicked person. All who live in the Hell-realm live in the Hell-realm. The righteous live in an entirely different reality.
What do they think War is? Whining over long hours, sanitations and bad food??
Did they expect hamburgers, tacos, burritos every day between bombing the shit out of Iran?
Have they ever talked to a Ukrainian (or Russian soldier) in the trenches underground or ruins of former villages? How do they think Palestinians feel in concrete rubble&dust in Gaza after almost 3 years? Hey, palestinians have been victimized during 78 years…and as W. Bush said once: How do we expect them to not protest, throwing stones or outright fight back?
Oh, I forgot, US people in their 30 have never talked with veterans of Guadacanal, Korea or Khe Sahn and never viewed a History book.
Why is Diegos and Pedros wifes whining all that? Why do women whine in worthless US media over the conditions of their soldiers? What if a missile enters the hull of Abe? Starting War means that you could suffer too - not just smiling over bombs launched somewhere else.
Has US entered in a normalcy bias? Yes, ever since the end of WW2. Has it escalated? Yes, and they didnt notice that someone else has taken over their nation.
The moral disengagement of US, the act of deep cognitive dissonance where they have acted immorally and justified it as exceptionalism, liberal democracy and rule based world order is starting to bite them in the a**.
Is it over? No, its just the beginning of the beginning - the End will be much worse if we comes there.
Diegos and Pedros are basically Central American mercenaries and the deal was to be able to live comfortably while bombing some distant place or unarmed ship once in a while.
it's because you don't understand:-): 1 USA soldiers/citizens are more worth than 10 ZILLION other non USA soldier or citizen. It's like you can kill a million people, nobody really upset, but you kill 1 baby, just one, or let's make it 40 beheaded babies, and billions are upset, forgetting that the million that have been killed where once babies as well. Or take the poverty in Africa. Young children dying, many donating to these children, but then these children get older: no education, no jobs, no future and we definitely don't want them here.
Of course we know that the USA soldier/citizen is only important for propaganda purpose and for giving the government the reason to funnel more money to the MIC to revenge the 1 soldier, even while they already killed tens of thousands of the other. It's sick and the majority is manipulated by those who are very well aware of human flaws/weaknesses, the tribal brain, not made for current society, but for small groups where narcissists, psychopaths and other anomalities we see in high government places and the top of large organizations, would have been taken out, to protect the tribe.
Yes, I was also thinking about the conditions that the WW2 sailors on US aircraft carriers endured. I don't know but I suspect it was miserable as well. Of course, it's hard to provision a ship deployed for so long, but it is a war! The lack of interest from the US regime, though, is telling.
would be mutiny and those guys evacuated by heli and never again see the sun.
leaving your post while in combat? that's a life sentence in some military prison where you'll beg for death in few months.
the fact that this snake oil peddler gives a lot of space to this bs and just a phrase to say that maybe is propaganda says it all about what happens here :))))
"Have they ever talked to a Ukrainian (or Russian soldier) in the trenches underground or ruins of former villages?"
These are NOT our uniformed military on the front lines in trenches without good resupply. This is the vaunted U.S. NAVY on one of the largest -- and SHOULD be best-supplied -- ships on the planet! They rightly EXPECT to be resupplied as/before needed!
WHY has the chain-of-command not loaded a supply plane (or ten!) with EVERYTHING the sailors need, and RESTOCKED our carrier?! IF these reports are true -- and alas, I would not be wholly surprised if so -- why has the Command Master Chief Petty Officer (CMC) -- taken it for action to protect the sailors?
Col. Wilkerson: "I'm a soldier but I think our Navy is the most important arm of our armed forces because it protects our commerce, it keeps the seas open. The founders didn't write in the Constitution "to raise and support armies", they wrote "to provide for a navy"; there's a reason why they wrote that. And we're letting that navy go to hell."
There is a difference between a deployment and time between ports of call. The Lincoln has not seen land for over 200 days. With a port of call one can obtain fresh food.
That article is 10 months old. It outlines what “should “ happen not what -is- happening. The article stresses that good food is required to maintain good morale. If sailors are committing suicide obviously morale is not “good “.
If there was a purpose to the deployment, I’m sure sailors would be less depressed. But it’s all about Trump’s ego and how embarrassed he is to have allowed Bibi make him look like an utter fool.
Perhaps you might take a moment and explain to us why the US is at war with Iran.
And I trace some critic against me but the only thing I was doing is to give some substantial content to this discussion. Idiots who thinks the sailors are starving and resorting to cannibalism dont know a thing.
And people who believe they have Lobster as a Dinner deserves to work with the lavatory on a carrier.
” If there was a purpose to the deployment, I’m sure sailors would be less depressed. ”. The purpose is crystal clear. Soldiers dont ask or ”feel” depressed - they obey and die as asked. Have you been addicted to feminist controlled media or what?
US is attacking Iran because Israel decided to attack it whatever what.
As Rubio said: we had no choice, other than to join.
The Orange man then have his go trying to wind this up as another Nobel Peace prize. Everyone except you, perhaps, knows that the War is for Israels sake, the Oil and the purpose of denying China some oil.
Collateral benefits is selling more liquid gas/oil to Europe and in between get some other Billions because you control the tweets and the narrative.
Your disrespect for members of the armed services is showing.
There is no “crystal clear “ reason for the deployment. It has failed utterly. Yes, the Oligarchy is using Israel as a proxy to steal wealth from West Asia. What else is new? How does this deployment achieve that?
What you don’t get is that the sailors and marines aboard the Lincoln do not support this war, just as most American people do not support it. In fact, they hate it and see no compelling reason why they should be forced to endure prolonged deployment under poor conditions. What is now happening is not unlike what happened in the U.S. military during the Vietnam War. When the soldiers stopped believing in the mission, they lost the motivation to perform their jobs.
If you are right, then its going to be even funnier to follow this feminine drama.
I didnt notice that soldiers had to believe in the missions - I thought they followed orders…
The mutinies on USS Sumter, Kitty Hawk and Constellation in 1972 was all thanks to ”racial tension” not per se a protest against the War.
If both American people and their soldiers/servicemen hate the special operation against Iran - how come no one hears about it?
All those fires and sabotaged cloaks on US Carriers is not a protest against the War. Its a decline in civilized manners and pure IQ by wellknown causes.
I will believe when I see real protests and mutinies.
I will repeat what I wrote about the Vietnam War experience. Many U.S. soldiers came to believe that the entire enterprise was a sick joke that placed them in great danger. They began using drugs to anesthetize themselves and many became addicted. They refused to obey orders. In some cases, they even took to killing (fragging) some of their own officers. In summary, it was a massive breakdown in morale. We don’t know the full details of what is happening on the Lincoln, but it may be similar to the events in VN.
I will speculate and say that in both cases, if the soldiers believed that their mission was truly serving the American people, morale would not have broken down. A good example of that was World War II.
As for no one hearing about the unpopularity of the Iran War, I must wonder if you are seeing the polling numbers on that subject. The results are in, and the people vote NO. Some news channels may not report on these negative opinion polls. As for the opinions of the soldiers themselves, the DOD would never allow the release of such polling.
I dont trust polls but talk with American friends. They love that US Navy and Airforce is pounding the ”arabs” as they call the Persians of Iran.
I think many normal americans are against the War but unsure on what grounds.
I agree with your writing in general. Nam experience was a hell of a ride for the whole American society. And this Iran adventure could be a tough lesson for US but not the earthquake Nam was.
I think drugs is used even of you believe in the cause. Look at the Ukrainians - they need drugs to stay awake and chase away the Dragons in the dark. Have you seen Syrsky sober in any interview?
There are a number of significant differences between the Vietnam War and the Iran War, and one of the biggest is that during the former, the U.S. military had a draft, while during the latter, there is no draft. Mandatory conscription sucks all levels of society into the war. A voluntary military, as exists today, mostly involves young people from lower socioeconomic classes. Everyone else just goes along having a nice day.
OTOH, the war with Iran (combined with the war in Ukraine) is shaping up to be the tipping point for the American empire. Losing in VN did not have that kind of geopolitical impact.
Maybe, we are not there yet. And the case with voluntary military against mandatory conscription is true but should also mean that the ”risk” of mutiny and discontent would be lower now than in Vietnam War.
This narrative of the Empires breakdowns refutes historical brekdowns that took centuries to evolve. In ”modern” times only the Habsburg Empire was a quick one and mere a result of a defeat.
The word defeat and for that matter victory is so misunderstood nowadays.
I want to make one more point. Some of the reports I have seen regarding sailors and marines on the Lincoln trying to jump overboard do not make clear that these are suicide attempts. The shipmates pulling them back are literally saving their lives.
Agree. But I doubt they would commit suicide from hunger or a missed shower. Tragic it is but a reality that service during War stress people and some of them crack. I hope we can get some more evidence of a ”rotten Abe” but Trump said that there is no problem and they can go for duty even longer.
And he himself is a freak eith his spray tan, unnatural fake hair and his huge childbearing hips and x-shaped legs. Especially when he tries to run. Natanyahoo is similar
I love this guy Simplicius. I may not agree with him 100%, but his boundless dexterity with words is unsurpassed, something I can merely hope to emulate in some mediocre ways, like a little kid following an adult. LOL!
I can only read and gape in astonishment at this unfolding magical tapestry of language. Uber-English?
There is a long way to go. The English language has over 470 000 words (some count over a million). The average native speaker has a vocabulary of about 25 000, but only uses a fraction of that in day-to-day conversation. Those who learn it as a second language generally get by with fewer than 10 000.
As a not-native speaker, I am very much crushed by your statistics. Also, once we jump up in all our excitement about the tapestry of language or a fabric of our times, shall we go deeper into the group of languages, such as Indo-European one, and all the nations including nuclear power ones that are in this one happy dysfunctional linguistic family?
I don't have a linguistic background but we are talking about living languages versus dead languages. And the geography of the living languages of Indo-European family which covers the current war zones so to speak.
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. If there is a public discourse among peoples, besides "my ballistic missile is bigger than yours" which is sorta kinda gender analysis of the peculiar situation we are in, may I suggest that there are not so many differences among us but some of us mastered ballistic missiles better than others.
Essentially he's cheating himself, which is just another form of self-delusion.
all of em do
apparently GW Busch was a good golfer tho...
The Golden Age reborn.
Maybe?
Well done, Chris!
That is sure
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/encore-at-the-cirque-du-hormuz-the/comment/313737883
The next stage of 3 WW is coming at the end of this year.
No matter what are Iran-USA diplomatic talks, Iran will be nuked, by hands of Israel. Bushehr nuclear power plant will be dirty bombed, it will explode, with 72 tons of active material loaded in reactors and 200 tons spend fuel stored on site. Americans will use flesh rotting chemical weapons, gas bombs on civilians - all not reported and later under-reported by the Western mass media. Death in tens millions, hell in hell. Mass migration in ten/hundred millions from the Middle East, out of total 500 mln population.
Israel enters into Great Israel stage, the map Natanyahu shown at UN plenary session on 22 September 2023. And beyond those borders. With false Messiah pointed by them, just to get all those mad evangelical Christians in the USA and everywhere else, who are all Zionists, on their side.
If Trump doesn’t follow, he will be poisoned. His son Barron becoming interim president.
Pivotal in this war will be a new player, but not a superpower, Turkiye. It will leave NATO and associate with Russia and Pakistan for nuclear umbrella.
Russia and/or Pakistan will nuke Israel, to prevent them from using remaining bombs on Turkiye and elsewhere.
There would be immediately hot front on NATO East border. Six countries will be at active war. Large American armaments will be coming, they will send all they have, and they still have a lot - bar nukes. Zaporozhe nuclear power plant, the largest in Europe, will be once again bombed, but this time at critical danger level. All borders in Europe shut and with full military mobilisation, to prevent mass migration from Ukrainian and Middle East humanitarian disaster and stop deserters, conscripts from war countries.
It will be a very fast paced war, with many war theatres around the glob, will end
Chine will try to stay away as far as possible. To prevent nuclear war they will use biological weapon, highly deadly pandemic, with not known medicines to cure. All active fronts and any military activity will cease. Putin single-handedly stopped Covid, which was just socio-engineering, by war on Banderites, Xi will stop nuclear war with ensuring nuclear winter, by real mass death. That will save humanity for 1-2 generations, when the 4 WW will annihilate 99% of us.
Woo hoo Chris! And great title Simplicius.
A captivating title indeed! - and suiting to a large extent,to a spiritually bereft and beleaguered generation, where base hatred, and potential violence stir and rumble below the facade, or surface, of social life on our planet today and threaten to erupt into a chaos and violence held back only by the primitive fear of inhibition.
I thought of this and the apparent normalcy of so called business class passengers on long haul flights around the globe, captured within metal walls, reassured by menu choices of superb foods delicately presented and served while jetting around the world to God knows where - hand basketballing to hell perhaps...
American military decline will lead to inevitable use of weapons of mass destruction. Likely dirty bombs, but in white gloves, by hands of Israelis, French, Brits, Emiratis or whoever else become a tool in this game.
Iranians would retaliate on the offending state with proportional response, destroying their nuclear laboratories, sea ports with nuclear ships, power stations, strategic installations.
Intimidation tactics are good against an adversary that fears confrontation. There is no intimidating an enemy that has seen through a facade and is willing to pay back in kind. In that case there is only confrontation. Then who knows how far that confrontation goes with an adversary with little to lose?
Right. The only true “win” for Trump (but hardly for civilization) involves nuclear weapons. A terrifying move, but he exhibits desperate levels of emotional need—a destabilizing mental condition.
Rabbi Trumps present mental state, and the lack or presence of any conditions therein, has very little bearing on actual world affairs, and my sincere wish is that more people stopped ascribing to him certain higher qualities and degrees of agency that are not readily observed in used condoms.
Iran is too weak to require use of nuclear weapons. The regime can be soundly defeated and toppled with a campaign of strategic bombing. It is Trump’s hesitance in ordering and sticking with such a campaign that has led to such a prolonged conflict.
Stop smoking rocks.
Like the US doesn’t have 500 Tomahawks and 5000 500 lb bombs and JDAMs in theatre which could be delivered in a week without really breaking a sweat and with very low losses. With loss of all major rail stations, ports, airports, power stations, warehouses, and refineries, how long can the regime last?
They did a strategic bombing campaign already. It failed. Where were you? And if what you say is true, and they could pull tomahawks out of their ass to do it all again, why aren't they doing it already?
Then Iran obliterates all gulf state water and oil production. Not thinking that far ahead are you numptee or is it you just don’t care.
Iran doesn’t have that capability. They will score a few hits, but most Gulf State facilities will survive with at worst minor damage. The point of strategic bombing is that it eliminates capabilities. How many drones can be produced without electricity? How do the missiles get moved to launch sites when all the fuel depots are ablaze? With a finite limited supply of drones and missiles and all the steel mills and factories obliterated so more cannot be made, what strategy does Iran pursue? Blast their neighbors or go after US forces in theatre? Thousands of missiles and drones have been fired at the UAE and Kuwait. Few have gotten through. What Iran has left is a much reduced inventory. Will the next few thousand missiles they fire have a better chance of getting through after we have had lots of practice to hone our defensive skills?
The Americans lack missiles, they lack air defense, and they lack the willpower. The Iranians have played their hand well and retain the support of Russia and China. They will wipe the floor with any American invasion, and they will sustain minimal damage relative to what they will dish out to the treacherous Arab regimes in the region plus israel. What you are claiming after 7 months of failed anglo-american-zionist policy against Iran is a pipedream.
Podium.
"bathetic". When do we not ever learn a new word from Simp?
Does it mean finding it very difficult to get out of the bath?
My understanding of the word is that it describes a person who is so "pathetic" that he spends his time in the bath trying to catch bubbles from his farts. (Apologies to the ladies for the possibly offensive tone of my remark)
”bathos”
the bathetic emotionalism of soap operas
It's serious, don't try white washing it
Those are the "bath O's"
It would be nice if they could get in the bath, if this picture is anything to go by.
https://news-pravda.com/img/20260813/3831eb8ce9508c14cd379773f39c97fc.jpg
USS Bowel Event Horizon.
It's someone with a cold trying to say "pathetic"
It means "in the manner of Brian Bathetic".
The Romans were said to have been brought down by lead in their water.
The US can do a lot better than that - pesticides, contraceptives, rocket fuel, fluoride, and thousands of forever chemicals.
Nothing says I love you like PFAS.
I always like to include a voucher for an mRNA injection in my overtures.
Sage advice to the younger generation. Add a little microchipping and it's a can't fail strategy.
Plus Sheizer, Murderna, Astra Satanica....
Glyphosate.
with a (dis)tasteful topping of Ai. with barbed wire all around one's R&R, what could go wrong indeed.
Now you're talking!
"Toxic Legacy" by the brilliant Dr Stephanie Seneff. Highly recommended.
https://stephanieseneff.net/book/
Steph is an absolute gem.
Seneff attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), earning her Bachelor of Science (BS) in Biophysics in 1968, Master's (MS) and Engineering (E.E.) degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1980, and a doctoral degree (PhD) in computer science and Electrical Engineering in 1985. She is a senior research scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL). Her research career focused on using computational modeling and analysis of the human auditory system to improve communication between humans and computers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Seneff
I know about her because of her work on the interaction between cholesterol in the skin, and sunlight, and vitamin D.
It's many years ago now, so the details are somewhat sparse.
Don't forget a heaping serving of High Fructose Corn Syrup made from GMO corn..
Yes, Victor. "bathetic" and "kitschy" are holding hands.
Simp demonstrates what it means to be a (non-artficiel) human, yes?
In a movie, on the other hand, a hero gives a grand speech about saving the universe, only to immediately complain that the hero is hungry.
"O tempora, o mores!"
I'm just waiting for him to put synecdoche into a sentence.
But I'll accept metonymy.
Or eponymous at a stretch.
Bet on the offensive capacity for Iran being able to conduct invasion into Iraq and potentially Syria. Ops on US soil? The enemy is dying why accelerate the inevitable? Nah waste of time and energy. Permanent displacement of US forces and their proxies? That is assuredly on the table.
It obviously means they will build and develop intercontinental ballistic missiles.
@Oni
Iran has successfully placed at least 13 domestically built satellites into Earth orbit using its own locally developed space-launch vehicles (such as the Safir, Simorgh, Qased, and Qaem-100 series) since its first successful orbital launch in 2009.
Since Iran has been able to put satellites into orbit these last 17 years with their own launch vehicles, plus have demonstrated reliable, accurate STEERABLE hypersonic re entry vehicles and multiple warhead busses to carry them? They most likely can already drop an ICBM warhead onto North America any place/time they feel like it.
Yes it's clear Iran is a leader in the development of missiles, I have no doubt that creating an ICBM is simply a matter of giving the order.
It doesn't even have to be nuke-tipped, brother. The psychological effect of a ton of powerful HE landing somewhere significant in the continental US will have a shock effect equivalent to a 100kt drop of the hard stuff
I suggest somewhere (you know where) in Langley Virginia.
Or in the centre of the gardens within the Pentagon building.
or the WH's New Ballroom.
or, in Trump's own words: "Praise be to Allah!" (yuck).
The man is disgustingly uncouth. As the public figurehead of the USA he is a shameful embarrassment.
Yes, my thoughts too. If they can make orbital launches they must have the capacity to build ICBMs. Have they done so is a nice bit of strategic ambiguity to have up one's sleeve.
I notice the Iranians seem to have built their various newer intermediate range missiles so upper/lower stages & payloads are interchangable, they can mix and match for 3 stages + payload (or a warhead).
If I were the USA and an Iranian ballistic missile was launched from Iran headed to the usa, I would have an SSBN on station off Iran fire 20 nukes back at them. You could just say that we thought that ICBM was a nuke.
There is a reason why Russia tells the usa ahead of time they are about to fire an Oreshnik, its to prevent that kind of reply. I could see Iran launch some drones at the usa from a cargo ship container, but not an ICBM.
🖕🏿. American exceptionalism much?
the guy you are fighting with puts his hand in his pocket; you think he may have a gun.
you have guns too.
would you wait to see what will come out of that pocket?
We’ve put many thousands into space and went to the moon a decade before the shitty “revolution”, without the metric system.
Pathetic scorecard
Please clarify what your comment has to do with the comment you apparently tried to reply to?
Iraq can be accomplished by the ju playbook of sponsoring revolution
the shia majority should evict the leadership violently
Let Trump surrender himself to the authorities in Tehran.
IRGC promises him a fair trial - and a quick death.
His special envoys can go with him inside a food box.
https://news-pravda.com/world/2026/08/16/2519381.html
Can Iran drive the US out of the ME? Is that feasible? In the end, the ramifications for the USA's attack on Iran, might turn out to be horrendous, significantly accelerating the US's demise.
It's not only feasible - they've already done it.
The US is simply catching up with the new reality.
But the real enemy is the jew, that drove Trump into his suicidal stupidity.
Once the jew is gone, the world will know peace.
The jewery has been earning itself a beautiful and extensive pogrom for decades.
You can well see how they have become targets of pogroms throughout the centuries all over the world. And of course they never question themselves over what might be the cause of those pogroms but are satisfied to remain permanent "victims".
They know perfectly well that they are the criminal perps.
The first one was Cain, who murdered his brother and then lied to God about what he had done.
Why stop what always has - and seems like always WILL work? We need to keep awakening the herds...
Are you IDF? You Kahanists need to be repudiated along with their genocidal apartheid state and mad dreams of Greater Israel.
Please refrain from insults. Only criminals can be members of the IDF.
Given 'Jewery' \= Kahanist Israel your conflation of the two and call for a pogrom against the former is either an IDF provocation equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism, OR straightforwardly moronic Nazi antisemitism, OR ignorantly clueless racism. Either way, all your 'anti-Jewery' stupidity does is serve Israeli interests. Ask the Ayatollahs, they're not against Judaism and its diverse ethnicities but rather are fighting a now openly genocidal apartheid Zionist state which itself is just a neocolonial proxy for US/Western power in West Asia.
Knee-jerk reaction? Hit you too close to home?
It needn't be a pogrom: why would not a removal -- a mass DEPORTATION from our country serve as well, or even better? Let's start with the AIPAC handlers that EVERY SINGLE congressional-termite is individually saddled with? Talk about a criminal's ankle bracelet! Throw out the financial supporters and organizers of election and financial fraud. Then ALL the personnel here, and in Central America 'facilitating' the swarms of immvaders. (Is there a statue of limitations on treason? I think not.)
Jewish theology is based on the notion of a partisan god who chooses a specific tribal lineage from among all the peoples of the earth to project himself into the world. Who is and can be Jewish? “One who is born of a Jewish woman,” Judaism answers. Being Jewish, therefore, is a biological fact, a “race.” Judaism does not allow anyone who is not born of a Jewish woman to become Jewish. They do not practice proselytizing nor do they accept conversions. On this basis are built the laws that shape the rabbinic state of Israel and that limit nationality. Their latest update is the nationality laws promulgated by the State of Israel in 2018; ultimately, a Jewish state for Jews.
Hence, when Judaism attempts to realize itself politically in the form of a nation, it is only capable of expressing itself as an exclusivist political theology, essentially racist and biologistic. A political theology that cannot include in its political project anyone who does not belong to the “chosen people.” The “chosen people” are forbidden from growing through the conversion of Gentiles. The relationship of the Jewish people with other peoples of the earth can only be conceived from this political theology in terms of domination, exclusion, or extermination.
The different forms and historical manifestations of Jewish political theology may be called Zionism, Kahanism, or something else, but in their essence they are identical. And they always end in destruction, anti-Jewish pogroms, exile, and dispersion, as happened with the “First Temple,” the “Second Temple,” or the contemporary “Third Temple.” It is a dead-end political theology, incapable of projecting itself historically, based on the exclusivist principles and foundations upon which it is based. Judaism has no other political future than the Diaspora. A tragic destiny.
What we observe in the behavior of the State of Israel is not a circumstantial and avoidable deviation, but the "natural" projection of a theology that, when it tries to realize itself politically, is incapable of doing so in any other way. And they have been doing so since the Nakba of 1948.
Absolutely nothing wrong with apartheid.
Alas, once the jew is gone, the world will consume itself fighting one another in the battle of Armageddon. The jew is no different than any other wicked person. All who live in the Hell-realm live in the Hell-realm. The righteous live in an entirely different reality.
I doubt the US will let it, because if that happened, its game over for Israhell.
When you come to simplicius, not for the war updates, but for the novel words you learn...
Word of the day: bathetic
I’m flabbergasted
Absolutely true. I am regularly fascinated by the words and beautiful constructions of sentences he displays!
Excellent
And the infinite number of used attributes...
Never stop learning!
bathetic = barbaric + pathetic, I like it!
I hate being pedantic but it is derived from 'bathos', meaning the feeling you get from a ridiculous anti-climax
Meant to say you truly are Number 1 lol. FYI people used to compete to be the first comment on here. Competition was stiff for a while. 😂
No number one. “No-one”, as in “nobody” 😉.
The jokes write themselves (or sit in office 🤣)
Haahaaa, no doubt! 🤣
Come for the new vocabulary, stay for the flawless grammar.
In order to pass MSM censors, I had to name trump poltroon-in-chief.
This is going to be fun…
What do they think War is? Whining over long hours, sanitations and bad food??
Did they expect hamburgers, tacos, burritos every day between bombing the shit out of Iran?
Have they ever talked to a Ukrainian (or Russian soldier) in the trenches underground or ruins of former villages? How do they think Palestinians feel in concrete rubble&dust in Gaza after almost 3 years? Hey, palestinians have been victimized during 78 years…and as W. Bush said once: How do we expect them to not protest, throwing stones or outright fight back?
Oh, I forgot, US people in their 30 have never talked with veterans of Guadacanal, Korea or Khe Sahn and never viewed a History book.
Why is Diegos and Pedros wifes whining all that? Why do women whine in worthless US media over the conditions of their soldiers? What if a missile enters the hull of Abe? Starting War means that you could suffer too - not just smiling over bombs launched somewhere else.
Has US entered in a normalcy bias? Yes, ever since the end of WW2. Has it escalated? Yes, and they didnt notice that someone else has taken over their nation.
The moral disengagement of US, the act of deep cognitive dissonance where they have acted immorally and justified it as exceptionalism, liberal democracy and rule based world order is starting to bite them in the a**.
Is it over? No, its just the beginning of the beginning - the End will be much worse if we comes there.
Diegos and Pedros are basically Central American mercenaries and the deal was to be able to live comfortably while bombing some distant place or unarmed ship once in a while.
it's because you don't understand:-): 1 USA soldiers/citizens are more worth than 10 ZILLION other non USA soldier or citizen. It's like you can kill a million people, nobody really upset, but you kill 1 baby, just one, or let's make it 40 beheaded babies, and billions are upset, forgetting that the million that have been killed where once babies as well. Or take the poverty in Africa. Young children dying, many donating to these children, but then these children get older: no education, no jobs, no future and we definitely don't want them here.
Of course we know that the USA soldier/citizen is only important for propaganda purpose and for giving the government the reason to funnel more money to the MIC to revenge the 1 soldier, even while they already killed tens of thousands of the other. It's sick and the majority is manipulated by those who are very well aware of human flaws/weaknesses, the tribal brain, not made for current society, but for small groups where narcissists, psychopaths and other anomalities we see in high government places and the top of large organizations, would have been taken out, to protect the tribe.
always park in the reserved US military / police parking spots....
Yes, I was also thinking about the conditions that the WW2 sailors on US aircraft carriers endured. I don't know but I suspect it was miserable as well. Of course, it's hard to provision a ship deployed for so long, but it is a war! The lack of interest from the US regime, though, is telling.
A quick search uncovered this.
https://worldwarwings.com/why-wwii-aircraft-carrier-life-was-so-harsh-for-sailors/?utm_source=copilot.com
jew war then - jew war now....
You are obsessed with your racist tropes
I think you mis-spelled TRUTHS. Pls try again.
"it's hard to provision a ship deployed for so long"
Unless it ammo and missiles. THOSE we can do just fine!
Um, no, we can't really do that either. It's time for Wile E. Coyote to look down.
Exactly isn't that what this is all about, running out of munitions
Our fearless leaders don't seem to realize we are running out of everything, including our country.
Unless they do, and it's all on purpose.
TLDR - even the goyim cannon fodder is noticing they kill and die only for the jew ..
that thing is not real, be serious.
would be mutiny and those guys evacuated by heli and never again see the sun.
leaving your post while in combat? that's a life sentence in some military prison where you'll beg for death in few months.
the fact that this snake oil peddler gives a lot of space to this bs and just a phrase to say that maybe is propaganda says it all about what happens here :))))
Agree. Its not the Navy - its some sort of sizzy kindergarten, depicted as that from feminized media.
"Have they ever talked to a Ukrainian (or Russian soldier) in the trenches underground or ruins of former villages?"
These are NOT our uniformed military on the front lines in trenches without good resupply. This is the vaunted U.S. NAVY on one of the largest -- and SHOULD be best-supplied -- ships on the planet! They rightly EXPECT to be resupplied as/before needed!
WHY has the chain-of-command not loaded a supply plane (or ten!) with EVERYTHING the sailors need, and RESTOCKED our carrier?! IF these reports are true -- and alas, I would not be wholly surprised if so -- why has the Command Master Chief Petty Officer (CMC) -- taken it for action to protect the sailors?
Col. Wilkerson: "I'm a soldier but I think our Navy is the most important arm of our armed forces because it protects our commerce, it keeps the seas open. The founders didn't write in the Constitution "to raise and support armies", they wrote "to provide for a navy"; there's a reason why they wrote that. And we're letting that navy go to hell."
6 Pedros or Justins got enough (or not enough donuts) and tried to jump the ship.
6 out of 5000…the other 4994 endure.
Feminized media does feminized narratives about ”soap is out”. Who the f*ck cares about soap when in a War?
This is hyped.
The jerk complaining of 1/2 rice bowl…throw overboard.
End of story.
Glancing over your post I first read "RESTOCKED the caviar"
I posted this link separately but perhaps this is the answer to what the average American thinks war is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
There is a difference between a deployment and time between ports of call. The Lincoln has not seen land for over 200 days. With a port of call one can obtain fresh food.
What to do with fresh food? It will only last a week until unfresh.
If every carrier need to port regularly its of no use in projecting force.
Navy has 21-day cycle of pre-determined menues. Supplied by VertRep and UnRep:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/feeding-the-fleet-how-the-u-s-navy-serves-93-000-meals-a-day/ar-AA1MU8Ld
99% of the servicemen eat the ”food” and do their job. Shove the rest overboard.
That article is 10 months old. It outlines what “should “ happen not what -is- happening. The article stresses that good food is required to maintain good morale. If sailors are committing suicide obviously morale is not “good “.
If there was a purpose to the deployment, I’m sure sailors would be less depressed. But it’s all about Trump’s ego and how embarrassed he is to have allowed Bibi make him look like an utter fool.
Perhaps you might take a moment and explain to us why the US is at war with Iran.
Thats what propaganda looks like…
And I trace some critic against me but the only thing I was doing is to give some substantial content to this discussion. Idiots who thinks the sailors are starving and resorting to cannibalism dont know a thing.
And people who believe they have Lobster as a Dinner deserves to work with the lavatory on a carrier.
” If there was a purpose to the deployment, I’m sure sailors would be less depressed. ”. The purpose is crystal clear. Soldiers dont ask or ”feel” depressed - they obey and die as asked. Have you been addicted to feminist controlled media or what?
US is attacking Iran because Israel decided to attack it whatever what.
As Rubio said: we had no choice, other than to join.
The Orange man then have his go trying to wind this up as another Nobel Peace prize. Everyone except you, perhaps, knows that the War is for Israels sake, the Oil and the purpose of denying China some oil.
Collateral benefits is selling more liquid gas/oil to Europe and in between get some other Billions because you control the tweets and the narrative.
Your response is all over the place. So …
Who said anything about cannibalism?
Your disrespect for members of the armed services is showing.
There is no “crystal clear “ reason for the deployment. It has failed utterly. Yes, the Oligarchy is using Israel as a proxy to steal wealth from West Asia. What else is new? How does this deployment achieve that?
I dont know. I am against it. My disrespect is for the 6 whining servicemen doing shame and casting shadows over the other 4994.
”Cannibalism” was irony but I guess it would be the next thing we hear.
You have to rewire what you read of me. I can sense the prejudice from miles away.
Here's how Americans see war
https://www.google.com/imgres?q=laurie%20lipton&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boumbang.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2Flaurie-lipton-when-company-comes-i-have-to-perform-1989-.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boumbang.com%2Flaurie-lipton%2F&docid=L_f0MUkEn1YMlM&tbnid=FssomccMy50zwM&vet=12ahUKEwjE7tTiop-WAxU-wvACHY2HLIs4ChCc8A56BQiyAhAA..i&w=750&h=962&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwjE7tTiop-WAxU-wvACHY2HLIs4ChCc8A56BQiyAhAA#sv=CAMSXhoyKhBlLUlFZGpObUpjSTBNRGJNMg5JRWRqTm1KY0kwTURiTToOVERqc2JBbmp5bWRpME0gBCokCg5aMjlLTFRmaEw4STBZTRIQZS1JRWRqTm1KY0kwTURiTRgAMAEYByC_4_GzCUoIEAEYASABKAE
For some reason I am reminded of the Black Knight scene in Monty Python’s Holy Grail.
Mutiny on the USS Lincoln? Tis but a scratch.
The important thing to remember is that the USA is invincible ….
What you don’t get is that the sailors and marines aboard the Lincoln do not support this war, just as most American people do not support it. In fact, they hate it and see no compelling reason why they should be forced to endure prolonged deployment under poor conditions. What is now happening is not unlike what happened in the U.S. military during the Vietnam War. When the soldiers stopped believing in the mission, they lost the motivation to perform their jobs.
If you are right, then its going to be even funnier to follow this feminine drama.
I didnt notice that soldiers had to believe in the missions - I thought they followed orders…
The mutinies on USS Sumter, Kitty Hawk and Constellation in 1972 was all thanks to ”racial tension” not per se a protest against the War.
If both American people and their soldiers/servicemen hate the special operation against Iran - how come no one hears about it?
All those fires and sabotaged cloaks on US Carriers is not a protest against the War. Its a decline in civilized manners and pure IQ by wellknown causes.
I will believe when I see real protests and mutinies.
I will repeat what I wrote about the Vietnam War experience. Many U.S. soldiers came to believe that the entire enterprise was a sick joke that placed them in great danger. They began using drugs to anesthetize themselves and many became addicted. They refused to obey orders. In some cases, they even took to killing (fragging) some of their own officers. In summary, it was a massive breakdown in morale. We don’t know the full details of what is happening on the Lincoln, but it may be similar to the events in VN.
I will speculate and say that in both cases, if the soldiers believed that their mission was truly serving the American people, morale would not have broken down. A good example of that was World War II.
As for no one hearing about the unpopularity of the Iran War, I must wonder if you are seeing the polling numbers on that subject. The results are in, and the people vote NO. Some news channels may not report on these negative opinion polls. As for the opinions of the soldiers themselves, the DOD would never allow the release of such polling.
I dont trust polls but talk with American friends. They love that US Navy and Airforce is pounding the ”arabs” as they call the Persians of Iran.
I think many normal americans are against the War but unsure on what grounds.
I agree with your writing in general. Nam experience was a hell of a ride for the whole American society. And this Iran adventure could be a tough lesson for US but not the earthquake Nam was.
I think drugs is used even of you believe in the cause. Look at the Ukrainians - they need drugs to stay awake and chase away the Dragons in the dark. Have you seen Syrsky sober in any interview?
There are a number of significant differences between the Vietnam War and the Iran War, and one of the biggest is that during the former, the U.S. military had a draft, while during the latter, there is no draft. Mandatory conscription sucks all levels of society into the war. A voluntary military, as exists today, mostly involves young people from lower socioeconomic classes. Everyone else just goes along having a nice day.
OTOH, the war with Iran (combined with the war in Ukraine) is shaping up to be the tipping point for the American empire. Losing in VN did not have that kind of geopolitical impact.
Maybe, we are not there yet. And the case with voluntary military against mandatory conscription is true but should also mean that the ”risk” of mutiny and discontent would be lower now than in Vietnam War.
This narrative of the Empires breakdowns refutes historical brekdowns that took centuries to evolve. In ”modern” times only the Habsburg Empire was a quick one and mere a result of a defeat.
The word defeat and for that matter victory is so misunderstood nowadays.
Its better to say ”setback” and ”gain”.
I want to make one more point. Some of the reports I have seen regarding sailors and marines on the Lincoln trying to jump overboard do not make clear that these are suicide attempts. The shipmates pulling them back are literally saving their lives.
Agree. But I doubt they would commit suicide from hunger or a missed shower. Tragic it is but a reality that service during War stress people and some of them crack. I hope we can get some more evidence of a ”rotten Abe” but Trump said that there is no problem and they can go for duty even longer.
Trump is such a jinxed and useless guy that, as they say in Spanish, "he sets up a circus and the dwarfs grow taller."
It's definitely a freak show that he operates.
And he himself is a freak eith his spray tan, unnatural fake hair and his huge childbearing hips and x-shaped legs. Especially when he tries to run. Natanyahoo is similar
just look at weurdo vance family and his literal jew dwarf chief of staff
Or “as if there weren’t enough of us now the granny gives birth”.
The Golden Golem's World War Greed is going swimmingly.
I love this guy Simplicius. I may not agree with him 100%, but his boundless dexterity with words is unsurpassed, something I can merely hope to emulate in some mediocre ways, like a little kid following an adult. LOL!
I can only read and gape in astonishment at this unfolding magical tapestry of language. Uber-English?
There is a long way to go. The English language has over 470 000 words (some count over a million). The average native speaker has a vocabulary of about 25 000, but only uses a fraction of that in day-to-day conversation. Those who learn it as a second language generally get by with fewer than 10 000.
As a not-native speaker, I am very much crushed by your statistics. Also, once we jump up in all our excitement about the tapestry of language or a fabric of our times, shall we go deeper into the group of languages, such as Indo-European one, and all the nations including nuclear power ones that are in this one happy dysfunctional linguistic family?
Even as a native speaker the statistics are daunting, but I expect they are similar for any language.
I am not knowledgeable enough to speak on proto-languages and such like but I like where you are coming from.
I don't have a linguistic background but we are talking about living languages versus dead languages. And the geography of the living languages of Indo-European family which covers the current war zones so to speak.
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. If there is a public discourse among peoples, besides "my ballistic missile is bigger than yours" which is sorta kinda gender analysis of the peculiar situation we are in, may I suggest that there are not so many differences among us but some of us mastered ballistic missiles better than others.
Three Cheers for the IRGC
They even have a candidate for Senate
The true October Surprise
Another act in the clown show..
https://defensemirror.com/news/41814/7_Dead_in_Brawl_Abroad_U_S__Carrier_Abraham_Lincoln__Iranian_Media
I'm not sure about this story.