Impossible now for the “attrition sceptics” to get their heads above barricades at this point.
Ukro collapse is, as stated in the article, going from linear to parabolic , with a steepening curve. “Things collapse slowly, then all at once” will doubtless prove true yet again.
No one willing to say roughly when yet though (except Macgregor who says next month as he has every month for the last several years).
Looking forward to GM’s usual flatulent commentary on Russia and Putin’s ongoing abject failure - must be having an afternoon snooze on the Ukrainian Riviera (aka Bali).
If it is irony as you state, it is simply trolling because irony doesn't enable itself to be seen on the web without it being very carefully constructed so as to make it apparent. Your post doesn't do that but simply invites equally inflammatory comments. Then you can present your self as just being too incisive for people to understand.
Neither irony or sarcasm work because anyone (including myself) attempting to do so is TRYING to be clever to an audience that has wide language and cultural diversity.
And the main question – can Ukraine win and guarantee itself a safe future for at least a few decades? Theoretically, yes. For this, we need internal destabilization in Russia and a change of the ruling regime there.
Now the Ukropropagandists embedded in this channel can be better spotted.
The aliens aren't degenerate Western humans; they know perfectly well that the Ukrainians are in the West, not in Ukraine, and that the green goblin will deceive them with his promises. Negotiate with him? He'll destroy their world just like he's destroying the West. Seriously, for my part, I would have preferred to discuss and negotiate with Adolf the Teutonic Knight.
well at least the lil funny ukke guy has that really really big farm in Wyoming to escape to ..wonder if his wifey can bring all her big bad Bentley collection ? Might be room enough for a few thousand of the local folk too .:I hear the thing is four counties big .. What a great finale to the whole bloody scheme .
"facing certain death or months of torture in Russian captivity"
Is there any Russian effort to challenge the many comments such as this? Is sitting in a dark hole waiting for relief that rarely delivers, not a torture? If death as a Ukrainian soldier is not certain, why the violent efforts needed to procure 'recruits'?
"And the main question – can Ukraine win and guarantee itself a safe future for at least a few decades?" Maybe should have asked that long before Maiden.
I'm reading Operation Paper Clip written in 2014. Fascist ideology certainly does not lend itself to getting along with others. That we brought the German Nazi's most elite to our shores and nourished them with luxury to win cooperation is well established. At what point did cooperation turn into us getting co-opted.
Are there two supposed enemies that have more in common than Nazis and Zionist? Dirty tricks and hands. A certain lack of empathy.
1. Stalin only retook Ukraine after defeating and crushing the Nazis by first retreating from them and leaving scorched earth as they fell back. He then destroyed them in an attritional war in Stalingrad. Many tens of millions of Russians died
2. Putin has also employed attritional tactics, but without burning Russian land and with a tiny fraction of the losses Stalin inflicted on his own people. WW2 devastated Russia. Under Putin the Ukraine war has strengthened Russia, by any measure.
3. WW2 has little in common with Ukraine. Look up drone warfare. Battlefield dynamics in Ukraine have nothing in common with WW2.
4. Russian under Stalin was supported by both the US and Britain with finance and weapons
5. Russia under Putin has been opposed and sanctioned by both the US , Britain and numerous others.Despite this the Russian economy has grown , during the Ukraine war to be the 4th largest by PPP in the world.
6. Russia was a failed state when Putin took over. It is now a world power , militarily and economically. Putin has done this in 20 years
7. Putin’s approval ratings in Russia are what western “leaders” can only dream of.
8. It follows then that you are a merely an anti Russian propagandist , and a very poor one.
>1. Stalin only retook Ukraine after defeating and crushing the Nazis
Which he did from 1941 to 1943. Two years. Then one year to take Ukraine. Meanwhile we are where exactly in year four of the current clusterfuck?
>2. Putin has also employed attritional tactics, but without burning Russian land
All the land that has burned so far is Russian land, and it is a lot of land. We're talking 150-200K km^2 of land contaminated for decades to come with mines and DU.
>and with a tiny fraction of the losses Stalin inflicted on his own people. WW2 devastated Russia. Under Putin the Ukraine war has strengthened Russia, by any measure.
Putin has turned Russia into a giant Syria, and is on course for the same outcome, unless something drastically changes. It will take longer, but the trajectory is the same. Managed by the same people too...
>4. Russian under Stalin was supported by both the US and Britain with finance and weapons
First, proportionally the bulk of the effort was Russian.
Second, Putin has the power to cut off all Western support for Ukraine tomorrow. But he refuses to use it.
>5. Russia under Putin has been opposed and sanctioned by both the US , Britain and numerous others.
So was the USSR between the wars. But Stalin prepared.
Putin hasn't.
>Despite this the Russian economy has grown , during the Ukraine war to be the 4th largest by PPP in the world.
Money does not matter, facts on the ground do.
>6. Russia was a failed state when Putin took over. It is now a world power , militarily and economically.
Which world power allows itself to be bombed 24/7 without daring to fire a single shot back?
>Putin has done this in 20 years
Yes, indeed, Putin did all this.
>7. Putin’s approval ratings in Russia are what western “leaders” can only dream of.
Which is a testament to how fucked Russia is -- the population must take these bums out and start fighting seriously, but it is too brainwashed to even contemplate it.
Can you show that DU has been used by Russia in Ukraine?
I've never heard of anybody ever saying that.
The only reference to it I ever heard was when the Brits sent Challenger tanks to Ukraine equipped with those shells, so some may have been released during their destruction by Russian forces.
Elena, please, don't fall for hysteria from the owp.
Depleted uranium is, theoretically, "radioactive," but at such a low level that you could keep an inch-thick plate of it under your pillow and sleep on that for several decades and not accumulate a dose of radioactivity as much as a single modern dental X-ray.
The hazard from depleted uranium is not from radioactivity but from it being a heavy metal. Inhaling depleted uranium smoke is not good for you, just like inhaling lead smoke, that is very fine, aerosolized particles of lead, is not good for you.
Given the extensive use of lead in weaponry, like bullets, there's a lot of lead flying around modern battlefields. But you don't see radio-hysteria outfits like owp clutching their pearls over heavy metal poisoning from lead.
"And in a recent poll Russians rated Putin as the second greatest leader of all time"
Sounds like a fake poll, that is, a poll that rigs its results by polling a selected set of respondents the pollsters know will produce the results they want.
Russians overwhelmingly, hands down, love Putin and by overwhelming margins consider him a far, far better leader than Stalin.
Leaving aside that today's world is completely different from the one in 1940s, let me remind you of another educational episode of yours, since you are invoking Stalin again.
Once upon a time you were educating us how USSR lost the WWII. So, according to you, why did it lose? Because of the demographic catastrophe that befell it. So here you have it - because of Stalin.
And lets not forget the Banderite-releasing shitshow that Khrushchev started after incompetent Josie couldn't keep himself alive.
Have you guys noticed that Ukroprop Great Moron never actually comments about Ukraine but always about bad Russia? But he/she sounds increasingly ridiculous. As Simplicius put it, the Ukranian banderist ring still insists over regime change in Russia through civil unrest and panic, but not because they think they can actually win, but because it is only way to stretch the war a little further.and keep the money flowing until spring-summer 2026, the time to find an apartment in Poland, Germany or another nazifriendly regime.
Stalin lost 27 million Soviet citizens. Aren't you aware of how ridiculous it is to compare this Russo-Ukrainian war to the last big one against Germany?
Adolf was a puppet as well and at the end used as a scapegoat. The ones financing the war, the ones wanting to fight a war (Churchill) all got away with it. They kept their money and power. They shaped the world, especially the western world by bribing politicians, buying media companies, funding NGO’s and they hated Germany, they hated Russia and they do so till today
Plus10 Marledonna. Fascism, like rust, never sleeps. The big war never ended really, it just shape-shifted...right before our eyes. The Native peoples in the USA were designated 'savages'. Cf Indian Removal Act (1830) and the "Trail of Tears". Land theft. The phony baloney attack on MX-Pres Polk and the massive land theft (1846). The Mexicans were called "greasers" by US troops. The Blacks kidnapped from Africa, their labor stolen, their women raped and children sold like calves. Is there a theme developing here? Fugitive Slave Laws and the new underclass designated: "n*ggers". The new enemy. Cf the performance of the Brits-everywhere. Now, through media curating, the familiar chestnut of building a new enemy...the Russians are the updated "n*ggers" and "savages". Rinse and Repeat. It looks to have different outcomes now...tick-tock...Nigeria beating up on Christians?! Oh NO, we better ride to the rescue and maybe steal their oil in the bargain. Same as it ever was.
I agree. The anti-GMers are being wildly enthusiastic. Scattering the Ukrainian army is not by any means trivial, but to stop drones from flying into Russia and killing civilians will require much, much more. For starters, the incineration of the government structures in Kiev, the enforcing of a no-fly zone, and the immediate destruction of any uninspected in-bound freight—and execution of those so attempting.
WW2 was triggered by the same interest group which ran both the USSR and the west, ie the "international bankers," which is code for you know who.
Germany showed how they could be defeated economically, by basing a currency not on gold borrowed at interest from them, but on currency based on work done, ie not borowed from anybody - and certainly not with interest attached.
And thus the bribing of their fellow traveller Winston Churchill with £40,000 to start the war against Germany, despite the latter's endless peace overtures.
What we have today is the victors of that conflict, ie the banker-infested "west," now seeking to destroy the nation which finally rose up against them, and threw them out of Russia; which was Putin's Great Sin - as it was National Socialist Germany's great sin.
Yeah, that sort of revisionism I really don't get.
Yes, the Anglo-Saxons went back to their usual playbook of instigating wars on the continent in order to weaken their rivals there by having them kill each other. In this case having the revanchist-minded Germans fight the real mortal threat, which was the communist USSR.
For which purposes they invested heavily in Germany, and a little bit in the USSR (it has to be acknowledged), but primarily in Germany, and they instigated it to go on the offensive. Which after the war was won has been euphemistically referred to as "appeasement", but in fact was instigation, because Britain was right there at the table every time before September 1939 and knew very well what it was doing.
So yes, the war wasn't started by the Germans alone, very far from it.
However, to go from there to "the Germans were not to blame and a victim of it" is just absurd.
Who had a genocidal agenda for the Slavic population of Europe and who killed 30M people in the USSR? The tooth fairy? And it wasn't Hitler himself burning whole villages alive, the regular Hans did it. Willingly and with great enthusiasm.
No, but he wasn’t the only one! The other bad people got away with it. They were bad and guilty as well. Without these people, no Hitler, without these people no war, no holocaust, no 60 million death. And possibly without these same people no October revolution. People like Cecil Rhodes (died in 1902, but his type of mentality).
At least, that is how I look at it. Cause and effect.
Fascinatingly, Putin acts very much like Hitler did, despite the efforts of RT and virtually every other media outlet to brainwash and gaslight us into believing the opposite.
Both endlessly sought a peaceful solution to banker-led agitation against them, both were slow to anger - Hitler waited six whole weeks before finally responding to Churchill's war crime of bombing civilian centres.
Both eventually were forced into a military solution to the murdering of their ethnic fellows by foreign states - Hitler put a stop to this occurring in Poland, ( see Bromberg Massacre ) and Putin moved into the Donbas.
Putin has realized the existential danger of the dollar continuing as the world's reserve currency - because it enables genocide of the kind we are witnessing in Palestine today - and Hitler also saw the dangers of borrowing gold at interest from the banking cartel, and so launched a work-backed Reichsmark - in both cases, these moves were direct casus belli to the banking class.
However, whereas Hitler could only mobilize a state the size of Texas against the entire "western" world, Putin has far more backup, and so will prove to be the final victor in this, as in every other banker-initiated war.
In real history books you can read that back at those days everyone who opposed Stalin was indeed a fascist.
The whole West was celebrating Hitler and many fought at his site until the writing on the wall told them it's better to switch sides and present themself as 'anti-Hitler-coalition.'
Definition: "The term "business" refers to an organization or enterprising entity that engages in commercial, industrial, or professional activities." No mention of ownership structure.
The state controlled and managed all large scale USSR industry. It was both Communist and Fascist.
Putin is saving the manpower by not mobilizing. There is a high chance WWIII may be coming, if that is the case then mobilization will be reserved for WWIII.
And if it was actually relevant to the current situation it might give your horseshit a faint reflection of credibility in the fading twilight of immanent Ukrainian demise, due of course to the superbly managed attritional campaign conducted by Mr Putin and the Russian military.
How is the script for the “charge of the light brigade miniseries “ going? Is Fat Freddy Kagan still slated for the starring role? You must be busy
There are no ”attrition sceptics”. Attrition is for real but it goes both ways.
The sceptic part is that Russia somehow choosed ”attrition” out of some 5D-chess strategy plan.
It is all a construction made in hindsight. What we see is tactics and strategy made as a neccessity not by choice. Russia had no other choice than hastily retreat from vulnerable positions and preparing a defens for Melitopol and Mariupol. Russia had no other choice to maintain a pressure on Ukraine other than send convicts and Wagner into Bachmut.
And, hear and be amazed, tactics and strategy has SHIFTED during these four years at least six times or more.
Both Ukraine and Russia is adapting to each others strenght and weaknesses and evolving techniques.
Making the ”attrition” a gospel is the same stupidness as Ruttes/von der Leyens ”Russia must not win”.
"Russian President Vladimir Putin is preparing for a long-term war of attrition, having realised that he would not be able to quickly take over Ukraine.
Source: Press office of the Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine
Quote: "Russia's preparation for a long-term war means the enemy's understanding that his plan to quickly seize Ukraine is impossible to implement. Therefore, Putin is now considering the option of a long-term war of attrition."
Of course you would say that, but no, this the Harvard University “Russia Matters” site, it gives the history of the poll and Putin’s position over 20 years or so:
The sooner the better for everyone but the genocidal globalist Bankster's that create money out of thin air and turn it into debt through their war machine and what has now become an entirely corrupt and second rate Western Arms industry.
It would be extremely gratifying to read of few Crack Ukrainians troops (loyal soley to the Ukrainian people) leaving the battlefield to go hunting for the likes of Boris Johnson or Macron. I would consider pay as much as €10,000 for one of Johnsons eye balls, as armchair support of Justice being rightly served
At the rate of collapse along the southern front, it wouldn't shock me at all if the Russians push all the way west to the Dnieper river by March/April next year. Maybe even sooner if it spirals. It makes me wonder how far north on the east side of the Dnieper river they need to push before being able to adequately shield a river crossing to take Kherson and maintain the river crossing logistics for a push down to Odessa.
The Russian inability to cross rivers is strange to me. In WWII they were able to launch bridge heads every time all along huge rivers like the Volga, the Don, Dnper,.Dnister, Vistula, Oder... All against German panzer divisions and Luftwaffe strikes !!! Another consequence of the drone revolution? Same for airborne troops. Not a single operation in this war. In fact, the Ukranian helicopter stunt was the first to my knowledge.
The Ukrainian helicopter is a miserable breed. Read about the Gostomel landing, where there were up to 200 helicopters, including unmanned helicopters for distraction and detection of air defense...
The 'Ukrainians' in charge in Kiev are mostly not Ukrainians. They couldn't care less about the actual war. They are running a money laundering operation for their sponsors, trafficking women and children, and selling organs. Also they are stealing most of the funds provided for the war and trafficking weapons to the highest bidders. If they can create the optics to support the lie that they are trying to win a war, and the money keeps coming - then they are winning.
Once he saw massive Ukrainian ultra nationist forces massing on the Donbas border, he gave the order to initiate the SMO, so as to intercept what would assuredly have happened, as you are suggesting.
Which demonstrates that Russia's "just the.tip" style of warfare was foolish. A lot of good people who trusted Russia lost their lives as a result. Not to mention bonehead things like releasing Azov prisoners.
Genocide is potentially in ALL our DNA. The fact of that is that ALL species are competing for land and resources, and as Frank Herbert in Dune makes clear (Its not in the films), the greatest competition comes from your own kind.
What we call society (Family, workplace, school, civil society etc), mitigates those thoughts and tendencies - in sane societies.
Jahweh of the "bible" goes through a personal journey, from being an arrogant self-absorbed egotistical arsewipe, to becoming (not quite as bad in a couple of ways but still pretty damn awful), see the excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5PlJiqOnk
It is noticeable that all the worst people in the West (And elsewhere), tend to say they follow the oldest parts of that book.
Coincidence, I'm sure.
Potentially every person can kill, and killing is what makes us capable of genocide. There is nothing special in "jewish" DNA.
Culturally, the 'Judeo-Christian' culture is quite probably the most barbaric and problematical in the World today. And there's some contenders.
They are not "winning the social media war", the West's autocratic rulers (Who own the media) have ordered the media to only present Russophobic positions.
Without that bias, any accurate reporting of the Bucha massacre by Azov, along with their other atrocities and war crimes, such as torture against POWs and attacks on civilians, would have made Kiev as hated as Israhell. Even in the West.
You are not "winning" when you have to throw people in jail for reporting/commenting accurately and honestly.
True overall, but they are indeed winning the social media war, because the target audience are north americans and europeans, which are the dumbest people ever. The vast majority believe whatever their media tells them, no questions asked.
There does seem to be a direct correlation between how much control Murdoch has over a country's media, and the stupidity of that country's people after a while.
But also bear in mind that the propaganda systems of the current English-speaking world are light years ahead of anything in history. Possibly the only worse period was the Roman church's control, when they deliberately kept 95% of the population illiterate.
Although it seems education systems in most Western countries are beginning to emulate that goal.
A perfect case study for the control Murdoch has over a country's media, and the stupidity of that country's people is Australia. The uber Zionist owns 80% of media (across all mediums),
And the majority of Australians are as ignorant as possible.
“Monsters exist, but they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are the common men, the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.”
Just as in the fake pandemic. Look at how many zealouts signed up to inject the victims, to be "Covid" marshals, , dob in their neighbours for breaking illegal lockdowns, etc.
Truly frightening and on the same level as the mobs that burned women in Salem.
My friend, fighting a pandemic is like fighting a war, its a collective effort, you don't get to just opt out because you dont believe in it or dont care. Of course when these people got sick bad enough they went to the hospital too. Modern medicine has advanced significantly in a short period of time but for most of history infectious diseases killed and maimed more than anything. And masks, quarantine and social distancing aren't new, go look at pictures from the "spanish" flu 100+ years ago
The simplest of all facts is that as "covid" cases grew, so "flu" cases declined; the obvious implication therefore is that the one was the other renamed, and so not requiring any intervention whatsoever.
The whole point of the exercise was to reduce the population, and to prevent its growth subsequently by the mass damage done against fertility by the injection which was then unleashed.
Even the very word "pandemic" was redefined by the WHO so as to make symptom-free presentation into a "case," by abusing the testing methodology so as to imply that a "technique," ie PCR, was actually a "diagnosis," which it was never designed to be, according to Kary Mullis, its Nobel prize-winning creator.
As for "not getting to opt out" this is precisely what everybody has the right to do.
It's certainly what I did - and would do again, in a heartbeat.
I doubt any orders were issued or necessary. The MSM and journalists know full well what kinds of reporting will win you awards and plum assignments, and what kind of reporting will get you assigned to cover allegations of corruption in bidding on port-a-potties in Alaska.
It's not difficult to win a propaganda war, when the people you are targeting, are north americans and europeans, the dumbest people on planet Earth.
Most north americans and europeans have the perfect "qualities" for that. They are supremacists and think they are better than everyone else, which makes them believe that whatever their media tells them, is true, no matter the facts. They are propagandized 24/7 to believe they live in "democracies" and that their states / governments care about them, which makes most of them ignore things like censorship, fascism, authoritarianism, etc, happening right in front of them. They also have absolute trust on their "authorities" and what they claim and do, never doubting them for one second and constantly attacking those that dare to oppose the official narrative.
The best comparison I have for western societies / peoples, is that they are like religious cults. Fanatics to the core, that do not and cannot accept that they are lied to. They live in their own bubble and don't want to leave it, ever.
Levels of technology and propaganda go hand in hand, but reality will bite into the narrative of superiority, particularly if that reality is economic collapse. I’d venture to say that’s where the West is headed in the not too distant future.
It's true. It recently came to my attention that Americans are the most brainwashed people on the planet, probably followed closely by Europeans. (It's really the same system, after all.) I don't want to call them "the stupidest people on the planet," but it's difficult not to come to that conclusion. The eagerness with which they accept the official narrative is astounding. In conversation with them you're faced with media talking points instead of a human being, none of which have been critically analyzed and are deployed in the same order as they were heard on the news. For Americans I make the excuse that they have no frame of reference, no framework in which to place or understand anything. Europe at least had a more or less organic culture than spanned thousands of years; America is a country barely 250 years old whose culture was dictated by personal ambition and the desire for wealth. Now American culture is shaped by corporations (and God knows what else), and has been for generations.
This does show how damaging the 2022 attack by NATO to recover Kharkov and Kherson was for Russia. That huge territory is still being fought for at a grueling pace.
Imagine the situation today had Russia not been forced to retreat in 2022.
In fairness, that "retreat" was a strategic masterstroke. The NATO-Ukr forces attacked, and that entire army was destroyed. It took a year to rebuild, and even then was considerably poorer trained.
However, had the Kremlin not foolishly accepted the "word" of Kiev, and retreated voluntarily from Kiev as a show of good will, this SMO could have been a great deal shorter.
Please, wishes aside, we need to practice our own version of Realpolitik and/or the facts of life. We now know that in 2022 the Russian army was simply not capable - yet - to hold onto whatever gains it made. With a mere 80K (max 100K) soldiers across such a huge front, decisions had to be made.
Withdrawal from Kiev made sense if an agreeement could be obtained, a la Istanbul. Russia, at that time was still willing to consider something like "autonomy" for Donbass and iron clad withdrawal from any NATO alliance by Ukraine. Back then, there were still many soft-hearted, West believers in and around the Kremlin, so an actual peace agreement with enforcement mechanisms made sense.
Back then. almost 4 years ago.
Now, Russia had time to recuperate, to advance its tactics and to adapt to NATO tactics and weaponry. No one is even talking about some bradleys or F-16's any longer. And those Himars? the minute they fire they are goner.
The only question I have is whether Putin + inner circle knew ahead of time, in April 2022 that the agreement they were working on was never gonna happen. If so, it made sense to play along, so they can present a peace-loving face to their Global South commerades. I kind of believe they knew all along and it was pretty much a poker game. Botis johnson came and made the call, and it turned out to Russia's advantage in the long run (at a cost, of course).
People need to process that Russia was simply not really ready to fight the full NATO supported Ukraine in early 2022 and so they needed to buy time. Stupid West - instead of accepting what was on the table (and gave them some advantages) fell for the bait - and they switched.
Of course Russia was massively overstretched in the initial invasion, had taken some horrendous losses unexpectedly, and the local uprisings in defence of local Ukr sovereignty (IE to throw off the West) never materialisied.
Nonetheless, having a very large force camped out next to your enemy's capital is always good leverage.
Apart from that, I'm not sure why you think I'm disagreeing with your points, and need 'realpolitic'.
The news said the convoy had to turn around due to lack of supplies. Captured soldiers said they rolled out with almost nothing like the force wasn't expected to be used or corruption or something. Plus they didnt expect the AFU to start hitting their rear. I remember one vid filmed through a window where a bunch of Russian tanks just ripped ass through a Ukrainian neighborhood probably afraid of getting cut off, one had half its track hanging off but it wasn't stopping
The Kremlin correctly judged that the napolean clown would surrender immediately. What they hadn't planned on was that he would be given "An offer he could not refuse" by Blojo the UK clown. (Along with a large bag of pharma-grade sniff, little doubt).
We are not disagreeing on the Realpolik part but on tactics, given facts on the ground. My one disagreement is that, based on all I read at the time - and later, Russian supply lines were really insufficient to maintain that force at Kiev's doorstep. I am sure the decision to withdraw faced much opposition, but the military realities on the ground prevailed in the end.
I reckon that when the opportunity arose and Russia could present the withdrawal as a good faith move, the military leaders were more than happy to do that which they realized they'd have to do anyways. In a way, the istanbul agreement provided the perfect excuse to present the withdrawal as a voluntary good will move. That's basically just my rational guess - not being privvy to any strategic inner circles.
I do agree that Russia was taken by surprise that the revolt among Ukrainians opposed to their regime did not take place. It was a miscalculation, and I'm sure some heads roled over that in places unknown to us.
BTW, when the US does and did successfully precipitate inner opposition uprisings as part of their own regime change operations, however inorganic they were, there was a very significant factor in the outcome. And that was large scale bribery. Americans, being somewhat cynical about authentic motivations of the populace basically hand out candy like it's a 5 years old birthday party. That has been the secret sauce in the collapse of the Iraqi army in 2003, Libyan military in 2012 (?) and of course last year's collapse of the Syrian military. Americans understand that idealism and commeraderie take you only so far. At the end of the day, the generals have to be bribed. That's what the Russians did not process IMO, in 2022. People don't take chances on an uprisings (at least most don't) even if motivated by some beliefs, unless they can see the reward - which is how the maidan revolution succeeded.
I recall the western press had gloating articles that the head of the 'spy' dept tasked with that in Moscow was fired on the spot by Putin personally, and that indeed large sums of money had been wasted on such bribes that went nowhere.
Of course, to believe a single word that comes out of western corporate media is to be an instant gullible cretin.
But perhaps this time there is some truth to it.
While bribes are important for Western coups, at least as important is their saturation of the media space, total communications surveillance, and needless to say complete amorality with regards to 'pressure'.
"Offers they cannot refuse" is a Western speciality.
Indeed, it's what many "forget" (I'd wager on purpose) that that offensive cost the nazis / NATO a lot. Of course for NATO, thousands of dead ukrainians means nothing, ukrainians are their meat slaves after all, they treat them as such. But lots of NATO / soviet era equipment was destroyed too. Something that took the nazis / NATO about a year to recover from and never entirely, because NATO had to start providing equipment and weapons to the nazis, at a staggering rate, to a point where NATO countries started depleting their own stocks. They then followed with the so called "counter offensive of 2023" and those losses were even more staggering for the nazis / NATO, because the russians built an actual huge defensive line, while in 2022, they had defensive lines, but far smaller.
As for the good will gesture in regards to Kiev, that was indeed a huge mistake. One that Putin seems to want to repeat with the orange psychopath. Putin is just too gullible, even though he knows he's dealing with nazis....
The so-called "good will gesture" was, in truth, motivated by tactical military necessity. Like I said above, I believe Putin et al were quite glad that the Istanbul format gave them the pretext to withdraw from areas they were unlikely able to supply for long without too much loss of face.
I further believe, as stated above, that there was a kind of poker game going on. Had Ukraine gone along with what was on the table for them, they would have ended up with a rather favorable outcome, strategically speaking - basically a Minsk agreement + disavowal of NATO (both of which could be reneged on later anyways). Perhaps that's how Zelensky et al saw it - agree in principle, but basically buy some time for later. Luckily for Russia, BoJo just had to jump into the frey and upend the apple cart (therefore giving up an ace while miscalculating the response).
Sure, you can say that. But that nazi / NATO offensive cost the nazis / NATO quite a lot. Thousands and thousands of them were killed / severely wounded, while the russians suffered little to no casualties with a near perfect retreat, while causing a lot of damage to the nazis. Considering that taking territory is not Russia's main goal, but the destruction of the ukrainian army is, I would argue it wasn't that damaging for Russia. Also it was at a time when Putin was still thinking that after being deceived - again - by the ukrainians / NATO - he could still manage without proper mobilization for the war. This was in fact when the war actually started, after the nazi / NATO offensive and when most russians - except Putin - understood that there was no negotiation possible with nazis / NATO to end the war and Russia would just need to complete its goals entirely, by military means.
The tragedy of Ukraine was set off at the moment when The Comedian was allowed to become their leader. He is foreign to the interests of that nation just like Macron is to France and Ursula is to Germany. This war should have never started and The Comedian was the one who pushed for it. It would be truly cynical if he was allowed to run to Parish or Miami, set up some sort of shadow government and keep quacking from there.
If he is a puppet (and he is!), then he can't really be held responsible for allowing his country to be used up. It is the Americans, British and Europeans who should be held responsible. Z will likely get his due at the hands of Azov before he can make an exit.
It seems likely that if he hadn't, he would have been quickly taken out and replaced by somebody who would. This does not mean he is not culpable, only that the end result wouldn't have been any different.
Yes, but Zelensky is no moron. Even though he knows he'll be killed by his fellow nazis, if he does anything against their "objectives", he's destroying his country for one and one thing only: himself.
All western puppets are corrupt pieces of trash, with no values and no principles, which is why they are easily corrupted. For Zelensky and nazi Co, they could care less that they are sending thousands to die, as long as they have their pockets filled with blood money - dollars. Zelensky is very much the same as pretty much all "leaders" in Europe. Supremacists, fascists, corrupt to the core that will do everything to keep power, including destroying their countries. All their actions are perfect proof of that, the only question is, will other european peoples be as dumb as ukrainians, and accept being meat slaves of the western elites ? I will say some european peoples, will accept it, with no questions asked. That's what propaganda 24/7 does to westeners, they become zombies, without the ability to use their brains.
Yes i have friends from Germany Britain Sweden. They are literally terrified. A lot of people there not just dont resonate, dont have compassion or understanding, but they dont even want to understand anything. They dont care, they want only hate.
Obviously every country has different groups of people and some dissident minorities. But amount of hate towards Russia and Russian literally everything is just mindblowing.
I think it will have huge geopolitical consequences historically.
I'll never forget how some entrepreneurial company at the start of this war was charging Americans to engrave the words of hate on shells meant for Russia. Some guy even bought the above for his American wife as his wedding anniversary present. Hatred is a deep, personal feeling - I never understood how one can hate someone they never met, never even visited Russia, to such a degree. How could you whip up such amount of hatred from the population, beats me. The numbers of people "ready-made to hate" be it Russia/China/Venezuela/whatever are just staggering.
It's funny that Nazi Germany started the WW2 with the USSR for "Lebensraum" (Living space, i.e. Land grab), and nowadays, the great European "Übermensch" don't wanna have children sufficient to fill in their own "European Garden", so they're forced to import immigrants from ex-European colonies they once destroyed..
Indeed, John. He was actually elected to bring the civil war in Ukraine to an end, but he was body snatched on a trip east to discuss this with the zealot fighters there.
Once the RF knew the last chance of resolving this oppression of its own people had been ground into the dust by western interference, Russian military entered Ukraine to settle it by force. There would have been a highly favourable settlement for Ukraine in being obliged to do no more than it had agreed to do under the MAs, if one Boris Johnson had not blown that up.
The rest is history. The west has every drop of spilt Slavic blood on its hands, and those leaders named individually in an awesome list, will be brought to an accounting each of his own. The worst for the west is yet to come, which is one of the reasons european leaders are so desperate to keep the fight going in the desperate hope that some event will turn up to save their own skins. It won't.
As for those leaders, we must hope that ice picks are being produced on an industrial scale, possible attached to drones with those leaders names on and ready for use asap.
No. Tradegy of Ukranine strated when West became colonial superpower and began to see other nations not as people but as slaves and animals for hunting.
Current leaders precisely represent the Historical West and western predatory behaviour since 15 century (or even earlier since crusades maybe. that Byzantium considered as anti Christian and heresy.)
Reduction everything to Zelensky and 2-3 western figures and saying oh uh we god guys its just 2-3 bad actors but we are "freedom democracy the people" uh oh. Its just so bad.
Western international oligarchy and western colonialism didnt start yesterday.
Western hubris racism (that i experiebced since i was 14, im white and im Eastern European) is just mind twisted society. All this dehumanization and demonization of non-West is nature of Western everyday culture.
It's tradegy for Russia and Russian peole, for the entire Eastern EU, for global South, for Middle East, for Palestine and Asia and Latin America and genocidal colonization if Africa that still is goijg on.
You can take it all back to the Roman "Empire" - the first European genocidal "Empire". Before then, the interconnected European Pagan world had 'border' skirmishes, but warfare like this was unheard of.
And of course Rome ended with the imposition of Christianity - the childish knock-off that brought Jewish style racism and 'Supremacy' ideas with it.
Forget this discussion. From a historical perspective, even the two world wars were minor catastrophes, and Ukraine is just a tiny little sidenote. When comparing the number of humans living in Europe (and elsewhere), at a given historical time, with the number dying from violence, you see a steady decline in violence. Therefore this discussion leads nowhere, because you speak about facts, and the others have their hate for this and that, ignoring everything pointing in another direction.
When Caesar invaded Gaul, he boasted that he had "Killed a 1/3rd, and taken another 1/3rd back to Rome to be sold as slaves" (And tens of thousands were slaughtered in "re-enactments" of his battles).
Trajan's Column is the very first recorded deliberate genocide written in stone. They invaded Dacia with the INTENT to annihilate the entire population. Who had the audacity to be ruled by women, and were unfortunate enough to have gold mines, which could pay off Rome's debts. (Sound familiar?).
I would LOVE if the Roman world did not affect the modern world, but sadly that is absolutely not the case. The Roman church still spreads its propaganda; and the western societies and cultures drip with the sociopathic beliefs, attitudes and Class systems of Imperialism - which were introduced and by Rome.
i think david graeber got it right and the debt is the real culprit; as in any society which has a debt driven economy will inevitable descend into class-war and inward/outward violence.
and is the thing that all genocidal empires have in common; one might even say that the state itself appeared as a mechanism of debt(and violence generated by it) management.
Ok, I'm from "the West" and, therefore, I automatically belong to the bad guys, and I am guilty of demonizing and dehumanizing non-Western people every single day of my life.
Only, let me tell you that, for instance, the main protests against the ethnic cleansing in Gaza took place in that evil West. The rest of the world was basically indifferent - apart from the Turks. Eastern Europe didn't even peep. They just don't care.
Finally, please stop tarring everybody with the same brush in that typically, fanatically leftist way of yours. There indeed are bad people in the West, especially around the top, but there are very good people too - be it disinformed, naive, or simply too stupid to understand what is going on.
The protests didn't help much. The fact is that the West via the zionist state of Israel is conducting genocide. The fact that a minority shouts in the streets doesn't say anything, since the democratically elected goverments are the genuine representatives. And they are evil.
It is the zionists who are ruling the West, not the other way round. All main American politicians, apart from Thomas Massie, are on the payroll of AIPAC. That says enough.
It says a lot, but it doesn't say as much as it should.
What we should understand is that the entire world is facing an existential challenge from Satan's Seed, the jew - the first iteration of which malign and inhuman creature was Cain, the son of Lucifer and Eve.
The Two Seeds doctrine enunciated at Genesis 3,15 is key to the true understanding of what we see still playing out some 6000 years later.
But mankind is asleep and having eyes to see, yet he does not see.
Who is helping Israel perpetuate the genocide? Mainly Western countries. So, if W countries shut down the money and weapons support, how much of a genocide would there be? We perpetuate it, but others should do what? If W do not stop the support of Israel then only WWIII can stop it. I do not see any other solution, until there is financial implosion in the W.
I cannot stand our selective "empathy" in the West. How many people peeped in the West about the people in Donbas?
I personally benefited from Humans Rights court in Strasbourg. However, they flatly ignored the pleas of people in Donbas. How disgusting is this? Do you remember mocking Scholtz standing next to Putin, when latter was talking about genocide in Donbas? Disgusting twat.
How many times, when there was a terrorist attack in Russia, our politicians and journos would respond with malevolent glee?
Russia and China were main protestors in UN. Other nations protested as entire nation, official position. Why average people should protest if government already has anti Israel official position?
Western street protests dont mean a lot and its the West that is genociding. Israel is just a western proxy.
2) I never expanded blame on ENTIRE population. A lot of good people live in the West. But historically its western ELITE CLASS, Rulling class, that are colonial racists. I hope you dont believe in democracy so its not every person choice.
Its international power. Governments, banks, corporations and long bankster oligarh families and dynasties. West is a uniparty of Oligarchy.
I like western people no problem with them but entire system is utterly racist (racism goes from top to down, its a regime) Average person is propagandised entire life.
That's not true. It is the zionists who are ruling the West, not the other way round. All main American politicians, apart from Thomas Massie, are on the payroll of AIPAC. That says enough.
2) "I never expanded blame on ENTIRE population."
Then you better you use definitions like "the globalist leaders of the West" instead of "the West," a term that points a finger to the entire population. Do you realise how unfair this is? While some individuals in the elite of the West were making money in the colonies, the great majority of the common people in Europe were slaving in coalmines and factories - children included - for very poor wages. Their lives weren't much better than those of the common people in the colonies.
Try to follow a rational way of thinking and clarity of concept.
First, if you are Eastern European it is impossible that you have suffered due to any form of racism in Western Europe, as it is not possible to identify Eastern Europeans by physical traits.
One gives Mr. Medvedev a baguette and puts him in a French village and you have a typical French man.
Second, please stop repeating this story about Western aggression against the world as if the Western European nations had been guilty of something unique in the history of mankind.
When the Crusades occurred, Muslims invaders had invaded Spain three centuries before, could only be stopped by the Franks near Paris, and were already threatening the Roman Empire of the East.
When Constantinople fell to Asian Muslim invaders, those went further West, and in fact, Vienna was on the brink of disaster twice.
Only after Lepanto they stopped raiding Italian costal towns and villages, looting and capturing slaves.
Most extraordinary, apparently France, Spain, Portugal or Grean Britain practiced wicket colonialism, but the Ottomans or the Russian Empire did not.
In fact, Russians as the last outposts of the European suffered for centuries the attack of mounted nomads, who in the technical conditions of the age had a strategic superiority. Farmers had to live separately, and in the harsh climatic conditions of Russia, wide apart because the land is not very productive.
The nomads could concentrate easily.
When fire arms were developed, the superiority of mounted archers in the wide plains
disappeared and the Russian started going East as the coastal Europeans of the West had started going overseas.
The normal human behaviour since the development of organised States.
One can understand Mr. Lavrov trying to use the arguments available to him to counter the stupid anti Russian propaganda of the West, but observers
"First, if you are Eastern European it is impossible that you have suffered due to any form of racism in Western Europe, as it is not possible to identify Eastern Europeans by physical traits."
When you are an immigrant even 2-3 rd generation you are still Polish Russian Serb Bolgarian etc.
A lot of Poles heavily complained about racism(ethnical discrimination since its same race) in UK USA Germany etc.
I knew Russian guy who born and grew up in USA (his parents are immigrants he is 2nd generation) He suffered racism (discrimination) entire life. His stories were crazy. May be because he lived in New England and not Texas dunno.
Again my friend, It was IMPERIALISM. They conquered and assimilated. West either genocide either forever slave in resource colony.
Man, you dont understand what i am talking about.
Its huge difference between chinese persian russian and for example british german.
Even africans sayin russians are white they are different white. For the western elites, rest of the world are inhuman colonies. For Elite class, for Rulling class.
They dehumanized Arabs, Middle East for 80 years in all media and movies. Same for Russian people. Listen watch anything. Its racism and demonization.
Yes its not average people, its regime, system, power. Same regime same rulling class that wants only pillage.
medvedev is very probably of german ancestry, your russian history knowledge seems to be lacking.
also yes, you can identify east/west - north/south europeans by physical traits, of course not all of them but for me as a romanian the differences between a pole and a russian are quite evident; or german - italian etc.
Well said the role of the west is often overlooked especially after the AUF victorirs in the north and Kursk in 2023 and 2024.brave Ukrainian soldiers are are being sacrificed for puppets in the Kivy and western warmongers who offer .only some hi tech weapons and words As long as it lasts.Draw the line now Russia will not stop.and the war that should never have been will only end once a Nato false flag bay of Tolkin is fabricated.
So nothing that happens in Ukraine is really because it is something that Ukrainians want - it happens because of what some jew wants - in this case, the Kagan / Nuland axis of evil.
Z started out well enough; he campaigned on the basis of a peaceful resolution of the emerging problems; but he was not allowed to pursue his policy.
He rapidly lost all agency in the situation; and switched to simply ensuring that his own future would be financially secure - doubtless egged on in that by his beloved wife - if indeed she is that.
Ukraine’s destruction, and the loss of her finest men, was carved in stone in 2008, when the US foreign policy blob and its NATO vassals declared that the Ukraine would someday become a NATO member. All of the adults in US foreign policy have been warning about Russia’s eventual response to NATO expansion since the 90s, and it was always the Ukraine that was fated to feel the hammer fall. We shoulda stuck to bullying desert rednecks and Afghan mountain goats.
When does a trillion dollar military budget put a country at risk of being defeated by Venezuela? I mean, couldn’t they buy some Yemeni drones and make our carriers R-U-N-N-O-F-T? Again?
The Comedian will likely end up murdered at some point maybe even a decade from now by a parent of a dead soldier, or a soldier, or any other pissed off Ukrainian of which I’m sure there are many.
Hopefully, the inevitable Ukrainian surrender will be accelerated by these developments, in time to save many Ukrainian lives and what' left of it's electrical system...But with a mad fool like Zelensky, that doesn't seem likely...He'll escape to one of his grand estates when the time comes....
Agreed. They don’t even have to be careful or creative in killing him, because they will blame it on Putin anyway. And if you think they’ve been chomping at the bit to seize Russian assets, wait till you see how fast Zelensky’s wealth is liberated. I’d say that’s why they have resisted even feeble attempts to track funds stolen by Z, because they don’t want anyone to know how much they’ve planning to walk away with.
On the one hand he knows too much, he has stolen billions,.which could be easily proven. Look at the Duke of York case. Dont underestimate the empire's ability to sacrifice some pawns to save the handlers.
zelensky could claim defeat and step down... is he man enough to do it?? the answer is NO... instead he will watch more ukrainians die.. he doesn't see to care one bit..
Zelenskyy is nothing more than a petulant, spoiled child. Not once has he given one iota of a shit for his countrymen. Personally I hope he gets Mussolini'ed.
Is this the same type of civilized punishment that murderer, rapists and child molesters get in most Western "democracies?" If so, screw that. No need for a trial, fair or not. His execution needs to be slow, painful and public.
So Ropcke has officially his role as a journalist is not to report facts on the ground, but not to report them if it happens to confirm the facts favourable to the Russian side. 😉
Battle of Lysychansk/Severodontesk (population 200,000) happened in 2022. An interesting urban combat as it combined DPR/Wagner/Chechyan infantry with Russian air and Special Ops.
Not just that one, he said "cities larger than Avdeevka", but even just Rubezhne next to Severodonetsk/Lisichansk was also twice the size of Avdeevka.
Plus, of course, Kherson, Berdyansk, and Melitopol, all 100K+ cities, were also taken. Largely without a fight.
And not just those -- Bucha was bigger than Avdeevka, Energodar. Khakhovka/Nova Khakhovka, and Izyum too, and so was the completely forgotten in the history of the war Konotop, which was surrendered by the mayor through negotiations.
Right before the 5D-chess grandmaster did his goodwill gestures, the Russian army held Konotop, had Chernigov fully surrounded, stood on three sides of Kiev, and with a little bit more effort would have had Sumy city fully surrounded too. And then the order to pull out came.
For which how many thousands of Russian civilians ended up paying with their lives? Will anyone remember that?
No. If Russia wins they will write the History and conceal how many died.
If, by an chance, Ukraine survives and continue to exist, they and West will write the History. It will then take another 30-60 years to dissect and make revisions of the official story.
There were no goodwill gestures. Ukraine retreated and reorganized to defensible lines, there was no more progress to be had without risking disaster. That force outside of Kiev was a sitting duck, supply lines harried, low on ammo, food and fuel. Russia had to pull back at that point.
The whole point of the initial push was to sidestep the hardened Donbass defenses and capture a corridor to the Dnieper to insure Crimea was defendable. Taking out Mariupol was a must as that was the NATO command center for taking Crimea. Russia never planned to take the entirety of Ukraine as that was completely impossible. Had they tried, the Russian Army would have gotten smacked, leading to Putin's ouster, which was NATO's goal when they lured Russia into the invasion in the first place.
Most the cities you name fell with minimal fighting as the Ukrainian's didn't have a solid defense line in the south, the hope was Russia would drive into the teeth of the defenses along the Donbass, Avdeevka/Donesk Airport region being the heart of that.
Other important fortress cities, though smaller that were taken later, like Ugledor, Chosif Yar, Soledar and Poposna were taken in 2023 and 2024. Chosif Yar was another NATO command center with crazy terrain and underground structures, a tough nut to crack.
There were no goodwill gestures, that is just part of the overall fog of war/propogandist battle. The Russian Military which is oft overestimated never had the ability to hold everything they grabbed in the initial invasion. They kept what they needed to keep, the big nuclear plant, a corridor in front of Crimea, the Crimean Canal, and some positions that flanked the heart of the Ukrainian defense.
Both could be truth. You have accurately described the hard reality. Still, an offer to negotiate could have led Ukrainians to start serious talks.
But distrust was sky high,
So Putin offered retreat a sign of a goodwill, but both Russians and Ukrainians knew it was a forced move, an inevitable tactical decision.
Ukrainian missed the chance to really confront Russian in talks - just like they missed the chance before the war, believing firmly that West will provide help.
Once the war is over, one will definitely have to admit that, at every stage, Putin did all he could to negotiate and save Russia from war. But he never gave up on the most important strategic goals.
Why no decapitation? It would have been most effective in those early days?
Why no red line enforcement with respect to NATO involvement? That too would have been most effective early on. The West evacuated all embassies initially, i.e. they were afraid at the time.
Two things I never understood is why no decapitation and blow up/take over media. Those are two things US always does which destroys leadership and controls minds making conquering army easier. We're not good with insurgency that results sometimes but taking over a country US does well. Like if US fought Ukraine Zelensky and Rada woulda been a grease spot in 24 hrs and media broadcasts broadcasting how army quit (after we gave each general a few million dollars and US passports)
Putin seems to want to do things the hard way. House to house trench to trench. Guess that's one way to denazify though.
1) Once it’s done there can be no deal. And the Russian oligarchy wants a deal, not a victory. In fact victory is a mortal threat to them even in the abstract because there current position is rooted in the defeat of the Cold War
2) It open the Russian elites to retaliatory strikes, and they don't want to take that risk, no matter how minimal it is.
Neither of these are good reasons, they are monstrous reasons in fact, because it is because of them that hundreds of thousands that didn't have to die were slaughtered.
But if you are not allowed to ever bring them up, and they are a taboo topic in official internal Russian discourse, you can easily get away with it.
How are oligarchs positions rooted in defeat? So do you mean if Russia victory they'd lose their companies? How? They own the shares still whether Russia wins or loses. I just think Putin is a Europhile and dreams of being invited to the cool kids table in West again. He'd much prefer toasting champaign with the likes of Macron and Trump than Xi and Modi. I;ve known many Russians like this they can't shake it. All their lives grew up with images of grass is greener in West.
Obviously if Putin went full Stalin he'd never be welcome. His primary goal seems to be trading and get ICC warrant lifted so he's invited to European capitals again so needs a deal.
FYI Russia is still conducting a military operation in Ukraine, no mobilization is required until an official war declaration or an event where a total war is eminent.
You act as if a war declaration is necessary and mobilization is required right now. It is not, look at the state of the front lines, why would you mobilize a ton of folks and bulldoze your way into the Donbass? I mean coming from you it seems you would not mind the death of many thousands of more Russians in a very short time span.
The way modern wars are fought is much different today than in the 20th century.
"There were no goodwill gestures. Ukraine retreated and reorganized to defensible lines, there was no more progress to be had without risking disaster. That force outside of Kiev was a sitting duck, supply lines harried, low on ammo, food and fuel. Russia had to pull back at that point."
If we take that as granted, that was some piss-poor planning on the part of Russia.
A good week for Russia no doubt. Surprising how many people here think Zelensky will have some decisive role in what follows or that Ukrainian interests are in any way being considered. Meanwhile the Pentagon has said the US has plenty of Tomahawks to send to Ukraine. Putin said any long range strikes would lead to an overwhelming response, didn't he? Mark Sleboda says they'd be "no big deal" and would not draw a response at all. I'm guessing we'll find out the truth before long.
I took Mark to mean they would be no big deal operationally. Politically it would be a huge deal and probably the end of Ukraine as a state (to quote Luka).
He did say they’d be no big deal operationally for sure, but I think he went on to say that Putin and the Russian decision-making team, with ice in their veins, would take no step to broaden the war or move it off what he regards as its preordained channels. Of course he doesn’t speak for Putin, but I think he thinks there will be no significant response, purely business as usual.
Pretty sure that’s the interpretation NATO is reaching.
I don't think Russia really wants to emulate the US and get involved in proxy wars all over the world, especially in the western hemisphere.
Even if they did, their resources are not unlimited. They also understand that the war in Ukraine is really just part of a larger, ongoing US + NATO war on Russia, and new fronts may arise around Russia's borders.
Yeah, maybe something like that is possible and I understand the desire for it. I tend to think significant military support at a scale big enough to matter is highly unlikely because (1) the distance from Russia and logistics involved. Venezuela is not within Russia's primary area of major influence, nor is it the area of immediate concern for their own security needs (such as Ukraine and Georgia). And (2) USSR was not engaged in a major and existential war of its own at the times of the US wars of choice in Korea and Vietnam. So, very limited resources to spare now with US and NATO showing no signs of wanting to de-escalate.
I don't want to see people build up their hopes and expectations that Russia will ride to the rescue and save Venezuela from US aggression. And then when those unrealistic expectations are not realized, they claim "Putin betrayed Venezuela!".
The US seems to plan to attack Venezuela, Russia's largest trading partner in the Americas. This will make sanctions more effective and harm Russia financially as well as removing an ally. I wasn't suggesting mere meddling. Rather, like Iran, this is another of those new fronts that is arising in the larger war. It is also, crucially, a front that might involve some Americans dying, which I firmly believe will be necessary to curb US bloodthirst.
Read somewhere that actually providing tomahawks would be the apex of the escalation ladder for the US so first it’s not likely, second it would signify total desperation to climb that high, and most importantly the tomahawks can’t be supplied in quantity enough to do anything but score hits on undefended targets so Russia would absorb the hits and continue on their way to the total annihilation of Ukraine. The outcome is ordained - unless there is a coup followed by total surrender there will be no ukraine, only a landlocked rump state.
Not buying the first part, but agree that there will be no Ukraine left. Really there isn’t one now, if by that you mean a state with any degree of sovereignty.
Continuing. The threat is never-ending war on all fronts: informational, geopolitical and military. We are currently bombing Russia regularly right now even as we speak. Our vassals are all but declaring war. France detained a merchant ship last month and the EU or NATO have repeatedly spoken about doing that systematically. We are attacking Russian allies and building hostile alliances, fomenting unrest in the Caucasus. I’ve probably forgotten several other things.
On several occasions, they have almost decided to nuke Western cities themselves in their mad schemes. London has been particularly mentioned as a target, 3 times that I know of alone.
The idea of dropping them onto other populations is hardly to fill them with less glee.
I suppose for the less-wealthy political class, it's a game of musical chairs as to who will get the bunker space, when you consider it.
Someone told me above to be more "realpolitic", :shrug:.
Trump has no intention of supplying tomahawks to Ukraine...it's all talk to appease delusional neo-cons and NATO diehards. With Trump's past problems with Russiagate he has to be cautious about being seen as pro-Putin, he'll drag out the process but never deliver. When Russia has boots on the ground in the entirety of the Donbas, the war will end. IMO that was the agreement made in Alaska but it was more of a Russian dictate because the US can't prevent that in any case. It was an agreement on the inevitable reality.
I like a comment I can disagree with 100%. :) I suspect Tomahawks are already in Ukraine or soon will be and don’t expect the war to end… ever? At some point the government of Ukraine will have to move abroad, but guerilla warfare will continue. That’s my prediction.
I don’t know. Above my pay grade. But I have heard that they were working on some alternatives, including having Ukraine build some sort of launching devices.
I think so. I guess it's one of my more extreme positions, but WHY are they being allowed to receive any western shipping containers at all at this point? It has been within Russia's power to eliminate them all since the beginning of the war.
What sources re tomahawks in Ukraine? Last I heard the launchers were either the US Army's massive 4 barrel behemoth that's very difficult to move and hide or alternatively the US marines launcher that is just being integrated into their force structure and not due for completion till around 2028.
"Guerilla warfare" is another cope. The one thing every successful insurgency has in common is a young population and the population of Ukraine is not young.
I didn't say it would be successful, but what are you going to do with 100,000 well-armed banderites if the state of Ukraine is eliminated? I expect them to keep fighting until destroyed.
You’re right. I do assume that. Are you assuming that well-armed thugs who have spent the last three years or more killing people and are tattooed from head to toe with nazi insignia are going to become peace loving? When the US is sending them money and weapons to keep doing what they’ve been doing?
And a lot of the young ones who were there have already emigrated to the West where they perceive better options in life.
It seems weird that Ukie conscription laws have so far avoided the younger people, ages 18-25. The "draft" in the US in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam focused on that age group first and foremost. Easier to propagandize the young ones into hating the "gooks" or the "Huns". Plus they are young and energetic. The Ukies conscripting old people seems really unusual.
Open borders stuff I guess. "Our Democracy". But it is just so weird that so many analysts just accept that it is somehow normal that Ukies freely conscript old people, but it is a big deal if they change a law to allow for conscription of 18-25 year olds. Every succesful army in the history of the world has conscripted 18-25 year olds instead of 40-60 year olds. .
There's no way now that Russia will stop before Odessa is in their hands. Or else the next announcement of the restarted war will be the mass naval drone on Russia's Black Sea fleet.
The pentagon did not say that. Certain 'european officials' et al 'in the know'! said that the Pentagon said that. The info was a Ukrainian plant to shame Trump into stumping up weaponry the US cannot afford to burn up in this lost war.
Be careful how you read the lurid headlines designed to keep Ukraine fighting now an imminent surrender-chaotic collapse is a very real and immediate risk.
There are many stories, all quoting the CNN article I just linked, saying that three European and American sources etc., all interpreting the facts as I did. Of course it could be a lie, but I don’t think it is. Tomahawks are not an important weapon, and it hardly matters how many we have.
I think there is no possibility of surrender any time soon and that chaotic collapse is entirely unlikely any time soon. Ukraine will keep fighting.
As I said, I think he’s already sent them and that they are not important weapons so there are, in fact, plenty to spare. The Russians are certainly not worried about the capabilities of the Tomahawks, nor should they be - with the exception that they might carry nuclear warheads.
I know some people think various people and entities are trying to persuade Trump, against his better judgment, to send Ukraine stuff. I don’t buy any of that. I’ve never seen him refuse to send a weapon requested, and all the background noise is just noise. The people requesting the weapons - the ones who count - are not Zelensky but US operatives on the ground.
After the Kursk debacle Ukraine was a spent force. Since then there has only been the single instance of them getting any initiative at all on the LOC. That was north of Pokrovsk and after they concentrated forces to block the Russians there the front collapses everywhere else. It's going to be interesting to see just how far this situation can play out before the West finally concedes. It could be quite a while.
That's the funny thing about the future. We don't really know do we? It really aggravates some, but others it embues them with an understanding of the infinite nature of possibilities.
One thought that crossed my mind, assuming I have the sequence of events accurate:
There was a "bunny ears" advance that Russia made a while back. It held for several months as Ukraine launched attack after attack at it. From the maps I've seen, the bunny ears were retaken by Ukraine, with an orderly Russian retreat. During the month or two that it took Ukraine to take at least the ears of the bunny, Russian troops have made advances ALL ALONG THE LINE OF COMBAT. Well except for the bunny ears combat area, where Russia allowed Ukraine to get their very expensive PR victory.
If I understand this article, the Russian general in charge of this area is getting fired? Up until now I was thinking he did exactly what he was supposed to do. Tie down elite Ukrainian ground forces and kill as many of them as possible.
"There was a "bunny ears" advance that Russia made a while back. It held for several months as Ukraine launched attack after attack at it. From the maps I've seen, the bunny ears were retaken by Ukraine, with an orderly Russian retreat. During the month or two that it took Ukraine to take at least the ears of the bunny, Russian troops have made advances ALL ALONG THE LINE OF COMBAT. Well except for the bunny ears combat area, where Russia allowed Ukraine to get their very expensive PR victory."
The thing to understand about those "bunny ears" shown on maps is that maps which show crisp lines of any kind are lies if you take them literally. It's not that kind of war.
This war is not about crisp front lines. It's about zones where for large areas, way larger than those "bunny ears" shown on maps, the zones have very mixed, constantly changing ratios of influence (it's naive to call it "control") by one side or the other. This war is being fought as the Russian surveillance-fire complex understanding of war that was widely discussed and committed to over 20 years ago predicted it would be.
That's a highly diffuse war where very small groups combine, dissolve, move around and then at times focus on the fly. The best that maps which show fixed areas of control can do is purport to represent where one side or the other seems to have a higher degree of influence. If you really wanted to capture more of reality in maps, you'd draw maps with diffuse sprays of paint where deeper on one side you'd have denser color for one side and on the other side you'd have denser color for that side, and in between you'd have a range of combinations of color over a very wide region that indicates the fluid intermixing of both sides in what is conventionally called a "gray zone."
The other hall mark of the Russian surveillance-fire complex is the fluidity of the force concentrations. Trying to pin down Russian forces who are working that system is like trying to nail jelly to a tree. Can't do it. And that's part of Russia's success in this war. Russian forces concentrate where they sense Kiev's forces are weak, they make progress in that area and then they consolidate with higher concentrations and more influence. But they don't hesitate to avoid breaking their heads on too-hard concentrations of the enemy when they can go around and strike weaker positions.
That presents Kiev with a "whack a mole" problem where they have to keep repositioning their forces to deal with pressure where Russia chooses to apply it, and then when they concentrate their forces onto what they think is too great concentration of Russian influence they discover the Russian forces have moved to strike where Kiev has reduced its forces.
That's exactly what happened with the "bunny ears". Kiev went chasing evanescent concentrations of influence and had their legs cut out from them in places from which they withdrew reserves.
I am kind of aware of the diffuse nature of the location of actual combat troops. I always wondered how many Russian troops there really were in the bunny ears, if any.
I hear what you are saying about troops moving around a lot. But it seems to me that there has to be some building or hole or something where they sleep and store stuff and just hang out. My belief is that these are static areas, temporary homes so to speak.
I think there always were Russians in the bunny ears because the Ukrainians were always trying to launch counter attacks to surround the tops of the bunny ears. If there were no Russians there, it would make less sense for Ukraine to launch such attacks.
The line of forces from daily maps seemed to finally show Russia retreating from the tops of the bunny ears, with Ukrainian forces moving in from the north. Not a situation of units being surrounded, but units that accomplished their purpose, now they were retreating to more defensible locations and possibly rotated out for rest and recuperation.
What DOES seems to have happened is: Russia gained some territory in the bunny ears area, Ukraine sent elite units from other front to push Russia back, in the time that it took Ukraine to finally push the Russians out of the bunny ears, Russia took advantage of weaker Ukrainian lines (units relocated to the bunny ears attacks) to gain orders of magnitude more territory than the territory of the bunny ears.
It’s great that Russia is making advances and is now within striking distance of the very territory that they lost 3 years ago, but IIRC the bunny ears were presented here as the umpteenth indicator that Ukraine was collapsing and that Odessa was next. So what is it? Is it strategically crucial territory or is it just another PR victory? You can’t have it both and that is what skeptics like myself on here take issue with. If Russia captures terrain it is always vital, but if Ukraine recaptures it, it was never that important to begin with. And if we dare to point out the inconsistencies as hopium and copium we are labelled nafo trolls or anti-Russian, in the exact same way all of us here would be labelled Putin lovers by the shitlibs and empire fanbois on any msm outlet. No engagement with the arguments but ad hominems and accusing people of being on the payroll of some foreign entity.
2 years ago the Russians were no where near Lyman, Kupiansk, or the towns they are taking in the south. Over time, steady noticeable progress. It is looking more and more like heavy NATO boots on the ground will be needed to possibly stop Russia SOMEWHERE.
There are lots of discussions about why Russia is advancing so slowly. All that we can know for sure is: so far, Russia has persisted in advancing slowly, and US/NATO/Ukraine has persisted in failing to prevent this.
Very true, George. Things haven't been the same since the Russian smashed their slave chains and rose up to challenge their Masters. Now we have the Chinese slapping the Emperor around with rare earth gloves demanding a duel at 20 paces. The Empire sailed past the Persian Gulf through Bab-El-Mandeb and all the way to Venezuela. Now if they don't send Venezuela back to the stone age they will look weak. Perhaps they are weak and the ghost of Simon Bolivar will walk the bridge of the USS Harry Ford and prized F15s will start dropping into the Carribbean.
The West isnt an Empire and never had any Emperor. The west is a colonial oligarchy pirates and bandits. Literally band of animals and parasitic oligarhs.
There is a growing contrast between the collapse in effectiveness of frontline defense, and the efficacy of strategic strikes. Ukrainian energy and infrastructure strikes do not appear to be subsiding, and the Russians don't have much of an answer. Yet.
Well good morning from Europe!
Good morning from San Diego!
Impossible now for the “attrition sceptics” to get their heads above barricades at this point.
Ukro collapse is, as stated in the article, going from linear to parabolic , with a steepening curve. “Things collapse slowly, then all at once” will doubtless prove true yet again.
No one willing to say roughly when yet though (except Macgregor who says next month as he has every month for the last several years).
Looking forward to GM’s usual flatulent commentary on Russia and Putin’s ongoing abject failure - must be having an afternoon snooze on the Ukrainian Riviera (aka Bali).
Yoi dont understand. It is Russia which is collapsing under traitor dictator Putin.
Plagiarism! General Melschitt has “collapsing traitor dictator putin “ copyright, all rights reserved.
Idiot
You have to understand the bigger picture.
Even if we assume that Russia is collapsing, Ukraine is collapsing faster.
It's all about the last man standing; and that man is always going to be the Russian Federation.
Russia is the opposite of collapsing
Is this irony?
of course. Only Jürgen the boche didnt get it.
If it is irony as you state, it is simply trolling because irony doesn't enable itself to be seen on the web without it being very carefully constructed so as to make it apparent. Your post doesn't do that but simply invites equally inflammatory comments. Then you can present your self as just being too incisive for people to understand.
Neither irony or sarcasm work because anyone (including myself) attempting to do so is TRYING to be clever to an audience that has wide language and cultural diversity.
Foolishness. I know. I've tried it.😉
He is a successful troller, many took the bait. 🦈
And the main question – can Ukraine win and guarantee itself a safe future for at least a few decades? Theoretically, yes. For this, we need internal destabilization in Russia and a change of the ruling regime there.
Now the Ukropropagandists embedded in this channel can be better spotted.
Theoretically, yes anything is possible, thats why it is “theory” .
Practically, no as very few things are actually possible , and those that are, are determined by past and current events.
Past and current events are clear that Ukraine is collapsing. There are no events past or present contrary to that outcome
I prefer to believe in the arrival of extraterrestrials next week; that's a better probability.
Zelensky is already in negotiations with them.
They are promising to re establish the 1991 borders in exchange for 1000 beautiful Ukrainian women.
Victory will be snatched from the jaws of defeat - but at a price.
The aliens aren't degenerate Western humans; they know perfectly well that the Ukrainians are in the West, not in Ukraine, and that the green goblin will deceive them with his promises. Negotiate with him? He'll destroy their world just like he's destroying the West. Seriously, for my part, I would have preferred to discuss and negotiate with Adolf the Teutonic Knight.
well at least the lil funny ukke guy has that really really big farm in Wyoming to escape to ..wonder if his wifey can bring all her big bad Bentley collection ? Might be room enough for a few thousand of the local folk too .:I hear the thing is four counties big .. What a great finale to the whole bloody scheme .
Ukraine has already lost, thanks to NATO.
NATO has already lost, thanks to Ukraine.
"facing certain death or months of torture in Russian captivity"
Is there any Russian effort to challenge the many comments such as this? Is sitting in a dark hole waiting for relief that rarely delivers, not a torture? If death as a Ukrainian soldier is not certain, why the violent efforts needed to procure 'recruits'?
"And the main question – can Ukraine win and guarantee itself a safe future for at least a few decades?" Maybe should have asked that long before Maiden.
I'm reading Operation Paper Clip written in 2014. Fascist ideology certainly does not lend itself to getting along with others. That we brought the German Nazi's most elite to our shores and nourished them with luxury to win cooperation is well established. At what point did cooperation turn into us getting co-opted.
Are there two supposed enemies that have more in common than Nazis and Zionist? Dirty tricks and hands. A certain lack of empathy.
Stalin retook all of Ukraine in about a year (while also fighting on a front twice as large elsewhere)
Putin will need at least five years to take half the Donbass.
Do I need to say more?
He has most of it now.
A few facts :
1. Stalin only retook Ukraine after defeating and crushing the Nazis by first retreating from them and leaving scorched earth as they fell back. He then destroyed them in an attritional war in Stalingrad. Many tens of millions of Russians died
2. Putin has also employed attritional tactics, but without burning Russian land and with a tiny fraction of the losses Stalin inflicted on his own people. WW2 devastated Russia. Under Putin the Ukraine war has strengthened Russia, by any measure.
3. WW2 has little in common with Ukraine. Look up drone warfare. Battlefield dynamics in Ukraine have nothing in common with WW2.
4. Russian under Stalin was supported by both the US and Britain with finance and weapons
5. Russia under Putin has been opposed and sanctioned by both the US , Britain and numerous others.Despite this the Russian economy has grown , during the Ukraine war to be the 4th largest by PPP in the world.
6. Russia was a failed state when Putin took over. It is now a world power , militarily and economically. Putin has done this in 20 years
7. Putin’s approval ratings in Russia are what western “leaders” can only dream of.
8. It follows then that you are a merely an anti Russian propagandist , and a very poor one.
>1. Stalin only retook Ukraine after defeating and crushing the Nazis
Which he did from 1941 to 1943. Two years. Then one year to take Ukraine. Meanwhile we are where exactly in year four of the current clusterfuck?
>2. Putin has also employed attritional tactics, but without burning Russian land
All the land that has burned so far is Russian land, and it is a lot of land. We're talking 150-200K km^2 of land contaminated for decades to come with mines and DU.
>and with a tiny fraction of the losses Stalin inflicted on his own people. WW2 devastated Russia. Under Putin the Ukraine war has strengthened Russia, by any measure.
Putin has turned Russia into a giant Syria, and is on course for the same outcome, unless something drastically changes. It will take longer, but the trajectory is the same. Managed by the same people too...
>4. Russian under Stalin was supported by both the US and Britain with finance and weapons
First, proportionally the bulk of the effort was Russian.
Second, Putin has the power to cut off all Western support for Ukraine tomorrow. But he refuses to use it.
>5. Russia under Putin has been opposed and sanctioned by both the US , Britain and numerous others.
So was the USSR between the wars. But Stalin prepared.
Putin hasn't.
>Despite this the Russian economy has grown , during the Ukraine war to be the 4th largest by PPP in the world.
Money does not matter, facts on the ground do.
>6. Russia was a failed state when Putin took over. It is now a world power , militarily and economically.
Which world power allows itself to be bombed 24/7 without daring to fire a single shot back?
>Putin has done this in 20 years
Yes, indeed, Putin did all this.
>7. Putin’s approval ratings in Russia are what western “leaders” can only dream of.
Which is a testament to how fucked Russia is -- the population must take these bums out and start fighting seriously, but it is too brainwashed to even contemplate it.
Ha ha , I get a similar response at the zoo by running a stick along the bars of the monkey cage. Much screeching and alarmed expressions.
Seems you are threatened by facts as monkeys are by a stick
200K km2… oh no🤯
Russia has only 17.1 million km2.
But I guess you had preferred the poluted land would be elsewhere: brussel, london, berlin*
It’s not Putin that broke the peace agreement, but NATO (in the form of Boris Johnson).
*) tempting thought😇
NATO in the forms of bidon, zensky, ukdrain, Johnson boris et the morrons alike!
Kindly keep going your already paper thin “credibility” is deteriorating with every post.
Can you show that DU has been used by Russia in Ukraine?
I've never heard of anybody ever saying that.
The only reference to it I ever heard was when the Brits sent Challenger tanks to Ukraine equipped with those shells, so some may have been released during their destruction by Russian forces.
https://theowp.org/reports/depleted-uranium-in-ukraine/
Elena, please, don't fall for hysteria from the owp.
Depleted uranium is, theoretically, "radioactive," but at such a low level that you could keep an inch-thick plate of it under your pillow and sleep on that for several decades and not accumulate a dose of radioactivity as much as a single modern dental X-ray.
The hazard from depleted uranium is not from radioactivity but from it being a heavy metal. Inhaling depleted uranium smoke is not good for you, just like inhaling lead smoke, that is very fine, aerosolized particles of lead, is not good for you.
Given the extensive use of lead in weaponry, like bullets, there's a lot of lead flying around modern battlefields. But you don't see radio-hysteria outfits like owp clutching their pearls over heavy metal poisoning from lead.
You're like a little yipping chihuahua at our heels that just won't go away... Chip
why do you sign off with your name? It's posted right up front
What a putz..... Chip
It's my signature. I don't give a shit what you think... Chip
And in a recent poll Russians rated Putin as the second greatest leader of all time, Stalin was number one.
Once Putin concludes the SMO and destroys the Ukrainian nazis shortly, he will probably overtake Stalin.
"And in a recent poll Russians rated Putin as the second greatest leader of all time"
Sounds like a fake poll, that is, a poll that rigs its results by polling a selected set of respondents the pollsters know will produce the results they want.
Russians overwhelmingly, hands down, love Putin and by overwhelming margins consider him a far, far better leader than Stalin.
The poll ranked leaders of the 20th and 21st centuries. Putin is first, Stalin is second.
Leaving aside that today's world is completely different from the one in 1940s, let me remind you of another educational episode of yours, since you are invoking Stalin again.
Once upon a time you were educating us how USSR lost the WWII. So, according to you, why did it lose? Because of the demographic catastrophe that befell it. So here you have it - because of Stalin.
And lets not forget the Banderite-releasing shitshow that Khrushchev started after incompetent Josie couldn't keep himself alive.
you obviously don't understand a few key facts:
1. Ukraine under the nazis was not the same as Ukraine (Europe's largest and best equipped army) under NATO
2. The nature of warfare has changed drastically and it is a new scenario now with drones and rocketry ruling the day
it's okay to be uninformed, but I wouldn't advertise it if I were you
Have you guys noticed that Ukroprop Great Moron never actually comments about Ukraine but always about bad Russia? But he/she sounds increasingly ridiculous. As Simplicius put it, the Ukranian banderist ring still insists over regime change in Russia through civil unrest and panic, but not because they think they can actually win, but because it is only way to stretch the war a little further.and keep the money flowing until spring-summer 2026, the time to find an apartment in Poland, Germany or another nazifriendly regime.
It’s the stress of fighting on the front line on the beach in Bali. Incoming pinacoladas!
Wow!
Bravo, bravo!
"4. Russian under Stalin was supported by both the US and Britain with finance and weapons"
and so was nazi germany.
Stalin lost 27 million Soviet citizens. Aren't you aware of how ridiculous it is to compare this Russo-Ukrainian war to the last big one against Germany?
It is not at all ridiculous, it is the same war, restarted, and for the same reasons.
Idiot
I tend to agree here with GM.
Adolf was a puppet as well and at the end used as a scapegoat. The ones financing the war, the ones wanting to fight a war (Churchill) all got away with it. They kept their money and power. They shaped the world, especially the western world by bribing politicians, buying media companies, funding NGO’s and they hated Germany, they hated Russia and they do so till today
Russia and China are the only significant countries which they do not control today.
Plus10 Marledonna. Fascism, like rust, never sleeps. The big war never ended really, it just shape-shifted...right before our eyes. The Native peoples in the USA were designated 'savages'. Cf Indian Removal Act (1830) and the "Trail of Tears". Land theft. The phony baloney attack on MX-Pres Polk and the massive land theft (1846). The Mexicans were called "greasers" by US troops. The Blacks kidnapped from Africa, their labor stolen, their women raped and children sold like calves. Is there a theme developing here? Fugitive Slave Laws and the new underclass designated: "n*ggers". The new enemy. Cf the performance of the Brits-everywhere. Now, through media curating, the familiar chestnut of building a new enemy...the Russians are the updated "n*ggers" and "savages". Rinse and Repeat. It looks to have different outcomes now...tick-tock...Nigeria beating up on Christians?! Oh NO, we better ride to the rescue and maybe steal their oil in the bargain. Same as it ever was.
I agree. The anti-GMers are being wildly enthusiastic. Scattering the Ukrainian army is not by any means trivial, but to stop drones from flying into Russia and killing civilians will require much, much more. For starters, the incineration of the government structures in Kiev, the enforcing of a no-fly zone, and the immediate destruction of any uninspected in-bound freight—and execution of those so attempting.
You speak the usual nonsense.
WW2 was triggered by the same interest group which ran both the USSR and the west, ie the "international bankers," which is code for you know who.
Germany showed how they could be defeated economically, by basing a currency not on gold borrowed at interest from them, but on currency based on work done, ie not borowed from anybody - and certainly not with interest attached.
And thus the bribing of their fellow traveller Winston Churchill with £40,000 to start the war against Germany, despite the latter's endless peace overtures.
What we have today is the victors of that conflict, ie the banker-infested "west," now seeking to destroy the nation which finally rose up against them, and threw them out of Russia; which was Putin's Great Sin - as it was National Socialist Germany's great sin.
So Hitler was a good guy, right?
Yeah, that sort of revisionism I really don't get.
Yes, the Anglo-Saxons went back to their usual playbook of instigating wars on the continent in order to weaken their rivals there by having them kill each other. In this case having the revanchist-minded Germans fight the real mortal threat, which was the communist USSR.
For which purposes they invested heavily in Germany, and a little bit in the USSR (it has to be acknowledged), but primarily in Germany, and they instigated it to go on the offensive. Which after the war was won has been euphemistically referred to as "appeasement", but in fact was instigation, because Britain was right there at the table every time before September 1939 and knew very well what it was doing.
So yes, the war wasn't started by the Germans alone, very far from it.
However, to go from there to "the Germans were not to blame and a victim of it" is just absurd.
Who had a genocidal agenda for the Slavic population of Europe and who killed 30M people in the USSR? The tooth fairy? And it wasn't Hitler himself burning whole villages alive, the regular Hans did it. Willingly and with great enthusiasm.
No, but he wasn’t the only one! The other bad people got away with it. They were bad and guilty as well. Without these people, no Hitler, without these people no war, no holocaust, no 60 million death. And possibly without these same people no October revolution. People like Cecil Rhodes (died in 1902, but his type of mentality).
At least, that is how I look at it. Cause and effect.
100%.
Fascinatingly, Putin acts very much like Hitler did, despite the efforts of RT and virtually every other media outlet to brainwash and gaslight us into believing the opposite.
Both endlessly sought a peaceful solution to banker-led agitation against them, both were slow to anger - Hitler waited six whole weeks before finally responding to Churchill's war crime of bombing civilian centres.
Both eventually were forced into a military solution to the murdering of their ethnic fellows by foreign states - Hitler put a stop to this occurring in Poland, ( see Bromberg Massacre ) and Putin moved into the Donbas.
Putin has realized the existential danger of the dollar continuing as the world's reserve currency - because it enables genocide of the kind we are witnessing in Palestine today - and Hitler also saw the dangers of borrowing gold at interest from the banking cartel, and so launched a work-backed Reichsmark - in both cases, these moves were direct casus belli to the banking class.
However, whereas Hitler could only mobilize a state the size of Texas against the entire "western" world, Putin has far more backup, and so will prove to be the final victor in this, as in every other banker-initiated war.
Agreed. With the exception of letting it be called the "Russo-Ukrainian war" without challenge when we all know that Ukraine is a mere puppet.
Why?
Because Putin does NOT view Ukraine as fascist like Stalin did.
For Stalin, EVERYONE who opposed him was a fascist and was exterminated.
So make some real comparisons, you idiot.
Start by reading real history books.
stop insulting everybody not agreeing, idiot.
In real history books you can read that back at those days everyone who opposed Stalin was indeed a fascist.
The whole West was celebrating Hitler and many fought at his site until the writing on the wall told them it's better to switch sides and present themself as 'anti-Hitler-coalition.'
If we accept the definition of fascism as the alliance of the state and business against the citizens, the USSR was as fascist as Germany or Italy.
The only difference was that in the USSR, all major business was already controlled by the state.
There was no "major business" in the sense that is meant in that definition in the USSR, thus your conclusion is BS.
Definition: "The term "business" refers to an organization or enterprising entity that engages in commercial, industrial, or professional activities." No mention of ownership structure.
The state controlled and managed all large scale USSR industry. It was both Communist and Fascist.
The USSR was as much fascist as the German Nazi's were socialist.
This is the old way to put honey and acid all in one bowl and declare the soup ready.
There was nothing state owned, it was people owned by representation of the communist party, the trade unions and the state combined.
That's why people got vouchers at the end of the USSR representing their 'share' in the economic structure of the USSR.
The next question would be; why using the Mussolini definition of fascism and not Lenin's definition of fascism?
If I declare a circle to being a triangle, I can use all the right formulas for calculating the triangle and end up getting wrong results.
Nobody should accept such a definition.
In NS Germany, state and industry were welded together in the interests of the people - not against them.
Have a look at Leni Riefenstahl's movie "Triumph of the Will" sometime.
If modern Russians love Putin, then Germans in Hitler's time loved him too - and the movie shows that.
Fantasy is a dirty disease. He never intended to conquer Naziland
Then he is a traitor
You are forgetting the difference between linear developments, and the exponential ones which invariably supervene at some point.
That inflection point is round about now.
You forgot to mention Stalin had a 5m man army. Kind of a big difference…
It will take long because Russia won’t mobilize.
I agree with this strategy.
Putin has steadfastly refused to mobilize for four years now.
That’s good, nobody should be forced to go to war.
Putin is saving the manpower by not mobilizing. There is a high chance WWIII may be coming, if that is the case then mobilization will be reserved for WWIII.
What area is 'the Donbass' in your perception?
Afaik it refers to the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, which are resp. about 80 and 99% under Russian control.
Less would be a big help actually.
And if it was actually relevant to the current situation it might give your horseshit a faint reflection of credibility in the fading twilight of immanent Ukrainian demise, due of course to the superbly managed attritional campaign conducted by Mr Putin and the Russian military.
How is the script for the “charge of the light brigade miniseries “ going? Is Fat Freddy Kagan still slated for the starring role? You must be busy
Let General Motors produce its cars.
Clown cars me thinks
Not at all…
There are no ”attrition sceptics”. Attrition is for real but it goes both ways.
The sceptic part is that Russia somehow choosed ”attrition” out of some 5D-chess strategy plan.
It is all a construction made in hindsight. What we see is tactics and strategy made as a neccessity not by choice. Russia had no other choice than hastily retreat from vulnerable positions and preparing a defens for Melitopol and Mariupol. Russia had no other choice to maintain a pressure on Ukraine other than send convicts and Wagner into Bachmut.
And, hear and be amazed, tactics and strategy has SHIFTED during these four years at least six times or more.
Both Ukraine and Russia is adapting to each others strenght and weaknesses and evolving techniques.
Making the ”attrition” a gospel is the same stupidness as Ruttes/von der Leyens ”Russia must not win”.
Here from Ukrainska Pravda even in 2023
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-prepares-long-term-war-103743848.html
"Russian President Vladimir Putin is preparing for a long-term war of attrition, having realised that he would not be able to quickly take over Ukraine.
Source: Press office of the Defence Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine
Quote: "Russia's preparation for a long-term war means the enemy's understanding that his plan to quickly seize Ukraine is impossible to implement. Therefore, Putin is now considering the option of a long-term war of attrition."
https://gur.gov.ua/content/kerivnytstvo-rosii-rozumiie-shcho-plan-shvydkoho-zakhoplennia-ukrainy-nezdiisnennyi.html
Dunno who is doing 5D chess, Putler or Herr Hanssen. ;)
Of course you would say that, but no, this the Harvard University “Russia Matters” site, it gives the history of the poll and Putin’s position over 20 years or so:
https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/soviet-figures-still-dominate-russians-most-outstanding-global-figures-list
The sooner the better for everyone but the genocidal globalist Bankster's that create money out of thin air and turn it into debt through their war machine and what has now become an entirely corrupt and second rate Western Arms industry.
It would be extremely gratifying to read of few Crack Ukrainians troops (loyal soley to the Ukrainian people) leaving the battlefield to go hunting for the likes of Boris Johnson or Macron. I would consider pay as much as €10,000 for one of Johnsons eye balls, as armchair support of Justice being rightly served
At the rate of collapse along the southern front, it wouldn't shock me at all if the Russians push all the way west to the Dnieper river by March/April next year. Maybe even sooner if it spirals. It makes me wonder how far north on the east side of the Dnieper river they need to push before being able to adequately shield a river crossing to take Kherson and maintain the river crossing logistics for a push down to Odessa.
The Russian inability to cross rivers is strange to me. In WWII they were able to launch bridge heads every time all along huge rivers like the Volga, the Don, Dnper,.Dnister, Vistula, Oder... All against German panzer divisions and Luftwaffe strikes !!! Another consequence of the drone revolution? Same for airborne troops. Not a single operation in this war. In fact, the Ukranian helicopter stunt was the first to my knowledge.
The Ukrainian helicopter is a miserable breed. Read about the Gostomel landing, where there were up to 200 helicopters, including unmanned helicopters for distraction and detection of air defense...
So you answer your own question.
ISR is now ubiquitous; whereas in earlier wars, you could launch attacks before they were detected and neutralized.
it's a different world we live in today.
The other action was back at the time of ASOV Steel factory in Mariupol with 8 helicopters, one time 5 and the next try 3, if my memory is correct.
They cant take Odessa from land. It is not only Dniepr between. It is way more. Take a close look at a map.
With luck, they won't have to.
Once the UAF is completely defeated, there will be nothing to prevent the Russians entering the city on skateboards if they choose.
Lots of Russian partisans in Odessa.
NATO will officially join long before Russian military gets close to Odessa. Like Russia, they both think they are playing the long game.
The pro-Ukraine crowd suffers from a notable lack of information: Russians innovate drone tactics and get first access to Chinese components.
The Ukrainians are winning the social media war, but losing the actual war.
There are suckers born every minute. They are the audience of Ukro-Judaeo-Nazi propagandists.
The 'Ukrainians' in charge in Kiev are mostly not Ukrainians. They couldn't care less about the actual war. They are running a money laundering operation for their sponsors, trafficking women and children, and selling organs. Also they are stealing most of the funds provided for the war and trafficking weapons to the highest bidders. If they can create the optics to support the lie that they are trying to win a war, and the money keeps coming - then they are winning.
Bit like "Israel" then. And every other Western proxy in history.
Exactly like Israel. Minus the license and power to commit genocide.
I'm pretty sure that the Western handlers would have initiated a genocide in Eastern Ukraine a la Gaza once the AFU had captured it.
After all the idea was to GET Russia to intervene. And genocide is in the West's DNA since Rome.
That was the Rubicon moment for Putin.
Once he saw massive Ukrainian ultra nationist forces massing on the Donbas border, he gave the order to initiate the SMO, so as to intercept what would assuredly have happened, as you are suggesting.
100%.
Which demonstrates that Russia's "just the.tip" style of warfare was foolish. A lot of good people who trusted Russia lost their lives as a result. Not to mention bonehead things like releasing Azov prisoners.
genocide is in the Jew dna - read their stupid books and look at their holidays....
Genocide is potentially in ALL our DNA. The fact of that is that ALL species are competing for land and resources, and as Frank Herbert in Dune makes clear (Its not in the films), the greatest competition comes from your own kind.
What we call society (Family, workplace, school, civil society etc), mitigates those thoughts and tendencies - in sane societies.
Jahweh of the "bible" goes through a personal journey, from being an arrogant self-absorbed egotistical arsewipe, to becoming (not quite as bad in a couple of ways but still pretty damn awful), see the excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5PlJiqOnk
It is noticeable that all the worst people in the West (And elsewhere), tend to say they follow the oldest parts of that book.
Coincidence, I'm sure.
Potentially every person can kill, and killing is what makes us capable of genocide. There is nothing special in "jewish" DNA.
Culturally, the 'Judeo-Christian' culture is quite probably the most barbaric and problematical in the World today. And there's some contenders.
Their record in Kursk and the places the Russians had to pull back from hasn't been uplifting, has it.
The actual Ukrainians in charge in Kiev could not care less about Ukrainians.
Of course, its all part of a greater plan.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world
They are not "winning the social media war", the West's autocratic rulers (Who own the media) have ordered the media to only present Russophobic positions.
Without that bias, any accurate reporting of the Bucha massacre by Azov, along with their other atrocities and war crimes, such as torture against POWs and attacks on civilians, would have made Kiev as hated as Israhell. Even in the West.
You are not "winning" when you have to throw people in jail for reporting/commenting accurately and honestly.
True overall, but they are indeed winning the social media war, because the target audience are north americans and europeans, which are the dumbest people ever. The vast majority believe whatever their media tells them, no questions asked.
There does seem to be a direct correlation between how much control Murdoch has over a country's media, and the stupidity of that country's people after a while.
But also bear in mind that the propaganda systems of the current English-speaking world are light years ahead of anything in history. Possibly the only worse period was the Roman church's control, when they deliberately kept 95% of the population illiterate.
Although it seems education systems in most Western countries are beginning to emulate that goal.
A perfect case study for the control Murdoch has over a country's media, and the stupidity of that country's people is Australia. The uber Zionist owns 80% of media (across all mediums),
And the majority of Australians are as ignorant as possible.
The first Murdochcracy.
And yeah. :/
“Monsters exist, but they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are the common men, the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.”
― Primo Levi
Just as in the fake pandemic. Look at how many zealouts signed up to inject the victims, to be "Covid" marshals, , dob in their neighbours for breaking illegal lockdowns, etc.
Truly frightening and on the same level as the mobs that burned women in Salem.
My friend, fighting a pandemic is like fighting a war, its a collective effort, you don't get to just opt out because you dont believe in it or dont care. Of course when these people got sick bad enough they went to the hospital too. Modern medicine has advanced significantly in a short period of time but for most of history infectious diseases killed and maimed more than anything. And masks, quarantine and social distancing aren't new, go look at pictures from the "spanish" flu 100+ years ago
Fuck off and die suddenly you ignorant muppet.
The simplest of all facts is that as "covid" cases grew, so "flu" cases declined; the obvious implication therefore is that the one was the other renamed, and so not requiring any intervention whatsoever.
The whole point of the exercise was to reduce the population, and to prevent its growth subsequently by the mass damage done against fertility by the injection which was then unleashed.
Even the very word "pandemic" was redefined by the WHO so as to make symptom-free presentation into a "case," by abusing the testing methodology so as to imply that a "technique," ie PCR, was actually a "diagnosis," which it was never designed to be, according to Kary Mullis, its Nobel prize-winning creator.
As for "not getting to opt out" this is precisely what everybody has the right to do.
It's certainly what I did - and would do again, in a heartbeat.
barely 40% now support that illegal jew state.... that is a good start.
Doesn't matter, as long as the rulers' orders are carried out.
There's the rub, all right.
I doubt any orders were issued or necessary. The MSM and journalists know full well what kinds of reporting will win you awards and plum assignments, and what kind of reporting will get you assigned to cover allegations of corruption in bidding on port-a-potties in Alaska.
As in the famous Chomsky quote to Marr "If they believed any different, they wouldn't be sitting in that chair".
Murdoch fx chooses his editors carefully - he rarely needs to tell them what he wants, because he's choses people who will agree with him anyway.
They only appear to win it, by virtue of the fact that western media is completely controlled.
But the victory is a hollow one.
Most people don't care as far as the so-called "victory" packaged right
It's not difficult to win a propaganda war, when the people you are targeting, are north americans and europeans, the dumbest people on planet Earth.
Most north americans and europeans have the perfect "qualities" for that. They are supremacists and think they are better than everyone else, which makes them believe that whatever their media tells them, is true, no matter the facts. They are propagandized 24/7 to believe they live in "democracies" and that their states / governments care about them, which makes most of them ignore things like censorship, fascism, authoritarianism, etc, happening right in front of them. They also have absolute trust on their "authorities" and what they claim and do, never doubting them for one second and constantly attacking those that dare to oppose the official narrative.
The best comparison I have for western societies / peoples, is that they are like religious cults. Fanatics to the core, that do not and cannot accept that they are lied to. They live in their own bubble and don't want to leave it, ever.
Levels of technology and propaganda go hand in hand, but reality will bite into the narrative of superiority, particularly if that reality is economic collapse. I’d venture to say that’s where the West is headed in the not too distant future.
It's true. It recently came to my attention that Americans are the most brainwashed people on the planet, probably followed closely by Europeans. (It's really the same system, after all.) I don't want to call them "the stupidest people on the planet," but it's difficult not to come to that conclusion. The eagerness with which they accept the official narrative is astounding. In conversation with them you're faced with media talking points instead of a human being, none of which have been critically analyzed and are deployed in the same order as they were heard on the news. For Americans I make the excuse that they have no frame of reference, no framework in which to place or understand anything. Europe at least had a more or less organic culture than spanned thousands of years; America is a country barely 250 years old whose culture was dictated by personal ambition and the desire for wealth. Now American culture is shaped by corporations (and God knows what else), and has been for generations.
This does show how damaging the 2022 attack by NATO to recover Kharkov and Kherson was for Russia. That huge territory is still being fought for at a grueling pace.
Imagine the situation today had Russia not been forced to retreat in 2022.
In fairness, that "retreat" was a strategic masterstroke. The NATO-Ukr forces attacked, and that entire army was destroyed. It took a year to rebuild, and even then was considerably poorer trained.
However, had the Kremlin not foolishly accepted the "word" of Kiev, and retreated voluntarily from Kiev as a show of good will, this SMO could have been a great deal shorter.
Please, wishes aside, we need to practice our own version of Realpolitik and/or the facts of life. We now know that in 2022 the Russian army was simply not capable - yet - to hold onto whatever gains it made. With a mere 80K (max 100K) soldiers across such a huge front, decisions had to be made.
Withdrawal from Kiev made sense if an agreeement could be obtained, a la Istanbul. Russia, at that time was still willing to consider something like "autonomy" for Donbass and iron clad withdrawal from any NATO alliance by Ukraine. Back then, there were still many soft-hearted, West believers in and around the Kremlin, so an actual peace agreement with enforcement mechanisms made sense.
Back then. almost 4 years ago.
Now, Russia had time to recuperate, to advance its tactics and to adapt to NATO tactics and weaponry. No one is even talking about some bradleys or F-16's any longer. And those Himars? the minute they fire they are goner.
The only question I have is whether Putin + inner circle knew ahead of time, in April 2022 that the agreement they were working on was never gonna happen. If so, it made sense to play along, so they can present a peace-loving face to their Global South commerades. I kind of believe they knew all along and it was pretty much a poker game. Botis johnson came and made the call, and it turned out to Russia's advantage in the long run (at a cost, of course).
People need to process that Russia was simply not really ready to fight the full NATO supported Ukraine in early 2022 and so they needed to buy time. Stupid West - instead of accepting what was on the table (and gave them some advantages) fell for the bait - and they switched.
Of course Russia was massively overstretched in the initial invasion, had taken some horrendous losses unexpectedly, and the local uprisings in defence of local Ukr sovereignty (IE to throw off the West) never materialisied.
Nonetheless, having a very large force camped out next to your enemy's capital is always good leverage.
Apart from that, I'm not sure why you think I'm disagreeing with your points, and need 'realpolitic'.
The news said the convoy had to turn around due to lack of supplies. Captured soldiers said they rolled out with almost nothing like the force wasn't expected to be used or corruption or something. Plus they didnt expect the AFU to start hitting their rear. I remember one vid filmed through a window where a bunch of Russian tanks just ripped ass through a Ukrainian neighborhood probably afraid of getting cut off, one had half its track hanging off but it wasn't stopping
The Kremlin correctly judged that the napolean clown would surrender immediately. What they hadn't planned on was that he would be given "An offer he could not refuse" by Blojo the UK clown. (Along with a large bag of pharma-grade sniff, little doubt).
Could have should have would have.
They failed.
We are not disagreeing on the Realpolik part but on tactics, given facts on the ground. My one disagreement is that, based on all I read at the time - and later, Russian supply lines were really insufficient to maintain that force at Kiev's doorstep. I am sure the decision to withdraw faced much opposition, but the military realities on the ground prevailed in the end.
I reckon that when the opportunity arose and Russia could present the withdrawal as a good faith move, the military leaders were more than happy to do that which they realized they'd have to do anyways. In a way, the istanbul agreement provided the perfect excuse to present the withdrawal as a voluntary good will move. That's basically just my rational guess - not being privvy to any strategic inner circles.
I do agree that Russia was taken by surprise that the revolt among Ukrainians opposed to their regime did not take place. It was a miscalculation, and I'm sure some heads roled over that in places unknown to us.
BTW, when the US does and did successfully precipitate inner opposition uprisings as part of their own regime change operations, however inorganic they were, there was a very significant factor in the outcome. And that was large scale bribery. Americans, being somewhat cynical about authentic motivations of the populace basically hand out candy like it's a 5 years old birthday party. That has been the secret sauce in the collapse of the Iraqi army in 2003, Libyan military in 2012 (?) and of course last year's collapse of the Syrian military. Americans understand that idealism and commeraderie take you only so far. At the end of the day, the generals have to be bribed. That's what the Russians did not process IMO, in 2022. People don't take chances on an uprisings (at least most don't) even if motivated by some beliefs, unless they can see the reward - which is how the maidan revolution succeeded.
I recall the western press had gloating articles that the head of the 'spy' dept tasked with that in Moscow was fired on the spot by Putin personally, and that indeed large sums of money had been wasted on such bribes that went nowhere.
Of course, to believe a single word that comes out of western corporate media is to be an instant gullible cretin.
But perhaps this time there is some truth to it.
While bribes are important for Western coups, at least as important is their saturation of the media space, total communications surveillance, and needless to say complete amorality with regards to 'pressure'.
"Offers they cannot refuse" is a Western speciality.
Indeed, it's what many "forget" (I'd wager on purpose) that that offensive cost the nazis / NATO a lot. Of course for NATO, thousands of dead ukrainians means nothing, ukrainians are their meat slaves after all, they treat them as such. But lots of NATO / soviet era equipment was destroyed too. Something that took the nazis / NATO about a year to recover from and never entirely, because NATO had to start providing equipment and weapons to the nazis, at a staggering rate, to a point where NATO countries started depleting their own stocks. They then followed with the so called "counter offensive of 2023" and those losses were even more staggering for the nazis / NATO, because the russians built an actual huge defensive line, while in 2022, they had defensive lines, but far smaller.
As for the good will gesture in regards to Kiev, that was indeed a huge mistake. One that Putin seems to want to repeat with the orange psychopath. Putin is just too gullible, even though he knows he's dealing with nazis....
Agreed. Except the last two sentences. The Russian military and Duma know who they are dealing with.
Have you heard of maskirovka? The Russians are masters in that art.
The so-called "good will gesture" was, in truth, motivated by tactical military necessity. Like I said above, I believe Putin et al were quite glad that the Istanbul format gave them the pretext to withdraw from areas they were unlikely able to supply for long without too much loss of face.
I further believe, as stated above, that there was a kind of poker game going on. Had Ukraine gone along with what was on the table for them, they would have ended up with a rather favorable outcome, strategically speaking - basically a Minsk agreement + disavowal of NATO (both of which could be reneged on later anyways). Perhaps that's how Zelensky et al saw it - agree in principle, but basically buy some time for later. Luckily for Russia, BoJo just had to jump into the frey and upend the apple cart (therefore giving up an ace while miscalculating the response).
Sure, you can say that. But that nazi / NATO offensive cost the nazis / NATO quite a lot. Thousands and thousands of them were killed / severely wounded, while the russians suffered little to no casualties with a near perfect retreat, while causing a lot of damage to the nazis. Considering that taking territory is not Russia's main goal, but the destruction of the ukrainian army is, I would argue it wasn't that damaging for Russia. Also it was at a time when Putin was still thinking that after being deceived - again - by the ukrainians / NATO - he could still manage without proper mobilization for the war. This was in fact when the war actually started, after the nazi / NATO offensive and when most russians - except Putin - understood that there was no negotiation possible with nazis / NATO to end the war and Russia would just need to complete its goals entirely, by military means.
The tragedy of Ukraine was set off at the moment when The Comedian was allowed to become their leader. He is foreign to the interests of that nation just like Macron is to France and Ursula is to Germany. This war should have never started and The Comedian was the one who pushed for it. It would be truly cynical if he was allowed to run to Parish or Miami, set up some sort of shadow government and keep quacking from there.
Surely it was the success of the Maidan Coup that pushed Ukraine in to chaos?
Zelensky is a weasel, but more of a puppet than a play maker.
As early as 2021 the Azov troops basically told him to go fuck himself, in camera.
I see him as a weak greedy man, who has allowed his country and himself to be used up and spat out by people who don't care about them.
If he is a puppet (and he is!), then he can't really be held responsible for allowing his country to be used up. It is the Americans, British and Europeans who should be held responsible. Z will likely get his due at the hands of Azov before he can make an exit.
We say "Puppet" as though that individual can make no choices. But he could have made several different choices.
Is HIS life worth 1.5 MILLION Ukrainians? Like hell.
The only choice he had was that given to the Terminator's various targets - "Five seconds to comply!!"
If he didn't, he was toast - and burnt toast at that.
He had more choice than the 1,500,000 Ukrainian men he has forcibly conscripted and sent to die because he loves nose powder.
It seems likely that if he hadn't, he would have been quickly taken out and replaced by somebody who would. This does not mean he is not culpable, only that the end result wouldn't have been any different.
the jew does not think the goyim have any value but to server the jew...
http://www.americantaskforce.org/daily_news_article/2010/10/18/1287374400_9
They also seem to be a grudgy lot.
https://odysee.com/@Henkselipoika:0/Rabbi-Mendel-Kessin-on-Ukraine---Russia-War:0?t=%7Bseek_to_second_number%7D
Zelensky was played like a moron. He didnt expect all this. He is controlled by the West like a doll. He has 0 power.
Ukraine is Western Nazi regime. Controlled from London Brussel White house.
stop with the retarded "Nazi" jew propaganda. the west is controlled by the jew and this is a jew war against their hated russian
Western colonial elites hate Russian guts as much as jews.
Nazis were Zionists and sponsored by Jew Banksters and degenerate low IQ westerners who served them.
If you serve to a Nazi Jew you are a Nazi too. and unfortunately a lot of western elite ruling class hates Russia.
Hitler literally was jewish puppet.
Your comments are retarded.
Yes, but Zelensky is no moron. Even though he knows he'll be killed by his fellow nazis, if he does anything against their "objectives", he's destroying his country for one and one thing only: himself.
All western puppets are corrupt pieces of trash, with no values and no principles, which is why they are easily corrupted. For Zelensky and nazi Co, they could care less that they are sending thousands to die, as long as they have their pockets filled with blood money - dollars. Zelensky is very much the same as pretty much all "leaders" in Europe. Supremacists, fascists, corrupt to the core that will do everything to keep power, including destroying their countries. All their actions are perfect proof of that, the only question is, will other european peoples be as dumb as ukrainians, and accept being meat slaves of the western elites ? I will say some european peoples, will accept it, with no questions asked. That's what propaganda 24/7 does to westeners, they become zombies, without the ability to use their brains.
Yes i have friends from Germany Britain Sweden. They are literally terrified. A lot of people there not just dont resonate, dont have compassion or understanding, but they dont even want to understand anything. They dont care, they want only hate.
Obviously every country has different groups of people and some dissident minorities. But amount of hate towards Russia and Russian literally everything is just mindblowing.
I think it will have huge geopolitical consequences historically.
I'll never forget how some entrepreneurial company at the start of this war was charging Americans to engrave the words of hate on shells meant for Russia. Some guy even bought the above for his American wife as his wedding anniversary present. Hatred is a deep, personal feeling - I never understood how one can hate someone they never met, never even visited Russia, to such a degree. How could you whip up such amount of hatred from the population, beats me. The numbers of people "ready-made to hate" be it Russia/China/Venezuela/whatever are just staggering.
Most allow Hollyweird and the MSM to decide who to hate and who to like.
Straight out of 1984.
"The Soviets defeated Nazism and Europe will never forgive them for that."
-Attributed to a Soviet general
Marshal Zhukov.
Europeans like being slaves.
It's funny that Nazi Germany started the WW2 with the USSR for "Lebensraum" (Living space, i.e. Land grab), and nowadays, the great European "Übermensch" don't wanna have children sufficient to fill in their own "European Garden", so they're forced to import immigrants from ex-European colonies they once destroyed..
The irony is Thick..
Indeed, John. He was actually elected to bring the civil war in Ukraine to an end, but he was body snatched on a trip east to discuss this with the zealot fighters there.
Once the RF knew the last chance of resolving this oppression of its own people had been ground into the dust by western interference, Russian military entered Ukraine to settle it by force. There would have been a highly favourable settlement for Ukraine in being obliged to do no more than it had agreed to do under the MAs, if one Boris Johnson had not blown that up.
The rest is history. The west has every drop of spilt Slavic blood on its hands, and those leaders named individually in an awesome list, will be brought to an accounting each of his own. The worst for the west is yet to come, which is one of the reasons european leaders are so desperate to keep the fight going in the desperate hope that some event will turn up to save their own skins. It won't.
As for those leaders, we must hope that ice picks are being produced on an industrial scale, possible attached to drones with those leaders names on and ready for use asap.
No. Tradegy of Ukranine strated when West became colonial superpower and began to see other nations not as people but as slaves and animals for hunting.
Current leaders precisely represent the Historical West and western predatory behaviour since 15 century (or even earlier since crusades maybe. that Byzantium considered as anti Christian and heresy.)
Reduction everything to Zelensky and 2-3 western figures and saying oh uh we god guys its just 2-3 bad actors but we are "freedom democracy the people" uh oh. Its just so bad.
Western international oligarchy and western colonialism didnt start yesterday.
Western hubris racism (that i experiebced since i was 14, im white and im Eastern European) is just mind twisted society. All this dehumanization and demonization of non-West is nature of Western everyday culture.
It's tradegy for Russia and Russian peole, for the entire Eastern EU, for global South, for Middle East, for Palestine and Asia and Latin America and genocidal colonization if Africa that still is goijg on.
It's not Zelensky. It is the West.
You can take it all back to the Roman "Empire" - the first European genocidal "Empire". Before then, the interconnected European Pagan world had 'border' skirmishes, but warfare like this was unheard of.
And of course Rome ended with the imposition of Christianity - the childish knock-off that brought Jewish style racism and 'Supremacy' ideas with it.
And the rest is history - holocausts everywhere.
When the first European Roman genocidal empire was born, there had been
many genocidal empires in other parts of the world.
The "genocidal" empires of Ur, Babylon, Assiria, Hattusa, Egypt, Han Chinese, etc.
Are you really unable to read some books?
I'm well aware of what OTHER parts of the World suffered under.
That would likely be why in my post I had emphasised EUROPE.
Most people's knowledge of European history begins 2000 years ago, which is like thinking the bloodshed in Palestine began on the famous 7th Oct.
Perhaps it's you that needs to do some reading.
Forget this discussion. From a historical perspective, even the two world wars were minor catastrophes, and Ukraine is just a tiny little sidenote. When comparing the number of humans living in Europe (and elsewhere), at a given historical time, with the number dying from violence, you see a steady decline in violence. Therefore this discussion leads nowhere, because you speak about facts, and the others have their hate for this and that, ignoring everything pointing in another direction.
Roman Empire is Roman Empire.
Western white barbarians are not Roman Empire.
West was created in 8-9 century. And west was colonial psychotic regime since then.
You say that every Empire is expanding. Yes. EMPIRE. Imperial growth, you conquer and make them part of you nation.
West wants only steal rob and genocide. This is a key difference.
Roman Empire as much as Persian as much as Russian or Chinese they conquer to enlarge territory and they made new people as citizens
West wants just colonize and genocide. Never part of the west. But resource colony.
And Ancient Hellenic Roman Byzantee world and Western world are different people and civilizations.
When Caesar invaded Gaul, he boasted that he had "Killed a 1/3rd, and taken another 1/3rd back to Rome to be sold as slaves" (And tens of thousands were slaughtered in "re-enactments" of his battles).
Trajan's Column is the very first recorded deliberate genocide written in stone. They invaded Dacia with the INTENT to annihilate the entire population. Who had the audacity to be ruled by women, and were unfortunate enough to have gold mines, which could pay off Rome's debts. (Sound familiar?).
The Persians would have smacked you VERY hard if you'd tried to tell them they were "Similar to Rome", and rightly so. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x42uyeu
I would LOVE if the Roman world did not affect the modern world, but sadly that is absolutely not the case. The Roman church still spreads its propaganda; and the western societies and cultures drip with the sociopathic beliefs, attitudes and Class systems of Imperialism - which were introduced and by Rome.
Oh yeah by "Roman" i mostly mean Byzantee, and Mediterranian civilization in general.
Romans were barbarians comparing to Greeks and Persians. I agree with you. Roman Empire was like fascist regime more than normal society.
long time no see :)
i think david graeber got it right and the debt is the real culprit; as in any society which has a debt driven economy will inevitable descend into class-war and inward/outward violence.
and is the thing that all genocidal empires have in common; one might even say that the state itself appeared as a mechanism of debt(and violence generated by it) management.
Alex Krainer has really added meat to those financialised bones in recent years. The loss of Graeber is a tragedy for all of us. :(
Ok, I'm from "the West" and, therefore, I automatically belong to the bad guys, and I am guilty of demonizing and dehumanizing non-Western people every single day of my life.
Only, let me tell you that, for instance, the main protests against the ethnic cleansing in Gaza took place in that evil West. The rest of the world was basically indifferent - apart from the Turks. Eastern Europe didn't even peep. They just don't care.
Finally, please stop tarring everybody with the same brush in that typically, fanatically leftist way of yours. There indeed are bad people in the West, especially around the top, but there are very good people too - be it disinformed, naive, or simply too stupid to understand what is going on.
The protests didn't help much. The fact is that the West via the zionist state of Israel is conducting genocide. The fact that a minority shouts in the streets doesn't say anything, since the democratically elected goverments are the genuine representatives. And they are evil.
It is the zionists who are ruling the West, not the other way round. All main American politicians, apart from Thomas Massie, are on the payroll of AIPAC. That says enough.
It says a lot, but it doesn't say as much as it should.
What we should understand is that the entire world is facing an existential challenge from Satan's Seed, the jew - the first iteration of which malign and inhuman creature was Cain, the son of Lucifer and Eve.
The Two Seeds doctrine enunciated at Genesis 3,15 is key to the true understanding of what we see still playing out some 6000 years later.
But mankind is asleep and having eyes to see, yet he does not see.
minority? global majority you mean?
In Eastern Europe, the people adore violence love violent leaders.
Who is helping Israel perpetuate the genocide? Mainly Western countries. So, if W countries shut down the money and weapons support, how much of a genocide would there be? We perpetuate it, but others should do what? If W do not stop the support of Israel then only WWIII can stop it. I do not see any other solution, until there is financial implosion in the W.
I cannot stand our selective "empathy" in the West. How many people peeped in the West about the people in Donbas?
I personally benefited from Humans Rights court in Strasbourg. However, they flatly ignored the pleas of people in Donbas. How disgusting is this? Do you remember mocking Scholtz standing next to Putin, when latter was talking about genocide in Donbas? Disgusting twat.
How many times, when there was a terrorist attack in Russia, our politicians and journos would respond with malevolent glee?
Some Israeli general pointed out that Israel could not wage war for a day without constant American support.
There were reports that, even with the W help, military wanted to end the war with Iran on the fourth day.
Link?
Russia and China were main protestors in UN. Other nations protested as entire nation, official position. Why average people should protest if government already has anti Israel official position?
Western street protests dont mean a lot and its the West that is genociding. Israel is just a western proxy.
2) I never expanded blame on ENTIRE population. A lot of good people live in the West. But historically its western ELITE CLASS, Rulling class, that are colonial racists. I hope you dont believe in democracy so its not every person choice.
Its international power. Governments, banks, corporations and long bankster oligarh families and dynasties. West is a uniparty of Oligarchy.
I like western people no problem with them but entire system is utterly racist (racism goes from top to down, its a regime) Average person is propagandised entire life.
1/"Israel is just a western proxy."
That's not true. It is the zionists who are ruling the West, not the other way round. All main American politicians, apart from Thomas Massie, are on the payroll of AIPAC. That says enough.
2) "I never expanded blame on ENTIRE population."
Then you better you use definitions like "the globalist leaders of the West" instead of "the West," a term that points a finger to the entire population. Do you realise how unfair this is? While some individuals in the elite of the West were making money in the colonies, the great majority of the common people in Europe were slaving in coalmines and factories - children included - for very poor wages. Their lives weren't much better than those of the common people in the colonies.
Again this absurd use of the usual mantras.
Try to follow a rational way of thinking and clarity of concept.
First, if you are Eastern European it is impossible that you have suffered due to any form of racism in Western Europe, as it is not possible to identify Eastern Europeans by physical traits.
One gives Mr. Medvedev a baguette and puts him in a French village and you have a typical French man.
Second, please stop repeating this story about Western aggression against the world as if the Western European nations had been guilty of something unique in the history of mankind.
When the Crusades occurred, Muslims invaders had invaded Spain three centuries before, could only be stopped by the Franks near Paris, and were already threatening the Roman Empire of the East.
When Constantinople fell to Asian Muslim invaders, those went further West, and in fact, Vienna was on the brink of disaster twice.
Only after Lepanto they stopped raiding Italian costal towns and villages, looting and capturing slaves.
Most extraordinary, apparently France, Spain, Portugal or Grean Britain practiced wicket colonialism, but the Ottomans or the Russian Empire did not.
In fact, Russians as the last outposts of the European suffered for centuries the attack of mounted nomads, who in the technical conditions of the age had a strategic superiority. Farmers had to live separately, and in the harsh climatic conditions of Russia, wide apart because the land is not very productive.
The nomads could concentrate easily.
When fire arms were developed, the superiority of mounted archers in the wide plains
disappeared and the Russian started going East as the coastal Europeans of the West had started going overseas.
The normal human behaviour since the development of organised States.
One can understand Mr. Lavrov trying to use the arguments available to him to counter the stupid anti Russian propaganda of the West, but observers
should not buy false narratives of anyone's side.
"First, if you are Eastern European it is impossible that you have suffered due to any form of racism in Western Europe, as it is not possible to identify Eastern Europeans by physical traits."
When you are an immigrant even 2-3 rd generation you are still Polish Russian Serb Bolgarian etc.
A lot of Poles heavily complained about racism(ethnical discrimination since its same race) in UK USA Germany etc.
I knew Russian guy who born and grew up in USA (his parents are immigrants he is 2nd generation) He suffered racism (discrimination) entire life. His stories were crazy. May be because he lived in New England and not Texas dunno.
so this shit was forever You just never noticed.
Again my friend, It was IMPERIALISM. They conquered and assimilated. West either genocide either forever slave in resource colony.
Man, you dont understand what i am talking about.
Its huge difference between chinese persian russian and for example british german.
Even africans sayin russians are white they are different white. For the western elites, rest of the world are inhuman colonies. For Elite class, for Rulling class.
They dehumanized Arabs, Middle East for 80 years in all media and movies. Same for Russian people. Listen watch anything. Its racism and demonization.
Yes its not average people, its regime, system, power. Same regime same rulling class that wants only pillage.
medvedev is very probably of german ancestry, your russian history knowledge seems to be lacking.
also yes, you can identify east/west - north/south europeans by physical traits, of course not all of them but for me as a romanian the differences between a pole and a russian are quite evident; or german - italian etc.
Western international oligarchy = Jew and its puppets...
Yes. But many "jews" are just europeans. Look at Rothschilds, Rockefellers. Etc.
The Jew is a race.
Well said the role of the west is often overlooked especially after the AUF victorirs in the north and Kursk in 2023 and 2024.brave Ukrainian soldiers are are being sacrificed for puppets in the Kivy and western warmongers who offer .only some hi tech weapons and words As long as it lasts.Draw the line now Russia will not stop.and the war that should never have been will only end once a Nato false flag bay of Tolkin is fabricated.
The key word here is "allowed."
So nothing that happens in Ukraine is really because it is something that Ukrainians want - it happens because of what some jew wants - in this case, the Kagan / Nuland axis of evil.
Z started out well enough; he campaigned on the basis of a peaceful resolution of the emerging problems; but he was not allowed to pursue his policy.
He rapidly lost all agency in the situation; and switched to simply ensuring that his own future would be financially secure - doubtless egged on in that by his beloved wife - if indeed she is that.
Ukraine’s destruction, and the loss of her finest men, was carved in stone in 2008, when the US foreign policy blob and its NATO vassals declared that the Ukraine would someday become a NATO member. All of the adults in US foreign policy have been warning about Russia’s eventual response to NATO expansion since the 90s, and it was always the Ukraine that was fated to feel the hammer fall. We shoulda stuck to bullying desert rednecks and Afghan mountain goats.
When does a trillion dollar military budget put a country at risk of being defeated by Venezuela? I mean, couldn’t they buy some Yemeni drones and make our carriers R-U-N-N-O-F-T? Again?
The Comedian will likely end up murdered at some point maybe even a decade from now by a parent of a dead soldier, or a soldier, or any other pissed off Ukrainian of which I’m sure there are many.
Hopefully, the inevitable Ukrainian surrender will be accelerated by these developments, in time to save many Ukrainian lives and what' left of it's electrical system...But with a mad fool like Zelensky, that doesn't seem likely...He'll escape to one of his grand estates when the time comes....
The coup will be first
He is certainly trying to prepare for that exit, but I doubt his ultimate success - I think his nazi handlers will see to his final end.
He knows too much. Plus, all his ACTUAL war-crimes might well catch up to him, and that would absolutely panic his handlers.
Agreed. They don’t even have to be careful or creative in killing him, because they will blame it on Putin anyway. And if you think they’ve been chomping at the bit to seize Russian assets, wait till you see how fast Zelensky’s wealth is liberated. I’d say that’s why they have resisted even feeble attempts to track funds stolen by Z, because they don’t want anyone to know how much they’ve planning to walk away with.
stop your jew programmed "nazi" insults. THIS IS A JEW WAR - like most all wars.
Its not Zelensky, its western attack and colonial war against Russian nation
Stop blaimig this puppet who has literally 0 power and is always on drugs, puppet doll controlled by London Brussel Washington.
On the one hand he knows too much, he has stolen billions,.which could be easily proven. Look at the Duke of York case. Dont underestimate the empire's ability to sacrifice some pawns to save the handlers.
China’s hand is everywhere
Brilliant and exhaustive analysis as usual. Thank you.
zelensky could claim defeat and step down... is he man enough to do it?? the answer is NO... instead he will watch more ukrainians die.. he doesn't see to care one bit..
Zelenskyy is nothing more than a petulant, spoiled child. Not once has he given one iota of a shit for his countrymen. Personally I hope he gets Mussolini'ed.
Highly likely.
"Personally I hope he gets Mussolini'ed."
And I hope that he will get a fair trial and, when found guilty, punished in a civilized way.
Is this the same type of civilized punishment that murderer, rapists and child molesters get in most Western "democracies?" If so, screw that. No need for a trial, fair or not. His execution needs to be slow, painful and public.
I'm absolutely in favor of the death penalty for certain crimes, but let's keep it civilized.
"I hope he gets a fair trial" - unlike any enemy of the jew, see nuremberg kangaroo court
Zelensky is not in control of ANYTHING. Ukraine is run by USA UK EU.
HE HAS 0 POWER. Stop blaming puppet whos children are hostages in London.
did i say he was in control of anything ( other then the media circus)? agree with you here...
So Ropcke has officially his role as a journalist is not to report facts on the ground, but not to report them if it happens to confirm the facts favourable to the Russian side. 😉
He wasn't quite convincing, was he? Of course Zelensky has threatened any journalists who took Putin's offer, too. Score one for Putin on that.
Battle of Lysychansk/Severodontesk (population 200,000) happened in 2022. An interesting urban combat as it combined DPR/Wagner/Chechyan infantry with Russian air and Special Ops.
Not just that one, he said "cities larger than Avdeevka", but even just Rubezhne next to Severodonetsk/Lisichansk was also twice the size of Avdeevka.
Plus, of course, Kherson, Berdyansk, and Melitopol, all 100K+ cities, were also taken. Largely without a fight.
And not just those -- Bucha was bigger than Avdeevka, Energodar. Khakhovka/Nova Khakhovka, and Izyum too, and so was the completely forgotten in the history of the war Konotop, which was surrendered by the mayor through negotiations.
Right before the 5D-chess grandmaster did his goodwill gestures, the Russian army held Konotop, had Chernigov fully surrounded, stood on three sides of Kiev, and with a little bit more effort would have had Sumy city fully surrounded too. And then the order to pull out came.
For which how many thousands of Russian civilians ended up paying with their lives? Will anyone remember that?
No. If Russia wins they will write the History and conceal how many died.
If, by an chance, Ukraine survives and continue to exist, they and West will write the History. It will then take another 30-60 years to dissect and make revisions of the official story.
There were no goodwill gestures. Ukraine retreated and reorganized to defensible lines, there was no more progress to be had without risking disaster. That force outside of Kiev was a sitting duck, supply lines harried, low on ammo, food and fuel. Russia had to pull back at that point.
The whole point of the initial push was to sidestep the hardened Donbass defenses and capture a corridor to the Dnieper to insure Crimea was defendable. Taking out Mariupol was a must as that was the NATO command center for taking Crimea. Russia never planned to take the entirety of Ukraine as that was completely impossible. Had they tried, the Russian Army would have gotten smacked, leading to Putin's ouster, which was NATO's goal when they lured Russia into the invasion in the first place.
Most the cities you name fell with minimal fighting as the Ukrainian's didn't have a solid defense line in the south, the hope was Russia would drive into the teeth of the defenses along the Donbass, Avdeevka/Donesk Airport region being the heart of that.
Other important fortress cities, though smaller that were taken later, like Ugledor, Chosif Yar, Soledar and Poposna were taken in 2023 and 2024. Chosif Yar was another NATO command center with crazy terrain and underground structures, a tough nut to crack.
There were no goodwill gestures, that is just part of the overall fog of war/propogandist battle. The Russian Military which is oft overestimated never had the ability to hold everything they grabbed in the initial invasion. They kept what they needed to keep, the big nuclear plant, a corridor in front of Crimea, the Crimean Canal, and some positions that flanked the heart of the Ukrainian defense.
Both could be truth. You have accurately described the hard reality. Still, an offer to negotiate could have led Ukrainians to start serious talks.
But distrust was sky high,
So Putin offered retreat a sign of a goodwill, but both Russians and Ukrainians knew it was a forced move, an inevitable tactical decision.
Ukrainian missed the chance to really confront Russian in talks - just like they missed the chance before the war, believing firmly that West will provide help.
Once the war is over, one will definitely have to admit that, at every stage, Putin did all he could to negotiate and save Russia from war. But he never gave up on the most important strategic goals.
Again with the excuses rather than reasons.
Ukraine mobilized immediately, why didn't Putin?
Why no decapitation? It would have been most effective in those early days?
Why no red line enforcement with respect to NATO involvement? That too would have been most effective early on. The West evacuated all embassies initially, i.e. they were afraid at the time.
Two things I never understood is why no decapitation and blow up/take over media. Those are two things US always does which destroys leadership and controls minds making conquering army easier. We're not good with insurgency that results sometimes but taking over a country US does well. Like if US fought Ukraine Zelensky and Rada woulda been a grease spot in 24 hrs and media broadcasts broadcasting how army quit (after we gave each general a few million dollars and US passports)
Putin seems to want to do things the hard way. House to house trench to trench. Guess that's one way to denazify though.
It hasn’t been done for two reasons
1) Once it’s done there can be no deal. And the Russian oligarchy wants a deal, not a victory. In fact victory is a mortal threat to them even in the abstract because there current position is rooted in the defeat of the Cold War
2) It open the Russian elites to retaliatory strikes, and they don't want to take that risk, no matter how minimal it is.
Neither of these are good reasons, they are monstrous reasons in fact, because it is because of them that hundreds of thousands that didn't have to die were slaughtered.
But if you are not allowed to ever bring them up, and they are a taboo topic in official internal Russian discourse, you can easily get away with it.
How are oligarchs positions rooted in defeat? So do you mean if Russia victory they'd lose their companies? How? They own the shares still whether Russia wins or loses. I just think Putin is a Europhile and dreams of being invited to the cool kids table in West again. He'd much prefer toasting champaign with the likes of Macron and Trump than Xi and Modi. I;ve known many Russians like this they can't shake it. All their lives grew up with images of grass is greener in West.
Obviously if Putin went full Stalin he'd never be welcome. His primary goal seems to be trading and get ICC warrant lifted so he's invited to European capitals again so needs a deal.
FYI Russia is still conducting a military operation in Ukraine, no mobilization is required until an official war declaration or an event where a total war is eminent.
Once again, that is an excuse, not a reason.
Declare war and mobilize, what is to stop you if you are Putin?
You act as if a war declaration is necessary and mobilization is required right now. It is not, look at the state of the front lines, why would you mobilize a ton of folks and bulldoze your way into the Donbass? I mean coming from you it seems you would not mind the death of many thousands of more Russians in a very short time span.
The way modern wars are fought is much different today than in the 20th century.
"There were no goodwill gestures. Ukraine retreated and reorganized to defensible lines, there was no more progress to be had without risking disaster. That force outside of Kiev was a sitting duck, supply lines harried, low on ammo, food and fuel. Russia had to pull back at that point."
If we take that as granted, that was some piss-poor planning on the part of Russia.
A good week for Russia no doubt. Surprising how many people here think Zelensky will have some decisive role in what follows or that Ukrainian interests are in any way being considered. Meanwhile the Pentagon has said the US has plenty of Tomahawks to send to Ukraine. Putin said any long range strikes would lead to an overwhelming response, didn't he? Mark Sleboda says they'd be "no big deal" and would not draw a response at all. I'm guessing we'll find out the truth before long.
I took Mark to mean they would be no big deal operationally. Politically it would be a huge deal and probably the end of Ukraine as a state (to quote Luka).
He did say they’d be no big deal operationally for sure, but I think he went on to say that Putin and the Russian decision-making team, with ice in their veins, would take no step to broaden the war or move it off what he regards as its preordained channels. Of course he doesn’t speak for Putin, but I think he thinks there will be no significant response, purely business as usual.
Pretty sure that’s the interpretation NATO is reaching.
The obvious response is gifting anti-shipping missiles to Caracas.
Of course they'll need Russian crews, but I am sure there'll be no shortage of volunteers
They should be doing that now.
They might be. Lots of large transport deliveries lately.
Here’s hoping. It would be out of character for Putin, though, as I read the man.
I don't think Russia really wants to emulate the US and get involved in proxy wars all over the world, especially in the western hemisphere.
Even if they did, their resources are not unlimited. They also understand that the war in Ukraine is really just part of a larger, ongoing US + NATO war on Russia, and new fronts may arise around Russia's borders.
That guy. Wide words.
Makes a lot of sense.
I am thinking something more like the Soviet engagement in Vietnam and Korea, than the US involvement in Vietnam.
Yeah, maybe something like that is possible and I understand the desire for it. I tend to think significant military support at a scale big enough to matter is highly unlikely because (1) the distance from Russia and logistics involved. Venezuela is not within Russia's primary area of major influence, nor is it the area of immediate concern for their own security needs (such as Ukraine and Georgia). And (2) USSR was not engaged in a major and existential war of its own at the times of the US wars of choice in Korea and Vietnam. So, very limited resources to spare now with US and NATO showing no signs of wanting to de-escalate.
I don't want to see people build up their hopes and expectations that Russia will ride to the rescue and save Venezuela from US aggression. And then when those unrealistic expectations are not realized, they claim "Putin betrayed Venezuela!".
The US seems to plan to attack Venezuela, Russia's largest trading partner in the Americas. This will make sanctions more effective and harm Russia financially as well as removing an ally. I wasn't suggesting mere meddling. Rather, like Iran, this is another of those new fronts that is arising in the larger war. It is also, crucially, a front that might involve some Americans dying, which I firmly believe will be necessary to curb US bloodthirst.
Read somewhere that actually providing tomahawks would be the apex of the escalation ladder for the US so first it’s not likely, second it would signify total desperation to climb that high, and most importantly the tomahawks can’t be supplied in quantity enough to do anything but score hits on undefended targets so Russia would absorb the hits and continue on their way to the total annihilation of Ukraine. The outcome is ordained - unless there is a coup followed by total surrender there will be no ukraine, only a landlocked rump state.
Not buying the first part, but agree that there will be no Ukraine left. Really there isn’t one now, if by that you mean a state with any degree of sovereignty.
What could the US threaten Russia with realistically after tomahawks? US boots on the ground? Sinking Russia's navy or merchant fleet? F35s?
Continuing. The threat is never-ending war on all fronts: informational, geopolitical and military. We are currently bombing Russia regularly right now even as we speak. Our vassals are all but declaring war. France detained a merchant ship last month and the EU or NATO have repeatedly spoken about doing that systematically. We are attacking Russian allies and building hostile alliances, fomenting unrest in the Caucasus. I’ve probably forgotten several other things.
Would YOU trust the West not to either slip in a nuke warhead on one or two heading to Moscow, or to 'hand them to Elensky' to launch?
Most Toms will certainly be shot down, and without much fuss - but with a nuke warhead buried in a drone swarm...
Would Western leaders be so stupid and suicidal? What - Schmertz, Starver, Micron?
And the US has ALWAYS had its Jack D Rippers in the Pentagon.
I would personally not trust them, and I don't think the Russian military has the option to trust them under ordinary circumstances.
The West is morally prepared to use nukes on Russians.
I have no doubts they are going to do that.
On several occasions, they have almost decided to nuke Western cities themselves in their mad schemes. London has been particularly mentioned as a target, 3 times that I know of alone.
The idea of dropping them onto other populations is hardly to fill them with less glee.
I suppose for the less-wealthy political class, it's a game of musical chairs as to who will get the bunker space, when you consider it.
Someone told me above to be more "realpolitic", :shrug:.
Trump has no intention of supplying tomahawks to Ukraine...it's all talk to appease delusional neo-cons and NATO diehards. With Trump's past problems with Russiagate he has to be cautious about being seen as pro-Putin, he'll drag out the process but never deliver. When Russia has boots on the ground in the entirety of the Donbas, the war will end. IMO that was the agreement made in Alaska but it was more of a Russian dictate because the US can't prevent that in any case. It was an agreement on the inevitable reality.
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I like a comment I can disagree with 100%. :) I suspect Tomahawks are already in Ukraine or soon will be and don’t expect the war to end… ever? At some point the government of Ukraine will have to move abroad, but guerilla warfare will continue. That’s my prediction.
Do you think the US has transferred the land based launchers from the Phillipines or Japan?
I don’t know. Above my pay grade. But I have heard that they were working on some alternatives, including having Ukraine build some sort of launching devices.
there are examples of using shipping containers. the question is what does russia hit in response? every "western"contractor should be eliminated...
I think so. I guess it's one of my more extreme positions, but WHY are they being allowed to receive any western shipping containers at all at this point? It has been within Russia's power to eliminate them all since the beginning of the war.
What sources re tomahawks in Ukraine? Last I heard the launchers were either the US Army's massive 4 barrel behemoth that's very difficult to move and hide or alternatively the US marines launcher that is just being integrated into their force structure and not due for completion till around 2028.
See Dhdh's comment, but I can't name the sources I first read about. Here's something that may be happening, or may have happened: https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/ausa-2025-oshkosh-x-mav-mobile-tomahawk-launcher-highlights-future-options-for-ukraine
I just figure that when a problem is presented, a solution is usually found. Especially when there are billions of dollars up for grabs.
"Guerilla warfare" is another cope. The one thing every successful insurgency has in common is a young population and the population of Ukraine is not young.
I didn't say it would be successful, but what are you going to do with 100,000 well-armed banderites if the state of Ukraine is eliminated? I expect them to keep fighting until destroyed.
This assumes that there are that many people motivated to keep fighting. As I said, guerilla warfare is a young man's game.
You’re right. I do assume that. Are you assuming that well-armed thugs who have spent the last three years or more killing people and are tattooed from head to toe with nazi insignia are going to become peace loving? When the US is sending them money and weapons to keep doing what they’ve been doing?
And a lot of the young ones who were there have already emigrated to the West where they perceive better options in life.
It seems weird that Ukie conscription laws have so far avoided the younger people, ages 18-25. The "draft" in the US in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam focused on that age group first and foremost. Easier to propagandize the young ones into hating the "gooks" or the "Huns". Plus they are young and energetic. The Ukies conscripting old people seems really unusual.
The whole point of Maidan was being allowed to emigrate.
Open borders stuff I guess. "Our Democracy". But it is just so weird that so many analysts just accept that it is somehow normal that Ukies freely conscript old people, but it is a big deal if they change a law to allow for conscription of 18-25 year olds. Every succesful army in the history of the world has conscripted 18-25 year olds instead of 40-60 year olds. .
There's no way now that Russia will stop before Odessa is in their hands. Or else the next announcement of the restarted war will be the mass naval drone on Russia's Black Sea fleet.
hope so
zion don is the ultimate jew carnival barker - he is a delusional neo-cons and NATO diehard because the jew runs him.
did you see the meeting in israel - just 2 jews who have american passports talking to 2 jews that live in "israel"
The pentagon did not say that. Certain 'european officials' et al 'in the know'! said that the Pentagon said that. The info was a Ukrainian plant to shame Trump into stumping up weaponry the US cannot afford to burn up in this lost war.
You could be right, but the headlines are full of the news: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/31/politics/pentagon-tomahawks-trump-ukraine
Be careful how you read the lurid headlines designed to keep Ukraine fighting now an imminent surrender-chaotic collapse is a very real and immediate risk.
There are many stories, all quoting the CNN article I just linked, saying that three European and American sources etc., all interpreting the facts as I did. Of course it could be a lie, but I don’t think it is. Tomahawks are not an important weapon, and it hardly matters how many we have.
I think there is no possibility of surrender any time soon and that chaotic collapse is entirely unlikely any time soon. Ukraine will keep fighting.
It is never a lie so much as a crafted shaping of certain mundane facts into something of an 'announcement'. For example:
Is it true that the US is short of tomahawks?
I would not say 'short'.
Public announcement- Pentagon says US has plenty of Ts to spare.
Actual statement- the Pentagon cannot tell the president what weapons to put where. It is always his decision.
public announcement: Trump will be sending Ts to Ukraine because he can. No restraints.
You get the drift.
Honestly, Elena. This is how it goes, all the time.
As I said, I think he’s already sent them and that they are not important weapons so there are, in fact, plenty to spare. The Russians are certainly not worried about the capabilities of the Tomahawks, nor should they be - with the exception that they might carry nuclear warheads.
I know some people think various people and entities are trying to persuade Trump, against his better judgment, to send Ukraine stuff. I don’t buy any of that. I’ve never seen him refuse to send a weapon requested, and all the background noise is just noise. The people requesting the weapons - the ones who count - are not Zelensky but US operatives on the ground.
After the Kursk debacle Ukraine was a spent force. Since then there has only been the single instance of them getting any initiative at all on the LOC. That was north of Pokrovsk and after they concentrated forces to block the Russians there the front collapses everywhere else. It's going to be interesting to see just how far this situation can play out before the West finally concedes. It could be quite a while.
"It could be quite a while."
Or not. 😉
It could be never.
That's the funny thing about the future. We don't really know do we? It really aggravates some, but others it embues them with an understanding of the infinite nature of possibilities.
Yeah. Sometimes it seems that people think they do know the future. :) In this war it’s plenty hard to get a good idea of what has already happened.
Neils Bohr once remarked, "It's really difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future."
One thought that crossed my mind, assuming I have the sequence of events accurate:
There was a "bunny ears" advance that Russia made a while back. It held for several months as Ukraine launched attack after attack at it. From the maps I've seen, the bunny ears were retaken by Ukraine, with an orderly Russian retreat. During the month or two that it took Ukraine to take at least the ears of the bunny, Russian troops have made advances ALL ALONG THE LINE OF COMBAT. Well except for the bunny ears combat area, where Russia allowed Ukraine to get their very expensive PR victory.
If I understand this article, the Russian general in charge of this area is getting fired? Up until now I was thinking he did exactly what he was supposed to do. Tie down elite Ukrainian ground forces and kill as many of them as possible.
This was mere rumor from Ukrainian side and is likely fake, but we'll see: https://x.com/moklasen/status/1984738397097807976
"There was a "bunny ears" advance that Russia made a while back. It held for several months as Ukraine launched attack after attack at it. From the maps I've seen, the bunny ears were retaken by Ukraine, with an orderly Russian retreat. During the month or two that it took Ukraine to take at least the ears of the bunny, Russian troops have made advances ALL ALONG THE LINE OF COMBAT. Well except for the bunny ears combat area, where Russia allowed Ukraine to get their very expensive PR victory."
The thing to understand about those "bunny ears" shown on maps is that maps which show crisp lines of any kind are lies if you take them literally. It's not that kind of war.
This war is not about crisp front lines. It's about zones where for large areas, way larger than those "bunny ears" shown on maps, the zones have very mixed, constantly changing ratios of influence (it's naive to call it "control") by one side or the other. This war is being fought as the Russian surveillance-fire complex understanding of war that was widely discussed and committed to over 20 years ago predicted it would be.
That's a highly diffuse war where very small groups combine, dissolve, move around and then at times focus on the fly. The best that maps which show fixed areas of control can do is purport to represent where one side or the other seems to have a higher degree of influence. If you really wanted to capture more of reality in maps, you'd draw maps with diffuse sprays of paint where deeper on one side you'd have denser color for one side and on the other side you'd have denser color for that side, and in between you'd have a range of combinations of color over a very wide region that indicates the fluid intermixing of both sides in what is conventionally called a "gray zone."
The other hall mark of the Russian surveillance-fire complex is the fluidity of the force concentrations. Trying to pin down Russian forces who are working that system is like trying to nail jelly to a tree. Can't do it. And that's part of Russia's success in this war. Russian forces concentrate where they sense Kiev's forces are weak, they make progress in that area and then they consolidate with higher concentrations and more influence. But they don't hesitate to avoid breaking their heads on too-hard concentrations of the enemy when they can go around and strike weaker positions.
That presents Kiev with a "whack a mole" problem where they have to keep repositioning their forces to deal with pressure where Russia chooses to apply it, and then when they concentrate their forces onto what they think is too great concentration of Russian influence they discover the Russian forces have moved to strike where Kiev has reduced its forces.
That's exactly what happened with the "bunny ears". Kiev went chasing evanescent concentrations of influence and had their legs cut out from them in places from which they withdrew reserves.
I am kind of aware of the diffuse nature of the location of actual combat troops. I always wondered how many Russian troops there really were in the bunny ears, if any.
I hear what you are saying about troops moving around a lot. But it seems to me that there has to be some building or hole or something where they sleep and store stuff and just hang out. My belief is that these are static areas, temporary homes so to speak.
I think there always were Russians in the bunny ears because the Ukrainians were always trying to launch counter attacks to surround the tops of the bunny ears. If there were no Russians there, it would make less sense for Ukraine to launch such attacks.
The line of forces from daily maps seemed to finally show Russia retreating from the tops of the bunny ears, with Ukrainian forces moving in from the north. Not a situation of units being surrounded, but units that accomplished their purpose, now they were retreating to more defensible locations and possibly rotated out for rest and recuperation.
What DOES seems to have happened is: Russia gained some territory in the bunny ears area, Ukraine sent elite units from other front to push Russia back, in the time that it took Ukraine to finally push the Russians out of the bunny ears, Russia took advantage of weaker Ukrainian lines (units relocated to the bunny ears attacks) to gain orders of magnitude more territory than the territory of the bunny ears.
It’s great that Russia is making advances and is now within striking distance of the very territory that they lost 3 years ago, but IIRC the bunny ears were presented here as the umpteenth indicator that Ukraine was collapsing and that Odessa was next. So what is it? Is it strategically crucial territory or is it just another PR victory? You can’t have it both and that is what skeptics like myself on here take issue with. If Russia captures terrain it is always vital, but if Ukraine recaptures it, it was never that important to begin with. And if we dare to point out the inconsistencies as hopium and copium we are labelled nafo trolls or anti-Russian, in the exact same way all of us here would be labelled Putin lovers by the shitlibs and empire fanbois on any msm outlet. No engagement with the arguments but ad hominems and accusing people of being on the payroll of some foreign entity.
2 years ago the Russians were no where near Lyman, Kupiansk, or the towns they are taking in the south. Over time, steady noticeable progress. It is looking more and more like heavy NATO boots on the ground will be needed to possibly stop Russia SOMEWHERE.
There are lots of discussions about why Russia is advancing so slowly. All that we can know for sure is: so far, Russia has persisted in advancing slowly, and US/NATO/Ukraine has persisted in failing to prevent this.
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Very true, George. Things haven't been the same since the Russian smashed their slave chains and rose up to challenge their Masters. Now we have the Chinese slapping the Emperor around with rare earth gloves demanding a duel at 20 paces. The Empire sailed past the Persian Gulf through Bab-El-Mandeb and all the way to Venezuela. Now if they don't send Venezuela back to the stone age they will look weak. Perhaps they are weak and the ghost of Simon Bolivar will walk the bridge of the USS Harry Ford and prized F15s will start dropping into the Carribbean.
The West isnt an Empire and never had any Emperor. The west is a colonial oligarchy pirates and bandits. Literally band of animals and parasitic oligarhs.
"a colonial oligarchy pirates and bandits. Literally band of animals and parasitic oligarhs"
Exactly.
I wonder what will come of Venezuela's plea for military help from China, Russia and Iran.
Russian military transport planes have been visiting Caracas. And using smoke screens etc to shield activities.....
There is a growing contrast between the collapse in effectiveness of frontline defense, and the efficacy of strategic strikes. Ukrainian energy and infrastructure strikes do not appear to be subsiding, and the Russians don't have much of an answer. Yet.