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"At the same time he again focused on the minerals, which began to quickly signal that Trump appears intent only on extracting recompense from Ukraine for the alleged hundreds of billions that the US gave them. The message seemed clear: Trump doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine as long as he gets his compensation."

I have a somewhat different interpretation of what happened during the phone call. In general, I think you're right in that Trump may have had an initial offer from him rejected by Putin. But the fact that he treats Putin like an equal in the public statement, instead of, say, Canadian "governor" Justin Trudeau, is an indicator, I think of how he intends to conduct the inevitable negotiations with Russia. And the fact that he's hammering the "common sense" bit strikes me as him seeing how it things look from the Russian side, such as them not wanting to deal with an illegitimate Zelensky. I suspect there will be stronger calls for election in Ukraine in the future. I think Trump, far from trying to redress a diplomatic setback, is actually seeing this as a step forward. If he did see it as a setback, I think the language would be far more aggressive against Russia.

I highlight the statement above because I am seeing it as further evidence that what the Trump team wants is an off ramp instead of a peace headlined by American muscle. By highlighting the need for Ukraine to pay up on the massive American investment in light of the clear inability of Ukraine to do so, he' creating an excuse to leave Ukraine in the lurch and say that there is nothing in it for the US to keep being Ukraine's keeper.

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Of course the war is not going to just stop, the objectives of the SMO have not been met.

The big news is that the US is leaving the scene, and that speeds up the time for the fat lady to sing. Russia knows it, Zelensky knows it, and Europe knows it.

Not only is Trump going to dump this on Europe, but he's cut the head off of the USAID beast, which is really the death knell.

Putin is a patient and pragmatic man. He doesn't trust the US or the West, but this is nothing but good news for Russia. It will take a long time to finish denatzifying and demilitarizing Ukraine. Trump has now said no NATO, ever. The EU will keep being stupid and outrageous, but they won't do anything, they'll be busy trying to keep their citizens from hanging them for ruining their economies and liberties.

Americans do not care about the war. They care about all our money being wasted by lying grifters, and we want the US out of meddling, bribing, and coercing, especially to the corrupt dictator in Ukraine.

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